Pedro says ‘ravers’ breached contract

| 16/07/2019 | 93 Comments
Cayman News Service
Pedro St James

(CNS): Residents around the Pedro St James historic site were furious this weekend when a ‘rave’ at the location got out of hand. But the Tourism Attraction Board (TAB) has said that organisers of the event were in breach of the rental terms and they will not be allowed to host any more similar events at the site. Pedro St James Castle can be booked for many kinds events, mostly cultural events and weddings. However, on Friday the location was booked for a soca-rave.

Residents in the area complained to the RCIPS and the TAB, which runs Pedro, and also sent video to CNS recording the noise level of the session and the cursing, which could be heard over the speakers, that people living in the area had to endure into the early morning hours on Saturday. They also sent images of the garbage strewn around the area in the aftermath of the session. Because this was not the first of its kind and the sessions have been getting more and more loud and unruly, residents are appealing for the raves to stop.

Authorities at Pedro have been quick to confirm that they had received numerous complaints and would no longer offer the venue to the same renters. They also confirmed that their own staff had cleaned the area after the event.

“Due to the level of complaints received, the TAB/Pedro management has deemed the renter to be in breach of the Event Policy,” the TAB told CNS in response to our enquiries. They explained that the contract for renting the venue prohibits any use that could tarnish the reputation of Pedro St James Castle.

In light of the loud music, cursing over the loudspeakers and numerous complaints, the TAB confirmed that “the renter will no longer be allowed to host events at the Pedro St James property”.

The TAB also said it was working to ensure that anyone who rents the venue sticks to the rules in the rental policy agreements.

“We are making further adjustments to our policies to improve the quality of events being held at the property,” officials said. “With immediate effect, any renters who are found to be in breach of these rules will be suspended indefinitely from hosting events at the property. The Tourism Attraction Board and Pedro St James apologises to neighboring residents for any offensive language or music that was said to have been heard over the loud speakers.”

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  1. Caymanian Donkey says:

    Well if you’re gonna stop this, maybe we should also stop Batabano and Pirates Week as the same stuff goes on there.
    As adults we have been having these sorts of parties for years, why should we expect anything different from our kids be thankful they are there no fights, not braking into our homes.
    Enjoy youth!

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    • WOW says:

      For your information the Pirates Week and Batabano of old were more about Family, Children and Community and not the drug, alcohol, sexual, cultural fiasco it is today.

      Since about 2002 and up, these events have been overrun by persons of different cultures that are pushed, and most of those other cultures are not very good, and has caused these events to lose the Community culture that once was a big part.

      Just like the Heritage District Days have been chewed up. I remember going to all of them and the Main events. Now-a-days I refuse to go and I will never take my kids, or grand kids, to them. The strong sexual and drug overtone has become the norm.

      Caymanian bands played these events, with maybe one international act (Byron Lee). Now you cant even see any caymanian bands.

      Change is enevetable but it should be good change and not bad change, which occured.

      The events occuring at a National Heritage/Cultural site ( Pedro Castle) have no bussiness being held there.

      • Pedro resident345 says:

        Batabano was always about adults getting on bad hence why it’s a carnival type event just like in Trinidad and Tobago.

  2. Anonymous says:

    TAB should focus on the positives here. “Pedro Castle gets rave reviews!”

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  3. Anonymous says:

    So will the TAB assure residents in the area that this was the last event of this magnitude of stupidity to be ever held at Pedro St. James??

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  4. Anonymous says:

    Bandaid approach. What is needed is proper regulation of what is, and is not, allowable noise levels off your property. The police should be able to pull up to the side of the road, raise a meter in the air, and if it hits red that’s a 15 minute time-out for the event. If it happens a second time, that’s party over. No asking the police to make judgement calls between neighbors. Or relying on venues no longer allowing certain renters any longer. That later just moves the problem somewhere else. What is needed is for the LA/CIG to do their jobs and legislate ‘anything louder than this is unacceptable disturbance to your neighbors’. With proper sound engineering it can be loud on the dance floor and soft on the outside. Turn the speakers in and point them down. (Turning them down helps too of course.)

