Panton offers backing to LGBT community
Wayne Panton, Minister of Financial Services, Commerce and Environment
(CNS): A Cabinet minister has taken a stand against comments condemning homosexuality made in the Legislative Assembly last week during a private member’s motion on traditional marriage. Saddened by the content and tone of the debate, Wayne Panton said he did not want to be associated in any way with much of what was said and is the first member of government to publicly offer his support to the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community in the fight to end discrimination. Panton said it was time for Cayman society to respect and embrace all of its people, regardless of their sexual orientation.
“I do not want to be associated with the language used or the arguments made on Thursday,” Panton told CNS. “I was astonished that so much was said that was so hurtful to the LGBT community in Cayman and we have to be better than that.”
Panton took no part in the debate on the motion presented by Anthony Eden asking government to reaffirm the constitutional and legislative position on marriage as a partnership between a man and a woman. Given that it was a purely academic proposition, requiring no change to any law or even preventing government from creating future legislation for civil unions, Panton said he had no reason to consider the motion controversial until the debate began.
“I was so shocked by the language used and the statements made on the floor of the Legislative Assembly that I did not believe I would be able to contribute in a constructive manner on the day,” he said, as he expressed his hurt, disappointment, regret and anger over the things that were said.
“The movers of the motion are my friends and they are kind and genuinely caring people but I have no explanation for the positions taken and why the debate devolved to that extent,” he added.
Regretting deeply the message that was delivered to the LGBT community, Panton said that this type of language was the reason why many Caymanians were forced to live overseas because they did not feel welcome in their own homeland and he condemned the position that was taken by his party colleagues.
“Why as a society should we tolerate the need for our sons, daughters and other family members to leave their own country because they feel our society won’t accept them as they are?” Panton asked, adding that such discrimination tore families apart. “People are even afraid to love family members who are gay because of what society will say.”
With a reasonable estimate that some 10-15% of the Caymanian population is within the LGBT community, Panton said it was important that those who are discriminating understand that this is not an “outside thing”.
“They are our people, our sisters and brothers, our aunts, uncles and our sons and daughters,” Panton said. “And It is not a chosen lifestyle. Who in the world would choose to subject themselves to this kind of oppression, denigration and vitriol?” he asked.
Panton he said he wanted his government colleagues and everyone in the Cayman community that harboured misconceptions about people of a different sexual orientation to understand that members of the LGBT community are no different from anyone else who suffers unfair discrimination and injustice.
“They feel, they hurt, just like any of us and deserve acceptance, love and respect,” Panton said.
The minister talked about the importance of assessing all people on their character and not their sexual orientation and expressed his outrage that links were drawn by his colleagues between homosexuality with paedophilia.
“It is ridiculous and certainly not logical or supported by any evidence,” he added.
Wanting gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people to feel they are a part of society, Panton said it was time for those with irrational prejudices on sexual orientation to redirect their intolerance.
“If we are going to be intolerant, let us be intolerant of crime, corruption and injustice, not our own people,” he said.
The minister said, however, that he remained hopeful of a sea change in opinions on the matter, as he pointed to the younger generation in Cayman who are much more understanding and realize that the old mentality on this is wrong and will not prevail in the end. He said the current prejudices are no different from the gender and race prejudices that today are roundly condemned.
“We have gone through trauma in history that we must learn from and stop the discrimination against sexual orientation,” he said. “This notion that it is against our culture is wrong. Human emotions are not expressed differently in different cultures. People don’t hurt less because they live in the Caribbean.”
Panton added that despite government’s acceptance of Anthony Eden’s motion, there is nothing in the constitution that prevents recognition of rights for same-sex unions.
“I was prepared to support the motion before I heard the debate as it merely confirms what’s in the constitution but at some point we will have civil unions and it is something as a community we need to arrive at together. Public opinion is already way ahead of the political body on this and when it happens we will have a better society. Nothing bad is going to happen because of it.”
Panton said he was looking forward to a time when Cayman society can put such intolerance behind it and when everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, is accepted on equal terms.
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The Church makes a distinction between someone’s desires/ sexual orientation, and someone’s actions. We can’t control our desires, and so they shouldn’t be central to our identity. You also can’t say someone is sinning just because they have certain desires because, like I said, you can’t control them. A wrong desire is a temptation and it isn’t a sin until you yield to that temptation. That is what the Church teach. I wouldn’t say that I’m straight or that you’re gay, but that you and I are men made in God’s image with different desires for sexual intimacy.
So our desires don’t define us, and they don’t condemn us either. But it is our actions that do define us, and we can be held accountable for them. After a time actions becomes habits and habits become character, and its hard for someone to change when they are so identified with a sinful desire. The temptations were there, but you are defined by what you.
It’s actions, not desires. This is important, because the Church teaches that we shouldn’t use sex for a purpose it wasn’t intended for. That means it’s wrong for anyone to engage in same-sex behavior, even if they’re straight.
If it’s for mere sexual release that is a sin. That would be wrong, because “love” isn’t just to be with someone to satisfy your urges. For me, the big question I ask when I think about tough issues like same-sex attraction is: What is sex for?”
If you look at nature, he clearly will see that God intended sex for procreation. It is not just for expressing your love for the other person, but sex is ordered towards making babies and uniting men and women for their good and the good of their children. That’s also why as a Catholic I’m against contraception, because it goes against what sex is for. To love someone you need to have that self-control in the marriage, it must be in accordance with God’s nature, so that another kind of love (lust) doesn’t become an idol creating a wedge in family relations.
Always the Church defends the family, because good families make a good nation.
Whether or not I totally agree with this position – I can respect the Opinion because it is not delivered with ‘hate’ as the core !
Nice to see a sane response every now and again. But this word “hate” – so emotional and aggressive. It seems to often be used to counter a conviction other than one’s own.
So, Catholic Response, why do so many of your priests have sex with alter boys and choir boys and other males. Not just homosexuality but pedophilia too-a totally separate thing.
Why don’t you address the hate and discrimination that caused this whole debate? It is not for you or Mr Eden to force your religious beliefs on the rest of the country and his message in the legislative assembly was rude and inappropriate.
It is important that everyone knows where these people stand on the LGBT issue before the next election.
Thank you Mr Panton. You are a kind and decent man and your stand against hatred is not surprising.
I am however surprised and disappointed that other members of your party do not have the balls to denounce Mr Eden’s unnecessary attack filled with bias and hate against a minority group.
