COVID takes younger, healthier victims
(CNS): Nine people who were positive for COVID-19 have now died, and unconfirmed information trickling into the public domain via social media, together with revelations made in Parliament suggest that at least three unvaccinated people under the age of 60 with no previous serious health conditions have now succumbed to COVID.
Another two people died over the weekend, including one unvaccinated woman who was only 48 years old. There are currently 15 people admitted to hospital who have tested positive for COVID-19 but no other details have been released by officials about those patients.
As of 8am Monday there were still a significant number of people with SARS-CoV-2 in Cayman after another 127 people tested positive over the weekend, including two travellers.
There are currently 3,656 active cases, eleven of them on Cayman Brac, though there were no new reported cases over the weekend on the Sister Islands. 4,309 people are presently in isolation or quarantine.
According to Public Health figures on vaccinations, as at 8am Monday, 6 December, 58,273 people (82% of the population) have had at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine and 56,311 individuals (79%) have completed the two-dose course. 12,522 people (18%) have received a third or booster shot.
Speaking in Parliament on Friday night, Premier Wayne Panton defended the PACT Government’s management of the pandemic following criticism from the opposition and reassured the community that they were being cautious and not mismanaging the situation.
He pointed out, once again, that the advisors who were guiding PACT were the same ones who had helped the previous administration, and the government was focused on protecting lives and livelihoods. He said PACT was not taking unnecessary chances and the community outbreak likely happened because of people breaching quarantine due to complacency after being so long without the virus.
Panton also said that many of the challenges surrounding Travel Cayman and Public Health were being ironed out as the government works through the reopening phases.
The premier denied any negligence and promised that the government would remain cautious and continue to monitor the situation.
He revealed that one of the first cases of what has been described as a real COVID death, which is someone who would not have died if they had not been infected, was his aunt. He said she had not been vaccinated, despite his best efforts to persuade her to do so, as well as the efforts of her family, and he urged people to get vaccinated.
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Wayne please stop blaming the community spread on complacency of the people! You and your government implemented a five day quarantine with NO tracking device…did you think that suddenly people would not breach quarantine? They were breaching when they had a tracking device!!! so what da hell were you thinking they would do without one?!?! Man up and take responsibility…the community spread and resulting mess happened on your watch – YOU have mishandled the entire situation with your so called “Plan”. Please hush ya mouth about “complacency” and own your mess!
Yes Wayne; we all know that the advisors of PACT were also the advisers to the previous Government. But Wayne needs to come to terms with is that it takes a certain kind of Leader to figure out what parts of that advice is best for the Country and what needs to be put aside; it takes a certain kind of Leader to have the backbone to say “no” to that advice where necessary; and it takes a certain kind of Leader to lead!! Don’t think I need to say more than that!
The only number that matters is deaths among the vaccinated. Life cannot be put on hold for the stupid or Fox News viewers, two groups that heavily intersect.
Do you think you are smart because you watch CNN?
Yes. Far more than Fox “Not” News.
You could watch two rocks marching at each other and be smarter for it.
Gov’t seemed to skip right over the weekend numbers.
Some of us are interested in that sort of thing.
Cases are falling which is good but still important not to miss 3 days of data.
I went for my booster in Camana Bay today, as expected 200 plus people queuing early before it opened, largely expats and educated caymanians. But behind me was one guy coming for his first dose (Jamaican construction worker), I could hear him explaining to the woman as he got his form, – was shocked there are people here in first dose. then when we got to the door he left. Scared. I persuaded him to come back and he got it in the end. So sad… people are scared of a harmless vaccine and will die young and healthy as a result. Glad this one will live long, but we will have many more deaths in cayman. All because they wouldn’t take a Pfizer jab as harmless as an Advil tablet.
Mr Premier make it mandatory for all indoor workers civic service and private businesses,to wear their face masks, and to get vaccined and no eating/drinking while they are checking out customers. In the Brac they do it all time. Whats being done about the expats that wont take the Vaccine?, is their work permit being taking away and being sent home ?
“The ministry has said it is not releasing personal information on those who have died of COVID, including their age or whether they have been vaccinated.”
Anyone care to guess why?
I support the Ministry’s decision
3;34 pm, you are a big fool
info should never have been disclosed in the first place.
waynes video message after the first local death was absurd.
many, many old, sick and unvaxxed people will die from/ or with covid. no escaping that. al we can hope for is that our deathr ate is better than other similar juristictions….which it is.
You just disclosed the reason why the information was not provided: The information likely doesn’t support the common narrative.
Not that it matters, at least to those who are still trying — against all odds — to pull together with ALL peoples of the Cayman Islands.
The ‘common narrative’ being vaccine conspiracy and cabal narrative. I agree, I imagine the data supports vaccine mandates and airport opening making no difference. Same as every other place in the world,
You sound angry. I’m sorry about that.
If all the information are publicized about the death from/with Covid the age and if they was vaccined or not maybe more people will take the Vaccine and wear their masjs all the time indoors.
You sound like you voted for Biden, I’m sorry about that
that’s why you’re so angry, you are one of those Trump Snowflakes that can’t stand losing, and just whine all the time
Biden snowflakes spent 4 years whining about losing the election when Trump won in 2016.
