Skylar and VJ jailed after appeal
(CNS): Skylar Mack (18), who is a medical student in the US, and local competitive Jet Ski rider Vanjae “VJ” Ramgeet (24) have both been sent to jail for four months for breaching isolation rules. In court on Tuesday, Justice Roger Chapple overturned the community service handed to the couple by a magistrate last week, having taken into account the message legislators sent when they significantly increased the sentences recently, as well as the sacrifice the community had made to keep Cayman free of COVID-19.
Government appealed a sentence of 40 hours community service that was given to the couple by Magistrate Angelyn Hernandez, and the judge agreed the sentence was unduly lenient.
The judge said that Mack had committed a planned, selfish act and there was no alternative to a custodial sentence, despite her age, good character, admissions and her circumstances. He added that Ramgeet was older and should have known better when he assisted his girlfriend to attend the Jet Ski event where she was ultimately arrested.
Mack had spent some seven hours mingling with the public after arriving from the US just two days before. The court also noted that she had complained about her iMsafe wristband being too tight and government officials had come to her isolation residence and re-fitted it, enabling her to slip it off and attend the Jet Ski competition held in South Sound, which resulted in four families having to go into isolation after the event.
Justice Chapple was clearly concerned about imposing a custodial sentence on young people with no previous convictions but said he was paying close attention to the message of deterrent needed to protect Cayman’s enviable position of being free of the virus.
Starting at 15 months because of the aggravating circumstances, he reduced the time to four months due to the mitigating circumstances and the couple’s guilty pleas.
Visibly distraught by the decision, the couple were remanded immediately. Though it is unlikely that they will serve the full four months, they will almost certainly be spending the holidays in HMP Fairbanks and HMP Northward respectively.
In the Cayman Islands, we are basically covid free and have no need for mask wearing anymore save for health care facilities.
She didn’t wear a mask when she went to the beach that day to hang out with her boyfriend but she found one to wear for her day in court strictly for appearances sake and to hide her face, in my opinion.
She would not have been there in person if she had not completed her 14 day quarantine and had a negative test result..
If she had behaved herself and followed quarantine rules she would have been out a long time ago and could freely move around without a mask.
Covid 19 has made more people sick in the head and sickening generally…
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Jailing visiting kids! You must be very proud of yourself! Initial sentence was appropriate. Who exactly behind the appeal? The same person who grants exemptions from quarantine? I was never so disgusted with the North Korea Islands.
You are trivializing the actual torture that goes on in North Korea. They are not children – they are adults according to the law. You have to follow the laws of the country that you are in when you travel whether you agree with them or not. If that was going to be difficult for her, she should not have travelled.
She shouldn’t have been here in the first place, unless you hadn’t noticed the borders are closed to tourists.
18 years old is not a kid.
She’s not a kid. She’s legally an adult and she knowingly and intentionally broke the law. All the courts did was sentence her accordingly. If you are well aware of the law and the potential penalties and you have blatant disregard for them then you may get caught and have to pay the price. That is what happened here.
They are adults in the eyes of the Court (although they may act like kids). It was a premeditated act to break the law, they knew the consequences, got caught and must now pay the price. Do the crime pay the time. Please don’t cry about it.
What’s your ignorant obsession with North Korea?
Kids go to Cancun and Miami every year for spring break, commit crimes and get locked up.. no difference!
If I went to Miami and broke their laws, my ass would have been in jail and I would be deported..
Why do people think they can come here, break the laws and we are supposed to allow it? Sorry that is not how it works when you visit another country…and by the way she is 18 and a legal adult..
Who was the first who broke this particular law? Certainly not this young American woman.
3:12 She is the one to get caught with her lies and selfishness. So yes, lock her little white uppity ass up!
It doesn’t matter if she was the first or one of many. She did the crime, she can do the time.
If Cayman is covid free and these kids are covid negative…why would they have to be in isolation anyhow?
Because they need to be regularly tested during the incubation period.
Dumb dumb aren’t you? So she doesn’t bring Covid to Cayman. There is an incubation period for the virus.
OMG, you have to be American to have made such an idiotic comment
She’s 18. Old enough to vote in USA. But apparently not old enough to follow directions. Her grandmother says that she’s being used to set an example. Damn straight she is, and with good reason. This wasn’t a “mistake”, she knew what she was doing and it was likely part of the plan the moment she entered the country. CI is a Christian, English speaking country.
She endangered an entire island – coming from a country incapable of handling Covid – that did not have to allow her to land, for selfish reasons and after signing a promise to self isolate for the allotted time. What’s not to jail.
With good behavior they will serve 2-3 months. I hope Mac beater gets at least 3 years so he serves 12 months, but if he gets off with a suspended sentence, I hope all who support this 4-month sentence have the guts to protest about it in Hero Square.
more like 1-2 weeks, they will be out on appeal government hates international bad press. The main point is CI Government needs to make it clear that there is no COVID in Cayman except in quarantine. She risked the whole island and the economy.
And yet women beaters and pedophiles go free.
Maybe she was dazzled and misled by her “bad boy” exotic boyfriend. How exciting and rebellious. Slow clap.
Your mind is sick. Spent too much time isolated?