As a Caymanian voter I am disgusted at the waste of time and the tax payers money when so many hours are taken up in the legislative assembly with hogwash such as this.
Mr McLaughlin, Mr Kirkconnell, Mr McTaggart, Mr Hew, its not too late to say something.
“The movers of the motion are my friends and they are kind and genuinely caring people but I have no explanation for the positions taken and why the debate devolved to that extent,”
Actually, Wayne. They might just be genuinely caring and kind, as long as they agree with you or on a certain matter/subject. Otherwise, we have this shameful display of intolerance and what seems to me, burning hate. I’m sure you are embarrassed and who wouldn’t be?!
Thank you for standing up and voicing your concerns and disgust with your friends and their views on this matter and what was said.
The reality is that Caymanian society overwhelmingly rejects the acceptance of homosexuality as a natural state. Whether you are in opposition to this has no bearing whatsoever. (Now, boys and girls worldwide, think it through before you hit the buttons, okay?)
Agreed 100% and a community has the absolute right to reject something which the majority of it’s citizens disagree with – that is not really the issue – it’s the hatred that’s a concern – where will it lead to – lynching, public executions etc ???
Thank you for your 100% agreement and your affirmation of the right of the Caymanian people to have its overwhelming viewpoint hold sway. However, and with all due respect, your comment regarding what a perceived “hatred” might lead to here in the Cayman islands tells me that you lack a basic knowledge and understanding of the country and its people.
absolutely 100% wrong 8.46am – I am Caymanian and understand my Island and its people., apparently more than you do.
So you reckon “lynching, public executions etc” of homosexuals might well figure in Cayman’s future unless its people embrace that which it evidently does not at present? What a spectacularly strange perspective.
The last I heard of lynching was back in the 1800’s at Smith Cove beach. Never liked that beach, later learnt why. :-/
Unfortunately the ignorance goes back a bit, a few ignorant young men tried to hang a well known name whose family owns quite a few stores, because he was gay!!! And you know who you are that tried to do this!!!
Ummm… who’s lynching? just who’s posing public executions against you??? Just asking 🙂
So, 6:16 in Cayman we have the right to object to black people or Jews for example getting fair treatment so long as we don’t lynch them or publicly execute them? Go back to school, bobo.
Bit like what they thought about slavery in the South then?
You are lumping an acceptance of slavery for financial gain by those in power (by depriving the slaves of a voice) in “the (U.S.) South” with the freely expressed belief of the majority of the people of another society, in this case the Cayman Islands.This is not the same thing. Unlike the slaves – who were oppressed and obviously had no say about slavery – the Caymanian people are free to express their will on the issue of homosexuality, as per the constitution, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with it.You can draw a parallel between the evils of slavery and the overwhelming present-day non-acceptance of homosexuality as an alternate lifestyle by the people of the Cayman Islands if you choose, but I would suggest to you that such a comparison does not hold water.
So you are more like ISIS than plantation owners?
I am a happily married Caymanian with 2 children and whilst I am not saying that I approve or disapprove of same-sex relationships, what worries me more is these ‘so-called’ (and I have to say ‘so-called’) Christians who are spewing out their Violent Hatred and Judgmental Condemnation on ANYONE at all – this is bordering on Satanism and makes them no better than members of ISIS who hate anyone who is not Muslim.
Jesus was dying on the cross and asking God to forgive his enemies…. They talk about hate the sin but not the sinner – but what they are espousing is pure hatred of the people concerned! It is worrying to know that this level of hatred exists in our small Island.
I truly believe that Homosexuality is something that people are born with – in the same way as people are ‘wired’ to be born without limbs or ‘wired’ to have 2 sets of genetalia or ‘wired’ to be extrovert or introvert or ‘wired’ to have Mental problems or ‘wired’ to be straight but ‘act’ somewhat effeminately (or the opposite for some women) or ‘wired’ to come out as conjoined twins – these are not choices which anyone would purposely put themselves through. I don’t see how the concept of a person being ‘wired’ to be born liking the same sex is so hard to conceive…… the brain is such a complicated and intricate instrument – and sometimes things go wrong in the developing fetus……it happens in the Animal kingdom all the time.
No, I’m not saying it’s right or ‘normal’ – I’m just saying it happens – but should we not then equally condemn the people in the examples above for not being ‘normal’? My religion never taught me that !
And don’t get me wrong – I’m not sure that I agree with same-sex ‘marriage’ – it’s just the violent hatred that concerns me.
I am also NOT saying that the possibility of Society or a person’s upbringing or social circles cannot indoctrinate someone into adopting a particular lifestyle – it most certainly can – but not in all cases and this has definitely been shown by the Medical profession to be a development of the brain which is different than others.
I do draw the line at children being adopted into this kind of relationship though, because their choice is taken away and they do not deserve to be subjected to the bigotry that faces them as they grow up.
As for the Bible quoters …. let’s face it – Adulterers were stoned for their sins – Tax-collectors were scorned, Criminals were crucified ………should we still carry on these practices ?…. I guess the ‘so-called’ Christians would say ‘yes’ – at least their words of hatred suggest this.
As I said, my main concern is that people who claim to be Christians can spout so much hatred in the name of Religion and select specific paragraphs from the Bible to support their declaration of hatred when hatred is the total opposite of what Religion is about.
I agree with you a 100% But if you say homosexuals are born that way then pedophiles can’t help themselves either. It is a same sexual urge they have for children. They act a way. O no wait, choice has nothing to do with the matter?
Also where do you draw the line? Shall we have three bathrooms? One for male, one for female, and the other for gays??? All of a sudden they are taken for a race like black or white because of this born-that-way-ideology?
You say you’re a Christian right. I think you need to study the teachings of the Church Fathers and your Bible. Homosexuality is a lifestyle adopted by people my dear. Do you find any science that proves otherwise?
I was commenting just the other day that come the next election I would have difficulty deciding who to vote for. There has been a distinct lack of action and substance from any of the top dogs elected last election.
Just when I thought there were no options, Mr. Panton delivered his response and made me believe that Cayman has a future.
Mr. Panton has demonstrated that an educated and articulate approach to a sensitive subject will triumph over a bigoted and misinformed view. He has represented himself well throughout his term in office and has managed to steer clear of the dodgy situations others have found themselves in.
Mr. Panton you have my vote come next election.
I don’t believe pedophiles can help their desires, but they can avoid acting on them. There is a HUGE difference between a sexual relationship between two consenting adults, and an adult taking advantage of the innocence and helplessness of a child.
