80% of over 30s have had first COVID shot
(CNS): The national vaccination rate in Cayman is being held down by the younger members of the community, as 80% of those aged 30 and over have had their first shot and will all have had their second doses by the time government begins the soft border reopening on 9 September. But more than 30% of 18 to 29 year olds and almost 40% of children between 12 and 18 are unvaccinated.
A week after the $100,000 prize draw was announced, the needle on vaccinations remains stuck. According to the latest figures, just 83 people were vaccinated for the first time over the last day and 91 got their second shot. Currently, 71% of people in the Cayman Islands have had at least the first shot, while 68% have had both doses.
As of the 10 August, 92% of the over 60s were vaccinated, as were 90% of the over 50s. 87% of those between 40 and 49 years old have had a shot and 80% of those aged 30 to 39. 69% of adults under 30 have been vaccinated and 61% of children over 12 have also been vaccinated. On their own, the figures represent some of the best vaccination rates in the world but fall short of what experts say would be full herd immunity that would protect the younger children who cannot be vaccinated as well as the immune-suppressed.
But if government is to reach their target national vaccination rate of 80% of the entire population by 9 September, over 6,000 people, most of whom will be under 30, will need to come forward in just four weeks.
Government is planning to introduce mandatory vaccinations for work permit holders and renewals and a number of employers are requiring all new staff, locals as well as permit holders, to be vaccinated before they can start work. But a significant number of the unvaccinated are children and young adults who are not in the workforce and are effectively beyond the reach these types of mandates.
Meanwhile, just one traveller in quarantine has tested positive so far this week for the coronavirus. There are currently just three active cases among the 953 people in isolation, one of whom is symptomatic but not hospitalised.
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I am not in favour of opening until government reveals their plan of what to do when there is community transmission.
They have stated that “measures” will be taken when there are two unrelated outbreaks of community transmission that require hospitalisation.
What are these measures? Masks indoors? OK. Social distancing? OK. Closing government services and schools, and going into 72 hour lockdowns and overnight curfews? NO!
The time for that has passed. If we open, we open! 80% of us know that we will not be in the 99.99% of the people that suffer serious symptoms.
I agree completely, we need to know what their plan of action will be when we get community spread also what the rules and regulations are that will be in place.
Simple answers: OK, OK and YES (you got that one wrong)…
More good news from California –
“San Francisco announced on Thursday that proof of full vaccination would be required for entry to restaurants, gyms and other indoor venues, aiming to curb a new wave of Covid infections that has prompted public health mandates across the US.
San Francisco, which launches its mandate on 20 August, is the second major US city to pass a sweeping vaccine requirement for indoor businesses after New York, which only requires proof of one vaccination dose.”
The people getting sick and/or dying are almost exclusively the unvaccinated. I’m cool with people choosing to take that risk EXCEPT when government takes choices from me based on that.
I’m vaccinated and will get the booster when it’s recommended. Did my part. Others need to do theirs or not be a part of the equation.
Good not being a part of it. You do you, I will do me
and you can pay your health care costs if you get COVID and I will pray for you. Deal?
Nope, my insurance will as I fork out hundreds every month for that shit, same as you.
Idiot. The unvaccinated pay for insurance just as you do.
Please everyone read the news about how many countries are going back into lock down, because despite its citizens being vaccinated, Covid is still rampant. The main reason is……TRAVEL. People are refusing to stay away or practice safe protocols (mainly entitled Americans, who don’t even want to behave on airplanes!!!!!!!!!), they are vessels allowing the virus to spread. Before countries started to open up or end their lock down, Covid figures were down so low that we all thought we had done enough. And we were safe to resume normalacy. We have to be patient and use common sense. The former Government followed New Zealand’s Covid plan, and we were successful just as they were and still are. New Zealand is keeping their borders closed until 2022, so why are we do adamant to open our borders to end up like the rest of the countries that Covid is raging and are in 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th waves of Covid transmission????? We had one (1) short lived wave and it’s been buried and still there. I want to keep it that way, for me, my family, my community, my friends, my co-workers, and my country. CIG please do the logical thing, and stick to following New Zealand so we can continue to be one of a handful of countries that the people are free.
USA is free, Europe is Free.
There are more factors in life and living than Covid.
