ALT holds back unvaxed staff bonuses
(CNS): As implied in a previous letter last month, Cayman’s largest hardware merchant has held back bonuses for unvaccinated staff. Al Thompson had stopped short of mandating that his workers get the COVID-19 shots but tied the pay-out of a special annual bonus related to successful trading over the last 12 months to the vaccine status of his employees, which he had asked them to reveal.
In a follow-up letter, which is circulating on social media, he said that 91% of the staff had got the shots, leaving just 17 who had not and who did not get the bonus. Thompson said he would give them one more week to consider getting vaccinated and give the company time to decided how to deal with those who will not get the jab.
Thompson said that so far he had not mandated that staff be vaccinated but that his store had become the first company to pressure its employees and it may come to the point of mandating the vaccine as a condition of employment. He thanked all those who had got their shots and urged what he described as a great staff to “stick together” ahead of the country reopening its doors to overseas guests.
While Thompson, who is one of Cayman’s largest employers, may be able to mandate the vaccine as a future condition for new staff, sacking staff who are unvaccinated may fall foul of the Labour Law.
Last week Labour Minister Chris Saunders indicated that government will not be imposing a mandate beyond work permit holders and said that a legal opinion from the attorney general had advised against it.
The amendment to the immigration law to pave the way for mandatory coronavirus vaccination for permit holders is expected to be steered through Parliament by the middle of this month. It is hoped that this will boost the current national rate of around 67% of the resident population being vaccinated toward the government target of 80%.
Since no vaccine is yet approved for children under 12, to reach that target public health officials will need to inoculate nearly all adults living here, which presents a significant challenge as those who have not been vaccinated in Cayman, as elsewhere, range from the nervously hesitant who could be persuaded to the staunchly opposed.
There continues to be significant misinformation circulating on social media platforms, such as the apparently plausible but false claims that the vaccines are experimental, blatently false statements about dangerous ingredients that are not actually in the vaccine, to outrageous conspiracies of microchips being inserted with the vaccine.
Many misleading stories on social media about vaccinations have originated from just a dozen original sources, according to recent research, with the goal of peddling false cures and discrediting the vaccines.
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The only surprise here is ALT paying bonuses.
Wow! How can ALT get away with treating his Caymanian workers like they’re expats?
This is despicable!!!
ALT, you get an F- .
If i have a store , i should be able to hire who i want, if i only want to hire vaccined staff that’s my business. If one wants to work in my store then they must abide my rules. Simply i think.
I’ll take direction from an anti-vaxxer who can show me a notarized affidavit saying that he or she refuses to be hospitalized after getting sick with COVID-19.
I’ll take direction from a vaccine company that removes their vaccine liability waivers in the event something happens to me due to their vaccine.
Or better yet,
i’ll take direction from a pro vaxer that will stand surety for any expenses / loss of income I incur as a result of side effects from the vaccine.
This argument is starting to get old..
How many people are getting these debilitating side effects from the vaccine? You should be more worried if your insurance will cover you from Long Covid side effects.
I saw some idiot on Facebook posting crap that the government is covering up the side effects of the vaccine in Cayman. Another one joining him and going as far as saying that she went to the hospital they other night and the entire hospital Emergency waiting room was filled with people having side effects from the vaccine but the Government isn’t reporting it..These people just make me so angry with spreading all of this misinformation. Worse it’s people that I really expected better from.. Because they can no longer find anything to make their stupid conspiracy theories plausible they have come up with this foolishness. If anyone knows about Cayman, which these two should do, as they are generational Caymanians, nothing stays secret in Cayman. If that many people were in the Emergency room with Vaccine side effect you can be damn sure they would have been posting that to Marl Road or even here on CNS.
Please don’t listen to these idiots and go get vaccinated. It could save your life, your family and all those around you..and now, even better, you could be handed $100,000.
Cool story, bro. Keep writing. Maybe there is a novel in you.
Great AlT, a patriot looking for the good of our island and his customers. Most small businesses will undoubtedly follow as we do care to have repeat customers.
They will all get the vaccine once the border opens, especially now they know they can’t travel to Miami or anywhere if unvaccinated and will face restrictions when we open like no entry to shops and restaurants.
Buckle up people! As of Monday incoming travelers who have been vaccinated will no longer be monitored and their quarantine will be based on ‘trust’. More UK flights coming and increased chance of community spread. At least its a step in the right direction to getting this country opened up.
And a step towards a September lockdown in time for school to be suspended again.
How many anti-vaxxers does it take to change a lightbulb? After all, WWG1WGA.
Most that refuse the mRNA vaccine are not “anti-vaxxers”. That is a narrative created by YOUR side, the mob. The mob has grown more outspoken as it grows, because that’s what mobs do. The mob loves to persecute. They love the smell of blood.
WWG1WGA is a Qanon thing from the U.S., improperly pointed toward Trump. You have created a strawman argument. Very few Americans here give a squat about Qanon. Most of them are here because they belong with us, because they are good people with good values.
You, Sir, are an asshole.
Good day.
Israel: “the Health Ministry ordered that all individuals — vaccinated and unvaccinated — arriving from the U.S. and 17 other countries must to quarantine for 14 days starting Aug. 11.”
It is interesting to read that the USA is likely to introduce a vaccine mandate for non citizens seeking to enter the US. It is of course their right to do so. No-one (other than Americans) has a right to enter the USA. No-one who works at ALT has a right to a discretionary bonus.
🚫 I hesitated to sign the petition against being forced to vaccinate, but after reading this, I signed it. Fudge ALT!
Bro, that petition STRANGLE was taken down several days ago.
lol..
He sure seems to be a lot more involved in his company lately! Almost like he has a lot more time now all of a sudden…
Do you think that board change stopped him? LOL Listen once you are in the big boys club it doesn’t matter who is on the board, they all benefit. The minister swapped black dog for monkey and we peeons jump up and down celebrating but we are still broke.
Let’s be reasonable here and look at facts:
1) would you put your seatbelt on with Lewis Hamilton as the driver saying he’s going to drive 150mph?
2) do you want to be able to freely shop, eat, drink in cayman and the rest of the world, and ever travel abroad from cayman in the future?
3) would you put hurricane shutters up against an incoming category 5 hurricane?
4) do you want to ever work in a job in cayman where you may have to face residents or tourists?
5) would you wear a bullet proof vest if you were sent into a war zone?
6) would you take a respected, proven vaccine against the greatest world public health crisis in a 100 years (Pfizer – covid) to protect yourself and others against death?
If you answer yes to 1 to 5 and no to 6, you are a very very selfish person.
5) do you want to not be one of the only 20 people relying on a ventilator if we ever get community covid spread in cayman?
🤬 We are born selfish, we only have self. If we don’t protect self, nobody will. Since the beginning of the era of vaccinations, people get vaccinated to protect themselves.
You selfishly got the jab to protect yourself.
