Local LGBTI activists weigh in on UK review
(CNS): Colours Cayman, a local NGO supporting the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex community, has submitted a written statement highlighting “the violation of LGBTI rights by the Cayman Islands Government” to the Foreign Affairs select committee that is currently reviewing Britain’s relationship with its territories. The activists are hoping the UK will step in to address the discrimination against the members of that community. Colours accused the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of poorly managing its responsibilities towards LGBTI people, who are “severely disfranchised”, they said.
In addition to the absence of marriage equality and the UK’s failure to force the local government’s hand on that, Colours stated in the submission that the FCO had ignored pleas for assistance in bringing about change.
“While Colours Cayman has petitioned for legal change to end the discrimination of persons on the basis of their sexual orientation or gender identity, both Cayman Islands Premier Alden McLaughlin and members of the opposition have stated publicly that they have no intention of addressing these issues,” the activists told the committee.
The activists also stated that they had directly petitioned the FCO to address the discrimination against LGBTI people back in September 2016, but to date they have still not received a response.
As part of the submission, Colours also consulted legal LGBTI expert the Dr Leonardo Javier Raznovich, who has supported the activists with a lengthy document outlining the legal problems in the territories, instances of politicians engaging in hate speech, the refusal by the local government to enact any legislation in support of LGBT rights and the UK’s failure to address the clear discrimination.
See UK Parliament website: The future of the UK Overseas Territories inquiry
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Sometimes this little country of ours really is shamefully backward and stupid.
God has nothing to do with your views, it’s just uneducated, petty prejudice.
Get over yourselves, and get your busybody noses out of other people’s bedrooms and marriages.
Why do leftists believe that it’s perfectly OK to deny children growing up without a mother and a father?
Please watch this video clip below. It downright applies to us here in the Cayman Islands.
https://youtu.be/RLHxNXVXWek
A pastor does Epic Pro-Gay Sermon.
Question(s);
This week at Camana Bay, there is a locally produced documentary on the impact the absence of fathers in our homes is having on our society.
How do these long-established and study-based realities fit into the modern world as envisioned by the “Equal Marriage” / “Love is Love” crowd?
Will same sex couples / families not experience the challenges of raising a child in the absence of balanced perspective, hormones, societal norms etc?
(Oops, I said “norms”. A thousand pardons.)
Or, are we deciding to shelve these issues as they are now deemed politically incorrect?
(I know of quite a few single mothers struggling to raise and control their sons who are DESPERATE for a male role model.
Not to suggest she is a failure, for she could be the greatest mother in the world. However, she will NEVER be a father to that boy and in this case, a father figure may be the missing piece.
Look around any western urban setting and we see absent adult males as a recurring reality as it concerns underage crime, gangs, delinquency, etc – Lancashire, England included.
I won’t even touch on the epidemic of FATHERLESS (not love-less, i.e. she may have a mother and a host of aunties, grandma, cousins etc.) young girls giving themselves away for cheap or nothing in their search for “love” and validation by men.
We know the story all too well.)
E.g. Lesbian parents rising a delinquent and aggressive son can never be categorised as a situation where the absence of strong, male leadership IN THE HOME can be considered as a potential cause?
– Whodatis
*Before anyone replies, allow me to remind you that ALL OF US (regardless of background), be it currently or in our younger days, pin-pointed individuals / families / relatives etc whereby the absence of either parental and or gender role contributed to behavioural challenges and unfortunate ultimate circumstances.
(Personally, I am a great respecter of the unquantifiable but undeniable essence of MALE+FEMALE dynamism. As a man I am regularly left in awe of the perspective the women in my life provide – and vice versa. It is as if 2 halves of a complete unit.)
Said dynamism extends far beyond sex, “love”, and relationships.
I just wish some people would get out of their feelings, cease with the shaming tactics at every given opportunity and see the wider picture because – the conversation doesn’t end at the point where many believe it does.
My mother passed (rest in peace) when I was 3, my dad raised me without a mother in the home and I turned out fine.
My coworker is infertile and she adopted a boy and a girl when they were born because their biological parents were deemed unfit for parenthood. They are now 12 and 15, both are excelling in school. She did great with them.
Any child would prefer a home over being stuck in an orphanage.
Let us not disregard that 99% of homosexual couples opt not to adopt. I think if they really wanted kids they would’ve been straight, no?
The two indeed become one. You are correct again.
I continue to be amazed at how bigoted so many Caymanians are. These remarks are astounding, and sadly, very different from the picture of Caymanians that I have had for many, many year.