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    • Anonymous says:

      Agreed. Proper legislation is sorely needed in this area

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      • Anonymous says:

        The legislation exists. The police fail to enforce it.

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        • Anonymous says:

          They do not just fail. They refuse. There is a difference, and it is embarrassing and dangerous. They need to start enforcing all our laws without fear or favor, or resign en masse so we can bring in some professionals to do their job. Dubai works well with an imported professional police force. Perhaps we should consider the same.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I assume you mean the Town & Communities Law. Unfortunately that does not give a set noise level to differentiate between problem and not-problem. Having called the police (and had them called on me) I know that it puts them in a hard position having to judge what is a problem and what is not. The Law needs to be clearer (more precise).

    • BeaumontZodecloun says:

      Exactly right. Town and Communities law is what is most applicable, and while it references a decibel level, it never states what that level is. We shouldn’t try to reinvent the wheel, but mirror that which has already been long established in the UK.

      Any entity should not be able to blast music in a residential area. There are plenty of locations in which that can be done without infringing upon the sensibilities and rights of others. It’s called a “statutory nuisance”, and it isn’t enforced very much; Mostly police respond to complaints and “urge” the business or entity to turn it down. It’s not the RCIPS fault. Those are the tools which they are given.

      There need to be established decibel levels that are acceptable to the residential areas, and those levels enforced, with real consequences for transgressions.

      Look, we all want to have a good time, somewhere. Why should anyone be allowed to inflict the product of their good time on others who don’t share it? It’s not a reasonable thing.

  5. Gray Matter says:

    BUILD THE WALL_______Keep the 3rd World country’s Trash out.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Blame your government for the ghetto that the Cayman Islands have become. Those in government are only concerned about the work permit fees, which as a result of those permits, have imported low class, low life people, who have brought their nasty behaviour and acts here. They commit crimes and break laws, but they are overlooked by their very own, who are hire go keep the peace. When are we going to take our country back??

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    • Anonymous says:

      Ummm, you on de wrong side of the wall to say dat.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I love Jamaican people in general, but HATE their tendencies while partying to ensure everyone in a 5 mile radius can hear their DJ cutting the music to scream into a mic every 10 seconds.

      The backyard preachers who can’t attract a congregation that blast their screaming sermons through loudspeakers are just as bad!

      Please keep it to yourselves!

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      • Anonymous says:

        Agree!! The music and preachers need to be silenced. I don’t care to hear any of that nonsense at 1am!

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  6. Anonymous says:

    Bunch of old, fuddy-duddys on this island. Nothing was damaged and the main complaint was noise and swearing… on a Friday night… who cares? People who come to this island to have fun, beware of the old stick in the muds that live here.

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    • Anonymous says:

      8:51am, did you watch the low life, ghetto display on the video of the young people.? Some countries in our area are not concerned about decency, which is one of the pillars of life. We need to close the flood gates and block them out.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Yes and our neighbours to south east is filled with aimless, loafing young and old people who want do nothing but “smoke, drink and love my girl/s to some reggae, then turn around the blame society and the government for the country’s short comings. Just would hate to see the Cayman Islands follow the same self destructive path.

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    • Anonymous says:

      8.51am. Really now!!!! You got a lot to learn. Pitiful you.

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    • I care says:

      Who cares?
      Decent people do. Families should not have their children subjected to cursing and lewd behaviors at anytime of day or night. There is fun and then there is FUN.
      DIosrespect for the dead by defacing their graves and dancing on top of them is also not acceptable.

      The Cayman Islands is becoming a place I no longer recognize as the home I was born into and have lived for the las 51 years.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Well ya see famo, you don’t live in Pedro, that party was waaaaaay to rasssss loud. Party going on till 2 in the morning…….I man has to work OT (over time) the next day(Saturday). The bass from the music was vibrating my windows blld, so I called the po-po n tell dem say deh need fi tun down deh music.