I selfishly protect my body from the harms of the jab(s).
So back off.
His selfishness helps other people – yours doesn’t help anyone – in fact, it increases the risk for others. Now pat yourself on the back. For someone who thinks that being selfish is entirely natural and nothing to be ashamed of, you seem remarkably thin skinned to the accusation.
Actually, I got the vaccine to protect others who might not be able to for health reasons. Same way many children could survive measles however if they spread it to an infant too young to get vaccinated that infant would most certainly die, so people vaccinate children against measles. To protect the community as a whole. It sounds like you were raised selfish. Not everyone is. Please don’t put everyone in the selfish category as we are not the same.
You are joking. Your selfish plans to open up the island will result in unnecessary deaths
Cayman really has become a laughing stock now. Hate the gays, won’t get a vaccine, expats take my job, covid will go away, trust in god. Grow up!!!! All these things aw going nowhere… only you can advance yourself. Get vaccinated and start respecting the people that drive your economy and try to be as educated as them.
@ 10.31 Edukayshun aint offal impotent hear.
YOU JUST TLD THE LOCALS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THEM.
YOU should grow up, numb nut.
Is this legal? To hold back a bonus that someone has obviously earned by hard work is a low blow even for the likes of ALT.
Yes, it’s absolutely legal. A bonus is earned and can be given at the discretion of the employer. DUH
My bonus provision is in my employment contract with the employer.
Good for you if your contract has a mandatory bonus provision!
And guess what? in that employment contract it can state that you must have the vaccine to get a bonus.
It can, but likely does not.
Most bonuses are contractually at the sole discretion of the employer. They are not very accurately described as a bonus if they contractually form part of your pay. I’ll wager ALT’s are the former.
The problem is a lack of basic understanding of statistics by the horde calling for every single person to get vaccinated to protect society.
Look at the Pfizer 6 month trial results, which is public by the way. Around 22,000 participants in the vaccination group and 22,000 in the placebo group. Over the 6 months period (before Delta) 131 in the vaccine group got COVID and 1,034 in the control got COVID. They do some adjustments for vaccination timing and end up with vaccine efficacy of 91%. And even in the trail the efficacy wanes meaningfully towards the 6 month mark.
That is the past. All the recent delta outbreaks that had honest accounting whether it’s in the US or abroad show the vaccinated getting almost equally infected compared to the localized vaccine coverage. That’s as if the Pfizer vaccine group had say a range of 900-1,100 positive COVID cases compared to the 1,034 cases in the control. Meaning it does not work anymore. End of story. The unvaccinated aren’t any more or less of a threat to the spread of COVID than the vaccinated at this point.
For what it’s worth during the 6 month trial period 18 people died in the Pfizer group and 16 people in the control group. Covid killed 2 in control and Covid pneumonia killed 1 in the Pfizer. 5 heart failures in Pfizer and 1 heart failure in control…
And while the powers at be are still claiming some fantastic mortality reduction properties of the vaccines they have also fallen materially (or maybe they were never that high to begin with) if you look at the incremental deaths and hospitalizations of vaccinated vs unvaccinated in a few regions that dare to disclose that information.
Vaccinating every last person won’t get you back to normal and won’t prevent everyone from catching this disease when it arrives here.
Twaddle in long sentences. You clearly have no comprehension of either science or statistics.
Human intelligence seems to be on the verge of extinction. It is comforting to know that we are not quite past that threshold yet.
You are perpetuating FALSE data! Shame on you.
A well written logical comment finally.
Logical in your mind..without reliable sources anyone can spew foolishness on here to perpetuate their anti-vax agenda..
I really struggle to understand how people are not allowed to have some doubts after seeing how all big corporations and governments are desperate to vaccinate every single person in the world as soon as they can, when they never cared about cancer, diabetes, heart disease, pollution, obesity and other things that kill more than Covid, and to think they are doing this for the benefit of humanity.
Because none of those is communicable or has a vaccine against it?
There is no vaccine for cancer, heart disease etc. what is your point?
@4:28
They have no point..They have run out of conspiracy theories and this is what they have to resort to. Comparing covid to cancer and heart disease..SMH
Dont have a bad diet and exercise regularly is highly effective.
The point is clear. All of those diseases are completely related to poor diet, processed food, drinking, smoking, excessive medications, bad habits, pollution, etc. but instead of focusing on them, they develop a ‘vaccine’ that gives Pfizer and others hundreds of billions and will make people more dependent on them. Not very difficult to see.
I guess numbers aren’t your strong point.
The fact is if you have a double Pfizer vaccine you are over 90 per cent less likely to end up in hospital and get sick, and at least 25% less likely to catch or spread any variant of covid. You can write pages and pages of your nonsense comments, but you’re offering noting towards any sense of normality. Grow up or go home.
According to the CDC 8 times less likely to catch it, 25 times less likely to be hospitalised or die. That’s way more protection than the 90% and 25% you cite. Rest absolutely spot on tho.
You ate the type of disgraceful fake news spreader that drips grand cayman becoming a respected nation
Not helpful. You sound articulate, so should know better,
Interesting analysis. What do you make of the fact that hospitals are reporting that most of their patients are unvaccinated rather vaccinated which, if you believe most reports, suggests that the vaccines are effective at reducing the severity of the illness?
Don’t give facts here. They don’t like them.
Personal experience:
Sunday morning I went to ER with an injury in one of the large Florida hospitals. I was the one and only person at that time. They did test me for COVID, though I did not ask. The result was negative. The moral of the story: If my test was positive my “case” would have been added to the COVID statistics.
In the last 6 months I had traveled on 6 different airlines with layovers in many different European countries. On the long flights face masks were replaced every three hours and taken off during meals. I had few covid tests throughout my journey, all were negative.
So?
Here are the stats you need to know. Right now in the US 40% of the adult population are unvaccinated but they make up 95% of the 50,000 hospitalised. At least in the US they have lots of experience treating it. Good luck to anyone who catches it here.
Perhaps a better way to have dealt with this would to have offered an additional bonus scheme to those who decided to get vaccinated rather than remove one from those already under a working contract. There’s a principle missing in method that I just don’t like.
Are you going to pay for that? This is a business, not a charity
If I were a super-rich business owner, I would never have punished/penalised the unvaxxed. Of course, I don’t have a God complex.
As a consumer, I will never again shop there. I know that nothing I do will hurt Thompson, nor will it make any difference to their margin.
People with too much power over their employees, combined with no compassion for their situation result in megalomaniacs that don’t deserve my little business.
FWIW, I am vaccinated. It is a personal choice, hopefully one arrived at through an informed decision as a result of research and not parroting the talking points of any group.
If I were a super rich business owner i would want to be safe in the company I had built. I would want my employees and customers safe in the space in which they spend the money to keep the business running. I would also not want the type of brain dead idiots that are still resisting a vaccine because they’re afraid, and dumb, working for me.
