PPM not accepting ‘will of people’
(CNS): Premier Designate Wayne Panton has confirmed that his group met with the Progressive leader, Roy McTaggart, on Saturday but the meeting lasted just fifteen minutes because, Panton said, the PPM is still not grasping the reality of the election result and the mounting pressure from the public for a government led by Independent candidates. He said he reached out to McTaggart to provide the party with an opportunity to be represented in the next government but after a short time it was clear the Progressives have not yet accepted the results of the elections.
While the horsetrading continues, Panton stressed that twelve Independent candidates were elected, as opposed to seven Progressive members, and PACT believes it is clear the next government should be led by Independents.
“My team have asked that we make the best efforts to have a government that is robust, reflective and inclusive of the broadest cross section of our community, including Cayman Brac and Little Cayman,” Panton said in a statement from his office late Saturday afternoon.
“It is on that basis that I approached the Progressives. Unfortunately, it is clear they have not yet accepted the results of the elections and the will of the people and the meeting ended after 15 minutes. My team is busy meeting over the weekend finalising the composition of the Cabinet and expects to make an announcement on Monday,” he added.
McTaggart issued a brief statement Saturday suggesting that the meeting he had was about the possibility of forming a coalition government between the PPM-Alliance and the Independents who are still a part of Panton’s group. However, all but three of the Independents remain part of his group, with just one being inside McTaggart’s Alliance.
The current count of PACT members is nine, so Panton needs one more MP to give him a working majority. However, he has not indicated who this tenth member might be, the possibilities being Isaac Rankine, McKeeva Bush or a member of the PPM-Alliance who is ready to jump ship.
While twelve Independents were elected in the first past the post races in the 19 constituencies, the challenge for them is that they were not running on a collective platform, leaving each candidate free to negotiate after the elections rather than having already made a commitment before.
Nevertheless, eight of the elected independents have stuck together since the night of their election, other than Sabrina Turner’s brief negotiations with the PPM, and have persuaded a ninth, Jay Ebanks, to join them. However, the seven Progressives plus the solidly loyal Dwayne Seymour still have Rankine on their side, unless he can be persuaded to rejoin the PACT group.
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Sounds like corruption to the point of being totally dysfunctional. In other words maybe a little less corruption and it might work. That’s the best Cayman can do?
Boy our people is ungrateful.
Alden led this country with class a year ago, but some how we already forgotten that.
I clearly remember that everyone was out and about saying that they are exercising and look around now but to normal. I am so glad that the Government made a few hundreds off of them.
My point is look around now, the roads are still full but how are the vehicles being driven without gas. Money is circulating here in Cayman and we are still being ungrateful.
My people, all I do is shake my head..
I see. So because you think Alden saved us from Covid he gets a free pass for he and his friends to sell the country to the developers and the merchant class? How about we thank him for his service with a gong and move on.
What about the other three years prior? Are we supposed to let all of the things done (or not done) slide?
Yes, credit where credit is due, they did handle the COVID crisis well. But lets not forger about everything else.
Time for UK to institute direct rule to bring us back to our senses.
We can’t even manage to get a simple election right. How can we then be expected to run our own country after this mess?
We have elected a bunch of idiots and they’re all playing the part to it’s fullest.
Fool!
In most civilised places it can take months, even more, to form a functional government through coalition.
How in the @#£& you expect this little 2×4 place to outclass these far more advanced places!
And while you reading what I wrote – shut up about direct rule – you don’t have a clue what that would actually look and feel like.
INDEPENDENTS keep pussyfooting around PPM has also been negotiating with MCKEEVA and remember as the Good Book tell us “PRIDE COMES BEFORE FALL …”
Lies!
You do realize that the PPM has been in bed with McKeeva for 8 years and the whole reason behind them calling for an early election. They had many chances to kick him out but for political expediency and to hold on to power they kept him until their hands were forced and then it was either let him go or call an early election and since they didn’t have the ball s to let him go, they called an early election.
JOHN-JOHN keep your stand. BE A MAN OF YOUR WORD .
I voted for Mario in WBW, and it’s a sad state of affairs what is happening now. 27 voters who believed a new fridge/washing machine/new roof job has us in a situation now where the INDs have to hope Isaac comes back, or form a govt with Mac…
Precisely. Thank you to the sell outs and the silent. 😒
or 27 voters who refused to vote
Not 27 votes.14 votes. Because 14 votes taken from McKeeva and given to Mario would have made a different result.
East End stand our grounds, Issac openly during his campaign said he was willing to work with any Government and he was endorsed by PPM the night before elections and we voted him knowing this. He is not a TRAITOR, we knew before we elected him that he was supported by PPM. LET STAND BEHIND OUR CANDIDATE and OUR decision. If we wanted Independence we would have voted ARDEN back!! EAST END FIRST.
? When he became an MP, the Cayman Islands became first.