  7. Anonymous says:

    This is just that good Christian Cayman culture that Tony Eden and Arden were defending in the LA

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  8. Anonymous says:

    Is the ‘renter’ referred to in the article the same renter that is promoting the upcoming weekend event being billed as Rumpy. Or is there any affiliation/correlation. In any event, as a resident of the area, I implore TAB to cancel this event immediately- as I foresee many issues that weekend.

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  9. Anonymous says:

    A very large deposit.

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  10. Anonymous says:

    Simple fix- STOP all of these events with immediate effect. Whoever has the place booked will have to source another venue. Case closed.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Umm, that’s what they did bright spark

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    • Pedro castle resident345 says:

      Negative, I am a Pedro castle resident the only event I approve of is “RUB-A-DUB” which they only place 90’s and 80’s dance hall and reggae, like beres Hammond and buju banton. Only event I approve to.

  11. Anonymous says:

    We could hear them from miles away. Disgusting

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  12. Anonymous says:

    What do you expect. We even have a junior Batabano to train the youngsters

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  13. Anonymous says:

    Knock that dump down and build some nice high end condos.

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  14. Anonymous says:

    Anybody remember the “jump up” like we used to have in the 80’s? That was a good time, nothing got out of hand, everybody happy.

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  15. Anonymous says:

    CNS how you gonna claim say you have the meat (video) and just serve us salad? cmon now

    CNS: We didn’t show the video because the quality was very poor and the audio was not suitable.

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  16. R.I.P. says:

    No big ting, we get this almost every night in Windsor Park the national headquarters for “Sessions”.

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    • Anonymous says:

      And the dude that blazes his gospel garbage till all hours of the night. I live on South Church Street and can hear it from my house.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Long Live Rolando aka Batman

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      • Anonymous says:

        Gospel a Cayman ting, no big ting. Bob Marley, no way jose….

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      • anon says:

        7.24 am I have the same problem and also live off South Church St. This maniac who has been doing this for the last 35 years can preach and caterwaul (he thinks he can sing as well), 24 hours a day for all I care, but NOT over amplifiers broadcasting with a range of more than a mile. I have called the police many times, they go down Walkers Rd and shut him up, and an hour later he starts up again. His equipment needs to be confiscated.

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    • Anonymous says:

      8.00pm .. if you are disturbed by it… do something about it!!!!! We have to take a stand!!!!

  17. SSM345 says:

    Everyone going hell for playing music and drinking on Saturday night yet these same Christians complaining be at a bar on Sunday morning before church service gets out, committing adultery, tiefing, practicing bigotry and racism, the list goes on.

    Meanwhile in other news, PPM about to kill Cayman but lets complain about some music that played after the fact for a little bit longer than advertised…..

    If someone in Cayman was to create a cherry farm we would be the best pickers i n the world.
    FACT.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I live two roads over and could hear the music in my home with the windows and doors closed. I could hear it well enough to sing along to the songs…It was way too loud. The worse one was the one during Batabano, which was on a week day when kids had school the next morning and adults had work.

      At least confine to weekends and don’t let it go on until 2AM in a residential neighborhood.

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      • Anonymous says:

        This kind of crap happens EVERY weekend on the Brac. I live a half mile from a certain bar, and can hear every song, even with my doors and windows closed. I can’t imagine what it’s like living closer, but I’m glad I don’t. This shouldn’t be allowed to happen. There have been times when it was so loud that I called the police. Nothing happened.

    • Wha ya say says:

      Oh. Okay. So your fine with this stuff huh?

      Did your Momma walk around showing her privates to everyone fully when she went out?

      Guess you were concieved in the bushes?

      This place is supposed to be about “Cayman Culture”. And its in a residential neighborhood.

      I only say this because is sounds as though your “Culture” is just that type.