Because that data is concerning namely younger victims with limited to no pre-conditions. This would take away the arguments that many silly people use.
It would add fuel to the fire for those concerned about the reopening.
And it makes me sick to hear “He pointed out, once again, that the advisors who were guiding PACT were the same ones who had helped the previous administration”. A plan is a plan is a plan BUT EXECUTION IS EVERYTHING!!!
It’s like sending John John into a ring with a “PLAN” and his opponent has the same “PLAN” but he is Mike Tyson. Now THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME PLAN is one better equiped to execute the plan better?? So its a silly statement.
Because they are all unvaccinated I guess
Try again
Because I KNOW they are all unvaccinated
Probably but not guaranteed
Social distancing is not enforced, crowded xmas parties are in full swing. We are creating the right environment for break through cases.
The whole point of the vaccinations is that we can get back to normal and do these things. We can’t social distance and mask up forever!
You’re missing the whole point of management of a global pandemic with a mutating virus. Vaccinations alone are ineffective without the other scientifically proven measures such as masks, social distancing, good hygiene, and isolations and limits on capacities. The normal you desire is gone, and the future of a return to anything close to it with this “let’s get back to it” thought process excluding all of the measures to protect people is a fantasy.
Agree. “Normal” is toast. That doesn’t mean that we can’t collectively create something much, much better.
What is much better? Walking around with masks, and having our movements tracked and restricted with QR codes? Doesn’t sound much better to me.
NO NO NO. Damn I hate when silly people lower our collective IQ with these kinds of comments.
Ok. Do you know that even if you are vaccinated that you can still catch Covid?
Do you know that you can still pass it on?
Do you know that everytime Covid passes from one host to anther it has a chance to mutate?
Do you know you can catch Covid more than once?
Do you know you can catch the various variants of covid also?
Do you realise you can, by your stupid actions, actually cause someone’s death?
Vaccinations are not your greenlight to “get back to normal”. It’s your effort to stay out of a grave.
There are two core things getting a vaccination does:
1. Lowers your chance of catching covid by 90% or greater.
2. Lowers your chance after catching covid of you becoming seriously ill or dying.
Beyond this…
People who are vaccinated tend to loose virus load faster than unvaccinated means you become cleaner quicker.
Also, you will have more resistance to other strains of the virus as they share many of the same traits.
FINAL NOTE: No vaccine in the history of man was ever 100%. The only 100% with this is locking yourself away from everyone until you die. We can only do the things we can like washing hands, wearing a mask and getting vaccinated to MITIGATE the risk.
Great comment!
Why the obession in the US media with “break through cases”, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding as to how the vaccines work.
?…what is a break through case?
no-one under 7 who is vaxxed and healthy will die.
this is a pandemic of the unvaxxed by their own choice. lock them down.
Maybe even round them up and house them on a work farm for Christmas, hey? I mean, they are lesser citizens in your eyes, right? You disgust me. I wonder if you’ve ever done even a modicum of research in vetted medical reports. It ISN’T a done deal. Just VAERS alone should give you pause, but no, people like you are SO SO superior. You aren’t happy with making your own choice. Nope. That’s not enough for the likes of you. In the wee hours, you are scared of your choice and desperately want to force everyone else to be in the same boat.
Well, suck it up buttercup. History is going to judge us all, and those that adapt and remain kind to their people are going to shine. How will it report you and your ilk?
History will say you were wrong
Stop your foolishness and get vaccinated. Your stupidity disgusts me.
I am fully vaccinated. I had no choice. I doubt you can spar with me in the realm of vetted medical reporting.
I bet you’re another armchair expert that believes they can competently ‘research’ medical and other scientific data without the slightest idea of what they are looking at.
The basic knowledge is out there for all to see, we don’t need swivel eyed conspiracy theorists with nothing more than a high school basic education, (if that) telling the rest of us that the science is wrong.
Vaccines work, there is far too much evidence out there now to dispute the fact that they prevent serious illness and death in the vast majority of the worlds population.
Deny it all you like, but objective scientific fact beats subjective opinion everytime.
Personally, I couldn’t give a damn whether you have the jab or not, it’s your choice and I have my protection. But don’t think you can take my freedom to live my life because you want to hide behind lockdowns and other punitive measures to avoid being vaccinated.
COVID is here to stay, if you want to hide, do it on your time, otherwise learn to live with it and stop being so bitter.
Anything one person can learn and understand, another can learn and understand if they have the will and perseverance to do so. Have you had the will, or just parroted talking points? I hope you have actually delved deeply into real medical reports. I suggest the Lancet as a starting point. That will carry you quite a distance.
Unlike you, I am not an expert. I am an independent thinker.
At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I will tell you that I don’t give a shit about your freedom. It is in your control, not mine. Nothing I can or will do will influence it. You have to have the stones to steer your own ship.
I am not hiding. I am fully vaccinated. I can’t stand people who persecute others based upon their opinions, rather than genuine research. I live as I want to.
I think you are right. Mind your own business and stop dictating to us how to live. Covid is here to stay and every individual has already decided on how to live with it already.
Grow up. If unvaxed you should be locked at home. Please get some common sense
For whose sake would you lock anyone down? I assumed you were fully vaxxed.
Are you ok dear?
Did you miss an appointment, or was the pharmacy closed?