Are you crazy! His constituents gave him a mandate. If we were fighting another country then Cayman first. In the meanwhile EE candidate of choice was a PPM rep.
Yes, and the “PPM” also endorsed Heather, who was literally aligned with Wayne. Alden likes to play games, and this is the type of thing he does.
Isaac stated that he was willing to work with whichever government got elected, so that’s why he met with Alden during his campaign. However, most independents were able to reach an agreement to form a government, and Isaac signed his name on the document. So what made him change his mind so quickly?
Who the hell wants moon man besides the PPM? Geesh hope the PACT group don’t get that desperate. I would take McKeeva over him any day. At least sometimes McKeeva can talk a little sense.
The Only TRUE politician and holding the TRUMP card
WILLIAM MCKEEVA BUSH. PPM rejected him INDEPENDENCE rejected him but they both need him and he was DULY Elected by WEST BAY WEST. May God continue bless you SIR and guide you on your selection of the best of the TWO EVILS . MAC you got this🙏🙏
He should be in jail !!!!!!
People who are saying that the independents should form a government with the PPM seem to not understand that the PPM have different values and they don’t care about what’s best for the country and are only concerned with money and power.
Now is the chance for one or two PPM members to prove that they have an ounce of integrity by jumping ship. There’s talk about putting egos aside? Leave the damn party and do what’s best for the country instead of trying to make Alden/Kurt/Dart happy.
So If Alden and the Progressive weren’t about the Best Interest of the Caymanian people. Who took this country through the worst pandemic Globally?. And who created the most vibrant economy the Cayman Islands have ever seen. Did all this dropped out of the skies? Your statement is farfetched and hinged more on the jealousy and the personality of Dart, Kurt and Alden.
To 12:25pm: one pandemic vs 10 years of unemployment. Ten years of increasing cost of living, 15 years of sub-standard education. The pandemic will pass and we will be left eating our own excrement while the likes of Dart and the Red Bay developer decimate our mangroves. Typical POM supported: only thinks about today and yourself while tomorrow and others go to hell.
The UK through the Governor, the lady who provided from her own pocket, WHO and others all took Cayman through this, just happened to be during their time in office. Still no mask and an insult to donkeys! Hope never have to hear that disgraceful babbele again!
Yeah, nothing says integrity like jumping ship from the party platform you ran on that your constituents voted for.
I see what you’re saying, but Moses and Juliana will always be re-elected no matter what party they are, because they’re like gods in the Brac. While they lack integrity, both are ready to jump ship.
Jumping ship means getting the best for the Brac community. Is that bad?
I never said that was bad. The independents are forming a government, and now they have an opportunity to change sides, which they’re likely to do.
Don’t know what the independents want….. other than Minister salaries.
They have no manifesto, just a bunch of district representatives with local community hopes and wishes, but without experience to enact a National effort.
No team, no manifesto, no experience..no collective solution.
The independents have PEOPLE who are willing to work on the ground for the betterment of all. PPM is for the old and the rich; the ones you do not see actually sweating for charity. PPM is for those who are not struggling because all doors open to their checkbook keys.
…this is the reason we need to get rid of single seat constituencies, the so-called OMOV, first past the post electoral system. This system promotes “locality” politics only and members self interest.
We need multi-seat constituencies so that we can have choices, please.
Absolutely! It makes sense to me! Get rid of those money-loving PPM creeps!
go wayne go! you doing a good thing! i am a native and support you 1000%😊😇
I listened to part of the mob hostage instigator’s commentary on Facebook during the invasion of EE yesterday and was appalled at the name calling and derogatory terms used towards the good people of EE. It appears that IR needed a police escort to move out of EE. Is he and his family now going to need police protection?Why on earth would IR even want to be associated with this group of people now? To sit at the table after being berated and ostracized for making decisions he believes are the best for his district and Cayman?
I am so disappointed that Premier-Designate WP has been so silent about this type of incitement and am now very concerned about his ability to be a true and compassionate leader. Does he condone this type of behavior? Not what I expected at all. People are free to protest but this can be done respectfully and not with threats and bullying. Is this what we can expect from PACT government supporters going forward?
Totally agree. He is now part of the problem for not standing up against this. This is not the kind of people we want in the ear of our leaders.
I am so disappointed that Premier-Designate WP has been so silent about this type of incitement and am now very concerned about his ability to be a true and compassionate leader. Does he condone this type of behavior?
Even if he doesn’t condone that type of behavior, he obviously has no control over it. He made his bed, and now he seems willing to lie in it.
Declare a stalemate and call new elections. The Cayman people are fed up with this horse@#*4 – and I don’t mean horse trading.
A national vote!
The only people fit to govern in my opinion:
Wayne Panton
Roy McTaggart
Andre Ebanks.
I don’t really have an issue with Heather Bodden or Chris Saunders, who have both spent time in the LA previously.
At least Bernie has shown us he has a spine.
Might as well give Katherine a chance.
Kenneth is a convicted criminal but at least he seems to care for and stay connected with his people.