      God Forbid you have a daughter. She will be wrecked before she is 12 because you gonna let her go out from then and do that stuff.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Poor you. Somebody blocking your view?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Bro’ I am not sure what you are trying to say. Can you roll this up into something more succinct?
      I do like cherries though.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I know the wife’s away but go easy on the herb bro.

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  18. Anonymous says:

    With the amount of money they get from government they still have to rent it out to such a event. Sell it to DART

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  19. Done reach says:

    The police did not act, because they are too busy driving taxi, and other side jobs, where are the police when we all need them.

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  20. Anonymous says:

    ghetto stuff….

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  21. Elvis says:

    Takes noise and garbage deposit and damage deposit , that should stop the idiots from behaving like animals

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  22. Anonymous says:

    Regarding the event, I would say that people can only control themselves. No matter the event, people will choose personally how they wish to conduct themselves. I would not say that the event hoster breached his contract, if the Pedro authorities were aware of the event from the beginning.

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    • Caymanian says:

      While I agree the event organizer can not be held responsible for the behaviour of the attendees I will say the organizer can, and should, be help accountable for the DJ’s.

      The music that is played at these “Raves”, “Fetes”, “Promotions” ect….. is very vulgar. The DJ’s themselves are heard cursing.

      That can be accountable to the organizer and Promoter.

      In any event this venue is a Government owned “Caymanian Cultural Heritage Site”. These types of events have nothing to do with “Caymanian Culture” therfore should NOT be allowed there.

      Gone are the days of Respectable Caymanians ………like Hubert, Jay, Abshire, Hon. Jim Bodden, Otis Jackson, Mr. Panton ect…. this kind of stuff would NEVER occured with them.

      That’s “Caymanian Culture”, not this drug, gun, violence and sexual infused mixed up culture that false people are trying to portray as “Caymanian Culture”.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Comon now Caymanian, these are kids having fun like you used to do. Times has changed but it’s still fun. Some of those names you mentioned bring back memories of a Cayman that was racially divided, let’s not long for those days!

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        • Put it up says:

          I am sorry, but you are DEAD WRONG. These names are of a CAYMAN that DID NOT engage in the so called racial culture. Everybody respected everybody. We all treated each other good, no mention of this racial stuff. Black, white, green, yellow it did not matter. Mr. Godfrey, Mr. Thompson, Mr.Coe ect……

          The only people that have ANY ANAMOSITY for those days are the people that were lazy, violent, drug abusing no good morons.

          Times change yes, but it needs to be a good change, not bad.

          So you think that women dancing, at a Gov’t Heritage Site, as if they working a pole in a strip club is okay? Playing music with the most vulgar language, is okay???? In a residential neighborhood is okay?????

          Tell me this, where is your Momma, Daddy, Grandparents? Alive or dead. Your House, wife, kids?

          I will fully finance one of these “harmless parties” to be held at your place of choice. In fact we can host one at each. Free alcohol even…..

          Only one thing you have to be there…….

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  23. Anonymous says:

    Why did the police not act? What do they do? My regard for them diminishes daily, and I thought it was already at rock bottom.

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  24. Anonymous says:

    Is there a no plugging clause built in or something?

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  25. Anonymous says:

    Please not that this was NOT a “soca-rave” but a dancehall event.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Methinks the host does not know the meaning of this term…’rave’

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    • Lets see says:

      I am surprised the Deputy Premier, who has responsibilty over this area (TAB), would allow for these kinds of events to occur at this venue.

      Would it be safe to say that he himself, and maybe the TAB are present when these events occur, hence why they are allowed to be held in this venue?

      Or are they being paid off to allow them and turn a blind eye.

      Apparently they are already advertising a session called “RUMPY” in August for Pedro Castle. I guess that means they will be focusing on peoples “RUMPS”.

      Next up will be “SEXALL FETE” or “BUBBY FETE”. I wonder what that will showcase????????

      Hope to see the TAB there at these functions of Culture.

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  26. Anonymous says:

    They should require a substantial damage deposit from people renting the place – that would put them off misbehaving.

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  27. Anonymous says:

    Good

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