I’d fire them all.
5:59: – It certainly would be one of my first considerations before compromising the relationship with any of my exceptional employees, – empower them instead of punishing
You’re right, it’s discrimination against those not vaccinated. Al T can argue that the bonus is discretionary, but if the only difference in getting it or not getting it is down to being vaccinated, which is not in the employee’s contract terms, then the non-vaccinated are being treated unfairly and technically would have a good case at a tribunal.
A good case at a tribunal lol. You think you are still back in the UK or wha? Its Cayman – show me the employee who is going to come out of a labour board review here with a smile on their face. Of course, if they are an expat they are not even going to get that far – bit difficult to stay on island for a board review once your WP has been revoked.
Well done to the people that didn’t sell out and stood for their rights!
The Pfizer study showed that the vaccine was 91% effective, but drilling down into the data, they used a mostly healthy population. 45% of the general population are obese or have several co-morbidities. The Pfizer study sample had only 21% of the group who were obese or more than one co-morbidity.
Also, it was not tested against the Delta variant.
What about my rights? Is it only the vaccinated that should have rights?
The USA just announced today that they are working to ensure that anyone coming into their country will have to be vaccinated…Let’s see what all these anti-vaxxers will do when they want to take their little Miami trips..
The USA did NOT announce this nonsense today!
CNS: U.S. developing plan to require foreign visitors to be vaccinated, official says
Developing a plan… doesn’t mean plan approved 😉
9:05 they sure DID say a vaccine mandate is probably coming for foreign visitors!
CNS…..bless you for always informing these know-it-all know-nothing fools.
There are more places to go than Miami, or the US. So no loss there bobo.
10:59…..Miami is part of the US. 🤦🏻♀️
No, it’s part of Cuba.
Win a contest – A free trip to Miami! Yaaaaaay!
Second prize — two trips!!
Cayman Islands HIPAA Protection states that Nobody has the rights to your vaccine history or any other medical information, nor can they demand proof of vaccination or use it against you in any way if you refuse any vaccine.
They do however have the ability to give out bonuses to whomever they want to. So… A bonus is a bonus. If your employer doesn’t like you, they don’t have to give you a bonus. Its that simple.
HIPAA – US federal law which has zero application in Cayman.
Yes, and 99.99% of Caymanian educated studs will not understand this…………… Very Sad!
Not true, it is also a Cayman institution.
“Under the Cayman Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), you have certain rights regarding the use and disclosure of your protected health information in the Cayman Islands”
No, it really isn’t. Literally doesn’t exist.
Talking of not true – I thought it was bit strange that it would have exactly the same title and enactment date as US legislation, so not entirely surprised to find absolutely no reference to it in the official government list of Cayman legislation. Naughty naughty – just flat making things up.
5 thumbs down – to a purely factual comment just because you don’t like the truth contradicting what you want the world to be..
It was voluntary. I will buy more at ALT!
HIPAA is not law it is a Certification offers by professional organization. It is not a mandate.
Also only American 🤣
You dumdum. Hippa is usa. You are in Cayman. Also, they can ask your age when you interview so it’s not the same country bobo.
“You are in Cayman.”- The Lawless society.
3:38…..you just put your ignorance on display. HIPAA has absolutely nothing to do with Cayman. Nada. Zilch. Try again.
Cayman Islands HIPAA Protection???
When did Cayman get that? FFS, stop making up things and just go get vaccinated.
HIPAA is a part of USA law not Cayman..I guessing you are part of the Trump Patriots or Marjorie Greenes Qanon..She tried saying the same foolishness in the States too. Idiots!!
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/hipaa-violation/story?id=79114788
Even if that were true ALT doesn’t need a “right” to your vaccine card to ask to see it. You could simply refuse and choose not get the bonus. Your precious non existant rights protected. LOL
The virus is going to get you whether you’re vaccinated or not, IF it’s going to get you. Most of us won’t even know we had it. And that’s a perspective that we need to stop forgetting.
A bit of perspective is always handy. Try to take a look at probability and possibility. Here’s one for you –
It is possible that you will win the lottery.
It is not probable that you will win the lottery.
If you can see the difference there between possible and probable, you can try to apply that to most things in life and also to Covid19 and your actual risk from it.
It is possible you will die from Covid19.
It is probable you will not die from Covid19.
There is no grey area here, just pure data taken from the pandemic so far. Hardly anyone (in raw statistics) dies from it. Those that do are overwhelmingly either very old (usually past the average age of death anyhow), or have underlying illness or obesity.
The way in which the world has gone about handling COVID19 is so far beyond any relation to the risks of COVID19, you have to wonder have we all had a lobotomy?
This isn’t random speculation, its actually what is happening all over the world. Something along the lines of 0.003% is the death rate – which is not even 10% of how many people die globally every year. And yet we’re going after everybody. Why? There’s no risk to over 99.5% of us.
The point is – if you’re able to just for a moment take a risk assessment and look at the difference between probability and possibility, you’d be amazed how easy it would be to stop being scared all the time, to calm down and to live.
I do wish government would look at this objectively also and simply look at the maths.
And whilst we’re on the theme of logic (which seems to have been thrown out of the equation since early 2020), try to take a long think about the quarantine rules –
there is absolutely no basis for differentiating between vaccinated and unvaccinated persons anywhere actually, but certainly not in quarantine. The purpose we’re told for quarantine is to stop the spread of covid 19 into the country.
Well, vaccinated people catch covid19 and spread it. So do unvaccinated people.
The unvaccinated people actually tend to ‘show’ its symptoms far more obviously than the vaccinated. This would mean we’d be better off having the VACCINATED stay longer in quarantine (if we were being logical).
To suggest that quarantine differences (5 days to 14 days) has any basis in logic when there is clear evidence globally that vaccinated persons catch, carry and spread covid19 (and also die from it) is nonsense. Pure nonsense.
I wonder when the Govt will be sued about this discrimination. Either everyone goes to zero days, or 5 days, or 14 days…but there is no logic for differences in quarantine periods as we know that everybody is just as susceptible (give or take a few percents) to catching or spreading the virus.
As to ALT – that’s just remarkably silly what he’s done. But its a private business, can likely do what he wants. Just like green lighting all the development that has caused utter chaos in Cayman over the years, he’s now causing chaos in his store.
A Smith Cove protest wouldn’t go amiss.
Get the vaccine and stop spreading nonsense from Facebook
Stupid response. I support ALT!
You should use your time better than typing out that nonsense.
‘there is absolutely no basis for differentiating between vaccinated and unvaccinated persons anywhere actually’
CNS: this comment should be deleted. It takes a lot of space and is clearly complete and utter nonsense. It’s a disgrace.
To the poster… the facts are vaccinated catch, speed and die from the virus a lot less. You’re a complete idiot. Happy to sponsor you in basic kindergarten and primary school teaching which you clearly missed as a child.