But the rest of them. NO SAH!
JuJu and John John need to go back to Sunday school.
Isaac and Sabrina are clearly sellouts.
Jay just seems like a straight up idiot after watching the Chamber debates.
Joey and Alden are owned by lodge.
David and Barbara are the biggest waste of space in the LA.
All Moses cares about are his and his family’s business interests.
And let’s not forget the woman beater himself.
It is quite concerning that this is the group of 19 we got. How many of them have university degrees? How many even graduated high school? How do we have convicted criminals in the mix?
We need a national election as well as a more extensive set of qualifications a candidate must possess in order to be eligible to run.
Well said
I like Wayne, but this thirst to form a government is consuming him, and having to appease the rabble-rousing crowd that he now co-owns with his cohorts will forever debase him. It must feel like a punch in the gut just to look at the demands, and spelling, on some of the placards that his new supporters are waiving in his face every time he sets foot outside.
Will he go before other world, or even just Caribbean, leaders and try to explain why 7 people are preventing 12 people from forming a government?
Less than three days after the election, the group that claimed to be People-centred has shown us that they are really just centred on four people, namely Wayne Panton,
Chris Saunders, Kenneth Bryan, and Alric Lindsay.
Alric Lindsay did not get elected, so they had to use up all of their political capital, in the form of promised Ministerial Cabinet posts, to purchase the support of three West Bayers and Sabrina Turner.
Wayne can count, so when he references the PPM not accepting the will of the people, he really means that he believes instead of the PPM 7, the people want his 7 which are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Alric not being elected, and the other four bought and paid for with Cabinet promises.
I wish Wayne good luck in getting Sandra Catron (another stain on his character) to live stream, Instagram, and do whatever else it takes to convince the people of East End and North Side that it is fair and equitable for West Bay to have three cabinet ministers, including two rookies, because NS & EE haven’t elected anyone smart enough to do the job.
Wayne can’t be Premier! His slate is not experienced to run this country they are Junior’s or recently elected. Wayne please stop being power hungry and work for what’s best for the country.
Who do you think is experienced then? As none of the others have done a good job either.
What is best for the country is NOT going back to PPM. Wayne is providing the country with an opportunity to gain to government they WANT. Independents who are FOR the people of these islands, not money hungry PPM show horses doing Kurt and Dart’s biddings.
The ‘In-deep-end- ants’ have some good individuals but collectively are a mess. Imagine thinking that a government with 2 people familiar to the police and courts end up in powerful positions.
I don’t know if my math is wrong, please tell me……
Total ind contested 41
Total ind winners 12
Ind winning % = 12/41= 29.26%
Total PPM contested 8
Total PPM winners 7
PPM winning % = 7/8= 87.5 %
Gotta love the use of stats by both groups, reminds me of how they all have and will use numbers to fools us about everything.
What about this, independent won 12/19, same time atleast one independent lost 19/19.
PPM votes: 3,380
Independent votes: 13,650
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Caymanian_general_election
This is not correct. You can only count the votes for those that were successful.
There were far more impendent candidates running, so obviously there will be a larger percentage in their favour.
Run the numbers on only the winners in each district/consituient against the total of votes and the total of collective votes for all winners.
This information is more useful.
I would but I’m not interested. I’m a statistician and more interested in getting beneficial data versus data that serves to value and used to mislead.
If 5 candidates run in one constituency of which 4 are IND and 1 is PPM clearly more IND are going to lose regardless of whether an IND or PPM wins the seat. Logic dictates a formal political party (such as PPM) isn’t going to stack the deck with candidates in a single constituency and risk splitting the vote in favor of an opponent, hence the obviously lower total number of PPM candidates who even ran. IND candidates clearly won in terms of total candidates elected, even if you remove one or two who ran as IND merely for convenience (e.g. McKeeva). If you want to be overly technical then compare the total number of votes received by IND candidates vs PPM candidates as a percent of total votes cast. Frankly, that’s probably the most fair way to compare the outcome as it accounts for the population differences in constituencies.
Thank YOU!!! That’s what I have been saying. If PPM had challenged all those seats they could have picked up a few. But truth is they contested 9 seat. They lost 2. Austin Harris and Cornwall but 7 of 9 is still far better than 12/41.
The next thing is how you claim all independents are on your side by virtue of them voting for an independent. Maybe they have different values than you do!! Maybe they even can’t stand for what you stand for!!
Your theory of anyone not PPM is against what PPM stands for is seriously flawed.
PPM chose not to run in EE and NS because they liked the candidates running and opted to support them.
In BT John John was a KNOWN PPM supporter but you want to claim his numbers also.
Now look at Independents courting MBush, the same man WP left PPM because of. Why even take a meeting with him?? Just taking the meeting was a bridge too far.
Now look at WP wielding a mob to go terrorize candidates to side with them. Do you see PPM terrorizing Andre or Johany or Isaac or Sabrina?