Why do you think gay people need their own bathroom? I’m sure you’ve been in a public bathroom at the same time as a homosexual, you just didn’t know it. I don’t understand your rationale. Are you advocating for the reintroduction of racial segregation, since you claim we’re conflating race with sexuality?
Homosexuality is not an adopted lifestyle. Nobody would actively choose to be cast out by society, and treated as subhuman by people like you. There is plenty science out there that would prove the bible wrong, not only about this, but on most of the claims it makes about nature and the universe, should you care to look into it. But that is a whole other argument.
You obviously didn’t read my post properly Christian 6.44pm. I clearly say that in some cases, it is a life choice – just as a Pedophile can be the result of someone being molested as a child who grows up to be a Pedophile but I also think that some ARE ‘wired’ to be born that way. The same thing with Homosexuals.
I am neither supporting or not supporting what consenting adults do – provided they do it privately and don’t shove it in my face.
I am also not proposing that any particular sect of the community be given any special priorities over others in the same way I would not try to force my Heterosexuality on the Gay community and similarly, I would not want them to try and make Homosexuality ‘compulsory’ for me.
My post is about the hatred being demonstrated – and no, 3 bathrooms is just silly.
In the same vain, where’s this science that proves homosexuality is an adopted lifestyle by people?
so its okay to cheat on your spouse, but not okay to be married to the same sex…… okay.
Before I can agree or disagree on this gay debate I think it will be necessary for me to first observe some girl on girl sex… Any two ladies care to oblige me?…
I know two men that might be able to help you make up your mind.
No thanks…
I’ve been told that you can find that kind of thing on the interweb.
“If we are going to be intolerant, let us be intolerant of crime, corruption and injustice, not our own people.” Amen brother. Amen.
9.40-people who say “dont blabber about this or that” are normally the ones who need blabbering at as they demonstrate their inability to listen to anyone but themselves. Isnt vanity a sin? Cant remember now…
Correct 1.18, I just love the bigots on here who try to out do each other in “who can find the worst text” in the bible that condemns LBGT and the others who just remember as I do, that essentially it was all about love and respect for thy neighbour. Trouble is, not much of that happening around here, except in the non biblical sense. But thats alright, nothing to see here, move along now please…
The Bible was quoted as a tool by pro-slavery lobbies in the past. So Mr Eden’s arguments against same sex marriage will be taken up by anti-LGBT rights voters.
The Ten Commandments says ‘ thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house .. nor his manservant, not his maidservant.” In the New testament, Paul returns an escaped slave (Philemon). Abraham owned slaves (and was a polygamist, and when his concubine and their son were no longer of use, he sent them away into the desert). Jesus was raised in a world dominated by a slavery system yet he’s not documented as speaking against slavery. Or same-sex liaisons. We don’t know if Jesus forgot to mention it in the Beatitudes or if it was omitted by editors of the Bible with a political agenda. But he did apparently say tha above all we should love one another. And Mr Eden sir, your comments were not from a place of love.
I have read 90% of the comments on the subject. I did not myself hear the comments made by the Hon Mr Anthony Eden but have enough info to make my point. Firstly I would like to say that I do not discriminate against gay persons or persons of difference. I show the same respect to all civilized humans. Gay people have existed for as long as the human race & exists in all nations & races.I will not use the Bible or Religious points.They have already been made and discussed. Instead I will use real life experiences and logic to make my point.
There are 3 types of homeless people. There are 3 types of Drug & Alcohol Addicts.
Homeless persons that are born into a homeless situation or on the street usually inherit what is passed on to them mentally & genetically. Without better opportunities to make change they will live their entire lives that way. I sympathize with them. They are practically helpless.
There are persons who become homeless because of life’s downfall’s. Loosing a job or career for example, a cheating spouse or even the death of a spouse or other such reasons. These type of people are fragile and should be given second chances to get back on their feet.
Then there are some people who choose to be homeless because they just don’t want any responsibility that comes with careers, marriage kids & family. These type of people are freeloaders and I don’t give a hoot if they eat.
Alcoholics & Drugs Addicts can have the same background as the homeless.
Inherited through Genes which renders the individual practically helpless to make change on their own without getting some assistance. Turning to drugs or the bottle during tough times not intending to become an addict…. and would like to make a change. These individuals deserve a chance to recover if they so desire.
Gays & Homosexuals.
Firstly, we should not judge a book by its cover. I have had several associates over a span of 20 years that were judged by some members of the public to be Gay because of their appearance. They way they walk, the way they talk etc. The public’s opinion was absolutely incorrect.
Genuine gay persons, at least 90%, who are born with a genetic indifference are usually very respectful people who care not to have any special public attention, live their lives the way they choose & are accepted in the society (Cayman Islands) & treated like normal people. These people deserve respect & I do respect them.
Then there are persons who have mixed feelings for Male & Female and at some point in life get confused at to who they really are.
It has been proven thousands of times that such persons can get assistance through medical therapy & good advise that will help them to overcome the confusion and put them in a place where they are comfortable with themselves.
Remember, all Male bodies do have a % of female gene & also the Female bodies do have a % of Male gene so persons in the position described as confused, all it takes is a reckless lifestyle for the confusion to occur.
I witnessed a man who became attracted to other men only when under the influence of Alcohol but when sober could not even recall his actions.
Then theres the person who has no identity & wants to create one. These type of people are mentally oppressed deceiving & dangerous. Quite often leaning on something that is easy to accomplish like being Gay, quite often playing the Male role in a Male to Male relationship. These are the kind of people who make Genuine respectful Gay people look bad. In playing the role long enough they become entrenched into the Gay lifestyle and remain as long as they are comfortable.
In my experience these people are the rebels who demand so much attention, rights etc and the list goes on because its all about power and personal satisfaction to do just as they like.
When opening the flood gates to Gay Liberation bear these things in mind.
This is my fear.. the Rebels that we would have to put up with because they outnumber the Genuine Gay population. Political laws in the US & Canada has given the rebels power. Laws should exist around the world to protect Gay people from discrimination but I don’t support child adoption by 2 Gay men
Any man attracted to men when using alcohol and then can’t remember it when sober is living a lie. That man is gay. That’s a common thing in places where people have to live in the closet. In more progressive society, that man would be happily married to another man and not living a lie.
In his case if he was truly gay I think his self pride & possibly the chances of feeling shame kept him prisoner , not society because this was in the USA.