CNS: One of the major problems is that this type of comment usually appears in a social media bubble, where it is unchallenged. At least on CNS other readers (and me when I have time) can and do rebut. I think it’s also important to be aware of the misinformation circulating. I do sometime delete serial spreaders of nonsense who do not appear to read the responses and just keep repeating the same crap.
Go to smith cove with your small mind and religious protest. For your sake I hope there is a hospital bed left for you at the end.
3:37pm, you have written so much that one gets lost after the first few sentences. and if you are so informed, don’t be anonymous.
“There is no grey area here, just pure data taken from the pandemic so far. ” Yup. Over 4 million dead people. According to the latest stats in Canada, 15% of the people who have died in canada were under the age of 70 – hardly past the average age of death.
Your fatal mistake is expecting reasonable people to read your writing in this forum. It appears that people lose their sense of reasoning when they have access to a computer and internet connection. I write because I want to acknowledge that you are not only correct, which you obviously know, but you are a rarity. Most people are so busy shouting at everyone they have not even stopped to think. Not that it would make much difference, from the looks of things.
I understand ALT’s stance and appreciate the reasoning for the initiative. What I don’t like however is the precedent being set (that any employer especially large and most importantly the largest) is that leverage is being rolled out as acceptable. Yes, I’ve been vaccinated.
So you are vaccinated… But do not support ALT’s legal right to give bonuses to those who met the criteria
His few employees who do not wish to get the jabs are not being denied jobs or pay, just bonuses for exceptional work criteria.
I am amazed that the populace does not understand what ‘Bonuses” vs ‘pay/salary’ is………
But then, I am also amazed that folks in West Bay elect an admitted criminal to CIG, and further dismayed that he/it was admitted to the Speaker’s Platform. What a profound International Disgrace!.
Cayman, we are a laughingstock…
Sheesh folks, get educated!
Yep, some of these people think that bonuses are part of their salary..A bonus is simply that, a bonus.You are not entitled to it. If your employer doesn’t want to give you one or in some cases can’t afford to do so that is their prerogative.
If Al’T wants to give a bonus to those who have taken the vaccine that is is choice, just like it is the choice of the anti-vaxxer not to take the vaccine.
I would suggest that when we open the borders that if any of the anti-vaxxers are front line staff that he has them tested regularly or reassign them to back office duties.
They are being denied pay. The employees accepted the job based on pay for performance, not compliance with vaccination mandates. They C#$p pay they accept is based largely on this bonus, which employees work very hard to earn. He is wrong and it is not legal. I wish someone would test it, but I am not holding my breath. I have never seen so much idiocy in the world. If there is a virus problem, it affects the brain, surely.
Oh, Information Commissioner, could you pelase check that ALT is not requiring personal information of its employees that it has no right to require (request with coersive tactics) under the Law?
Thank you AlT. I will be showing at your store tomorrow
Optional. If you want to be considered for a bonus you choose to provide the information. If you don’t want to provide the information, you forego the bonus. Life is about choices and consequences.
It absolutely has the right to know if their staff, who come into contact with hundreds of members of the public, are likely to get extremely sick or not once we open up and we get community transmission. Forget bonuses; I’d argue that they have a duty to those employees to know so that they can make them redundant for their own safety.
Nice try.
Do you think he also has a right to ask if they practice safe “adult relations “ to prevent the spread of HIV and STD’s?
If they are copulating in the aisles, yes!!!
A certain law firm does have similar in employees’contracts.
If they are having unprotected intercourse with customers as part of their job, yes!
Why is there this lemming insanity to open up and bring community transmission? For what? To sell some watches or boat trips in north sound? People don’t want to stay in their houses for 14 days after being to an infected area?
Give me a break.
An employer is requiring his staff to adhere to safety protocols set up by his company. No different to any other rules like, working hours, meal breaks, salary , vacation time etc.
It is up to him to pay bonus’ to anyone or no one as he sees fit, and if any employee has a problem with that, then they can resign.
But it is not a requirement of your employment like your working hours, etc. Otherwise it would not be ‘voluntary’ and tied to your bonus. Can’t have it both ways.
I am a firm believer in getting vaccinated to protect myself, my family and my community. Others are afraid of any kind of needle. For those who are, perhaps they could be given the option of daily PCR tests at their own expense which would limit the amount of damage that the unvaccinated can do once we open?
Or just forfeit the bonus?
The trouble with that (forfeiting the bonus)is the lack of connection to what ALT is, I assume (I may be wrong), attempting to achieve, i.e. keeping his staff and the public visiting his store, safe. An unvaxed staff member is still an unvaxed staff member, bonus or not.
So ALTs logical conclusion is somewhat unclear.
I’m not taking sides here just trying to reason the logic.
If you are so confident in the vaccine, why are you worried about what damage the unvaccinated can do? You shouldn’t get sick nor supposedly anyone else that is vaccinated. Us vaccinated people can do just as much damage especially with Delta, we can catch it and transmit it.
Because I don’t want you killing my granny?
Why is granny not vaccinated?
Idiot: the unvaccinated spread it more and take highly valued hospital beds. Get it now?
Because you mutate the virus so it could render the current vaccine less effective. Are you sure you should be commenting if you don’t understand the basic science because the vaccine?
Ideally a vaccine should be taken to protect self, nobody else. The vaccine should protect you and only you.
Ideally? I hope that is sarcasm or you have displayed a profound ignorance of public health considerations.
So you war a seatbelt but don’t tell your
Passengers too? Grow up
You walking around thinking you are safe and wanting open borders is what will lead to community transmission and deaths. For sure vaccinated people will end up in hospital too.
Well done ALT. Setting a great example. The future, as we all know covid is never going away, will see the same in cayman as we now see in the USA and Europe – only vaccinated can travel, enter bars and restaurants, go to public gatherings or shows and concerts and work in any job where you have contact with the public. It’s the safest and most appropriate way to operate and al Thompson’s should be congratulated on taking the initiative.
USA announced today that they will be requiring anyone visiting the States to be vaccinated. Those anti-vaxxers may not have any other choice but to shop at AL’Ts because they wont be taking their Miami trips anymore.
It is being considered, it has not been implemented.
Kirks? Also better customer service.
Helpful news report for anyone interested.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/fit-and-healthy-man-42-from-southport-who-rejected-vaccine-dies-of-covid
Indeed and that’s very far from an isolated case.
70% of US adults are now vaccinated.
There are 50,000 patients in US hospitals with covid.
In Florida 95% of patients are unvaccinated.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/03/us-covid-coronavirus-cases-hospitalizations-unvaccinated
Get vaccinated!
Sure he did.
Thank you ALT. Your action is in the best interests of our country.