Please define what is bigot or hateful that is here? Fill me in
go to england if thats the lifestyle they want live na here we dnt want it
It actually doesn’t matter what you want personally. The fact is that there are Caymanians who are gay. If the law makes provisions for a heterosexual union to be recognised, then it must also make provisions for a homosexual union to be recognised. Its really just that simple.
Man’s version of the fictional concept of “god” change. Ah Bolom Tzacab is my personal favourite fairy story. How about you?
It’s kinda funny how the arguments in here mirror all the arguments used on forums a decade ago on US forums until marriage equality was implemented and all the anti-gay jackasses could do was pound sand.
At this rate, we’ll have Caymanians in 2030 calling for the government to build sea walls to keep Jamaicans out and whatever will be the Caymanian version of incel will have to be explained to our parents.
Lets have a referendum
I know what side of the fence I sit on,
A gay woman can marry a gay man. Same rights as everyone.
Ridiculous comment.
Not really. Heterosexual men can’t marry either. Same as gays. But they have different motivations you say? Well, that means that really this is all about the right to be a b—- pirate.
Good Day to all The Cayman Islands. I wonder if you all realize how selfish you all sound by continuing to spread your HATE, DISCRIMINATION, STIGMA against your own CAYMANIAN LGBT CAYMANIANS. DO any of you have any idea how many MARRIED CAYMANIAN MEN I HAVE SEEN DANCING, DRINKING, IN THE GAY BARS IN FLORIDA. Many of you have no idea. Yet you ALL CONTINUE TO HATE, DISCRIMINATE and believe THE CAYMAN ISLANDS HAVE NO LGBT BORN CAYMANIANS and are above the LAWS. Some of these very same MARRIED CAYMANIAN MEN walking around in our country sit in the highest jobs in our little piece of PARADISE. THE LA, yes that is CORRECT. Yet the so called God fearing church going money making hipcrots singing, in many of the churches are they SAME ONES WHO SPREAD HATE, DISCRIMINATION, STIGMA TOWARDS US GAY CAYMANIANS.
Take a moment and realize, that none of you have the right to judge anyone. Do me a favour and realize this. In God’s eyes WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL. YES THAT IS CORRECT. When you call US GAY CAYMANIANS NAMES, and CONTINUE TO SPREAD YOUR HATE, DISCRIMINATION, STIGMA. And YES, none of you KNOW WHAT YOUR CHILDREN WILL GROW UP TO BECOME. REMEMBER THIS WE ALL HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW.
IF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS continue to DOWN RIGHT REFUSE US EQUAL RIGHTS IT CAN BE FOUGHT ELSEWHERE. THE CAYMAN ISLANDS COURTS ISN’T AND DOESN’T HAVE THE FINAL SAY. DO SOME RESEARCH, READ, YES READ AND HEAR THIS LOUD AND CLEAR. I HAVE SAID THIS AND WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT.
WHEN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS GOVERNMENT CONTINUE TO NOT HONOUR THE 3 BASICIS HUMAN RIGHTS EACH CAYMANIAN HAVE. ACCESS TO food, proper housing, medical care. THEY ARE IN BREACH OF THE EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS. WHICH THE CAYMAN ISLANDS HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO, SINCE THE 1950’S. This ISSUE ISN’T GOING AWAY. It has just gotten started. THE CAYMAN ISLANDS GOVERNMENT, continues to BOAST how much MONEY THEY HAVE IN SURPLUS. BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH IT.
THE ANSWER, NOTHING, NOTHING. THE NAU CONTINUES TO DOWN RIGHT REFUSE THOSE OF US THAT ARE IN NEED OF. FOOD, PROPER HOUSING, MEDICAL. THE PAST AND PRESENT GOVERNMENTS have done NOTHING. YET CAYMANIANS CONTINUE TO BE THEY ONES WHO ARE SUFFERING. THEY CURRENT 19 MLA’S WHERE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS TO SERVE IT’S PEOPLE, NOT THEMSELVES. CHARITY BEGINS AT home.
I will continue to fight for my 3 basic Human Rights, till THE CAYMAN ISLANDS GOVERNMENT DOES THE RIGHT THING. ANY REFUSAL OF THESE 3 BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
THE CAYMAN ISLANDS GOVERNMENT IS AND I QUOTE. IN BREACH OF THE EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS.
A BORN GAY CAYMANIAN. Thank you all. Please let’s do the right thing. NO ONE OF US CAYMANIANS HAVE ANY MORE RIGHTS THAN ANOTHER. IN GOD’S EYES HE CREATED US ALL, US ALL EQUAL.
AND PLEASE STOP WITH THE annoymous postings. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF.
Thank you,
Chet Oswald Ebanks.