“Why as a society should we tolerate the need for our sons, daughters and other family members to leave their own country because they feel our society won’t accept them as they are?” Panton asked, adding that such discrimination tore families apart.
Sounds like your average Caymanian school leaver / job seeker. Why are they not given the same enthusiastic support? Why are you not full of “hurt, disappointment, regret and anger” over the plight of ALL the people of Cayman who are discriminated against day in and day out.
Open you mind Wayne and learn from those caring people in the Legislative Assembly. You are obviously confused on so many levels. We know you can do better if you care to try.
Say Wha?
From the PPM constitution signed by the Hon Anthony Eden
“To guarantee the freedom and human rights of all persons in the
Cayman Islands including freedom from harassment, brutality,
victimization, intimidation and invasion of privacy.”
I support gay equality for three simple reasons:
1) I see it as unfair to discriminate against a minority group based upon characteristics that are absolutely harmless to society. Regardless of whether legalized discrimination is against a religious, racial, or sexual orientation minority.
2) I recognize a very serious danger to equality when I see it and believe that all bigotry must be rejected, lest it set a bad precedent. Whenever a group begins to be persecuted under the law, it sets a precedent that bigotry is acceptable and invites further attacks on minority groups.
3) In addition to the issue of bigotry, I also have a severe problem with any religious encroachment into secular policy. I don’t want my government to obey any religion. The law should be based upon secular morality and logic, not age-old superstitions and ignorant customs from the Stone Age.
Homosexuality may be a religious sin, but it is not immoral and has no detrimental effect on society. There is simply no real secular justification for any legal discrimination against gays, and all attempts to discriminate against gays in the law can be traced back to bigotry and religious tenants. Without a secular reason to pass laws discriminating against gays, we are left with the simple fact that anti-gay legislation is purely bigotry and has no place in the law.
Let religions keep their ideas of sin in-house, leaving secular logic to decide secular law. If religious individuals want to label homosexuality as a sin, that is there right, but their label should have no power outside of their religious faith (ex. they can refuse to marry gay people in their house of worship, but they can’t prevent gay people from getting married).
Arguments that homosexuality is immoral or unnatural are simply false on their face. Such arguments are based in bigotry rather than reality and are not valid arguments for public policy. It is undeniable that homosexuality isn’t the predominant sexual orientation, but it is a natural phenomenon and has no moral component. As a morally and ethically neutral phenomenon, the government has no interest in legislating discrimination against gays and should not have the constitutional ability to do so.
When certain MLA’s make the argument that marriage equality harms straight marriage, please to tell us exactly how. Does it make you love your spouse any less or reduce their rights as a married couple in any way? Inevitably, you default to a religious justification but that that is an issue for their church—the secular law should be independent from theology and the secular contract that is marriage is the only thing at issue. If they want to belong to a church that refuses to acknowledge that gay people are married within their religious ceremonies, then that is your prerogative, but this is no reason to deny gay people the secular benefits of marriage.
In marriage—gay or straight—two legal adults are making a consensual vow to become legally bound in marriage or civil union. As animals, children and inanimate objects are incapable of consenting to such a vow, there is no comparison to be made with gay marriage. Equating the consensual marriage of two adults with child or animal marriage is taking the argument to an absurd and ridiculous extreme.
Even if you don’t belong to this persecuted class, you must stand up against bigotry, if only because the next class to be persecuted may be yours. If you refuse to stand up when others are being unfairly persecuted, then you have no right to complain when it is you who is being persecuted and nobody comes to your aid.
PPM stand by your constitution, if i can’t believe what you say there then why should I believe your election promises.
Very well said. Judgement doesn’t belong to us. Said another way, I can’t recall anyone ever introducing themselves followed by a statement of their sexuality. Why? Because it doesn’t belong — people are seen by their works, not by whom they choose to sleep with.
It seems insane in this day and age to attempt to persecute others based upon something (sexuality) that is nobody’s business. Homosexuality doesn’t lead to anything any more than heterosexuality does. God made us all. I can’t imagine a God who made people merely to throw them away. Praise my soul, that’s not the God that I know.
Everyone deserves the right to love whom they choose, to marry those they love. None of my business, nor yours.
As a future Bodden Town voter, I will support Mr. Eden any day. Panton however, will not be getting my vote due to this disappointing demonstration of compromise and betrayal. It goes to show that you never really know what people will say or do when they get into politics. Maybe that’s why he stopped fighting for us in 2003 when the UDP gave away 2,800 status grants to unqualified applicants. I’m so ashamed and disappointed.
Are you moving house or were you in diapers in 2003?
I could not have said it better!
If you only look at nature, it simply makes sense that a man is intended to marry a woman, not another man and the same with a woman. Anything apart from that is unnatural. The fact that the Bible says same sex relationships are an abomination should only add further weight to the fact that a man is intended to marry a woman.
“If you only look to nature…” Yes. Please do. There are actually plenty of examples of different species engaging in same-sex intercourse all throughout nature.
That’s probably because of desperation and to prevent things from freezing up, so to speak. I believe Charles Darwin alluded to this phenomena in his “Selection and Relation to Sex” (and, no doubt, his observations whilst aboard HMS Beagle for all those long months at sea).
Do you follow ALL the other precepts in the Holy Bible? ALL of them? Believe that mixing fibers in clothing should result in stoning? Trimming beard hair the same? How about the rules for trading slaves? Or selling your daughter? Some of these were cultural rules for a time that has long passed. The Holy Bible is a good book. There are truths within. It should never be used as a weapon to persecute others. God is love.
@19/08/2015 at 6:00 pm
And all like you read the book and don’t understand it. The book itself says in 2 Peter 3:16, “the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.” One example of this is on how you apply the events in the Old Testament to protray God as a sinister and cruel God… yet know nothing about the plan of salvation, the curse of sin, and New Testament writings. The bible may not say verbatim to love the sinner and hate the sin, but Jesus did teach that principle and His Church has ever taught it to others.
If you believe in the book then follow the book. However, it is not your right or responsibility to attempt to make everyone else follow the book. If other people prefer to not follow it then leave them alone and keep your beliefs to yourself and your church. Simple. Your beliefs are yours and do not necessarily apply to other people. If something is a sin, God will sort it out, not you.
@12:28 – Well said!!!
And if you “TRULY” believe in your god then you will TRUST HIM to do so.
Catholic Church should be the last one to preach and be so righteous with its track record!