We can adapt to live with COVID-19, but we can not keep our island shut like an Amazonian tribe for much longer without suffering long term social, mental, emotional and financial impact.
Florida is free (if you don’t count the dead and the tens of thousands in hospital with Covid).
How many of those people are fully vaccinated?
Are you vaccinated?
As you can see in the link provided, only 20% of New Zealand is fully vaccinated, so once again, covid is attacking the unvaccinated. You cannot compare our situation to that of a country with only 1/5 of eligible people vaccinated (Australia is even lower)—
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300250582/covid19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know-about-todays-rollout-reset
Turn Vic’s Bar into Vax Bar and tell people “Come get your shots here!”
It is time to acknowledge we have to live with covid like flu causing sometimes severe illness.if it is mosquto borne we can break cycle by destroying mosquitoes. But when person to person we can curtail by measures as r taken but cant eliminate. As most of us r vaccinated opening up for vaccinated is the way to go ahead. Trust all types of vaccination cards.people r not going to get false certificates just to travel to cayman when vaccine is available freely throughout world and people love their lives.
Pl trust others so that others also can trust us as we cant pose we r perfect and others r not.
For real calculations we have to use vaccinated number among residents plus residents vaccinated elsewhere as they r in denominator. If any visitor got vaccinated in cayman they shouldnt be in numerator.
As some one mentioned govt got into ccatch 22 as the estimate may not be correct.
As suggested earlier best way is vaccination teams go house to house list resident names then vaccinated or not and if not offer vaccine. This will give true picture.
The Rotaract or Lions youth can help in listing these using house numbers and laptops. One wk planning and one wk implementation.
The next best option for government absent using a ‘stick’ to increase the percentage of vaccinated persons is to offer those at risk of breakthrough infection a booster. That would have a very positive effect on lowering the potential viral load in the entire community. Hopefully that will happen at least 2 weeks before any further relation of the current measures.
Check Bermuda news
Bermuda is not giving boosters yet as far as I know.
When will Cayman vaccinations be electronically verifiable?
When will Cayman be able to meet the same standards it is placing on others?
The fact is, Cayman’s ventilated hospital capacity remains more or less static at <35 beds. That number represents the policy choke point and hasn't moved. It includes a communal 15-20 bed HVAC-oxygenated emergency retrofit at Hosp City, if ever necessary. HSA can't afford to "live with" a quantity of "acceptable illness/death" when there is limited capacity to deal with modelled projected repercussions of bad choices. It sucks, but 5 day quarantine is manageable – and we all know how.
With that in mind, it does need to be easier for those willing/demanding to quarantine for 5 days to come and go. Our airline, that we subsidise at great financial burden, and foregone social opportunity, should be running daily Miami flights from Sept. Why are they still on vacation if this is a fully-subsidised public utility? Open up airlift to those willing to play by our stated rules.
Cayman is leading the world. No need to complain.
Cayman is CLOSED. How the heck are they leading the world?
In incompetence and corruption
10:40 The fact also is that if you’re fully vaccinated you’ll not likely need one of those beds anyway.
CNS – “The national vaccination rate in Cayman is being held down by the younger members of the community”
No,no,no,no! The always unreachable 80% is the problem.
People of all ages have a choice. Why do the majority of the vaccinated pat themselves on their backs for making their own choice yet vehemently deride others for their choices.
We are not living in Nazi Germany !………yet
“Yellow Triangle”
Black triangle, pink triangle
Green triangle, red triangle
Blue triangle, lilac triangle
And they wore the yellow triangle
When first they came for the criminals I did not speak
Then they began to take the Jews
When they fetched the people who were members of trade unions I did not speak
When they took the Bible students, rounded up the homosexuals
Then they gathered up the immigrants and the gypsies
I did not speak, I did not speak
Eventually they came for me and there was no one left to speak”
What flavour was the KoolAid and just how much did you consume?
Your comparison with Nazi Germany is morally reprehensible.
The choice to increase the risk to others by refusing to get vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic is not morally or logically equivalent to the choice to reduce the risk to others by getting vaccinated.
If you reduced your own risk by taking the vaccine, why would one be worried about someone else not taking the vaccine?
Selfish is as selfish does. To answer your question – because I care for what happens to others in my country.