It astounds me that there are people who still think that a bonus is a right. It is not! It is a reward given at the total discretion of the giver. You may think you have earned a bonus but just doing your job for which you are paid or not taking sick leave for illegal reasons (i.e. when not actually sick) does not entitle you to a bonus. To ensure a bonus it has to be in the contract of employment as a productivity payment I am sure. Something a large proportion of the workforce would not attain,
What is astounding is you are missing the point entirely and not seeing how this is blatantly wrong on a human level. The fact that a bonus is not a right may be correct but the intention behind with which this has been taken from many is disgusting to say the least and people who back this action and have this mindset are the ones who would have been on the wrong side of history, welcoming in discrimination and bigger picture, communism.
An employer is perfectly entitled to view willful failure to be vaccinated, and potentially endangering colleagues and customers, not to mention the economy as a whole and the livelihoods of thousands of others by keeping numbers below those needed to reopen the borders, as behavior falling short of the good performance needed to warrant a bonus.
It’s pretty simple really.
It is the individuals choice not to get vaccinated OK. But, their choice is affecting other people. It is the individuals choice (in this case ALT) who he gives a bonus to. Yes his choice is affecting others. It is obvious that both parties are exercising their respective rights. So why is one acceptable and the other isn’t?
Because one is basic human rights.
So you have a basic human right to get a bonus? As they say in the Big Apple – get the……..
They are not talking at the bonus you moron. They are referring to the human right to decide what you put in your body. That the vaccine is your decision. Smh
Most people wuld take their bonus and go get a celebratory drink…. No way they would put anything poisonous in their bod…. Oooops…
No it isn’t.
The right to a bonus? Don’t recall where I saw that in the UDHR…
Using a financial incentive is communism?
No, that’s capitalism.
Getting a paycheck is an incentive so I don’t understand your logic.
Woah there..it’s a giant leap from an employer’s right to pay bonuses to Communism…where a bonus does not exist at all.
Their bonus I would imagine would be not being executed.
Well said. One would think that the poster to whom you responded has an extremely limited working knowledge of communism countries and societies.
Communism? LOL. I’ll say this for the USSR they had a damn sight better education system than whatever you dropped out of.
I work for Government for 20 1/2 years. Never was late, never. And only had 9 days sick days. Never. Never got a bonus. Only a thank you for my hard work and good work ethics when i retired.
Ignorant people are mostly certain and astounded when their certainty is not validated. It might interest you to know that some employers who pay next to slave wages encourage their workers to perform so that they can earn bonuses (or gratuity) based on earnings. These employees depend on the bonus (gratuity) as earnings because salary is way below living wages. Yes, bonuses under those conditions, are a right. You earned it and it is yours, and not subject to arbitrary mandates by your employer. Of course, you are probably getting well paid simply for showing up at work and would know nothing about that. Speak to a few of the indentured workers around here. They will put you straight.
It’s like when you’re called to war. You put on a uniform, you gear up and you fight to protect you fellow country people. Why do these people refuse to fight? Gear up, get vaccinated and help the fight against this enemy of the human race!
Deserters get shot in a real war, so diddums if you don’t get your little bonuses😱
People dont want to get vaxxed because they are facebook and instagram scientists.
Researchers while pooping.
That kind of research stinks.
Yes you generally go to fight a war for freedom and protections of rights and for people to make asinine comments like yours.
I can only hope that more Caymanians realise the importance of working for yourself.
Stop spending your lil pension money on nonsense and try to be innovative. Trade till this day is an easy way to create income!Find a solution through service or product and hustle your butt off. I promise you anyone can figure it out,if the do more than talk. Get mad enough and determine enough to start doing!Stop depending on others, who if you don’t realise, never gave or give one real shit about you! Other than a vote or how you contribute to a balanced spreadsheet.
Or you can just think it’s all cool and dandy while your rights are being slowly taken from under you.
*Mr Thompson has every right to share bonuses as he please. But it would be a cold day in hell that I allowed my performance to be measured by my medical status.
Sane and reasonable people’s rights are sadly being taken away simply because people like you will not get with the program.
“sane and reasonable rights.” Are you kidding me? So what about my rights? Our borders have been closed for a a year and a half. Business are suffering, tourism is shot, the government is running out of money, all because of your rights as a minority to not get vaccinated is important to the Government.
I say to the Government, open the borders on October 9 with or without the anti-vaxxers. I hate to say this but we will cull the herd really quick or the vaccine uptake will soar. Trust me when one of these anti-vaxxers have a family member die after being intubated for weeks in the ICU they will get their act together.
Implement a tax. keep the borders as they are until other countries can get their act together or the disease is brought under control.
Simple, if you don’t like working at ALT, get another job..Stop beating up on the man for doing what’s best for his staff, customers and their families.
Stop with this foolishness about bonuses. ALT doesn’t have to give out one if he doesn’t want to..It’s his choice. If only 17 aren’t getting, I’ll still say he is being a generous man.
The COVID vaccines have only been approved for EMERGENCY USE, they DO NOT have full approval. Stop playing on word, we are all human guinea pigs. There is no way for the companies who created the vaccines, scientists or doctors to know what the long term negative affects the vaccine may have on us, let alone the short term as they are shrouded in secrecy – particularly here.
Have you ever had to sign a consent form before to receive a vaccine! NO, why do you think that is required, because it is experimental and you are signing your right away to sue if there are long term consequences of the vaccine. Once they are granted full approval, a consent form will not be required.
Stop attacking people that are making decisions for themselves when it comes to their own health. What next, are you going to force those with Cancer to take treatment if they prefer quality of life over quantity?
I have sat back and listened to the diatribe by the media and posters enough. Leave people alone and let them decide. Start publishing both sides of the argument instead of being so biased. There are risks with taking it, there are risk with not taking it, and everyone needs to weigh those risks in their decision making. STOP TAKING AWAY PEOPLES HUMAN RIGHTS! HSA, STOP GAGGING YOUR DOCTORS AND STOP HIDING THE SHORT TERM AFFECTS SOME ARE HAVING!
The vaccines are not effective against catching the delta variant, only at preventing serious illness and death in some NOT all. The viral load is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated with the delta, therefore you can still give it to the children. People still should be taking the same precautions, vaccinated or unvaccinated. The focus should be on treatment now, not jabbing others with an emergency use/experimental vaccine that is no longer effective for prevention of catching it.
Open the borders, require a mask mandate in public places.
I have to ask – What flavour was the koolaid and just how much did you drink?
I am not sure what issue you have with the above post.
We should not be taking away people’s human rights!
See link to support posters comment about suing:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
There hasn’t been enough time to determine potential long-term effects.
The media posts are biased.
I personally have had a doctor at HSA tell me that they can’t discuss their personal opinion on the vaccines.
People are having some serious short-term side effects, but those certainly are not discussed locally.
There are studies indicating difference efficacy rates for the same vaccine against Delta infection ranging from 40% to 80%, so who really knows. The only thing the studies seem to agree on are that in most it will prevent serious illness or hospitalization, however people have died from Delta after being fully vaccinated.