A BORN CAYMANIAN GAY MAN AND A PROUD CAYMANIAN.
Stop spreading lies! Where is the HATE you say we are spreading?
At least, please give us a newspaper article to support your claims that we Caymanians are spreading hate.
This is our peaceful island and you know it!
you must be joking……………….
The CIG continues to file legal challenges to oppose the rights of their citizens, even though they have an obligation to provide these things…is that done out of love, respect, or grace? No.
What the hell ever
Dear Chet,
XXXXX
As for NAU, I have a 20 year old, straight, single, female cousin that criticises them in a similar way – but without any suggestion of their failings being based on her sexual orientation.
All of my gay relatives and friends get along as fine as the rest of us here on this little rock.
As for societal pushback, I will agree, that you have experienced this as I witnessed it personally (some 20 years ago).
However, in that same environment, there were Hispanic / Latin / Spanish women also being discriminated against due to what they were.
Did you also notice that?
At the end of the day, Cayman does not treat its gay community like lepers as you are implying.
I won’t allow you to spread that lie without correction.
Please read the except below, published in The Week, (2007).
You will note that despite your protests and blind obedience to bigoted laws, marriage itself has evolved and along with it the rights of women to be seen as legitimate citizens with human rights.
So the question you must ask is why can’t evolve further?
‘Marriages primary purpose was to bind women to men, and thus guarantee that a mans children were truly his biological heirs. Through marriage, a woman became a mans property. In the betrothal ceremony of ancient Greece, a father would hand over his daughter with these words: I pledge my daughter for the purpose of producing legitimate offspring. Among the ancient Hebrews, men were free to take several wives; married Greeks and Romans were free to satisfy their sexual urges with concubines, prostitutes, and even teenage male lovers, while their wives were required to stay home and tend to the household. If wives failed to produce offspring, their husbands could give them back and marry someone else.’
‘As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized. By the eighth century, marriage was widely accepted in the Catholic church as a sacrament, or a ceremony to bestow Gods grace. At the Council of Trent in 1563, the sacramental nature of marriage was written into canon law.’
Blah be blah be blah blah
And there you have the uneducated response to a reasoned and historical argument which neither supports or denies gay marriage. It just explains to the ‘traditionalists’ that marriage evolves.
But what did we expect from such morons.
All you need is love. …da da da da da
The Premier along with “his” government needs to come to the realization that this issue is not going to magically go away. Gay persons exist, Gay Caymanians exist and only want to live and love just like anyone else.
If god had no part in this why are all gays so cute.
Cause god didn’t rest on sunday 😉
11:37
You don’t have the right to force your life style down my throat either!
How are they forcing it onto you?
All they want is equal rights. Hospital visitation, ability to get a loan/home together, basic stuff..
How does allowing other humans equal rights force anything onto you? You are the one forcing an agenda by preventing them from forming a union.
Again, can you give one real negative effect on your life should gay marriage be legalized?
If the entire population of the world was to become homosexuals, that would mean the extinction of humankind, in other words they serve no purpose here on earth, all colours should run red.
CNS: Around 4.5% of the population is estimated to be LGBT, which doesn’t look likely to change. Phew! Humankind is safe. But how utterly shameful of you to say that people who don’t have children serve no purpose.
If the entire population of the world was to become male, that would mean the extinction of humankind, in other words they serve no purpose here on earth.
If the entire population of the world was to become female, that would mean the extinction of humankind, in other words they serve no purpose here on earth.
Shall I go on
How dare you! There are many females passed, passing and will pass through this life that do not have children. You need to go put your head in the washing machine before somebody mangles it for you. Thank you CNS for your correct comment.
Not to mention the men who are sterile
My thumbs up only for the CNS comment.
A Simple Answer:
Your “gay rights” will be trampling on other people’s rights. And this is what we are seeing unfolded before our very eyes.
THIS IS A BIG NEGATIVE EFFECT!
I hope I answered your question.
How very misinformed you are. It’s not gay rights they want. It’s equal rights. The same rights that a heterosexual couple has, i.e. the ability to be recognized as lawfully married. That’s all.
Nope. Not at all. You are the misinformed. Gay rights are gay rights. They are special rights other than the rights we have now. And whenever a new right is made law, in the zero sum game of life, it impinges the right of another person.
Do some research before you make silly assumptions.
Engage your brain before you make silly comments. Go on – explain what special “gay” rights are envisaged that don’t apply to heterosexuals. Then whilst you are about it, explain how granting someone rights is a zero sum game. How does allowing a gay couple to marry in any way impinge on your rights?
Lol … so having your own bathroom isn’t a special right? You LGBT lot talking equality jus amazes me.