It’s not just about dying. Unfortunately, you are not privy to the number of patients who have survived Covid but with long-term and serious respiratory damage, some of them fully vaccinated. You are also not privy to the unreported number of fully-vaccinated people not admitted to hospital but who attend as out-patients on a regular basis for respiratory support.
It’s actually a pandemic of the selfish and greedy. Selfish people and businesses that close to ignore science for profits and “freedom” and the same greedy business community and global pharmaceutical companies who are making obscene profits
A bold prediction from a CNS virologist, idiot!
Pandemic of the unvaxxed?
Hahhahahha hahaha.
Aaah…
Breakthrough is simply someone vaccinated catching Covid and this is already documented.
“no-one under 7 who is vaxxed and healthy will die.” – No one under 7 is vaccinated now. This is a weird prediction when no one even knows how this will work because it is not even being done.
“this is a pandemic of the unvaxxed by their own choice. lock them down.” I semi agree with this. The lock them down part not so much but I am starting to lean this way.
Social distancing is not enforced in the most countries. It is so 2020
We are ready and waiting for a huge spike. Let’s set the table shall we.
1. Weather in the US is now cooling and flu season setting in.
2. Cayman is now cooling and our flu season setting in.
3. Omicron now all about the US and is almost twice as infectious as Delta.
4. Christmas parties and family gatherings about to start.
5. More tourist will be coming in with Covid who will walk right into Cayman.
6. Yeah Cruiseship arrival. Covid of the Seas docs on Dec 28th
Whatever could go wrong?? Mr Lee you still want to talk about decline?
US 7 day avg cases was 72k on Nov 27th but is now 119k as of Dec 7th. That’s a 65% spike in 10 days.
Like I said, whatever could go wrong?
On the subject of Covid, bars and Christmas parties:
“Most striking, however, has been the outbreak linked to a Christmas dinner at Oslo’s Louise nightclub. There were 130 Covid cases recorded from the event, with Norwegian media quoting Tine Ravlo, an infection control doctor, suggesting that perhaps half could be Omicron.
The club had been booked by Scatec, a renewable-energy company, for its Christmas party, despite the fact that only vaccinated employees were invited and had been required to take a rapid Covid test the day before.”
11:51
How many died?
we should find out in 3-4 weeks
We already knew that Omicron was not detectable using some FLTs. Now it seems that a new version of Omicron cannot be detected by PCR tests:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/scientists-find-stealth-version-of-omicron-not-identifiable-with-pcr-test-covid-variant
The article states COVID-19 is still detected and I quote “The variant is still detected as coronavirus by all the usual tests, and can be identified as the Omicron variant through genomic testing, but probable cases are not flagged up by routine PCR tests that give quicker results.” It was about identifying the variant, not about detecting COVID-19.
@9:34am. There is absolutely nothing wrong with homeschooling your child if that is your choice. It is done every day but you need to go through the proper protocols and approvals. many parents have been doing this for years long before covid.
Locking up every one of our kids until the pandemic ends is moronic and stupid on your part. Our kids are the only ones that cannot be vaccinated so it is up to us the parents to do right by them and get vaccinated ourselves. Luckily for the kids they can handle covid and recover from it much quicker than us adults.
Please go get vaccinated for your children’s benefit if not for your own self.
How does getting vaccinated yourself benefit your children, since they aren’t at risk anyway?
Maybe he/she believes that children are generally better off with a parent present in their lives?
3:03 pm, you are the big fool of the year its amazing how fool human can be.
Doesn’t he mean she probably wouldn’t have died if she had been vaccinated? That’s the entire point of the vaccination, to prevent serious illness and death in all demographics and health statuses.
For a politician to make it sound that being unvaxxed wasn’t the cause of this preventable death is disingenuous at best. Perhaps people will now understand that being unvaccinated is incredibly dangerous for all those who get infected.
I read it quite differently. To me he seemed to have said.
1. It was his aunt
2. She would not have died if not infected by Covid
3. She was unvaccinated
4. All in his family tried to get her to get vaccinated but she refused.
To me that’s insinuating that being unvaccinated lead to her catching and ultimately her demise.
GET VACIINATED and STOP BEING A FOOL or YOU COULD BE NEXT!!!
How many side effects from the jabs were reported by CNS? 30K+? Or this doesn’t matter?
By the way how that teenager is doing who is being treated in Miami hospital?
CNS, can you please provide an update?🙏
Oh FFS. A sore arm and a slight fever with a headache is hardly cause for concern.
THOSE are the side effects! SMH
Sorry you are trying to link people with a sore arm for a couple of days or a low grade fever for a couple of days with being equal to dying from Covid because someone wasn’t vaccinated?
Get real and get vaccinated!
How is it anyone’s business if someone else gets vaxxed? If someone wants to take the risk, take it. None of your damn business.
That is not what the Premier is saying. He is saying that his aunt had no other underlying causes that were made worse by Covid – Covid was the sole cause of her death. He then states that she was not vaccinated, from which we can infer that he believes things might have been different had she been vaccinated against the virus.
Return of cruise ship another brilliant idea. Royal Caribbean ship returns with Covid passengers. https://www.wwltv.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/10-covid-cases-detected-on-cruise-ship-returning-new-orleans/289-f2f46815-24cc-48fb-af3a-fc3a92372a2d
10 out of 3,000 people. Move on.
why take the risk?