Oh the American whites trash has to be “bedazzled” by the “bad boy” to make poor choices. Riiiiight. Who is to say she isn’t the bad influence?
7:34 that is a good point. Either way, bad decisions were made by both.
I am a watersports operator… coming up on 60 years old…. I have not had an income for almost a year now… I am sure it will be a full year by the time tourists make it back here…. Inconsiderate people like these 2 twits are part of the reason I will not be able to retire when I wanted to…… boo hoo to them …. the fact she will be out in a few weeks is a shame! and….. they put my children at risk as well……..
You haven’t had income because our government closed the airport. These two have given no one the virus. Perhaps you should focus your anger on the right set of people.
They have closed the airport because there is a global pandemic and they don’t want people to die or to have to go back into a lockdown as is happening in many countries. If someone does violate quarantine and start community transmission again, all of those sacrifices would be for nothing.
I think the person is speaking in general .. lots of people demonstrating against the use of masks in the world, endangering the rest of their communities and making this global pandemic even more difficult to deal with.
98% of earths population is COVID free. (73.6mil out of 7,000,000,000)
Who is dealing with whom?
It doesn’t matter whether they actually gave anyone the virus. She could have and didn’t care if she did. This person’s anger is focused exactly in the right place.
If she didn’t have the virus, she could NOT have.
After all this time do you really not understand how incubation periods work and why there is a need for a long quarantine period? She probably didn’t have it. But she definitely COULD have.
It’s funny how everybody is soo focused on this couple but the BIG PICTURE here is the college student who tested POSITIVE and broke out of quarantine TWICE. He is 100x more of a threat to the community and yet you guys are shaming this young woman and man. That 19 year old will be the reason you guys will be in lockdown again so focus more of your attention on your fellow caymanian lolll
There is no indication that his matter has gone to court as of yet is there? To say that we cannot discuss or debate the outcome of this appeal is a bit of a nonsense. And keep in mind that Govt had to appeal the initial decision in the hope that the strong message Govt intended with their sentencing guidelines would be administered. But you also make a valid point in that we cannot do anything about how our own fellow Caymanians operate in their own country but we do expect that there will be a fair sentencing when the time comes. We expect that when someone arrives as a visitor that they conduct themselves in a manner that will not prejudice their own ability to stay in Cayman or endanger our lives.
If she isn’t married to the Cayman dude and isn’t working, I’m assuming she’s got a 90 day visitor immigration stamp. So our next gift to her when she gets out of jail is an immediate flight home never to return. Why waste the tax payers money on a custodial sentence, just deport her it’s cheaper.
In my opinion, the risk for the virus hasn’t been that great. No one has died on the island or who have visited so far. Don’t you have to be tested before leaving Miami? Don’t you get another temp check coming into the island?
So if they had a virus I can see a prison stay, but they don’t. Yes, they are wrong, they shouldn’t have taken off the ankle band. But to make it sound like they had the virus and went out to watch the event is not true. So the community punishment would have been enough. Remember its all outside
Sounds like you need to join them in jail. It should be illegal to possess such poor logic.
Your opinion doesn’t matter.
All the down votes…
more people agree with you than you think, theyre just afraid of being called a witch and burnt at the gallows for going against the grain.
I would not be surprised if the kirkbots are at it again – trying to sway public opinion on the side of PPM and its bs covid policy to ensure a smooth election next year.
Time longer than rope.
Believe that.
Whilst I understand your sympathy with this young lady (she’s a teenager and they dont seem to think rationally) you said she did something wrong. Yes she did something wrong but she also broke the law. A law designed to save lives and ensure the community is safe. What she did was actually serious and could have been but thank God wasn’t, catastrophic.
catastrophic? Could have, would have, should have…But they WEReE and ARE NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE. For Pete’s sake stop this nonsense.
Using capitals doesn’t make your argument correct, stop shouting please.
If she had been positive, you would be complaining about being in 2-3 weeks total curfew while the situation was brought under control! This is definitely not nonsense, just look at the countries going into total shutdown. Could have been you!
Still doesn’t give you Carte Blanc to break the Law.
I’m baffled by her stupidity and brazen disregard for the law in a foreign country. She knew exactly what she was signing up for and planning to do. Sorry, not sorry you got caught. Tough lesson but I think it is the right choice to be penalized for this with more than community service and a fee. I doubt she will serve 4 months and I don’t think she should but I would bet she will definitely think twice about doing something so dumb ever again.
As a mother my heart pains for this young lady particularly. I would feel so distressed tonight were that my daughter.
Not to say I condone what was done in anyway. Covid is serious business and we must avoid at all cost community spread and all its implications, including the risk to life and of another lockdown.
But which of us have not done regrettable if not worse things. And which of us parents cannot identify with the parents of this young lady.
Oh shit up all of all of you marl roaders. The couple is the least of Caymans problem. The economy is wrecked with no plan in sight. Every where else had a reopening plan except us. I guess all you all on NAU or living off the emergency pension, so don’t really care the economy is wrecked. There is always an end. As Cayman would have it, I wouldn’t e surprised if the young lady a few years from now, return as one of your bossses and your still licking stamps and on the mark road. I would love it!!