This is starting to look like the US riots at the Capital. If the PPM takes the Premiership will these idiots storm the LA? Is this who we are as a people now?
My hope is still for Roy to be the bigger man and try to work with the Independents to grant them some positions in government. We need a unity government more than ever.
To 8:16 am, Mr Panton is a second time elect, Mr Saunders is a second time elect, Ms Bodden is a second time elect, Mr Bryan is a second time elect, Mr Bush is a second time elect and are capable of running a Great government – one for the people and not special interest!!
They have no real running the government experience. Sanders was opposition all the time. Bryan and Bush have been mostly back seat and so was Heather.
Of all of them WP has the most to offer but the rest are 2nd year rookies.
LOL And Mac?
There’s some on the PPM side that should be familIar to the police and courts too.
Wayne and Roy (Alden) you are behaving like divorcees fighting over access rights to the children.
The other 16, I say you demand that these 3 step aside and try to form a sensible, bi-partisan coalition that could benefit Cayman.
The old ways are just no longer working.
Roy (C4C turn PPM)
Wayne (PPM founding member and Donor)
Alden (_____ you can fill in the blanks)
Time changes everything and so should you – this is no longer a place for old men (particularly, them alone).
All this talk about Caymanians can’t afford to buy land. Please tell me who is selling the land?
Our own Caymanians dont want to sell to our own because if they do the land would be cheaper for us to buy. They rather to sell to the people who can afford it and more develop it.
Simple 1 2 3. The PPM did not sell the land that DART and other investors purchased.
Come on my people it’s time to stop this madness and look in the mirror.
And also who believes that in this capitalist society the government can have any major control over real estate prices? It’s called supply and demand folks. The government already gives some stamp duty concessions to first time Caymanian buyers. Much more than that will get distorted and corrupted. If you think simplistically that a new government is going to somehow make it easier for our children and grandchildren to afford a house – you are delusional. Cayman is expensive, always has been, always will be.
In countries like Singapore, expats are only allowed to purchase condos, not raw land. This allows only Singaporeans to purchase land. It’s a novel way to deal with the increasing problem, but enacting such restrictions takes vision. Vision that our leaders lack…
True but they also have about ~7800 people per km2 vs our ~256.
Density can be contained in high-rise condominiums and there is three times the amount of land in Singapore compared to Grand Cayman. If foreigners are allowed to continue obtain residency in part by buying raw land, with the number of people coming here now, they could buy up most of the land quickly on speculation. What Singapore did is a good idea.
Except that isn’t really true.
Some landed properties can be bought without restrictions and SG registered Companies can buy and develop raw land if the Gov’t allows it. Guess who owns some SG Companies. Foreigners or they are publicly traded and have a mix of owners or may even trade on a foreign stock exchange.
Comparing Cayman to Singers is laughable at best.
From fishing village to financial centre, both have achieved this accolade.
Given how differently developed both countries are, I can see why the comparison is laughable, but it shouldn’t be dismissed.
9:57pm you hit the nail on its head. Nuff respect. I sat in front of Wayne and Heather and they both was very upset because Alden never denounce Big Mac.
Shame on you Wayne and Heather.
I no long have respect for you both. Don’t come by my house again if this is really your intention.
Big Mac would be a fool to take your side.
7:59 am Agreed! I could sense the nonsense from Wayne and Heather. I listened to them,but I knew better than to vote for Heather.
It’s easily argued that the PPM is driving the alternative. At this stage the PPM appears to be the back chaser but instead of taking the initiative and collectively forming a partisan Govt upholding ‘what’s right avoiding any McBeater participation, they’d rather dig their heels in and potentially force the hand of PACT. As many have posted, this isn’t about the electorate or the Cayman Islands any more
😔 *significant error – should be bipartisan
I know this will find a lot of haters but I am gonna write it anyway.
So Wayne saying “Will of the People”. Huuumm. Interesting.
The only way I know to effectively see “The will of the people” is to look at head to head. If PPM candidates were beaten by independent candidates in the majority of head to heads then yeah I would agree “will of the people” was to remove PPM from power.
Here are the facts. Non disputable.
PPM ran 9 candidates and was affiliated with another via an Alliance. Of the 9 candidates, who all ran against Independent candidates mine you, PPM won 7 times. Likewise, the affiliated alliance member won his seat against another Independent candidate. That makes PPM and their affiliate 8 out of 10. Or put another way 8 wins and 2 losses. To me that’s hardly, if at all, any statement of “will of the people”. In fact the argument goes the other way.
Fact is PPM did not run candidates in many areas such as West Bay. You can hardly say some kind of mandate when one party is not running there.
Likewise in East End and Northside. They did not run candidates but instead supported the two winning candidates.
I say all this to say the “Will of the people” statement is basically crap.