What risk? They are all fully vaccinated.
Your numbers are wrong and at least one of the positives had Omicron.
All it takes is one to spread the virus. Try harder and ignore the Q Anon nonsense
Two on one small plane yesterday
In Cayman 5.14% of the people have covid (3656 out of 71065)
On that cruiseship 0.33% have covid (10 out of 3000).
10:25…..can you even read? The article clearly states it was a Norwegian Cruise Line ship. That is NOT a Royal Caribbean ship.
I would just like to take the time to express my deepest condolences to Mr. Premier for the loss of his Aunt. May she rest in peace.
Vaccinated? Nah.
Hope Santa brings you the gift of empathy or Krampus punishes adults this season
Thank you. Could have not said it better.
Bless.
Scientists appear stymied by the low number of infections and deaths in sub-Saharan Africa where the vaccination rate is less than 6%
Africa has 17.46% of the world’s population and 3% of the COVID-19 global death toll while countries with better health care have higher death rates, including the Americas with 46% and Europe with 29%
Nigeria, with the highest population, has had 3,000 deaths in 200 million people, which is what is recorded in the U.S. every two or three days. Yet, Nigeria has announced an all-out vaccination program to “prepare for the next wave”
Factors that may have influenced the low infection and death rate are outdoor living that raises vitamin D levels, a younger population and access to medications and herbs used for other local conditions, but which are also known to reduce the severity of COVID
CNS: There’s an interesting article about this here – Why Are So Few Sick From COVID in Sub-Saharan Africa? – which notes a possible correlation to the prevalence of malaria. Also worth noting, since covid targets the elderly and vulnerable that the life expectancy in sub-Saharan Africa is about 61 versus 81 in Europe and 79 in the US.
Thank you CNS!
Well… I would hate for anyone to think that
the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine works for anything but malaria…
But this was talked about 2 years ago.
CNS: The malaria factor may have been why hydroxychloroquine was looked at, however the drug was studied extensively as a treatment for covid, and as a result, it is not recommended by anyone but Trump and a few fringe elements on Fox News. See Hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19
“Early in the pandemic, hydroxychloroquine was put forward as a potential medicine for the treatment and prevention of COVID-19. While evidence is less clear on the medicine’s ability to prevent COVID-19, recent studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment for COVID-19, and that it may increase the risk of adverse events.”
Note that Trump, as president, very publicly promoted hydroxychloroquine as a preventative and said he, himself, was taking it. Then he got covid and nearly died. And then he quietly got vaccinated.
CNS – your bias is showing. Who said Trump nearly died?
CNS: Inside the extraordinary effort to save Trump from covid-19 – a long read but a good read.
11:17, When ur oxygen level hits 86 you have a serious problem with COVID especially when you are in your 70’s.
Your bias is showing. Get vaccinated.
I have also noticed that CNS is biased against my view that the moon is made of cheese, preferring to believe so-called scientists that claim it is made of space rock.
Perhaps other readers have noticed examples of such bias?
It was said that one of the reasons why the continent of Africa has been able to withstand Covid is because it has had to deal with so many viral illnesses. The people believe in science and they follow the necessary preventative precautions. They have to deal with HIV/AIDS. Ebola and many other viral illnesses including malaria. Africa has some of the best viralogists in the world
I think you are mistaken about your conclusion that African people “believe in the science “—
They have been provided with an abundance of vaccines from other countries, but are asking that they stop sending them because the people refuse to take them.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-20/vaccine-holdouts-in-africa-reject-world-s-route-to-recovery
The reference to the prevalence of malaria is a reference to people having the disease, not the fact that they have been treated with hydroxychloroquinine. Because in sub Saharan Africa precious few people have access to anti malarials. And BTW – you cannot take that drug indefinitely – it does nasty things to your heart and your eyes – usually prescribed as a short to medium term drug for people temporarily in a malarial area, not for residents.
CNS you make it sound like Trump was an anti vaxxer. Wasn’t it Trump as President who started Operation Warp Speed in May of 2020 which funneled US$19B toward six different companies to fast track vax development? And wasn’t it nearly all the Dem Presidential cantidates who said they wouldn’t trust any vaccine being developed under Trump administration? And wasn’t it almost every “real” news outlet that said having a vaccine ready by the end of 2020 completely impossible?
CNS: The Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed that facilitated the development of the vaccine was a huge success. The subsequent rollout of the vaccine not so much. Trump also gave very mixed messages about the vaccine and mask-wearing and promoted untested treatment, which resulted in many Trump followers not taking it.
Fact check: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris distrusted COVID-19 vaccines – short answer: False.
Thank you 9:35 am
The weather there could also play a role.
Generally speaking Flu weather where it thrives is Cold/Dry and Humid/Rainy. The Sahara is a dry heat with relatively low humidity. This is not conducive to outbreaks for flus.
This is not to say that in towns and villages it is not possible, just less probable.
SUB Saharan means below the Sahara. Pretty wide ranging geographical area covering from parts of West Africa (very humid and rainy BTW) to South Africa.