You really need to reread your post. All sorts of errors. Parts of it make no sense, ‘still licking stamps and on the mark road’? What? I think our system is failing us if you are on a permit.
Jean. Are you okay?
Please get some help.
Stop Okaying people.
Jean – I think you posted on the wrong forum
“They hanged the lady, and I threw a stone at her, although in my heart I was sorry for her; but all were throwing stones and each was watching his neighbor, and if I had not done as the others did it would have been noticed and spoken of…
(THE MYSTERIOUS STRANGER by Mark Twain, Chapter 9)
Is Cayman still in the Medieval Age?
No, but we are trying to stay Covid free.
Also trying to stay freedom and perspective free
And watching the economy burn around you? For what?
Given the stats you’re more likely to die of diabetes / drinking too much coca cola!!
Cayman may feel they are Covid free, but to the rest of the world people look at the number of cases now over 300, they look at the reports of numbers in isolation and the numbers of people who have breached quarantine. Most people realize that isolation/ quarantine are being visited quite often and many people are asymptotic, so cases are not showing in the community unless people become symptomatic.
Cayman got to this enviable position of being CoVid free at a very high price. Why then should we allow anyone to plan to break the law and then claim to be sorry when they are caught? It is known that the virus takes a while to show up in the carrier. Let this be an example for anyone else who is planning a similar move.
WE value being CoVid free.
The Dump and Speaker are your most remarkable achievements. Nothing to envy about.
11:28-A high price? Being in lockdown like the rest of the entire world was?
Cayman- Covid cases- 307 close to 30 active cases, 5 symptomatic, over 1,000 in isolation/ quarantine- 3-4 quarantine breaches that are known….island not open for tourism.
Same thing I say! Bunch of hyper hysterical bloodthirsty barbarians.
You do realize this matter was handled by the Courts and not a mob? Reality check please.
Unlike the US Cayman has no capital punishment.
Skylar will be out in less than a week and sent back to the USA.
Regards,
Uncle Sam
She should be banned from Cayman for life. I have an elderly Mother, who has medical issues. This selfish cow, and her selfish boyfriend had no concern for her life. Nor mine, nor my business, nor our country. 4 months is a gift to these two. Hope they are required to serve the full sentence.
CaymanKind
Please keep her at home with you Uncle Sam.
It’s reassuring that our justice system took this position many more have and were already planning this type of holiday/vacation trips. The details of the intent of these two to break the law and their level of entitled selfishness is alarming read the case details folks. Compassion yes – but they deserved to be punished…. our community stood up for itself and changed an outcome for the betterment of all … well done Cayman ! Now let’s do the same with our chronic offender in public life and demand our representatives punish his bad behaviour too… LOCK HIM UP TOO …
I don’t have sympathy for them. They knew the risk and took it. This will clearly deter otgers now, which is a hood thing. But the boy that keeps ‘escaping’ also needs a short, sharp shock.
Meanwhile scumbags robbing people and tourists get nothing. Not even investigated.
There is no comparison here. They are robbing yes those parties are at risk yes. This couple knowingly and willingly risked the ENTIRE community with their actions. New offense, someone needs to be the example that it’s not okay to put us at risk after all the sacrifices we have made.
The ENTIRE a community? No one immune in Cayman?
Are you immune ?
What century are you from?
Yes they are idiots and yes they deserve this harsh sentence but the schadenfreude this seems to have brought out here is just plain ugly.
They don’t deserve this harsh sentence. This is not North Korea.
확실한가요?
Trump voter no doubt.
Condescending drooling leftist idiot no doubt
In addition to the covid vaccine you might want to get a shot to cure your never ending TDS.
Oh Oh…there goes about thirty votes for the prospect Candidate. Must have been sipping on the Yak and did not realize.
Mwah-waaaah.
Okay, so they get four months for potentially putting people’s health and safety at risk. Fair enough. Now I am very interested to see how much jail time a known bully and troublemaker will be given for actually putting a woman’s health and safety at risk, by physically assaulting her. The public is waiting; and watching.
A foreigner who tested negative for the virus upon landing is considered a greater threat to Cayman. Remember, the initial plea was “not guilty” pending review of video. Basically, if it’s not on camera, I’m not guilty.
He is free to continue doing what he does.
So there is still an unanswered question- how did she get permission to land here?
It’s really not that hard. Travel cayman is not going to make you prove that you have a close family tie to the island. You just have to list there name. Now why they didn’t catch her short stay is questionable
Well they checked my parents relationship to me. Granted I didn’t have to prove it but if it weren’t true I would have had to lie to them to get approved.
My thoughts exactly. Does Travel Time vet the applications they receive? Why was this person allowed in?
The approval process for her definitely needs to be investigated! She didn’t meet ANY of the criteria. Fire the fool that approved her travel.
I am so disgusted by this country. First of all they made everyone criminals for socially distancing while snorkeling for months on end, because people might infect fish of which we then eat? Is that the idea? And then 4 months for a young couple that made a stupid mistake?
And let me get this straight? We have people starving and because they are not caymanian the government refuses to help them, but then the government will spend tens of thousands of dollars to keep two people in jail?