Having your own bathroom because you aren’t sure what gender you really are is irrelevant
We’re talking about a grown adult male or female having the autonomy to love another male or female, however they find their partner.
This is about having a sexual preference, not having a gender identity crisis.
I’m a gay man and I’ve never gone to any other than the men’s bathroom.
At no point was anyone aware of my orientation or had a problem with my presence.
I too am waiting for an answer. How does granting equal rights to gay people impinge on your rights? List just one or two ways!!
Everyone remain calm and do not feed the troll
No!!! Get it they your skull
That makes no sense.
Giving them equal rights doesn’t require anyone else to forfeit any of yours.
You just don’t like adults having the freedom they deserve because some 2000 year old book says no.
“2000 year old book”
A typical STRAW MAN FALLACY you guys use to pre-judge all your opponents, as religious or christian.
Alot of people see through your straw man logic.
It got us this far, I bet if there was a 2000 year old book legitimizing homesexuality you would be quoting from it
Might be, but I bet he wouldn’t be forcing his homosexual lifestyle on others and threatening them with damnation from his homosexual goddess.
Exactly, rights are not pie slices that someone else has to forfeit or share. Everyone wins.
Straight people can’t wven get those rights, why not just remain human, why label yourselves lgbt etc just say you are a human being and done the argument na
Eh? ‘Straight people can’t even get’ which rights, exactly?
Forcing how?
You’re the one forcing your views onto them.
“I’m vegetarian and don’t approve of my family eating meat. Therefore, I prohibit you, a grown adult, from eating meat.”
By Law!
Cannabis was just legalized in Canada, yet that doesn’t mean every adult has to partake.
That’s a stupid rebuttal.
But every adult will have to recognize your love affair and permit teachers to teach it to their children! Your ssm laws are communistic if you ask me.
Agreed and its full time we stop corrupting the future youths….geesh! They claim no one cares abt gays so why do they need special rights? When was this ever done historically? What about everyday citizens whos rights get violated daily already?
Screw off
Keep up pal. They are not asking for special rights. Equal rights. Nothing more, nothing less. In my view, that is not too much to ask.
There are other things that could be forced down your throat…
Allowing gay marriage is coming Caymans way , this will not be stopped by the government , may as well accept and learn to live with it .Trust me Nobody will turn gay because its here .Stop wasting money on fighting this in the courts , save the money for schools and roads and the elderly who have to skip meals because of no money .
Good luck! The sooner we can sort this out we could move onto more pressing issues that actually affect other people’s lives. Unlike this which affects a select few who deserve better.
The UK governments nor any of its committees has any business in the domestic laws of the Cayman Islands. I do not believe any one is forcing their religion on anyone. You agree with the gay lifestyle, some of us don’t . Why would we change our laws to suit you. Do you think if the majority were gay and the laws were in favour of the gay lifestyle then along comes a small group who decided to go against the majority that the small group would have any rights to try to change the laws and norms to suit themselves.
So…. you don’t believe in equal rights for everybody. Okay, got it.
If you DO believe in equal rights, as guaranteed by our Constitution, then what gives you the gall to accuse anyone of trying to ‘change the laws’??
Let me put this to you more gently, as it really gets me dander up: Do you wish your children, or your children’s children to have different rights based upon whom they choose to love? Do you want your children, or mine, or their children’s children to be denied Constitutionally guaranteed rights, because of your own beliefs?
No? Good call. Me either. Moreover, I can’t imagine why it is any of my business who loves/marries. What IS my business is that all Caymanians are assured the same equality and rights as everyone else.
International Observance of Human Rights, not domestic bigotry by small minded idiots who only select the laws they want to observe and enforce.
Slavery was once part of domestic UK law, but times move on and there is no place for inequality, discrimination, injustice or blind ingnorance of an individuals rights.
Caymanians like to quote their ‘laws’ when if suits there narrow view of the world. However, they have an appalling record of domestic abuse, infidelity and under age/single parent pregnancy amongst their small population, yet still like to quote the sanctity of traditional marriage.
If your ‘traditional’ society wasn’t so damn hypocritical you’d be able to see the stupidly of your argument.
Drop the slavery argument because it was never a sin to be Black
Spot on ! We are born black, nobody is born gay! They cant prove it to this day.
Neither can it be scientifically proven that people are not born gay.
Blacks were surely treated as if it was a sin to be black and they had an option to turn white or suffer, though!!
All of you were created equal.
Yes, and some choose to believe in their Creator and the fools don’t.
Repeat after me before commenting:
Letting an adult love another adult regardless of gender will not force you or your kids to become gay.