If I were reading the tea leaves it would say to me that the will of the people is a more inclusive government and this is what needs to be done. Wayne and Roy need to get together for a power sharing agreement. One becomes Premier and the other Deputy. Major campaign promises are laid on the table and pre-blessed and taken up in year 1 with interval commitments. Split ministries down the middle and junior ministers.
The “will of the people” is for us to have all hands on deck and the best government possible for the people.
It’s time to put ego aside and get on with the country’s business.
I’m confused which outcome was Dart wanting?
Do you think a high speed electric monorail would resolve the traffic issue? Bodden Town to Hurleys to George Town to Camana Bay to Karoo site. Big parking built at Bodden Town and Karoo site for parking your car. Monorail annual pass card of KYD500.
On education there should be smaller classrooms and more teachers. Cayman with its surplus annual budget can pay for quality new teachers. There should also be a mandatory that public school students do one or two years of education off island in the UK or Canada. Caymanians would come back after that year with much deeper appreciation of Cayman that they likely take for granted here. Cayman is a utopia and life is much harder off island. They would be far more driven motivated coming back on island.
I wish everyone would get off this pipe dream of a monorail system here. It simply isn’t feasible. A Monorail the length you are talking about would cost $2 billion plus cost of land acquisition. Then you have high costs of operating and maintaining the system. Your $500 annual rail pass isn’t going to come anywhere close to paying for all of that. Monorails are only economically feasible it places with high density populations. Look it up.
Well now I don’t want either to lead government…Wayne now courting a convicted woman beater or 4 more years of PPM giving away our children’s futures for permit/pr fees. You know I’ll take direct rule.
Why is everybody flapping their lips over this show of undisciplined , immature, egotistical, maniacal, hallucinatory, despotic leadership being exhibited. Isn’t it clear tho all of you Rass voters who went out and voted expecting better but now getting slapped in the face by indecisive, corroborative, delusionary, criminall minded ( in two cases) so called leadership.
Until caymaniians understand that you must have a political process that is defined and allows for people to form parties, alliances, parties, groups whatever you want to call it, long before the elections with clear ideals and programs which are exhibited, taught, preached and understood ny voters who then can understand and decide who can possibly lead the country
In a way which favors all and not just some; the crap that we are experiencing will never end.
No to this crap of Hindependents getting together 6 months to a year and you don’t even know most of them , or haven’t seen them or hear them speak before elections. No to this merry go round horse trading uckeries .
It is time for voters to be educated, it is really time for new leaders to arise and lead us forward and not backward. As it appears that this election and its final outcome could lead us into a deeper sink hole than the one we are in. Personality politriks has got to go.
Think about it Cayman your future and the lives of ygenerations to come depends on you!
The fact that the PPM could even get the number of seats they got – after brazenly giving its own people a golden shower – is why this country will soon no longer be Cayman but international territory belonging to everyone and no-one. We keep voting for the same apertures that screw us!!!
The fact that the PPM could even get the number of seats they got – after brazenly giving its own people a golden shower – is why this country will soon no longer be Cayman but international territory belonging to everyone and no-one. We keep voting for the same apertures that screw us!!!
Big Mac please don’t forget what Wayne and Heather said about you. Lock him up and give them the key.
12:12 – All that needs to be put aside for the betterment of this country. Haven’t you said something that you needed to retract or rethink?
PPM flat out told PACT that they will not form a government with them even for the betterment of our beloved islands. This is a devious process and shows at the end of the day, everyone for themselves first, then country.
A sad state of affairs we are in.
Pay very close attention to the waffling Sabrina is doing, because that exactly how this whole PACT will operate.
Waffling depending on which ever way the wind blows for the next 4 years.
Total electoral districts-19
Atleast one Ind candidate contested in every electoral district.
10/19 electoral district Ind vs Ind – winner Ind
8 electoral district PPM vs Ind – 7 PPM, 1 Ind
Common guys…. tell me, when 10 electoral district only ind vs ind, whoever win… you count on your side… is it fair?????
Success rate of Independents 52%
Success rate of PPM 88%
That says it all!
PPM members: 7
Independent members: 12
PPM votes: 3,380
Independent votes: 13,650
PPM percentage: 19.6%
Independent/CIPP percentage: 80.4%
Christ Jesus, 2:37, you really have no idea of the first past the post system of elections do you?
Well, maybe the system is bullshit.
I know ind will get majority even before election because 10/19 electoral district only ind vs ind, only possibility is that 10 electoral district ind win…
I don’t understand why you all fighting after election?
With all that is happening in this country, no wonder the young potential voters are so lacks in voting.
It is obvious that once elected, manifestos go out the window and self interest and greed prevails from the get go.
MPs, fail not to remember, you were elected by the people who entrusted you to fulfill your promises from the get go.
People first!!! Then let’s see that. Actions always speak louder than words.
Caymaians are hurting – economically, mentally, socially and even spiritually.
People are fed up with how Cayman has been governed in the past few terms and people are at a breaking point.