Just looked at the burglary stats, pretty obvious no one in Cayman has got any time to be gay, too many other sins being committed. But those sins are fine. As long as you are not a gay burglar. Then the heavens will open and blah blah blah.
Can see you’re not sensible. I won’t say fool or dumb because I am not here to disrespect anyone. But I can see clearly you are either bruised by your gay pride, or just want to win an argument on cns that can never be proven in a test tube!
I know people who are straight and then choose to become gay and then they straightened up again… Please don’t blabber about why people would be gay and subject themselves to some sort of societal oppression as if its some evidence they are born that way! ? I know many people subjected to societal oppression and they are not born that way, it is merely the condition that they found themselves in. I see people on the streets that are addicted to alcohal, homeless, etc … Of course they have choices and their circumstances are not nice, but they are not born that way! There is no such thing as a gay gene! They can help themselves!
And please … for crying out loud, if you want respect, show some respect! I find your comments very offensive. Cayman is not making any laws against gay people. You came and found us with Churches, Ministers, and Bibles! Show some respect and please stop spewing your hate messages agianst God!
What utter nonsense. So Mr. Eden was showing respect with his comments? NOT!
All the gay Caymanians, and yes there are a surprisingly large number, didn’t come here to find anything they were born and bred here and brought up in the same environment as all the straight people.
I can tell from your comments that your mind is closed to the concept of it not being a choice, but unless you walk in my shoes you cannot say that it is a choice.
Wayne Panton is to be commended for his stance on this. Also, whilst I totally object to Anthony Eden’s position, at least he came out and said what he wanted to say.
My beef is against the rest of the LA who stay quiet, not wanting to upset any of their voters. Maybe one or two more will comment, no doubt in a very guarded fashion, but only after they’ve weighed up the political pros and cons.
“Gutless and wutless” is a phrase I’ve seen on here a few times. Sums up most of the MLAs.
Some of you people are sick and need some serious help to be pushing for such foolishness forget mr Panton he won’t be re elected back in Bodden town especially with this attitude of ” accept it because there’s nothing you can do” force this sh*t on us and I guarantee it ain’t going to be a paradise anymore
Re-read the article. He isn’t forcing anything on anyone – other than maybe we should hate each other and should focus on things reducing crime and bettering education.
Knob
Why are we being ignored here? I’d try anything once.
I’d try anything four times!
That’s what Hollywood’s John Holmes said, and the poor fellow died an early death from exhaustion, apparently.
I have supported Minister Panton from the first because of his support for the environment. Now I have even more reason to be thankful for his leadership. My gay friends and family members are fully equal and wonderful human beings and deserve every right and privilege afforded to all Caymanians. Discrimination against gays hurts all of us.
“Regretting deeply the message that was delivered to the LGBT community, Panton said that this type of language was the reason why many Caymanians were forced to live overseas because they did not feel welcome in their own homeland and he condemned the position that was taken by his party colleagues.
“Why as a society should we tolerate the need for our sons, daughters and other family members to leave their own country because they feel our society won’t accept them as they are?” Panton asked, adding that such discrimination tore families apart. “People are even afraid to love family members who are gay because of what society will say.””
Whereas I support and agree much of what Panton has said, it is at rhetoric like the quoted where I must throw a red flag on the pitch.
I believe what you meant to say Mr. Panton, “this type of language was the reason why many Caymanians were forced to live in MAJOR CITIES overseas…”?!
You are denigrating the entire people of the Cayman Islands as you compare us to other nations that have done the EXACT SAME THING!
There are reasons why big cities tend to have the highest concentration of out and proclaimed gay people – the primary being they were ostracised, attacked and even killed in the wider and majority areas of their western countries e.g. USA, UK, Canada.
(Don’t believe me? Ok, just ask them.)
Cayman is a tiny place, so unlike London or New York it is impossible to “escape” into anonymity and general “acceptance” in George Town, hence, many reportedly moved away but rest assured, they were not moving to Smalltown, USA
However, to speak of Caymanians as if we are historically devout of some rare and amazing grace available only to “progressive” countries is a farce derived by ignorance and a severe lack of perspective.
– Who
What are you saying – he should not criticize our poor behaviour because others practice it too? How does it matter what the hell they do in rural Canada, US or UK – surely the issue is what we do here. Otherwise sweep it under the rug becomes acceptable, and you are tacitly accepting that we can emulate the bad behaviours of others. Sever lack of perspective indeed – try concentrating on home rather than using overseas as an excuse for everything from sexual discrimination to political malfeasance.
No, and you know full well that is not what I am saying.
I’m simply highlighting that this is by no means a “national issue” which is what is being suggested by Panton’s words.
E.g. Gay rights is generally a political issue in the USA therefore, to some degree, approximately 150 million Americans would empathize with the words of Mr. Eden.
Furthermore, I have several gay family members and not a single one has fled overseas as a result of persecution for their sexuality.
Whereas I support some of Panton’s stance and outrightly reject some of Eden’s – I will not allow an exagerration of the issue to go unchecked.
By the way, as we’re on the topic of bigotry, would it not be wonderful if all local instances thereof would be equally confronted by the CNS readership? Interestingly, we see an eagerness to promote and spread bigotry in other respects.
So many self-righteous hypocrites amongst us. They know themselves.
– Who
I would hazard a guess you are completely right in some Red States of the USA. But I grew up in a town of 2,000 people in rural Canada and I’d go so far to say that in 2015, there is virtually nowhere in Canada where you can’t safely be openly gay. People in developed countries have moved on from this topic. Next topic please.
Seriously. Canada has had same-sex marriage for over ten years now. Many politicians are gay, including the Premier of Ontario (14 Million people), and nobody gives a whit.
But society has fallen to pieces in Canada in the last ten years and many people trace the destruction back to the legalization of gay marriage. No, no that is not true, things are just fine.
When a politician wrestles with his conscience he usually wins.
I’m wondering what Ezzard and Arden’s views are on this? After all they are usually so very vocal. I’m also asking the Premier, the Governor…and others in authority to please speak up! Are your views more in line with Mr. Eden’s or Minister Panton’s? I really want to know so as to help me with my vote come next election. Thankfully many more young people are much more tolerant today and will also vote accordingly.
Thank you once again for taking a stand for tolerance Minister Panton. It was truly dis-heartening to hear Eden (a former Health Minister mind you) speak with so much intolerance last week. Intolerance and hatefulness seemingly inciting bullying of others. What I really want to hear now is a response by the premier, the deputy premier, the governor and other MLA’s and leaders of Cayman’s community.