Viral load:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210803/Unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-have-similar-viral-load-in-communities-high-in-SARS-CoV-2-delta.aspx
Do some research and keep yourself informed before you dispute people’s posts.
The above post is untrue. That is the issue: get vaccinated. If you don’t you are a fool
If you are going to quote a source, for the love of God quote some reliable ones..Where does one go to dig up these anti-vax websites..SMH
Not sure the viral load stats are contentious, actually. And as the poster notes, the real issue is not the viral load, its the consequences in the vaccinated and unvaccinated – way more likely to be hospitalised or die if you are unvaccinated. 25 times more likely.
That Kool Aid must have been laced with an extra dose of ignorance..
Deaf ears, my dear. If what is coming is prophecied, it’s going to happen. Have you made it right with the Lord to do His will?
Thats a lot of words to say you failed high-school science class
I read EMERGENCY and stopped reading. Capitalising words doesn’t make you right, it makes you look stupid. FYI the 3 major vaccines are likely to get FDA full use approval in the next 2 months… you’re going to need new material.
No new material required.
Just a flat no is all I need.
Or, mind your own business.
“The COVID vaccines have only been approved for EMERGENCY USE, they DO NOT have full approval. Stop playing on word, we are all human guinea pigs. There is no way for the companies who created the vaccines, scientists or doctors to know what the long term negative affects the vaccine may have on us, let alone the short term as they are shrouded in secrecy – particularly here.”
FDA is expected to give full approval in the coming months. Would that change your decision? Long term side effects are not expected to be an issue. If there were any, we would have seen them by now in the phase 3 experimental group. You do realize a vaccine needs to go through extensive testing just to secure an EUA right?
“Have you ever had to sign a consent form before to receive a vaccine! NO, why do you think that is required, because it is experimental and you are signing your right away to sue if there are long term consequences of the vaccine. Once they are granted full approval, a consent form will not be required.”
You still won’t be able to sue after full FDA approval. It wasn’t a problem for any other vaccine and it won’t be an issue for this one. Keep in mind, 20 years of data has proven vaccines are safe to take and once a vaccine has been approved for use, it has never once been recalled. This is the reason vaccine manufacturers have been granted this by law in the US:
42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 – Standards of responsibility
No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings.
“Stop attacking people that are making decisions for themselves when it comes to their own health. What next, are you going to force those with Cancer to take treatment if they prefer quality of life over quantity?”
Cancer is not contagious, Covid is. You refusing the vaccine does impact others around you. This argument is a false equivalency.
“I have sat back and listened to the diatribe by the media and posters enough. Leave people alone and let them decide. Start publishing both sides of the argument instead of being so biased. There are risks with taking it, there are risk with not taking it, and everyone needs to weigh those risks in their decision making. STOP TAKING AWAY PEOPLES HUMAN RIGHTS! HSA, STOP GAGGING YOUR DOCTORS AND STOP HIDING THE SHORT TERM AFFECTS SOME ARE HAVING!”
There is no “both sides” there is the science, and there is rubbish. You’re paranoia and your misinformation don’t belong on the same shelf as Science and Fact. You are absolutely free not to take the vaccine but don’t expect businesses and government make your life easy for this decision. Try not paying your taxes and see what happens…
“The vaccines are not effective against catching the delta variant, only at preventing serious illness and death in some NOT all. The viral load is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated with the delta, therefore you can still give it to the children. People still should be taking the same precautions, vaccinated or unvaccinated. The focus should be on treatment now, not jabbing others with an emergency use/experimental vaccine that is no longer effective for prevention of catching it.”
The vaccine actually does decrease your chance of contracting Covid by at least 3x lower from the Delta variant… so you’re wrong once again.
Source: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/227713/coronavirus-infections-three-times-lower-double/
As explained earlier, “EUA” and “Experimental” are completely different things. Other than that I would agree with the rest of this paragraph. Get the vaccine.
For your information I have been vaccinated! I am just sick and tired of the condescending, self-righteous, arrogant individuals on this forum. Do you see the unvaccinated spewing vitriol at the vaccinated?
The only reason they are trying to get full FDA approval before 2023 which was the expected date is to try to get those that are not vaccinated to change their mind. Obviously you don’t know the meaning of long-term, a relatively small number of people in a limited study for less than a year is NOT long-term. Millions of people being vaccinated for a year and not being followed or studied is not long term. “Long term side effects are not expected to be an issue.” Obviously that is what they think and hope, but they don’t know. We don’t expect a lot of things to happen, but they end up happening.
You do hear what you are saying correct? “20 years of data has proven vaccines are safe to take and once a vaccine has been approved for use”. They have spent more time developing and studying these vaccines, that is what has makes them proven safe. The mRNA vaccines are new technology never used in humans before.
There are two sides and it is based on science, I once again reiterate there are risks with taking the vaccine and risks with not taking it. It is wise to consider all possible outcomes when making decisions. It seems to me that the aggressiveness of people on here against people who don’t want to take the vaccine, indicates that you are bereft of understanding and consideration of why they are making that decision. Don’t get me wrong, if people are deciding not to get it because of this nonsense about microchips, making you magnetic, etc. that is not a legitimate reason. As for infertility, obviously at this point that would be too early to tell, as the window of testing and the length of time people have been vaccinated is too short. If people keep themselves informed they will discover the impact it is having in women’s breasts and effects on menstrual cycles.
Your one link is irrelevant, the studies keep coming and they keep showing different results on contracting the Delta variant. The only commonality is the prevention of serious illness and death. The decision making process for a 20 year old is going to be very different than a 40, 50 or 60 year old.
Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated need to stop behaving like ostriches.
So the fact that the vaccine is “only” effective at preventing serious illness or death isn’t enough of a reason to get it? Jesus wept.
To focus on a few of the more glaringly bad points that you make:
1) I have signed a consent form every year when I get my flu vaccine. I have signed a consent form for every vaccination my child has got. I have signed a consent form every time I have had surgical treatment. Attempting to use the need for signing a consent form to suggest some sort of extraordinary or unusual risk is not simply wrong, it is dishonest.
2) It is impossible to know what the long term effects are of anything until the long term has been reached. On your model, no medical treatment could possibly be approved until many years after it was developed. That is simply not the way that medical testing works, not least because side effects of a vaccine almost invariably become apparent within a matter of a few weeks.
3)https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-what-are-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines-3-things-to-know may be a useful read on how vaccines work, in particular how long the actual vaccine remains in the system (as opposed to the immunity it provokes) and how the scale of Covid vaccination provides an almost unprecedented data set from which to draw conclusions.
4) Cancer is a poor analogy, as it is not infectious, nor susceptible to vaccination, and therefore poses zero risk to others in the community. That is not the case here: at the very least, someone who can be vaccinated but refuses to be materially increases the risk to those who cannot be.