For the love of God, please put your self interest, greedy and egocentric minds together and form a government that will be for yhe benefit all Caymanians first and foremost and then others.
If not, remember the future generations, which no doubt will include your families, will suffer the consequences of poor goverance that these islands have now reached a breaking point of enduring.
Many civilizations in history were destroyed by greed, self serving egos and betrayal. This too can happen to Cayman. I am much afraid, if MPs fail to govern for the love of country and all of its people, then these destructive human qualities which are obviously prevalent among our MPs will be the down fall of these precious little specs of the world that we call the Cayman Islands.
Can? Too late bobo. Place has sold out to developers. We are so screwed in 50 years.
Wish Alva got elected! This is too much drama for power.
11:04 he was a swine and showed his true colors linking up with Alden. I am glad he got voted out!
We do not want any government with any PPM in it.
The PPM and Roy are a destructive force and we do not need them to complete their mission of destroying the country. The two members from CB are power hungry.
You are speaking for yourself. Progressives were successful in all districts they ran in other than one. So it seems that many voters to want a government with Progressives still in it.
Bullcrap, and this is why we need a national vote. I know many people who previously supported PPM but have turned on them because of what has transpired in just the last two years alone. I have no doubt that a significant portion of PPM voters have acquired Cayman status in the last 4-8 years. After all, no multigenerational Caymanian in their right mind could support them.
I miss Alva sorry he lost his seat.
Best option for Cayman may be for there to be no agreement by which either side has a majority. If that happens then the Governor is required to call a new election, an election that would allow the electorate to vote knowing the true nature of the candidates who won in each district
Almost every member of the PPM and those running with them held their seat. It was news to me that Wayne was only going to form a Government with only independents. It was also news to me that the PPM wasn’t allowed to form a Government with other independents. Thats how they formed the Government in the first place in the last election! Well Wayne, you suddenly feel comfortable to form a Government with Mac. Your supporters demanded everyone denounced Mac and when that didnt happen the PPM shut down the country rather than publicly denounce him. Now you and you and your group suddenly find it okay to embrace Mac and you’re looking for form a Government with PPM members as long as you are running it. But its unacceptable the other way around. Your supporters are turning up to threaten and intimidate other candidates but you have no mandate to say that we dont want a coalition Government and only you can lead. You only ran with Heather and Ozzie and Ozzie didn’t even get his seat. So what made you think you have a mandate of the people to form a Government and lead every other independent. What the heck is going on??!! Stay woke.
What I saw being streamed live on Facebook in EE this afternoon was very worrisome. We do not need a situation where elected MP’s and their families are made to feel threatened by mobs making wild accusations and need Police protection to move around in this country. Personally, I think the current Premier-Designate should show HIS leadership and love for this country by asking the personality leading this charge to cool down the rhetoric before it gets out of control. The decision of Independents and their supporters in each district should be respected. No one should be bullied into a corner to take a position they do not feel is in the best interest of this country.
Calm negotiations and reaching across the table needs to occur amongst leaders on both sides. Find neutral ground, bring in a respected elder statesman/woman, leave your darn phones outside in a basket, sit down and for love of this country, make the tough decision to give us a coalition government. Not everyone will be satisfied but clear explanations can be provided. Public statements can then be made jointly and both sides have to make concessions.
PPM needs to acknowledge and recognize that we are fed up with the over development, lack of real concern about our environment, nightmare traffic, inability of many young and not so young Caymanians to buy a home, all the concerns that people feel were ignored and not addressed during the PPM administration.
We don’t want a Cayman where our political process leads to riots and insurrection, with what is being instigated through social media we are heading in that direction. Wayne and Roy, please work together as grown men for love of our country and advise your supporters to be respectful of this process. God bless all of you elected MPs and I pray that you will do what needs to be done.
Then don’t be a snake and people wouldn’t have to come out in protest.
If Wayne had 10 people he would not be talking to Roy. Not hard to understand.
If Wayne had 10 people he would not be talking to Mac.
If PPM had 10 people they would have submitted their government to the Governor.
If Roy had 10 people he wouldn’t be talking to Wayne.
Roy your party loses more every election…Caymanians and their children don’t want you guys running their country into the ground for your personal benefits.
Their party has won for than any other party for the last 3 elections. Irrelevant whether you like it or not.
Wayne – Premier
Roy – Deputy and Minister for Financial Services
Chris – Minister for Education
Moses – Tourism
Andre – Aviation and Trade
Jon Jon – Health
Kenneth – Community Affairs
That should be the core and provide the way forward.
Isaac and Sabrina have lost much of their credibility.
Alden and to a lesser extent Joey have had their time. They can serve as counselors.
Mac is, and needs to remain, a pariah.
You lost me at Jon Jon. He shouldn’t be allowed to tie his own shoe laces.
I don’t think he can reach them anyway.
A Tortoise on a fence post out of place. Maybe he be better studying to be a Language translatorst the rate he’s doing that will keep him busy for next 25 years
And Kenneth
You are incorrect.