Can you kindly advise us all whose views you side with….Panton’s or Eden’s?
If anyone can offer me a critical and analytical argument against LGTBQ rights that does NOT reference a book written thousands of years ago written by a bunch of men (and which they have only read as it was translated a few centuries ago by a different group of men), please, be my guest… The fact that our government is seriously considering dredging the paradise this same God supposedly created for purely economic reasons but cannot fathom the thought of same-sex unions (which, Mr. Suckoo said this morning on CrossTalk they have not even considered the economic ramifications of) baffles me. But I suppose I should be grateful our politicians are bashing the Bible instead of their wives/girlfriends.
Speaking of the economy, they should introduce legislation that all businesses that want to discriminate have to hang a sign at the door announcing this fact. That way, gay people and their allies will be able to avoid that business.
Homophobes should be required to wear a red “H” on their clothing, so gays will know not to scare them.
Alternatively they should be made to wear mint shirts, red and white striped ties and light brown striped polyester suits like Eden’s photo.
Thank you for your deep theological thinking. On the same level, did you mean to say “banging” in your last sentence?
I take great solace with the knowledge that many of you on here ranting and raving your little gay and lesbian agenda simple cant vote or simply too busy caught up in your alternative lifestyle to vote in our elections, but who spend too much time trolling the internet with the your false beliefs you are or are going to be famous or make a difference. When infact you are a number which merely empowers the engine that drives this internet machine. Yet once again you are enslave with false promises and beliefs of making your lives better and richer and you don’t even realize it. What you are actually doing are enriching others socially and economically by promoting their agenda’s that includes politicians who only seek you when they need your vote to get elected to these high paying offices and powerful positions or to inflate their narcissistic ego’s. Yet they never same to find you or need your internet advice when these big financial deals are being done on your behalf. I say this about our church brothers and sisters who don’t usually vote on these internet forums with their mouse but they do vote with their feet and pen and Mr Wayne Panton would do well to remember this. But of course just like you all he dismisses these persons until they he needs them once again.
I’m a Caymanian who can does vote and I don’t agree with religious intolerance in any form. I would venture that there are a lot more people like me than you realise.
Yup. Forgot to vote… again. Just too caught up in my dang alternate lifestyle.
Oh? So hate not just gays and lesbians, expats too?
Sweetheart my navel string and those of my ancestors have been buried in Cayman since she was first inhabited.
LGBT is not imported.
Mr Panton is one smart cookie. Apart from being right (in my book) he probably just cornered the entire vote of Cayman’s young.
Thank you so much Minister Panton. It’s long overdue that someone in authority speak up on the side of tolerance. What say so many others in authority, who in private, are much more tolerant?
Interesting.
People, THE CORNERSTONE DOCTRINE behind the gay movement, is that they have NO CHOICE and hence no power over their homosexual conditionings. Some of them go as far as to say they were born to be gay.
Why is this unscientific teaching so important to this movement? By convincing the U.S. courts they have been able to prosecute to successfully associate themselves with a RACE and prosecute “people of faith” for discrimination.
If Cayman is not careful, they will indoctrinate our young to believe this gay teaching, and eventually politicians will enact laws here like they are doing in the United States. They have their agenda – so we should have ours to educate the public about this threat against the Cayman Islands family unit.
unscientific teaching? Hello???? You are relying on a book written by men thousands of years ago, translated countless times by other men many years ago and you say we’re unscientific?
Jesus said, some are born gay in the book of Matthew. Meaning, science and genetics is referenced in the bible also. No need to knock it down. If Jesus did not discriminate against a Harlot then he sure would not have discriminated against a homosexual. I ask you all to simply ask yourselves; what would Jesus do? Jesus discriminated against no-one, ever. Even on the cross he asked our Lord to “forgive them, they know not what they do”. Until people stop hating one another for their differences and embrace it with love, we will always be miserable and unhappy and never find peace.
And just where do you see Jesus saying “some are born gay”??? Find me the passage and please not from the gay bible, because I know they have their own Bible.
It’s clear you don’t believe in God and your fighting for your cause. However your no different than the people who do, they discredit your cause and you bash their God.
Please gay movement yourself back to the bridge you live under.
Im love me my women round and fluffy, and I didn’t choose that. Im just glad it is legal to marry them in Cayman.
I am proud of Mr Panton’s courage in speaking out on this issue rather than hiding behind a non-committal position. He is courageous in our present atmosphere of rejection and lack of compassion .
I am also admiring of the LGBT community for being true to who they are.
I believe in live and let live. Until we have walked in another person’s mocassins, let us try to exercise empathy and compassion. This was the philosophy of Christ and should be the position of everyone of us.
Too bad that otherwise caring and compassionate persons such as Anthony Eden is not yet at this point. But let us give him time.
@3:17 – Sir, don’t attack my Bible. Just somebody throws the good book at you, don’t mean my book is being used!
Has anyone considered the sweet, delicious irony of our national domain suffix “KY” and what the associated products are used for in many instances?!!
It is the jelly that comes from Kentucky. KY is also the abbreviation of the US state of Kentucky, and they are famous for their delicious jelly.
I was shocked and saddened to read Anthony Edens derogatory vitriol this week. He is a national disgrace to be promoting hate, bigotry, and bullying against the gay community. In some countries he would be charged for his threatening a community and promoting violence. We should be addressing Caymans more pressing social issues such as rampant crime, corruption, poverty, mortgage foreclosure, making us a more tolerant safe society for all people no matter their personal convictions!
Mr. Panton, thank you for stepping up and addressing this social issue, you have demonstrated courage, history will hopefully mark this as a turning point in the conversation of tolerance.
“Let the truth be self evident that all men are created equal” MLK.
Well, that sums it up doesn’t it? No exceptions allowed regardless of what happens next!
Thank you Minister Panton. A well-said and courageous reposnse.
If he want locals to feel a part of a society get caymanians jobs and stop treating them as irrelevant!!
Well said. Unfortunately more truth that all 150 or so of the internet trolls do not want to acknowledge or hear.
The fact that millennia-old religious texts written at a time when slavery was status quo, women were property and eating pork or shellfish was punishable by death or banishment can trump human equality is incredibly saddening.
How can anyone, let alone an elected government official, who spews so much hatred towards their fellowman call themselves a Christian? No person can take every single Biblical word as literal law, this is the 21st century! We need to learn to live and let live, what person has the right to cast judgement on who people choose to love? This world needs as much as it can get.