Also, much younger population. Average age in sub-saharan Africa is 18 (partly due to lower life expectancy but also much higher fertility rate). Avg in USA is 38.
Unlike the lower death rate in Africa, scientists appear genuinely stymied by the unwillingness of a significant minority in many rich countries to believe that vaccines are safe and effective, in spite of the growing mountain of evidence before their very eyes, preferring instead to believe in a massive global conspiracy drawing in politicians, medical professionals, reporters, academics and members of the public in their millions claiming to have been vaccinated and yet still be alive.
While some are calling it a pandemic of rank stupidity, critics of the label have pointed out that stupidity is in fact endemic in modern society and strongly correlated with the willingness among some groups to believe absolutely anything a supposed man of the cloth, baselessly claiming to possess divine inspiration and knowledge, tells them.
With this case rate, absent vaccination, there would normally be much higher hospitalization and death figures. These numbers, compared to anywhere else early in the pandemic, really show that vaccination is limiting the severity of cases.
Don’t listen to the “vaccinated can get it too” crowd. Yes, that fact in isolation is true. What they leave out is that vaccination gives your immune system a head start, so it is ready to fight early if you do become infected. That’s what these numbers show.
Agree that we’ve been collectively and statistically very fortunate. We shouldn’t push that luck by putting everyone’s immune health, preparation and vaccination status to the ultimate test, or deliberately risk economic interruptions via thrill-seeking absenteeism. Better that we consider the needs of others, collectively want to try harder to thoughtfully provide everyone non-household their due 6 feet, mask, and not to catch and spread any virus. It’s literally the law, not a choose your own adventure book.
I wish Pact and Panton would go sit down. They have done absolutely nothing to curb the local spread of this disease. That 21 million they are about to throw away on the beach would be well advised to have been spent to cut down the spread immensely. Only dem is the ones patting themselves on the back. When you have been quoted by NY times as top 5 or 10 for covid spread, it’s not a good result. At least the other gov had the cahonies to tackle this thing head on.
Not sure what you want the government to do other than put in place lockdowns and curfews.
We have a high infection rate but extraordinarily low hospital and direct death rates relative to infections.
So we now have 7 new deaths. I am curious at where you would draw the line as to too many Caymanians are dying?
It’s fascinating how deaths from Covid are accepted now. The rapid reaction from government after the first wave of deaths was effective. It now seems as if we are being conditioned to accept Covid deaths as somehow normal. No human life should be sacrificed for the economy, but there are many pro vax and anti vax people who think that it’s just the cost of doing business.
10:12 ,,am we want the PACT government to manatory put in place everyone must get vaccinated, wear a mask, stay 6 ft apart where possible and be giving tickets fines on the spot for Not doing so.
@9:32am..What should the PACT and Panton do to curb the local spread of the disease? Just asking for a couple of friends..
Maybe, enforce the Public Health Orders that already carry penalties under regulations?
Yeah, this only applies to visiting young teenagers, for it was so easy to make her a scapegoat. Still embarrassed for Cayman leaders, they could have chosen the Canadian couple to make example of.
The Government can’t enforce the law, that is the job of the Police and the Police fall under the Governor..
The RCIPS has always been derelict in the way they perform their duties and this situation is no different.
The Government can pass the laws but when the Police and the Courts don’t do their jobs or do them properly this is the result.
Systematic testing across all levels of the community starting with front line.
The government should have been far more aggressive.
Knock it off with your little line of bullcrap, Anon1.
Maybe YOU are the one who should sit down and stop lying about “other government”!
Hit a nerve
The complacency that led to this outbreak started from the top. Most members of PACT were not even vaccinated until after the election. If they dont get their act together god help us when tourism returns.
Why would tourism have an impact? All the visitors will be triple jabbed and negative. This is solely on people making idiotic decisions to not get vaccinated early.
Triple jabbed??? the regs say only 1 dose counts as vaccinated.
Why would tourism return? Who is going to come if they can’t bring their children and have to go take covid tests every half hour?
Hopefully you are right.
Natural immunity strikes again. How many more will we lose to this nonsense.
Ridiculous that some people think natural immunity provides better protection than Pfizer. Well proven Pfizer antibodies way better than natural. And natural could kill you. Complete lack of education in some people sadly.
9:42 am, Are you a troll?
Guessing you must be joking, as there is plenty evidence to show that natural immunity is far superior than the vaccine can provide.
CNS: Medical News Today – COVID-19: Do vaccines protect better than infection-induced immunity?
“The results suggest that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are around five times more effective at preventing hospitalization than a previous infection.”
The pro natural immunity clan got wildly excited about a study in Israel that was published in August, which appeared to support their views, and blogged about it all over the internet. However, Science Magazine – Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital
‘The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle.’
Also note that public health experts in Israel, where the study took place, still recommend vaccination.
It’s a shame that natural immunity is not recognized along with the vaccine, being that it is so effective.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/
You’re still going to need to get vaxxed, just get on with it.
its funny, the whole purpose of all the health measures put in place is to try an prevent infection and the risks associated with having the infection.
But the natural immunity brigrade is to catch the virus, take the chance of getting seriously ill, in the hope they won’t catch the virus and get seriously ill.