Wayne cannot be premier.
Alden, don’t let this happen.
Is that you, Dart? You are pissed because your best ally is no longer able to sell you Cayman for cents on the dollar?
Awww – tough $&@£ ! Feel free to leave. 😠
You miss out three big Ministries. Finance, employment and Border Control, and commerce planning and infrastructure
6:07 pm are you on drugs or wa that is a hallucination right. You obvious
Y don’t know the characters therefore cannot conceive the incongruity of your delusion.
Moses? Tourism? Wtf has he done for tourism that the Dept. of tourism hasn’t already done? Jon Jon for Health? Did you even listen to any of the press conferences when he was talking? A child just barely learning to talk would of made better sense than he did.
Mr Alden please sir get the British to bring in soldiers to quell this madness,suspend the election results and you continue in power as you are the only smart one who can run our country. Move the center of goverment to Camana Bay.
We love you!
Alden can’t do shit..he is no longer the Premier and won’t be again if the people of these islands have anything to do with it.
By the way, I thought you guys had decided that Roy was your new Premier..What happened?? We know Alden still pulling the puppet strings..
Alden is still the Premier until a new Government is sworn in.
Same goes for all current Ministers.
The poster does not speak for the PPM.
7:59pm: That is a joke, right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You cannot really be that boot loving a slave.
April Fools
Nobody in Cayman voted for this horse trading crap in which the first decision made by our politicians is not about what is best for Cayman, but rather is all about how these politicians maneuver and manipulate to get power and money for themselves.
There is obviously a fundamental flaw in our system that results in positions of responsibility in our government being doled out according to the political self-interest of a bunch who cannot resist their greed and narcissistic tendencies.
That is the regular process. Where have you been all this time? Traditionally, all this is decided before they are sworn in.
True but is still a crap way of doing things
Sorry – but “Yes” – You Did Vote for this “horse trading crap” (as you put it).
This is the very embodimmient of the outworking of voting for a majority of “independents” because…….. “Yes”, they are all independent!
What we are left with is kinetic chaos while these independents try and figure how much their principles can be bought and sold for.
You got EXACTLY what you voted for.
McKeeva is holding the key card. When he plays it, there will be shockwaves across these islands.
The issue is that neither side can take Mac, they will lose one or two of their current disciples if they do.
Neither side has to woo him.
He holds the golden key in Wednesday’s vote.
Bush will be the last to vote and decide who will be the better Priemier.
He could even play a wild card, and vote for himself.
Then it will be 9 votes for Panton, 9 votes for McTaggart and 1 vote for Bush.
Not sure what the next step will be once the deadlock is reached!!!!!!
Mr. McKeeva Bush you hold the golden key sir. He who laughs last, laughs best!!!!!
It is apparent to many of us that each of the elected PPM group and the elected PACT group have a mixed bag of members. The issue is how will it be possible for Cayman to end up with a government without despots, idiots and convicted felons in positions of power.
It was no different with Whore mongers drug users corrupt politicians and drug traffickers and wife beaters and drunkards!Oh almost forgot religious hypocrites! please spare us with your self righteous spiel!
Put them all in the Parliament Wednesday and have an open on the record vote for the voters to see. That is transparency.
That is the plan but most will be too busy to attend. It is easier to whine and criticize
Everyone in cayman think they are the premier of this island, now it is very evident every one trying to be premier. Unfortunately, only one can be premier. What to do…..
Correction – the more correct descriptor would be ‘Premier Self-Designate’.
As per the Governor’s press release on Friday no one had, up to that point at least, officially challenged Mr Panton’s official letter. Perhaps that has changed, if so I am not aware, but unless it has then Mr Panton has a right to the title of Premier Designate. Whether he will keep it or not remains to be seen.
The title of Premier designate doesn’t exist in the constitution. I translate the Governor’s statement to mean we will have a vote for Premier in Parliament.
Wayne head get big quick though. The will of the people is clearly a coalition.
This might actually come down to Mac….
PPM made promises and if they do not get back in to deliver them, the big interest will claim its 7lbs of flesh from them. Simple
A certain developer is probably ready to exact revenge upon a couple of the Progressives!
That pre-election conspiracy narrative stuff is getting real old real fast. Try facts – its liberating.
This is complete nonsense and slanderous. If people listen to you the Cayman Islands will descend into mob rule. Undermining people’s faith in Leaders works both as we’re now seeing.
You did not like the obvious truth, 9:10am? Tough. We all see it plain as day 🤷🏽♂️
The people reelected all 7 outgoing PPM
There were always going to be 12 independents às those 12 seats were only contested by independents so Wayne needs to get his facts right.
Wayne is nit good for this country as he has no interest in the little person.
So what? 7 does not a majority make! What you are saying is that the minority rules. Typical fascist mentality.