I am recommending that no one visits, and as soon as flight restrictions are lifted I am moving off of this banana republic.
Cool.
See yah!
Can’t stand the wait until you are gone!
Happy to hear you’re leaving! Enjoy your new home.
What’s the stop you from going now
We’re do people think the money in your country comes from , fools
Judging from your misuse of we’re, I would say you didn’t do much to contribute to that wealth creation!
Not from broke Jet skiers
Its printed in Canada isn’t it?
or is that just the coins?
I thought we were able to make a request to leave at any time.
Please hurry and leave this island is so nice I need more room to enjoy it. where ya headed? I will even pay for the ticket
Why wait until flight restrictions are lifted? You can do us all a favour and leave tomorrow!
This reminds me how North Korea treated American tourists Otto Frederick Warmbier. Because you can, does not mean you always should.
Who is the person behind government’ appeal?
Guaranteed vote getter.
Have you absolutely abandoned your mind or is this a momentary lapse?
Don’t be so f’n ridiculous you clown. Otto Warmbier was tortured and killed by a despotic regime. This is not even close.
Big poppa – a government locking an entire population in their homes against their will for months seems quite despotic if you actually look at this objectively
Not when they’re doing it to save lives. Don’t even try to say that this is an exaggeration, as that would be very disrespectful to the many families who have lost loved ones all over the world sooner than they otherwise would have.
Who cares about NK? What the heck does that have to do with anything? Just stop it! Boo fricking hoo! The comments in this post are ridiculous. Her family have money, she is a med student so she has 1. Means to pay 2. Enough sense to know better. This goes for VJ too, he comes from a decent family. He helped Harbour her. She broke the law.
Poor little privileged girl, cha!
If she were black and of a different nationality, I bet y’all wouldn’t be saying the same things.
In Cayman we have a saying… “dah wha yah get!”.
Mistakes happen, they’re not planned. There was no mistake here. They got caught gambling with the lives of 60,0⁰0+ residents. Had the worst happened it could have crippled our economy which is already suffering from lack of tourism revenue. Look at the bigger picture. We need to deter this behaviour not encourage it by being lenient.
There are no restrictions for outgoing flights. So off you go! Very sorry you were not happy here.
Depending on where you are going, remember to wear a mask whenever you go out, and please observe the lockdowns, curfews, shelter in place orders, and social distancing rules that are necessary in many parts of the world.
Safe travels Dan.
Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out
Why have you decided that this is just a “stupid mistake” as opposed to a crime? Couldn’t most offenders say that?
We might be a banana republic but we are a COVID free banana republic and I for one, after weeks of sacrifices and homeschooling, would like to keep it that way. Have fun moving to your new COVID infested home where you can’t dine indoors or see your family at Xmas!
We will see – we have a 19 year old running around.
Let me know if you need help with that plane ticket.
I am recommending that you pack up and head back to whatever Covid infested country you came from. I know it sounds horrid for me to say that but you have no regard for anyone and certainly not those around you. It makes me worried that persons like you are here on permits and actually walk amongst us. There is no Caymanian or expat that I know that doesn’t appreciate the safely of these Islands and that we are all not in lockdown for the holidays. The judge is not Caymanian if that helps you and he clearly understood the importance of a very difficult decision that he had to make and why. It is therefore very concerning to read your post. Please seriously consider returning to your home country and you never have to return here ever again, thats what I am recommending.
Please hurry up and leave. How did you get here anyway? I guess they don’t make sure people have common sense before letting them on this island! Shame on immigration for letting you step foot on my island!
bye
First it’s 1,000 fine for them and then 10,000 and then community service and now it’s jail. Reported yesterday, a breather gets to stay at home because his mom works civil service. What the heck is going on and what the heck are the rules? Is there any consistency? Just like the border was going to open in August, no September, nope November, maybe January…… or maybe April
Bio buttons, geo fencing….resort bubble…and on and on….
And about to stay closed another 6 months
Thanks for leaving! One less car in front of me in the morning.
Please move back to the “banana republic” that you ran away from and enjoy🥳
Dan…. Flight restrictions have been lifted and you are still here? What’s taking you so long to be gone? If a Caymanian did something illegal in your country you would want us to be penalized. So smartass, here we have one irresponsible Caymanian and a young expat “medical student” who was also irresponsible by not staying quarantined. And by the way, out of their four month sentence they will serve 60% call it 8-10 weeks. Pretty lucky! Clearly, the starving expats should join you in venture back to where you come from and have your government take care of all of you ignorant expats…
You don’t like it? Leave.
Racist c***.
“a young couple that made a stupid mistake”? I wonder how differently your comment would read if that very couple who planned to break the law infected someone you love and they die as a result?
On behalf of myself, and the rest of the people from the “banana republic” we will ALL pay for your ticket out of here. Btw, why not leave now? Why wait??
And before you start talking crap about wait till people stop coming here blah blah, take a look around at the rest of the tourist destinations in the Caribbean, this banana republic is by far the SAFEST!!! Not saying we don’t have any crimes, but in comparison to the other places, we’re GOOD.