That’s some logic
(and now Omicron has shown a very high risk of reinfection)
Omicron reinfection may be high, but the symptoms are way less
Vaxed or not, Cayman is infecting everybody by cavalierly disregarding the Public Health Orders. Pretending COVID is over, is the actual nonsense.
This is the truth! Regardless of vaccination status, no enforcement is being done for health protocols. We will never get out of this pandemic without hard line enforcement! We are basically treading water as the current pulls us under!
yawn…lock yourself down.
hospital numbers are fine.
There it is. Comments like this come from both sides of the vax argument, which is so predictable. What do they have in common? Easy. Greed, selfishness, and a general lack of empathy and hatred for anyone not in lockstep with their agenda.
Yeah a bunch of these anti vaxxers are also spreading the dumbest info Ive heard out of people’s mouth. Stuff like Bill Gates now tracking yiu from first dose of vaccine. Vaccine killing more people that virus e.t.c. Boy these people some real idiots. Lmao
My son had covid (delta) unvaccinated and no symptoms whatsoever and tested negative after 5 days finished isolation (full 15 days) and went about his business. Why does he need to be vaccinated?
CNS: I’m not sure that anyone knows how much immunity he will have if he was asymptomatic, as opposed to actually ill, and how long that will last, and if he needs just one shot or none. Let us hope our new temporary CMO, who is an infectious diseases specialist, will appear at a press briefing when she gets here in January to answer such questions.
I think it would depend on how old he is. I would be concerned about the Myocarditis risk from the vaccine if he is in his teens.
CNS: National Geographic – The real risk of heart inflammation to kids is from COVID-19—not the vaccine
Medical Press – Young people recover quickly from rare myocarditis side effect of COVID-19 vaccine: study
It is very regrettable and sad for the loss of lives.
At this point the only route people need to focus on is to find ways and means to come together to stop the expansion of the virus in the island. Deal with the blames later if need be. Now is not the time to blame anyone. Let us come to the table of solutions and stay away from the table of problems. We understand it is good to identify the problems to find the solutions. Time to be productive.
What an unfortunate choice of words…it’s the habitual “coming together” like we are still in a 2020 bubble that is the cognitive disconnect propelling infections. Following the Public Health Orders might keep our infection rate to a manageable level. That requires staying 6 ft apart from everyone that isn’t in your household. They don’t want or deserve your droplet wake because you are vaccinated and feel finished. We must think of others. It’s time for people to get out a tape measure and visualise what 6 feet actually measures out to, for “living with the virus”. You’d hope a construction guy in a yellow or orange shirt would know what 6 feet looks like. If cops were writing the $10,000 tickets, like they are supposed to be, this PACT administration would raise more money with personal space violations than the last decade of cruise tourism. These are Regulatory Orders since September!
Jay, The solution is easy GET VACCINATED.
The solution is actually strict enforcement of public health protocols, curfews, reduction of seating in bars and restaurants, and controlled capacities in all other retailers. Vaccinations without these measures are akin to plugging a hole in the dam with one’s finger.
Just crazy. Why are there healthy young people who are unvaccinated when we have had vaccines for a year. They should be getting a booster now but because they didn’t get vaccinated they died instead.
8:59, One needs to understand that we cannot help the chronically stupid if they do not get the message after all this time.
There is only so much Premier Panton and the medical authorities can do.
Posters should stop blaming tourists as they got the message as all are double vaccinated and some are even triple vaccinated with boosters, they also enter the Cayman Islands with negative tests 24 hours before they arrive here.
Get with it Cayman people. Get vaccinated.
Amen 10:33am. Couldn’t have said it better.
except they could do one thing that will help…ban unvaxxed from public places…like the rest of the civilised world!
Remember when the government told us that the health and safety of the islands residents were their number one priority? If that was the case, why have these people died?
These deaths were all preventable. We only had to continue with monitored quarantine because it was working perfectly. Everyone was safe and leading wonderfully free and normal lives.
Now people are dead and everything we do every day is no longer normal. Just so some already rich people can get even richer from tourists. There is absolutely NO evidence that people’s health and lives are the number one priority – money is.
8.56am Most of these deaths were due to the deceased not being vaccinated, THAT is the problem. Govt. cannot tie these people down and forcibly vaccinate them, their fate was their own choice.
People died because people at HSA do not call to check in on Covid infected persons in self isolation.
If you call the flu hotline, it takes hours before you get a response and all they tell you is take paracetamol and they will call back to check on you.
Which never happens.
People need to make sure that they have a close cirle of friends and family who are reliable to check in and make sure that they are OK.
Otherwise more and more people will die, especially if unvaccinated and left to fend for yourself at home.
Everyone that died was in the hospital..Can you indicate which one died from covid at home because they were left to fend for themselves?
Number 6, Dec 1st…according to CMR, a 69yo unvaccinated woman from Savannah with no known comorbidity, got progressively worse and was called in ambulance on the way to hospital, rest her soul.
an unvaxxed covid denier…
11:16am: It is said she continually refused to seek medical attention until it was too late.
There was one lady with covid who was found dead at home.
There was one.
No – if there were COVID infected people breaching quarantine who spread the disease, it is their fault, not HSA’s.
Many people have quarantined and they managed to obey the rules, without the need for regular checks from HSA.