5) The Delta variant is one of a number of variants. The current data shows not only that vaccination does reduce the risk of infection with other variants very significantly, but also that the risk of infection with Delta is mitigated (see Imperial College REACT-1 study, concluding that vaccinated people were approximately 50-60% less likely to become infected).
6) The reason that one side of the argument is favoured is because it is backed up with a wealth of rigorous scientific data as opposed to rumour and conspiracy theory.
7) Even if it was right that “Short term effects some are having” are being concealed as the result of a conspiracy between the entirety of the local medical profession, not all of whom work for the HSA (which is perhaps a little unlikely), short term side effects are an astonishingly poor reason not to take a vaccine which substantially reduces the risk of serious illness.
8) It is of course entirely proper that people should make decisions for themselves. However, when those decisions are based on a flawed premise, it is unreasonable to expect not to be called out on that, or indeed to be exposed to potentially negative consequences.
Covid vaccines have been approved for emergency use because there is an emergency, and approach you take is no different from running away from the lifeboats on the Titanic because you aren’t certain whether they will float. I hope that there are still some left when you finally realise that they do.
1) Of course you have to give consent for children. I have never taken a flu vaccine, therefore I cannot comment on that. However, in the last 4 years, I have received a booster shot, Hep A, Hep B and NO I was not required to sign a consent form.
2) Exactly my point, right now we are all guinea pigs. Normally individuals sign up and agree to be part of medical studies, they are not forced into it. Obviously we are grateful to those individuals so medical treatments can be approved, however approval generally takes much longer than a year.
3) The key here being conventional vaccines that have been tested over time, not mRNA ones and testing/development of less than a year. Personally I regret taking this vaccine, my preference would have been to hold out for a different vaccine, but the approval date keeps being pushed due to manufacturing issues.
4) Human rights.
5) I didn’t say it wasn’t mitigated, but at a much lower percentage than the other variants.
6) I am not referring to conspiracy theories, I think you are stretching it a bit to say it is rigorous scientific data, how many people are they really following after taking the vaccine? It seems like people don’t care about those that have had negative side effects, maybe they would if it was their loved one.
7) I am referring to all side effects, some short some long. I am not going to get into specifics, but I personally know people who have had life altering effects. Not just here – the doctors are always saying undiagnosed preexisting conditions. There is no way to know if it was preexisting if it wasn’t an issue prior to the vaccine, one could logically deduce that it was brought on by the vaccine. Don’t fool yourself into believing that all doctors and nurses are on board with this vaccine, here or throughout the world. I have talked to some doctors here and abroad with mixed reactions. One who is not comfortable with it, but took it. One who very conveniently said they encourage all their patients to take it, but didn’t indicate if they did or not. Read between the lines. One that said they wouldn’t have taken it, but for the reason they had to travel. A few nurses, who encourage all other vaccines are refusing to take it up to this point.
8) Not all people that refusing to take the vaccine have fallen down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
9) Not applicable, as I have stated earlier I have taken it!
Good for ALT
Have fun dealing with the Labour Board ALT for breaching the Labour Law.
No breach so no concern. Thanks.
Is it a breach of the labor law to offer bonuses to those that are protecting themselves and their community? Al T isn’t forcing its staff to get the vaccine, they are incentivizing those that did get it! There is a big difference.
Bonuses are optional, get it ?
It’s obvious, bone head that they OP is not referring simply to the bonus. They are talking about twisting the arm of employees to take a vaccine that they are hesitant to get.
There are scores of once hesitant people in hospitals across the globe now begging for the vaccine. Where have you been getting your information from bonehead, The Bedrock News?
1:37 and Government twisted arms for vaccines with free Whoppers. 🤣
Horrible, I will never be back. I hope those remaining 17 find new jobs, with respectable bosses who do not pressure, coerce, and force their employees to do something they are not comfortable with.
To my understanding, they are only just not getting the bonus. They are not being fired. I agree that people shouldn’t be fired for not taking the vaccine. Louis Rossman had an amazing rant about it on YouTube and I agree with a lot of the points he brings up.
https://youtu.be/3roD8cKdJlY
Those unvaccinated people are the ones choosing to force something on people that we are uncomfortable with. I do not want to interact with an employee at the check out or in the aisles who is not vaccinated. I am not comfortable with that. Every company with public-facing employees should require their staff to protect those customers by getting vaccinated.
If they don’t like it, get other jobs. Same as the people who come here on work permits who are being forced to leave the country if they are unvaccinated. Can’t have one rule for one and another for others. That’s racially discriminatory.
You have been interacting with them all this time fool. I was vaccinated when the first round were made available, however I recognize that not many jumped off to do the same as it was their decision. However, to say you do not want to interact with someone unvaxxed is stupid. We have been for month and month. You are still alive to write you dumbass comment.
Your perspective is myopic in the extreme at best. We are going to be re-opening. When that happens the unvaccinated will disproportionately get and transmit the virus. I don’t want to interact with people more likely to transmit the virus either. Thank you for your forward thinking ALT.
@1:40p you do know we are re-opening soon..we are good now. It’s after we re-open that AL’T and the rest of Cayman are worried about..
For everyone who say they will not ‘be back’ there are at least 3 who will prefer to deal exclusively with ALT because of this thoughtful approach to community safety.
Where there are 3 there are 5 who won’t
Well, they won’t be able to go to Miami to shop soon once the USA requires proof of vaccination announced. If Cox and Kirks do the same thing ALT is doing, not sure where they will shop then.
It would be really interesting to see the market impact of a reverse move from ACE, Kirks or Cocx – announcing that they DONT ask their employees to confirm their vaccination status or incentivise the to get vaccinated. Something tells me people wont flock to them from ALT!
Well , if you are an expat and anti vaccine you certainly won’t be back, cause the government isn’t going to give you a work permit.
its all very simple:
to drive a car and protect others…you need to be tested, have insurance and carry proof of passing a test.
does this sound familar to anybody?
Driving a car is not a medical procedure. I think it is you who maybe very simple.
Medical procedure. Bobo you’re hilarious.
That doesn’t require you to inject anything into your body does it? If you are going to post use some intelligence, in you post.
so you believe the smae about polio and small pox vaccines?
well done alt!
time to face down the anti-vaxx nonsense.
I applaud Al T for this. It is time that the private sector took a stand to reinforce the need for everyone to get vaccinated for the sake of our community. It is time for all other large employers in the private sector to follow suit. The reality is that all large companies are operating on the front line, in some way, and this means interaction with other people whether they be colleagues, customers or suppliers. Employers have a responsibility which goes beyond the individual. They have a responsibility to ensure that everyone in their environment is safe and this means encouraging vaccinations in anyway they can.
In the next few months we will be opening up to the outside world and it is very likely that Covid will appear here at some point. As the recent experience in the UK and US has shown those becoming seriously ill and dying are almost always unvaccinated. People not getting vaccinated are fooling themselves that they will be OK.