You are not the victim here simply because your religious beliefs don’t align with it.
You have no right to tell them they can’t be gay simply because you don’t agree with it, religious or not.
The concept of marriage is older than your religion.
Their civil union / marriage will not negatively affect your life, family or the value of your marriage in any way.
Prohibiting gay marriage because they won’t have kids is a very stupid argument. I’m married and we don’t want kids.
Not allowing civil unions between gay people does nothing to stop people from being gay.
Our constitution allows freedom from religion – you have no right to force your indoctrinated lifestyle down other Caymanian’s throats.
I refuse to let you tell me how to think or what to say.
Nobody is trying to tell you how to think or speak. They are simply asking you to extend the same respect as you are afforded to everyone else. That’s it. Nothing spooky or difficult.
Distilled: Those rights you enjoy — everyone gets to enjoy them also.
What about my right to use the word ‘gay’ to mean what it used to mean before it was hijacked by homosexuals and the like?
It wasn’t hijacked. Homophobes like you turned it into negative slang.
As in happy and ? LOLOL Sure, knock yourself out. Let’s be honest here though…….. you were really stretching to find a “right” of yours that was being infringed upon, weren’t you? 😀
Well, that’s a doozie. Well done. 😀
The meanings of words change over time. Read Shakespeare for details. Heard of him? Use words with their past meanings all you want, it is just that your can communication will be less effective.
You have your opinion. I have mine. Leave it at that. If you want gay marriage, then vote for it. Stop forcing, you are hurting me.
You probably shout ouch when a truck drives by your house too.
Without any reference to any holy book, please also respect the constitional definition of marriage as between a man and a woman and stop trying to force a gay agenda down peoples throats. If you truly believed what you are spouting you would be trying to get ALL countries to re-define marriage.
mar·riage
/ˈmerij/Submit
noun
1.
the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).
“a happy marriage”
synonyms: wedding, wedding ceremony, marriage ceremony, nuptials, union
“the marriage took place at St. Margaret’s”
To reiterate: (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).
Man’s definitions change. God’s do not.
Carry on.
Except that prior to Jesus, multiple wives were commonplace, and within Christianity the need for marriage to be blessed by the Church wasn’t until the 16th Century, so “God’s definition” seems a little more flexible if you ask me
What an extremely weak argument back. Can your God meet with the law witters and straighten this out himself or did he bless mankind with science to come to logical conclusions?
Spread love, not hate. You’re a part of the resistance to a peaceful future.
The definition in the constitution was driven by those pushing the extremist religious agenda. So stop trying to be cute.
Total rubbish, it was the accepted norm of society, so stop trying to imply religion just to satisfy your agenda. Just accept the constitution for what it is.
Constitutions change. And anyway Cayman’s is subject to higher legal norms with which the nation has to comply.
Constitutions change when lunatics run the asylum and the press co-conspires.
Just because a “press” outlet printed it, doesn’t mean it’s truth.
It used to be that way, but now we have agenda driven despots who want everyone to see the world through their eyes.
Deceivers. No more, no less. Their day will come.
One day, they will all face the Creator and their arrogance will evaporate in the face of pure Truth.
I would just say, prepare for that day. It will come to us all.
Just because people who thought that the sun orbited the earth wrote it 2000 years ago doesn’t mean it’s true either.
Bacteria was only discovered around a century ago. We were dumb back then.
Read the constitution again …it does not prohibit civil partnerships and the court will most like require CIG to pass civil partnership laws.
How misinformed you are. The courts cannot tell parliament to pass laws.
Your ignorance knows no bounds does it? Marriage doesn’t mean the same universally, otherwise polygamy wouldn’t exist nor would under age marriage or arranged marriages.
The Roman Emperor Nero married two men in succession, long before the church got its hooks into their blind followers.
So before you spout historically and geographic nonsense about a human, not religiously motivated constitution that has taken many forms to many different peoples over millennia, do your homework.
After Nero performed the first ever recorded marriage in latin history, the MORAL voice from Jews and Christians got on his nerve. A fire broke out in Rome, and that was used as an excuse to murder thousands of God-believers! Historical fact!
Is history repeating itself? Will those who believe in a “universal morality” be targetted by corrupt gay supporters or elites? We will see. Time will tell.
I am confused, did you mean to say the first “gay” marriage.
We know already that the children of the devil will attempt to behead all of God’s children, it’s in the book. They are not far away right now.
Cannot say I am happy about this, but when the time comes, I will be fine, thanks to God.
I completely agree. Well said!
Oh for Christ’s sake.
Do expand, sweetheart.
Yes expand
Or expound, even.