So again, do us and yourself the favor, and leave 🙂
There are flight leaving every week to Miami and every other week to London..Pick up the phone and call the airlines or better yet since you are online already book yourself..Flights are not restricted going out, only coming in..
Good bye and happy trails..make sure you wear your mask and social distance once you get to your destination, we wouldn’t want you catching covid after living here all this time in this horrible covid free and safe island..
Be honest w/ you- used to love the people on your island, but after reading months of thes kind of comments it is harder for me to think of bringing my family for a return visit. Part of me says these comments are from a very small number and not the thoughts of most and part of me says we would rather wear a mask and travel anywhere else. Remember your island slogan- Caymankind.
Good to see them punished appropriately. The people violating quarantine are putting people’s lives and livelihoods at risk.
you mean the livelihoods that people like you already destroyed by locking down the island for a whole year. People like you who support these quarantines and lockdowns are directly responsible for thousands of unemployed and closed businesses. You’re probably some lawyer though, so you couldn’t care less about the struggles of ordinary people.
Actually none of that is true but I’m sorry that you and so many others are going through such a difficult time. I just don’t want to see more people left unemployed, myself included, because we have to lockdown again like they have had to do in many countries to protect their healthcare system from becoming overburdened.
Hope your donating massively and helping others during these times.
I’m not seeing food banks outside the supermarkets, do they not need assistance this christmas?
Most of us are far more terrified of lockdowns at this point than we are from the actual virus. We are so angry at these people for putting us in danger of lockdown when it’s our government that has done that to us, and our government we should be angry at.
Cayman has been in a lockdown since mid March 2020. The island is still closed to tourism and normal travel. If that isn’t a lockdown, then I don’t know what is.
This is fantastic news, there goes her medical career down the pan and her clown boyfriend’s playboy “international jet ski champion” lifestyle ambitions limited to cart collection duties at Fosters. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
Rubbing your hands with glee and taking sadistic pleasure in a young persons downfall is not very edifying to read. Of course what she did was wrong but she is 18years old facing a prison sentence, this is a sad situation, nothing to gloat over. We have corrupt and violent politicians here who have yet to face any sanctions and are definitely old enough to know better. When are they going to receive their punishments? Hopefully you’ll take just as much pleasure in that!
People like 2:21 are anonymous here, but his / her face will be seen in full support of politicians on the court steps.
They’re criminals, wake up. They made their beds, now lay in them. They deserve everything they get. It’s a shame other countries aren’t following our lead.
Her medical career will remain intact. If she’s a US citizen, a conviction in banana land means nothing and will have zero effect on her future at home.
Uncle Donald probably pardoned her already.
Not true at all. Many careers require full disclosure on a number of points and there is no geographic/socio-political limit to what is responsive to the requirement. A conviction for theft is a conviction for theft. Violating public safety laws is violating public safety laws. Not a great candidate for a doctor: she’d be the one cutting corners you don’t want working on you. Not only was her behaviour dishonest but it could have done immense, long-lasting harm to this community, and a doctor must first do no wrong. So her career is very much a question now. And this isn’t banana land in US eyes, it’s a UK territory.
She is is not a medical student. That is just not how it works in the States. One has to complete an undergraduate degree to even apply for medical school. She is a freshman at some random college. She is light years away from being a med student.
My guess is she didn’t pass biology in high school.
The USA has become the most notable banana republic in the world!
Of whom we rely SO HEAVILY ON!!!! SO THE BANANA REPUBLIC IS ACTUALLY OUR SOURCE FOR ALL THINGS….PONDER THAT
Some of you fools speak without thinking…CAYMAN 1st industry is Tourism heavily relied on
The ant yelling at the elephant for shitting on him.
It would be so good if you could do us all a favor and leave too. Banana land is happy to say goodbye to you. Here is why your comment demonstrates just how ignorant you are – she’s supposed to be in medical school, and whether you agree with it or not, the quarantine is the law and it is there to prevent others from getting seriously ill or dying. The US and the UK are under lockdown and their health practitioners are all begging people to stay home and social distance etc. You and the likes of you on the other hand have no regard for the laws, your fellow countryman or anyone other than yourself. The universe you come from is well bellow banana land. Please return from whence you came.
Why a downfall ?
🎵quick images…da wha ya get!!🎵
I don’t believe in celebrating in one’s misfortune, but honestly a message had to have been sent.
You are a better person than 2:21
I couldn’t agree more. As a mother of teenage students who constantly surprise me with the crazy decisions they make, my heart breaks for this young lady. But this is a truly selfish and remarkably dangerous act of this young lady (particularly for someone who s in medical school!) and her boyfriend. Sad but necessary. A message had to be sent to the numerous expats who come here and think the laws will not apply to them.
Oop. Don’t forget that Caymanian kid/man that tested positive and escaped twice… But blame everything you want on expats.
She is not a medical student, she is 18 years old and has done barely one semester of college. You must first earn a bachelor of science degree for four years before you can even apply to a medical school. So that is certainly untrue. She is a freshman undergraduate student taking general courses.
she is a junior in college – shows what you know
Ma: Hi Honey, how was your vacation?
Daughter: It was great. I stayed an extra four months in a gated community, at government’s expense, all meals provided.