The tone was a bit harsh but the position was right. The bible says to love the sinner and hate the sin. Sodom and Gomorah was destroyed by God because of this. When Jesus stepped in the save the lady from the men about to stone her he was not okaying her sins as he established what she did was sin by saying “he who is without sin let him toss the first stone”. That states what she did was a sin but established it was not for man to punish but God himself who grants us the right to chose. This in of itself does not allow us to accept what is being done as right or acceptable because it is not. IT means that ULTIMATELY God will be their judge and punisher not man.
Because this is deemed wrong in the eyes of God means that if we seek to pass this into law we took are accepting a sin as acceptable. That is wrong in the eyes of God. We are guilty by association. We are accomplices.
I do not support and any Christian should not support this. It’s simply not right and it opens Cayman up to many NEW Human Rights issues we are not prepared to deal with.
So while I personally do not agree with the overall tone I do not disagree with his final stand. And I say I am saddened that Mr Panton could not draw the appropriate line also between someone’s words and the overall final point. For this he has lost my support and may lose quite a bit more also.
So you can speak about taking words and literal law all you want but the bible is adequately clear on most of these issues. It is easy for you to attempt to twist words the way you want but in the end the bible remains the same as it was hundreds of years ago before you were a spec in your daddy’s eye.
Again I say it is wrong to call LGBT people evil. They are not. What is wrong is what they have decided to do, at least in the eyes of God. I hate no one. I certainly do not hate anyone for what they believe in sexually so long as both parties are mentally capable of making decisions and both want the situation and they are not related closely.
I ask all Caymanians and people who live here to keep in mind one thing. God gave us the ability to chose. He could have easily not have the tree of knowledge there for us to be tempted with but he allowed us to chose the way forward and we failed him. Having something able for you to attain does not make it right to do. But please do not discriminate these people because of their choices in terms of jobs.
I see no reason for the laws of the Cayman Islands to change. We already have in place Civil Unions which grant far reaching rights to the LGBT community. A marriage is between a man and a woman, period.
“The bible says to love the sinner and hate the sin.”
The Bible says no such thing. What verse is that?
“Sodom and Gomorah was destroyed by God because of this”
Ah, loving those sinners by killing them all. Is that what you mean. Was that not before the grace of Jesus Christ?
The Bible says that I may rape a woman, pay her father, and take her as my wife. That is your “Biblical Marriage”, yes? Do you think that rape-marriage is wrong? God ordained it.
6pm, you may want to share with others WHICH bible you are actually reading. And don’t forget there are 2 sections old testament and new. Maybe a lot to wrap your head around but I suggest you start having a little faith while you read. It is not a big deal if you don’t want to be a Christian and if you “detest” the bible. That’s on you mate! Nobody else. So let the gays get married, let them be. On their souls but for God sake stop knocking down every tom dick and harry who believes in the bible and Jesus Christ as their savior. Get over it; why does it bother you so much that we believe in a higher power? We don’t need to be like you; an empty vessel floating around believing in only the $$$$…..can’t eat money at the end of the day. Peace.
And you can’t eat bibles at the end of the day either! Pass me John 3:16 with a side of Genesis 26.
Is it clear in the bible that eating shell fish and pork is a sin? Is is clear that that the Bible could support the ownership of slaves? Ask yourself how biblical laws evolve?
The Bible does not recognize divorce for any other reason than for infidelity. It is a sin to marry someone who has been previously divorced. It is also a sin to cheat on your spouse and this includes even having lustful thoughts about another person while married. Or is that only if the person you are having lustful thoughts about is married themselves??
Do we recognize the union of couples who have been previously divorced in Cayman? How did the acceptance of this law evolve? Do we recognize the union of straight couples who cheat or continuously (perhaps daily) have lustful thoughts about others? A few prominent fellow Caymanians who may have some issues in this area come to mind.
Laws were made for man not the other way around.
As man evolves, so does the law (this occurred 2000 years ago and has continued to occur within the church for centuries). Hopefully the collective Cayman thought will evolve to understand that a man or woman can be naturally and biologically configured toward a non-traditional sexual orientation. This is not a choice or a disease that can be cured, it is nature. People with this orientation often live a very difficult life and are outcast and discriminated against sometimes like the lepers you read of in the Bible. What did Jesus do for those that were discriminated against when he was alive?
Be very careful in your discrimination of the rights of same sex partners. You could be the modern day version of a biblical pharisee who cannot understand the true meaning of the law. Same-sex partners have basic human rights which you may be preventing.
If you are willing to accept the validity of a a marriage between two previously divorced individuals, then the exclusion LGBT marriage is hypocritical.
Thank you Wayne, the only voice of reason in a house of lunatics!!
Still is a choice. There are some I know who became gay and then turn back straight again.. Sorry, I don’t agree with you.
Do you really believe that someone became gay and then turned straight again. Really? It’s much more like they came out of the closet and went back in. Or they were bicurious. No one changes their sexual orientation. We are born this way.
Well this surely is a bitch slap in the face for Tony and Al ‘s comments. Ozzie is a STUD I know he isn’t going there.
I’m afraid it’s not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. Some people have more fluidity in their sexual orientation than others, but being gay, lesbian, bi, or trans is not a choice. The sun doesn’t choose to shine. It just shines. Plain and simple.
Actually yes it does. It could easily implode. What are you saying?
Dammit, I keep forgetting about science.
Unless you have experienced it yourself you cannot talk on the subject.
Nope, not a choice.Then they are bisexual. You can’t choose to feel or not feel for someone, you can only choose whether or not to act on those feelings.
Perhaps you were doing it wrong.
Sir, you have shown that you are truly a Progressive, educated, forward-thinking non-partisan representative. I’m a BT voter and before this I had the greatest of respect and admiration for you and even more so now, especially in spite of your wealth and accomplishments you are a very humble person – not arrogant and pretentious as some of your other colleagues.
More importantly, you are an attorney and one who must seek and uphold justice for all – where are the other lawyers in the LA on this, including our Premier on this?
You are truly a profile of courage!
P.S. The person that suggested that Mr. Eden contributed to Mr. Panton’s success in the last Election should remember that unlike most career politicians he doesn’t need the money and in fact funded his and other PPM’s campaign. We are fortunate to have someone of his caliber and integrity in our government. History will judge him favorably, including on the environment and caring for our next generation.