Well 2 out of 3 certainly doesn’t make a majority and thats all that Wayne had when he ran. To say otherwise is like telling me that I should have automatically known Wayne would form a Government with Elvis in the Brac.
And you think PPM does? I’ve never known anyone care less than them.
Absolutely right! Clearly those that disagree with this need a lesson in math! The people voted and wanted PPM. When Wayne ran who did he run with? Heather and Ozzie and Ozzie didn’t get a seat. So, how does Wayne now decide to run the country. Not one of us understood this was supposed to be the outcome. In fact I thought I heard that Saunders might be Premier out of the independents. How did we get here?!
Alden, please tell your strong-hold special interest to take their dinero and shove it where the sun don’t shine! For God’s sake, find your dignity, swallow your pride and bow out gracefully! We do not want PPM (in particular YOU and Joey – Unny money-hungry #$@%^@$)
Panton stressed that twelve Independent candidates were elected, as opposed to seven Progressive members, and PACT believes it is clear the next government should be led by Independents.
So where is the problem? If 12 PPM candidates were elected they would not have a problem forming a government. Maybe people voted for independents because they didn’t want them to be a part of government.
The truth is very simple.
1. Wayne Panton wants to be Premier.
2. Chris Saunders has to have a Ministry.
3. Bernie Bush has to have a Ministry.
4. Kenneth Bryan has to have a Ministry.
5. Andre Ebanks has to have a Ministry.
6. Kathy Ebanks-Wilks has to have a Ministry or she leaves.
7. Sabrina Turner has to have a Ministry or she leaves.
Jay is looking at the above and thinking what about me? Heather must be thinking the same thing since she already served as an MP.
The only way Wayne can get another person to make up the 10 votes that he needs to form the government is by offering them a Ministry and that’s going to upset the person who has to give it up.
The only solution is offer Big Mac a pile of cash and live with the shame,
I get ‘has to have’ in terms of doling out political favors for past ‘party’ loyalty.
However, if we consider what is best for Cayman, many of those ‘has to have’ statements become ‘should not under any circumstances have’ – Just saying the decisions being made by politicians have nothing to do what is best for Cayman.
Why do you think both parties agreed there should be an eighth minister in the latest constitutional changes?
Still not enough when you have all Chiefs and no Indians. Heather seems to be the only one willing to take the role of lackey right now, and who knows when that might change.
Big Mac ain’t no fool, so it’s going to be cash on the barrel for his vote. A promise is a comfort to a fool, so that’s not enough for his vote. If they give Alric his old job then he will have to be compensated with four years of Speaker’s salary, which is probably around one million dollars. Somebody has to pay that up front with no guarantee someone currently in the group might not still upset the apple cart before the four years are up. Big Mac has court cases and big expenses coming up.
what was Alric’s old job?
Historically, did first time MLAs/MPs who got a Ministry weren’t reelected for a second term?
Think Tara was an exception, anyone else?
Dwayne Seymour.
Idk what to think as only one PPM candidate lost his seat, (not considering Al). All the Ministers retained their seats which, in my opinion, indicates the voters are happy with the leadership of the Island.
Voters in George Town and Cayman Brac are happy. It’s pretty clear that the rest of the Cayman Islands does not agree with the PPM.
We need a national vote, as it would make it more difficult for people like McKeeva/PPM members/shit politicians to get re-elected.
Happy with 8% unemployment, $6 min wage, no beaches left, ever-growing work permit grants, thousands of people on welfare, etc?? Am I in a different island nation?
Are you crazy. Do you know what’s going on around you. The world numbers for Covid are the highest ever now and every country has reached rock bottom but you think Cayman is in dire straights because we have 8% unemployment. What planet are you from. Have you seen the lines of persons lining up for food in the US. Their unemployment rates are at 9.9% and their death rates from Covid are not going down. So tell me you, just how ungrateful you are by talking about unemployment as if the Government has let us down during a time of Covid. We live as though nothing is going on thanks to the previous Govt.
So according to you, 10:20, only the COVID-19 factor matters? Will that make a difference in five years, when we have no land left, no mangroves left, and our high school leavers have zero chance of getting high paying jobs because they continued to get CRAPPY education thanks to your beloved PPM? 😂😂😂😂 Am ungrateful because I refuse to kiss Alden’s ring? Well, guess what?! You keep kissing it. Kiss his ring or other parts!
You have to assume an agreed alliance of every independent candidate that ran. That’s nonsense.
No life matters and that’s what we got. No one died in Cayman unlike rest of the world. Thanks to leadership. Employment rates and the economy better than rest of world. Business and jobs better than rest of the world. No masks and social distancing which is better than rest of the world. So guess what you can kiss my you know what!
Roy McZippidyDooDah obviously has a mandate from the hidden hand.
They must be choking on their turtle steak right now.
At least they got a civil servant discount.
These deceivers are a joke.
Clearly we need to put the 19 of them into a lock-in at the rec centre until they can come to an agreement like reasonable adults. TV experience would suggest that never fails.