When the rubber hits the road… So the idea was that she would come down, fool these small village simpletons, get back on a plane, and have a little laugh over it with her college, pre-med friends. “Ohh, it was sooooo much funnnn! Oh no, they’re stupid little people, I’m soooo much smarter.”
Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccccccchhhhh. Wake up little girl!!! What you think, you gonna sleep all day in prison? Get your little white a$$ to the kitchen and earn your stay!
Hmmmm, maybe I should have rethought my original idea. Damn, he ain’t all that cute either. Soooo not worth it.
20 years later… So you see sweetie, Mommy was a criminal because she though she was smarter than she really was.
Glad to finally see the CIG step up. Otherwise this quarantine law is a joke.
I wonder how much of the 4 month sentence they will actually do? Out by Christmas as a goodwill gesture??
Sure hope not…
I take no pleasure in outcome of this case. Let’s hope that it serves as a warning to anyone who might be considering something similar.
The individual who twice broke quarantine should also be faced with a similar outcome.
Seriously? An irresponsible 18 year old you send to jail but an irresponsible canadian adult and his wife get $1k fine..I realize the penalties were increased and we need to send a message but a prison sentence for a kid? Come on there’s something in between. Our courts are all over the effin place with their sentences…I can’t wait to see how they feel about an adult who repeatedly beat a female bar employees!
Guidance is 2 years prison plus $10,000 fine. They got 1/6th of the max prison sentence and 1/4 of the “fine” in lieu of quarantine costs they ought to have paid anyway.
Fine the shit of them but don’t destroy their lives.
Why not? They intentionally risked ours.
How many people have actually been affected????? Really till ist someone close to you who did it or you…it will be a different tone to the song then.
Its not about that though is it?
Its about community spread even if asymptomatic and nobody dies, once the government starts finding cpositive cases in the community, we all get locked down and pay the price.
This was a blatant, prearranged plan to violate the quarantine. It was an act which could have crippled an entire country’s economy. It was a plan that could of caused the deaths of countless persons. It is despicable, and morally reprehensible. They received more mercy than due. Should have to served the full time, and received the full fine. This was premeditated. This was not a mistake. It was orchestrated and planned.
Explain to me how someone who twice test negative for Covid “could have crippled an entire country’s economy.” What Covid has brought out in the world is the realization that millions of people like Annie here are scared of their own shadows. Yeah, if you are over 65 and/or immuno-suppressed, you have something to worry about. For just about everyone else,Covid is a big nothing, no symptoms at all or a mild version of the flu. People need to show some courage and face up to the fact that not everything is in our control and that we are not going to live forever. I am stunned by the amount of unadulterated cowardice I see.
That’s not the guidance, that’s the maximum. The guidance always says you almost never give the maximum; it’s for the worst possible combination of both behaviour and bad outcome you can think of. Let’s say she was sick, she knew she was sick, and she caused a massive outbreak here, in addition to all the other stuff we already know. That might STILL not get her the maximum sentence because she did not INTEND to specifically infect anyone. If she had that intention, combined with all the above, perhaps that would do it. But the average lay person just does not know that the maximum sentence, much like the top volume setting on a speaker, is not actually meant to be used; it’s there to provide the upper boundary of a range that you’re more often going to be in the low to middle end part of.
It’s a jet-ski thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-55310647
Wanting to see the guy who has done it twice now?
This is a product of our society babying our kids. It’s too bad really, because if anyone deserved a custodial sentence, it ought to have been that scumbag Canadian dentist. I have no issues with him being Canadian, though I do have an issue with him being a scumbag. Getting back to my earlier point…
From a young age, we no longer teach our kids that there are consequences to their actions. We let them get away with all kinds of things, whether at home, at school, or in society in general. Then, when they hit adulthood, and they’re clueless to the fact that there are some serious consequences to their actions. And here we are, 4 months of prison, because they weren’t mature enough or smart enough to understand that you cannot breach laws – and that if you do, there are serious consequences. This is simply a case of puppy love, infused with a great does of stupidity, gone wrong. Puppy love and stupidity that could have caused the death of someone else.
Is it just and/or worthy of 4 months of jail when others get less than a slap on the wrist for even more egregious matters? Probably not…but from here on forward, they will know that you don’t F with the law – a lesson they should have been taught when they were much younger, and when consequences were far less severe.
Do not generalize.
Mmmmm, scuze me, say again? Do not generalize what?
As a Canadian I wholly support a custodial sentence for the scumbag dentist, mostly because he’s a scumbag, but also because he’s giving Canadians a bad name by going out into the world and being a scumbag there. Sorry about that.
And he was another medical person .. what’s it with them, are they becoming stupider nowadays?
Maybe they know something we don’t
well giving French Canadians a bad name…or just substantiating the stereotype
Bart, agreed. I am sure you read the history on the guy. Scumball written all over him:
https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/dentist-is-a-menace-disciplinary-board-claims
Unless your part of CIG family then you don’t F with the law.
There is something wrong with you. Get help!!
Thank you for the correction 🙂
Notice the mask the officer is wearing in this photo? Me neither…
So if she isn’t concerned that this girl has the rona why are the rest of you so terrified?