This old tired comment. The vaccinated are asking the unvaccinated to do something when they have no skin in the game – hindering others freedom of choice . Like telling others to stop smoking or stop drinking – their bodies, their choice. Except you completely ignore the fact that if you are unvaccinated and catch COVID it doesn’t just affect you. First, you provide a reservoir for the disease so it can spread to others. Second, if you get seriously ill you tie up hospital resources that cannot then be provided to those who had no choice in being vaccinated, or even vaccinated people suffering from other diseases or accidents. Third, because the government is obliged to try and protect everyone, if enough unvaccinated people get sick they will lock down everyone. Vaccinated and in vaccinated alike will be back to the bad old days of name days at supermarkets, no travel after dark, forced to work from home – if they can, or lose their income if they cannot. That’s why the vaccinated have every reason to be mad at those that can get vaccinated but chose not to.
I understand everything you’ve said and am not ignoring anything about the unvaccinated.
Do you think this or any govt should have the power to force or coerce any of their citizens or residents to take a vaccine or in this case strictly an ‘emergency’ vaccine where there is zero scientific evidence of long term effects. It’s way too early for those stats.
Pretty sure that is a huge issue for the unvaxxed…..apart from the unvaxxed religious folk who don’t believe in science.
Not to mention, the premise appears false where vaccines stop transmission. Everything that follows is moot.
4:14 it’s not that we’re “worried” about someone else being unvaccinated it’s that we can’t do shit because they’re unvaccinated. I know it’s government that made the rule but it’s the unvaccinated people holding us up.
Emm…Because (a) government is resisting reopening because of the number of unvaccinated and this is adversely impacting the lives of those who have chosen to be vaccinated with a view to society reopening safely and (b) if and when Cayman does reopen, the unvaccinated pose a greater risk to the population as a whole (spreading infection, taking up hospital beds) than the vaccinated.
If it weren’t for that, I’d be fine letting Darwin deal.
Because the unvaccinated could overwhelm hospitals meaning people who are ill for other reasons or in an accident will not be able to get proper care.
and you should be embarrassed to be making this sort of comparison.
Wow – Marjorie Taylor Green is posting on CNS!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-apologizes-comparing-covid-19-masks-2021-06-14/
Bermuda triangle?
People forget that lockdowns, travel bans, and masks were designed to “protect hospital capacity” and “flatten the curve” when some thought incorrectly the COVID fatality rate was ~3-4%…
Now it’s proved it was within a range at ~0.2-0.3%… yet the original mistaken policy continues.
And that’s just some of many errors along the way. Now we have people still thinking it’s ok to treat vaccinated and non vaccinated people differently when it’s proven that both can catch and transmit and die…sure, it seems like being vaccinated may reduce your severity however this is also likely to become a false assumption as we move into winter in the northern hemisphere…regardless, I am old enough to remember how sweet it was when we were led to believe being vaccinated stopped you getting it and definitely stopped you transmitting it
Oh, the good old days….actually it does make you wonder how long before government have to change quarantine distinction between vaccinated and non vaccinated…both can catch and transmit it. That should be fun for a legal challenge
Your premise is entirely erroneous. Treating the vaccinated and the non-vaccinated is more rational than ever given the transmissibility of this virus.
Considering that both can transmit this virus…the OP premise is correct
It’s actually exactly the opposite. Sorry you aren’t grasping the logic. Not surprising given the past 18 months of illogical policies.
It would help if the US FDA could formally approve the vaccines. Currently it is only in an emergency approval status.
This has nothing to do with rationality. The Covid deniers and anti-vaxxers would just move to some other excuse.
Bermuda, Aug 12, 2021:
BTA chief: tourism coming back after pandemic damage
” “We have seen hotels that are reporting near 100 per cent occupancy, if not 100 per cent occupancy – not all hotels are at that level, but we do have some that are.
“Although our testing regime has been criticised, I think we are seeing that what we have done is allowing us to continue our growth, unlike other jurisdictions that are going back into curfew and lockdowns.””
Remind me – how many died as a result of the protocol Bermuda used – the answer is 33 and counting.
Bermuda has also had more than 2000 cases of local transmission with more every day. They also have to deal with periodic lockdowns.
So I say No Thank You. There is more to life than tourist dollars.
There is more to life than sitting in a closet fully masked.