Get real. Cayman’s biggest problem is the small island mentality. Like some of you have never left. Looking to Government for everything rather than gripping reality and standing on your own merits. If it isn’t moaning how expats get the jobs it’s moaning why CIG opened the border. COVID ISNT GOING AWAY. YOU CAN’T LOCK UP AND LIVE OFF STUPENDS FOREVER. YOU CAN’T INVITE IN AND THEN CREAM OFF GLOBAL BUSINESS WITHOUT ACCEPTING EXPAT EXPERT LABOUR. Wake up, get vaccinated and get on with it.
Remember when the government told everyone to get vaccinated?
Pay attention 8:56 and get into the game.
Get vaccinated.
There remains disturbing inaction and perception gaps between what SL69 orders, and what public spaces and restaurants should have been doing since our COVID-free bubble burst and public safety rules came back into effect in September. Many restaurants continue to offer less than 6 inches between tables, daring someone to call them out, but this government is entirely disinterested in ticketing or prosecuting. Even with $10,000 fines and 2 years in jail! COVID is not over.
This is why the pandemic will never end here. Pure greed, selfishness and outright defiance of science and the laws.
Perhaps it is finally time to look at natural immunity and if catching it is as good or better than a vaccine especially against new variants. Also for those who are vaccinated and have caught it how they do against new variants just to give us a better understanding of What it is mutating into and what our best options are.
CNS: John Hopkins – COVID Natural Immunity: What You Need to Know
Thank you 7:49 am
So what you’re saying is that you want to start an uncontrolled experiment, using the lives of Caymanians, to test some wild, fringe theory?
Ok, Josef Mengele…
This is the most stupid and reckless ideas ever.
The problem with that is you are much more likely to die if you are not vaccinated…catching Covid to try and get natural immunity is stupid.
Catching it is better than a vaccine? SMH.
So let me get this straight. The best way to prevent death from covid is to catch it?
This is like saying that because a majority of people that get in car accidents don’t die, the best way to prevent death in driving accidents is to crash your car.
In other words, you Sir/Ma’am, are an idiot.
Well CNS won’t display what I read in the John Hopkins referenced report so you might want to read it for yourselves.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html#anchor_1635539757101
CNS: Your previous post on the matter with this link and the quote from JH was posted here. I’m going to add the same note.
This is an interesting topic and will continue to be studied, especially as new variants pop up. And full disclosure, I don’t have time to read this whole article right now. But note (in the executive summary): “There are insufficient data to extend the findings related to infection-induced immunity at this time to persons with very mild or asymptomatic infection or children.” This means that the study looked at people who had symptoms that were not “very mild”, i.e. you have to roll the dice and risk being severely ill and possibly dying or getting long covid to get that immunity. Most doctors strongly recommend that you don’t do that.
Also from the summary: “Substantial immunologic evidence and a growing body of epidemiologic evidence indicate that vaccination after infection significantly enhances protection and further reduces risk of reinfection, which lays the foundation for CDC recommendations.”
So it go.
So, Mr. Premier. People are dying and livelihoods lost because people broke quarantine. The risks and consequences were foreseeable. When will we hear of the arrests and fines of those responsible? Our robust law enforcers and public health officials should know, or did they become ‘complacent’ too?
We have a high vaccination rate. The current wave is dwindling. Daily numbers are down. Hospitalizations are down. Deaths are up, seven this year. Unvaccinated adults are taking unnecessary risks. Some perspective. We’ve had nine die on our roads. Without the vaccine, Covid would easily be winning this race.
The comparison to road deaths is a non-sequitur – without Covid we would have had them. Considering road traffic accidents add absolutely no perspective on the Covid situation.
Sure it does – RISK!
again…no deaths of vaccinated people under 70.
bring in vax passport system for social settings….to protect them and to protect our health service.
More Americans have died of COVID in 2021 than all that died in 2020, despite widespread availability of vaccines. The vaccines developed from 2019 strain certainly improve the odds, but it doesn’t mean this is over going into 2022. How bad must it get here among breakthrough fully-vaccinated alcoholics for revisionists to understand this is a statistical global reality that is playing out? If we want to be first to embrace it’s all over, we are on course to receive our ignoramus lessons firsthand.
CNS: Americans are dying because the anti-vax movement is telling them not to take the free vaccines that would save their lives. See The most-vaccinated big counties in America are beating the worst of the coronavirus
Here are the graphs – How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not? (press the button for the animated graph for full effect)
The deaths are mainly among Republicans voters. So every cloud ….
Seeya, I hate to say it as a Republican, but you are correct. COVID is certainly taking out a lot of Republican voters.
Disgusting thing to say …
When those yanks listen to a vaccinated person tell them to inject bleach into their veins over what he put in his on veins therein lies the problem with them.
Ugh, can’t believe you think Trump said to inject bleach into your veins. That’s simply false. But I guess a lie gets repeated often enough and people think it’s true.
CNS: Below is Trump’s verbatim word salad at the press conference in question. It’s muddled and insane enough that I expect you will both claim victory.
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security at the time) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?”
He continued.
“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”
Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients.
“It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object.”
The makers of Lysol were concerned enough to later issue a statement that “under no circumstance” should its products be used in the human body.
Like I said – he never said to inject bleach into your veins. You just proved my point. Thank you CNS.
BEST comment ever!