What a load of hogwash you don’t know squat If Mr Eden doesn’t vouch for you in the district of Bodden Town you ain’t saying bounce. A genuine Bodden Town voter would know that. The not arrogant comment you really don’t know what you talking bout Willis!
Anon 2:42. I could not have said it better myself. Spot on.
….thought you were quoting the Bible at first. Agreed. Spot on :42
It is a very emotive subject for some, but in essence its all about the rights of all persons. If we are so freaked out on Animal rights why then can’t we be tolerant of human beings irrespective of their sexual orientation. We tend to use the Bible very literally and yet we live lives of corruption , untruth selfishness, crime, adultery and a myriad of other vices, yet we have the gall to judge others. My thoughts have evolved on this subject over the years and I strongly believe that we need to be tolerant of not only each other’s views but life styles . as we are tolerant be of the various styled religious groups I.e.!Presbyterians, Baptists. Adventists, Catholic etc which may be contrary to our inbred grown up values and teachings.
Think on this would anyone of you deny your Imediate family member ( mother father brother sister wife spouse child grandmother or grandfather uncle or aunt cousin etc) the right to life if you knew that a transfusion was needed for any one of them and the only compatible blood available was that of someone with a different sexual orientation?
These Islands have evolved on the principles of togetherness and yes we all know and have talked about so and so being in the closet for years and their marriage with children and we have been comfortable with this behavior although kept quiet.! What is important today is that we have so many things to conquer, which affect all of us , and we need to focus on creating an environment where we all can have the opportunity of living in a safe environment with opportunities for all to progress and live comfortably. Paying our bills, educating our people providing top level health services, and living peaceably with all citizens and residents. This needs to be the goals that politicians work towards with a forthright and unequivocal vision free of pettiness and disdain and with understanding that their actions will be their legacy not for today but for future generations.
Let us guide ourselves accordingly
JH
Well said.
Well said Wayne.
I don’t know about choice in these matters, but I am pretty certain I remember when I became fully aware.
1978. CIHS. Break time. Sports Illustrated. Swimsuit Edition. Cheryl Tiegs. Fish net swimsuit.
Brooke Shields, Blue Lagoon. She was my aphrodisiac.
She was 14.
And I was 12. What is your point?
We were trying to figure out your age, and now we know.
Question then would be if you liked the way Cheryl Tiegs looked or if you would would look good in the outfit. I grew up with 2 gay friends and they would naturally think the second way.
Well done. Better late than never. Time for all the other lemmings to clarify their stance.
Well done and a good common sense. Why fight against gay community as there is no crime. We should fight against criminals. He should be next premier!
But you see Ms Collins the voters minister Panton wooed and misled and fed in the last election in order for him to get his seat are just not the run of the mill Caymanians. They actually have openly expressed and extreme hostility for this type of obscene behavior and have in the past express violent opposition to it, along with preaching and making music about it. In fact they have even developed their own derogatory names to describe the persons who engaged in it. So I wonder what Mr Panton is going to tell his constituents since he has now betrayed both his driver Mr Eden and them his electoral vehicle that has place him where he is. Good luck with the going down in history deal ya here..
People (IE voters) who hold out their little paws every four years for the usual customary vouchers, gifts and donations and probably don’t stand too firm on conviction.
They sold their souls long ago.
Just as wretched as those who mislead them by putting the gifts in their eager little paws to hold, my dear. You right about the politrickle, especially when internet votes mislead some to believe they can improve their popularity by supporting something they don’t believe in themselves.
Mr. Panton is a man of courage. There were many slave owners and businessmen who disagreed with Abraham Lincoln and indeed fought to the death rather than support him (or better yet vote for him). The courage and strength to stand up for human rights is something his district desperately needs and the fight for what is right will always prevail. Mr. Panton is not gay and the argument for gay rights does not benefit him personally in any way. Gay rights is not an appealing fight for a Caymanian politician to get involved in, but he is taking a stand for basic human rights which is a more noble and honorable act than any person in his electoral district district has ever been involved in!
Being black is not a sin in the Bible so please don’t compare it to being gay.
The original comment is not comparing being gay with being black. It says the PREJUDICE that both groups face is comparable.
And quick note: the Bible was absolutely used as a defense FOR slavery throughout history. I don’t suppose we should go back to following that mindset either, do you?
The British slave masters who brought your fathers to Cayman taught that the brown skin of the African was that Mark which God gave to Cain, so that all might know his descendants.
The Cayman tradition was that the African was slave, and the white man his master. The Bible teaches slaves to be obedient to their masters.
Cayman turned its back on this tradition for the “modern and progressive” abolition of slavery.
And so it has come to this.
Are you seriously comparing Bodden Town elected MLA Wayne Panton with Abraham Lincoln??? SMH!
Lord… try so don’t misrepresent my district so badly. With a name like Naya, I wonder if it’s even Cayman that you’re representing.
I want to say a big thank you to Minister Mr. Panton. For too long me and my fellow LGBT CAYMANIANS and EXPATS have been subjected to hate, and discrimination in Cayman. Who would choose to be gay to be subjected to a life of such pain and suffering. Many of us LGBT persons have lots our familys and friends and as the honourable Minister Mr. Panton said have been forced to leave the country we love so dearly. HATE is a strong word. Instead of teaching and preaching HATE I urge all to teach and preach LOVE and acceptance in The Cayman Islands. God loves us all as he created us all. Times are changing and its high time The Cayman Islands start to respect each and every persons right to live their lives. In ending I call upon the Governor to ask that the honourable Member Mr. Eden issue an apology letter or statement not to the LGBT only but to the people of The Cayman Islands. If not then he should resign or be forced to resign. Thank you kindly. And may we all from today in The Cayman Islands teach LOVE and not HATE. GOD continue to bless us all.
Mr Eden don’t need to issue no such statement or apologize. Mr Eben wasn’t implying any hate at all…….XXX Mr Eden done what was morally the right thing to do…. we are not gonna stand by and allow NO organization to change our cultural heritage no matter who feelings get hurt there a lot things in life we have to live with and can’t change but that shouldn’t make us hate each other. …..
you sound like an idiot
Moral Caymanian??? More like stupid Caymanian. What a mess
Mr Eden’s ENTIRE point was based on hating the LGBTQ community, and even threatening them. I can’t speak for everyone, but hate and voilence is certainly not part of THIS Caymanian’s cultural heritage.
Where do I start?
Your spelling or your idiocy?
You DO sound like an idiot!!