She has already gone through full quarantine now and tested negative. The whole reason she is going to jail is so that me, you, the police officer and the entire community can move around without wearing a mask. To date we have been able to avoid community spread and she by her actions, if she had been positive, could have set us back into lock down and maybe even cost the lives of some of the people she came in contact with..
So why is she wearing a mask?
“You can’t hide, your lying eyes…”
Because she doesn’t want her photo taken in handcuffs?
same reason Big Mac was wearing one the day he plead guilty and wouldn’t come out to have lunch
We will be back in masks in March under the new phase 2 opening plan.
People will be able to arrive here with the vaccine and be exempt of isolation but with continuous testing. The only way for this to work is to go back to local distancing and masks when we open as CIG have indicated.
Remember the Vaccine still may not stop you getting it but may just make it mild.
Also the plan that everyone in a house hold must be vaccinated before having a vaccinated guest is a joke!
They could arrive spend all day with people doing anything and stay at a hotel at night. CIG has missed something in the proposal.
You could really use a lesson in rational reasoning so as to not rely on syllogisms
Please explain?
Cayman Airways will arrive today. Fully loaded. No empty seats. No social distancing. Too many are blind to the inconsistencies of our policies / laws and too few ask questions.
Ignorance and stupidity are no excuse
So the university student who came home and breached twice will be getting a similar custodial sentence?
The law needs to be applied equally and fairly.
Otherwise you are basically just a Banana Republic with one set of laws for the connected and a different set for everyone else…
Absolutely. I would actually argue that what the university student has done is in fact even more egregious than what this girl has done – though having re-read the article, and it stating that she complained about the tightness of the wristband (so she could take it off), it’s definitely not a nice thing… First she lies so she can break the law, second she holds all Caymanians in contempt (you’re stupid, I am smarter than you all – guess she found out the real truth there…)
This IS just a Banana Republic with one set of laws for the connected and a different set for everyone else…
By your own definition.
And she’s a medical student?!?! I guess she’s too busy playing on the beach with boys to listen in class.
I would think she’s not even competent enough to change bed pans.
Pre-med at best. Definitely not in medical school at 18. Everyone in a science program can claim they are ‘pre-med’.
She can’t possibly be in medical school at the age of 18, she may be a premed student, but she first hast to get a bachelor of science degree in order to apply to medical school. So I believe that was a bit of an exaggeration.
I noticed that too! Thank goodness this will go on her record and her employers will know what she’s done.
Blows my mind that people are actually calling for jail time on this and want government to police their every move…?!?
The stats are clear – close on 99% of people that contract the “deadly” coronavirus survive.. and the average age of death is what.. 80+ years old now?
Perhaps we should just lock everyone up so we can make sure the 1% of the global population actually susceptible to the virus can be less at risk..?
Madness!
One day you will all wake up and George Orwells 1984 will be reality.
I hear you. Pure madness.
Why does it blow your mind? It doesn’t matter whether Coronavirus isn’t as deadly as was once thought. Many people have lost their livelihoods or have suffered serious economic loss as a result of the approach the CI government has taken to keep us from having community transmission.
Perhaps you are right to question whether this was the right approach, but that’s the society we are living in. Like all laws, if you decide you don’t think it should apply to you, you suffer the consequences.
In this case jail time was absolutely appropriate. Both to punish their flagrant disregard for society and to deter others.
Laws are made by those in power and enforced on those lower down on the totem pole.
Case in point – Mckeeva – still in the house acting as speaker. forced resignation or better yet dimissal from his post – this would have been the right approach – has it happened? no.
Case in point – Kid from Marina Drive – Parent in government – yet nothing has happened at the time of writing. Will anything happen – remains to be seen, but i’m going to go out on a limb and say nothing will happen.
Case in point – CMO caught in scandal with doctors express – abuse of power and confiscation made on account of a flimsy warrant – will anything happen? No.
Case in point – Operation Tempura – did anything happen? Was it all swept under the rug?
See the trend?
Thank you! The amount of sadistic pleasure kind Caymanians take is mind boggling.
“Kind”
I think you’re making a different point. Just because the laws aren’t always applied fairly doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be followed and shouldn’t mean that these people shouldn’t be punished.
Other than the Marina drive kid the other examples (although big problems) aren’t really relevant to this situation.
Why have the laws in the first place if only commoners are prosecuted when they are broken?
That’s the issue here.
Laws being made by politicians who know sweet f all about the topic at hand. So make decisions and laws on account of flawed logic and data.
Worse still the politicians don’t give two $^!&!# about the laws they write or the people they effect because they just do whatever they want anyway with no repercussions.
Meanwhile we are all sitting here incarcerated on a tiny island in the middle of nowhere, watching the economy burn around us (on account of a virus that 99% of people survive when contracted) and the finance minister / soon to be head of the PPM is saying income tax is around the corner.
Wake up ffs.
Yea but let that had been me smoking a joint in my backyard and a CBC officer happened to walk by.
Sorry, bud, this plant grows under a light in my attic lol. You can’t stop it.
Nothing Orwellian about this. People are dying by the millions. You wouldn’t be overly please if you caught it from her/him, passed it to your mother and/or grandmother, and they died as a result.