The fate of the unvaccinated by choice should not impact the lives of the rest of the community. They are like drunken drivers in my book, terrible and selfish as their acts risk other people, but if they harm themselves no tears will be wept.
I wonder how those so called community leaders are feeling today. They have been telling people to take vitamins instead of the vaccine now some of those persons are dead.
Who will be next?
I agree. In fact I think drunk drivers and unvaccinated are almost identical – careless choices risking the lives of others.
How are they risking the lives of others? You can protect yourself by getting vaccinated. Risk alleviated.
The unvaccinated are incubators for variants and mutations of the disease. They provide living petri dishes for the virus to work out new strategies by selection.
Oh, right, it’s Cayman… evolution doesn’t happen either.
Good luck.
Evolve yourself back home then
Yes, we’re behind, but didn’t most move to cayman for slow pace island living?
TBH, the overconfident vaccinated and holy-spirit shielded unvaccinated that bumble around without providing their fellow humans with their lawful 6 feet need to be fined and/or pepper sprayed. They are on some other planet and a danger to everybody. There are way too many of this category circulating in public right now.
Panton has simply lost the plot. He needs to go and explain the PACT Government’s management of the pandemic to those individuals that have died from COVID-19 and to those individuals that have died from illnesses that were further complicated by COVID-19. Also, if the PACT Government was focused on protecting lives and livelihoods and on not taking unnecessary chances why then are they allowing the earlier than previously scheduled return of cruise tourism to the Cayman Islands.
So you want his explanation to fall on dead ears?
You missed the point… It’s too late to explain anything to dead people.
Duh, do ya think, does “dead ears” ring a bell. Read it again.
“He needs to go and explain ….. to those individuals that have died…”
How do you propose he explains this to people that are dead?
You didn’t get the point… It’s too late to explain anything to the people that have died.
” …why then are they allowing the earlier than previously scheduled return of cruise tourism to the Cayman Islands.”
The answer 12:52, is that the Panton PACT Clown Car is driven by and loaded with dangerous, inept, irresponsible morons. The CDC is warning that cruise ship travel is in a high risk category and placed it in Level 3: High level of COVID-19. So let’s congratulate the Panton/PACT Clown Car for inviting a high-level risk to the Cayman Islands. I congratulate them for maintaining a very consistent level of stupidity.
Read the article! They were unvaccinated. That is their fault, not the government!
@12:52am – not sure how he’s supposed to explain to the dead, but how’s exactly did Wayne mismanagement the pandemic?
One of the ladies who died this weekend was a vocal anti-vaxxer, 2 others that were healthy also would not take the vaccine. At some point you have to take personal responsibility for yourself. Others that passed away had co-morbidities, some of those were not vaccinated.
Are you beginning to see a trend here. No one ever promised that we would not have deaths from COVID.
Stop blaming the government for every ill in your life and start taking responsibility for your actions or lack thereof.
“He needs to go and explain the PACT Government’s management of the pandemic to those individuals that have died from COVID-19 and to those individuals that have died from illnesses that were further complicated by COVID-19″… 🙂
What kind of a reaction do you think he’d get?
LMFAO
The point here is that it is too late to explain anything to people that have died.
“Another two people died over the weekend, including one unvaccinated woman…”
This is silly. You report 2 people but only highlight one was unvaccinated. Meaning the other was vaccinated…
CNS: You’ve quoted half a sentence to deliberately miss the point. We don’t know the vaccination status of the other sad fatality.
The point is even if you are youngish at 48 you are rolling the dice with “Natural Immunity”.
Just go read actual source documents and studies if you are worried. Hopefully that will result in getting the vaccine, otherwise you are at much higher risk. You are making an anti-social choice as any preventable hospitalizations and deaths affect more than just the person that is hospitalized or passes.
I don’t know how else to tell people.
I would assume the dislikes are in the running for Darwin Awards at some point.
I hate to say it CNS but they are probably right. Government not saying much about the vaccinated that died. I know one person that did for sure and they weren’t dying from their so called co-morbidies. Covid killed that person.
CNS: I think we can all agree that in a small community like this, it would be better for CIG to let people know what is happening, whatever that is, than to let rumours fester. It’s a huge mistake. I’m so sorry about your friend.
So sad as these deaths are preventable
Yes – preventable through vaccination
It is very regrettable and sad for the loss of lives.
At this point the only route people need to focus on is to find ways and means to come together to stop the expansion of the virus in the island. Deal with the blames later if need be. Now is not the time to blame anyone. Let us come to the table of solutions and stay away from the table of problems. We understand it is good to identify the problems to find the solutions. Time to be productive.
There are literally Emergency Public Health Orders, and the problem is “coming together”. Stay away 6 feet away from all non-household. Wear a mask. Wash your hands. If you are a LFT positive, you MUST inform Public Health, your employer, and stay home.
Nah, we are smarter than that.
Pact care more about finances than the lives of our people #LOCKUSDOWN you don’t know how to handle this situation if you did, children would be homeschooled unna just letting the virus do as it please in our schools! It just not adding up for me!
So saith the entitled Caymanian who either feeds at the NAU trough or is independently wealthy with all family members on these islands … #GetVaccinated … unna see and “driftwood” or Work Permit holders dying ??? …