Class action lawsuit?
On what basis? ALT has been entirely reasonable and proper in the circumstances.
As probable as Unicorns in ALT’s parking lot.
We need to know breakdown of people who had the vaccine. Work permit/PR vs caymanian.
Why? All are equal and live and work in these islands
No, they are not, and you would be deaf, dumb, and blind not to know everyone is not equal in Cayman.
Oh wow, could never imagine the erosion of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS for the COLLECTIVE is happening as we speak.
I’ll hazard a guess you’re fine with the individual rights of non Caymanians being curtailed for the collective benefit of Caymanians though ?
You forget that many people here are not part of your “flock”.
If you have any adverse reaction they should be held responsible.
Their own bodies
CNS!! If you post this which I doubt, how can you say:
“There continues to be significant misinformation circulating on social media platforms, such as the apparently plausible but false claims that the vaccines are experimental”
You cannot be serious! here read for yourself!
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-highly-effective
YOU CNS are NOW spreading misinformation!
Lets see you post this!
CNS: It’s amazing, and depressing, how often people post links without reading them properly, or at all. I think you just found the heading on Google and rushed to try to prove whatever point you thought you were making. So, first look at the date of that page on the NIH. It’s more than a year old (July 2020). Then read this: FALSE: COVID-19 vaccines are experimental
Or the FDA: Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained
However, you might also want to actually read the page you linked. It’s very informative.
Anti-vaxxers grasping at straws and unable to understand a year 10 biology textbook. Then telling us the vaccine is bad. Am I the only one getting sick of debunking their rubbish information?
You mean like your total mis-understanding of ‘anti-vaxxer’? Get a life and stop vilifying just because not everyone agrees with your viewpoint.
Disgusting precedent being set here.
Well done ALT leading from the front .
Shame PACT won’t follow suit with Civil Servants
We need more “No Vax Taxes”!
Government cannot lawfully mandate it for work permit holders without also mandating it for expatriate civil servants.
People do realize that you are not entitled to a bonus, you are only entitled to you monthly salary. A bonus is an extra gift that the company chooses to give to their staff.
You’re talking to people who view sick days as an extension of their paid vacation.
You are blatantly wrong. My company actually includes details about a bonus (if/when) in my contract.
Maybe that applies to the lame company where you work but unless you know, just keep your trap shut.
Even word your response as a question not like you are full of knowledge. If you really ARE, then state that you work for AT’s and know this for a fact..
I mean I am sure those 17 people will really miss that $100 gift card (to be spent at AT’s lol jk)
Agreed. It is someone’s right not be be vaccinated but it is also the right of the employer to not give a bonus. It is not illegal it is discretionary. To the people dissing ALT etc, you can’t have it both ways with regards to rights.
Thank you Al’t!
Where are all of the other large employers? No cajones? Where is the Chamber of Commerce Members? They need to step up before the border opens and have their employees get at least the first shot before they re-open. If they decide not to take the shot there needs to be a ongoing testing program in place.
All Government front-line people should be vaccinated or at the very least tested on a regular basis as well.
I agree. Well done Al T. Not only does the chamber need do something but what about all the churches. They should be encouraging their flock to get a jab or two.
Why in the world would you thank ALT for systematic discrimination and dehumanisation?
You notice that the larger the “us” herd gets, the more they approve of discrimination of the “them”? Yeah. Not the first time in history. The herding instinct is strong with you.
I have taken the jab. Wish I hadn’t. I won’t help you applaud the denigration of our fellow citizens. I feel sorry for you. Truly.
Sad sad sad
Happy, happy, happy!
I wonder how much the bonus is? A $100 gift certificate to ALT?
More than you’ll be getting…
I actually have an amazing boss who does NOT force or pressure any of us into taking some vaccine. They understand that we all as individuals have the right to decide for ourselves. I get huge bonuses every year, my employers recognize that we as employees are the backbone of the company, so na honey I am just fine.
Oh My, don’t try to be logical… Caymanians hate logic. Let’s see, we elect a convicted felon. We elect an admitted domestic violence offender. We elect stupid guys that look at the moon to… Oh never mind.
And I suspect you are lying!!!!!
Most often, to get a HUGE bonus every year, you have to be smart. Since you’re obviously stupid, you’re probably lying.
Good for ALT! You ask most of the unvaxed why and they will give you the stupidest reasons – most based on false information and conspiracy theories. Well stupid people, you can’t take a conspiracy theory to the bank like a bonus cheque!
I doubt very seriously if you could handle a true sit-down debate. I doubt very seriously you’ve done a fraction of the vetted medical research I have, or even that you could understand what you are reading if you had.
You are part of the happy herd that enjoys being on the winning side. Intelligent, confident people are willing to change their minds when presented with persuasive intel they’ve not seen before; not you though. You would stick to your great guns of persecution until the very end.
I imagine you a person who keeps talking louder and louder, until the person you are “debating” with just gives up. I feel sorry for you. You’ll have an opportunity to look back on these days in the future and evaluate your humanity.
Be safe.
I think it’s pretty clear that you haven’t understood the research you claim to have read very well.
Lol – you have done “vetted medical research.” I hope that you are a specialist in the medical field then. Get over yourself.
Do you believe the earth is flat? Just asking.
Dat wa ya get
Covid-19 the perfect virus!
Paul says…”It’s just Benign
Alexandria… “Only a little Mischievous”
Akeem…”Oh it’s Debilitating”
Sasha…”This is dangerous and Fatal”
*Group Poll Summary: We are certain we are correct!
Vaxxers…Get the vaccines they are helpful
Anti-Vaxxers…Don’t get the vaccines they are harmful
*Group Poll Summary: We are certain we are correct!
(Statistical Mathematics eludes the vast majority)
21st Century Primitive Homo Sapiens can find NO consensus on how to eradicate Covid-19.
Covid-19 Wins!
A formidable opponent wins by exploiting a weakness. Humans are becoming more selfish and individualistic so less likely to work together for the common good. This is our weakness, a virus sooner or later will wipe us out if we don’t come together.
We have a consensus, the solution is the vaccine. The majority of people on island have taken it. Therefore humanity wins. The few idiots who decide not to take it will have to deal with the consequences of that action. Maybe nothing happens to them, maybe they get sick and hospitalized or die. That’s their decision and I can’t for the life of me figure out why we are all held hostage by a stubborn minority.
Because the stupid, ignorant, stubborn MINORITY will doom the majority – the/any virus is smarter than they are and will prevail. Sad, but true. The stupid is our anchor! We will sink with it.
Hostage? you are the one wanting to bring an epidemic to Cayman. The current system works. We are lucky we don’t have lockdowns/deaths. It will be ironic when you must vaccinate open border types end up in hospital because you up ended the quarantine controls in place. I am sure ALT is making money, Kirks, Fosters and all the law firms. Commerce here probably had its best year ever with he lack of flying off to Miami.