Diabetes kills… don’t see a ban on sugar… oh that’s right… tax dollars!
Sure. Not as fast as this.
Big Poppa – if you think there is nothing Orwelian about government’s taking away everyones freedoms and locking people up because of a virus that has a 99.9 survival rate, then you need to put down your koolaid.
Quit your whining already. Obviously you’ve never truly had your freedom taken away. Sip on that koolaid for a bit.
Enjoy your house and being stuck in those four walls big poppa.
I on the other hand choose to live and take my chances.
Trust me, the same paranoids will be the first to object to property taxes in 2022. Worse, they won’t even make the connection. I’m the person who told you in August we’d be opening up in April 2021. I’m also the person who told you in April 2020 that Alden wouldn’t budge despite reason, economics, or facts. For those making fun of these two young people trying to LIVE life, beware of what you wish for.
Doesnt matter. Those were the agreed terms to enter the Cayman Islands and they broke them. Why the laws they broke are in place is circumstantial.
I’m pretty sure you haven’t even read 1984, as per most people who reference it in such posts.
12.30, it’s not madness ..It’s preserving the way of life we have here which you seem to take for granted.
The stats are equally clear that 100% of those who contract Covid have to go in isolation, can’t work and have their lives completely disrupted.
These two idiots shut down Cayman as we know it.
For some of us it’s a matter of principle rather than irrational fear. We all got locked up, our economy destroyed, etc. They knew what they were doing, now they need to take their licks.
You obviously have not heard about long covid!
The skylar is the limit for these two.
Don’t give up your day job!
Wow – what a way to break up with your girlfriend. Get her jailed in your home country. There is a lesson in there somewhere.
Slip off those bracelets barbie
Okay, what about the 19 year old “kid” that broke quarantine TWICE? When does he go to court?
The 19 year old only gets a slap on the wrist. Caymanian entitlement has perks.
Never.
So now what about the Marina Drive boy that broke quarantine twice? Why should he get a pass?
Because he is Part of the CIG Family benefits plan. If you were part of the plan you wouldn’t have to ask.
He hasn’t gone to court yet. Maybe wait to complain until after you see the outcome?
Easy to pick on the foreigners – they deserve their punishment but don’t we just know- as we are already seeing- that Caymanians will not receive the same punishment.
CNS: Ramgeet is Caymanian.
Not a connected one clearly…
Exactly
CNS – i think the reference was to the Son of the Gov’t employee?
What an international disgrace and s*******
Hello! They are threatening to shoot people in other places for breaking quarantine. And some places have $750k fines. Our penalties are lightweight in comparison.
Finally, the punishment fits the crime. Trust me, for an 18 year old girl this entitled, who was this devious, this sentence is going to feel like the end of her life. She bet so much on not getting caught, got caught and now she is going to prison. Imagine that. It is sufficient both to deter anyone else who would try anything like this, and to punish her. She could lose her place in university or have to repeat a year, or not be able to practise medicine as her conduct was so dishonest and she will have to disclose the conviction to whichever regulator she would eventually apply to for a licence. She will go through the whole wringer. It will affect her for many years. Anyone saying she should serve two actual years of her life in prison for this etc. doesn’t know how sentencing works; it takes into account many, many factors the general public does not appreciate but would if they had the patience to have it explained to them. I am glad we got this right.
You sound like a true Christian
There’s something called a spent conviction, she’ll be fine if she stays within the laws…
Making a conviction ‘spent’ just takes it off your criminal record. It doesn’t remove your obligation to tell an employer, regulator etc. which asks you if you’ve ever been convicted to tell them yes and the details. They can inquire from there and when they do that for this girl, they’ll end up at these articles, so she’s probably done for already.
Correct. Almost as significant as the jail time is the criminal conviction. Likely for both of them.
Puppy love.
HA! Ha!
“they will almost certainly be spending the holidays in HMP Fairbanks and HMP Northward respectively.”
Even Clowns can have a Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas !
I note that the Canadian dentist got a $1,000 fine and was sent home with instructions to stay away until after the pandemic cleared. That seems a little unequal.
https://caymannewsservice.com/2020/11/pair-fined-2000-as-more-isolation-breaches-revealed/
CNS: MPs changed the law with regards to sentencing after the Canadian couple were sentenced.
The Canadian’s sentence should also be appealed if it is not too late. They own property here, and even though the law was changed, a custodial sentence was appropriate (and available) for them as well.
You can’t appeal a sentence based on a change to the law after they were already sentenced.
But I agree a custodial sentence, even 30 days or 60 days would have been appropriate in that case too. a 5K or even 10K fine wouldn’t have been nearly as traumatising to those two as a few weeks behind bars.
I wonder if their $2600 fines were still applicable and the cost of govt quarantine (to be paid by them) or if the public purse nw had to eat these costs plus the cost of them in jail??? CNS, do you know if the fines and govt quarantine costs were left intact please?
CNS NOTE: All of the orders handed down by the magistrate in summary court including the costs and bans etc remain the only thing that was changed was what was appealed which was the community service sentence that was changed into prison time.
Worth it