Agreed and very grateful we currently do not need to do that and hope that we can avoid having to do that for as long as it takes.
Some people enjoy that, but that’s another subject.
And how many of those that died were fully vaccinated?
lol
Yeah, exactly, LOL…the 🇻🇬 of people who are afraid to live…because they might die.
Expats are guest workers and not citizens. A government can impose conditions on guest workers. In many countries, for example, you need a yellow fever vaccine in order to move there.
New expats currently have to take a medical and demonstrate they dont have TB or HIV, and this will just be an extension of this.
If you look at the data the government is using you will see that the vaccination rate is slowly going up in all age groups apart from the 18 – 29 group. It has gone up quite a bit in the 12 – 17 group in the last month.
The data is here:
https://www.gov.ky/news/press-release-details/covid-19-update-11-august-2021
To me that looks like we are going in the right direction just not fast enough. Personally I would like government to implement a mandatory vaccine passport system for access to flights, bars, clubs, restaurants, cinema and other public areas. In other countries that has been a strong encouragement for the lazy.
“a strong encouragement for the lazy”………read that to yourself a few times. You know how nonsensical that sounds?
Do you also see the vaccine passport protest?
Main thing I saw was that hundreds of thousands got vaccinated immediately after their vaccine passport was announced and after that I saw their Covid rates drop dramatically.
I wonder when this batch expires?
Hopefully boosters are offered before they do. I had my second jab in March so would jump at the chance for a booster now. I don’t need approvals and trials – why would a third dose do any damage when the first two have likely had no negative effects at all so far.
Dr Peter Embarek, who led the WHO probe in China, said the world’s first Covid-19 patient may have been infected by a bat while working in a Wuhan lab
He had initially dismissed the notion that the virus escaped from lab as unlikely
Now Embarek has admitted that the lab leak theory could have happened
CNS: Leave a link when you cite an article. Here it is.
Of course it came from a lab. 80000 animals tested no natural host. Of course China is stonewalling, whistleblowers disappeared. The only question remaining is how it got out and what will be done about it. Looks like nothing. Governments don’t even want to know evidently.
And the conspiracy theories roll on.
It’s very likely. That’s why China are blocking the WHO from going to investigate the wuhan lab and China are trying to peddle fake news that it initiated in America.
Although if you continue to read the whole article it also said it’s not ruled out but it’s still extremely unlikely.
In any event it is fairly certain that China has been withholding information and data that has directly led to the massive loss of human life.
Countries really should be boycotting the Winter Olympics next year an reassessing their trade relationships with China.
I am curious what these numbers are based on, as in the population numbers. It is great to see a breakdown of the numbers by age groups, as I was wondering if children were being accounted for in the percentages. Given that under 12s can’t get the vaccine it seems unfair to include them in numbers.
To be honest I feel like the government should decide a date for the soft opening, full stop, regardless of the percentage. It seems clear that the most vulnerable in our country have been vaccinated and everyone else will have made their decision about getting the vaccine. With or without incentives, I think the only ones left who haven’t been vaccinated have their own reasons for not getting vaccinated (Religious or medical – which are valid). I think it’s only a few that are probably on the fence and waiting for a firm date to get that vaccine. The numbers are stuck and it’s within everyone’s right to not get vaccinated or pressured into it. So now that the population that wants the vaccine is vaccinated, let’s plan on the reopening and making everyone as safe as possible and move forward. We can’t keep holding the tourism sector hostage or stop those that want to go off island for reasons other than medical or school.
I also think this government should add some COVID questions to the census and see what the population feels about opening. Let’s move on now. I need off the island!
To answer your first question, yes everyone is being counted in the numbers, roughly 10,000 kids are included in the numbers but can’t (yet) be vaccinated. If you exclude them from the numbers we are at about 83%. There are very few people who can’t be vaccinated, those allergic to the ingredients are about it.
Why haven’t they moved the census up?
This is sort of important so why rely on guesswork?
So go…flights are being booked daily. Get your ass on one simple
forget carrots…cayman needs a big stick.
tell unvacinated they will not be able to travel, cannot use go to bars/restraunts….etc…
That would work for like 2 weeks and fall short. You can force anyone to take the vaccine
So true, plus Resturant’s, bars etc are not going to turn away money. Lol I sure as hell wouldn’t. We are all responsible for our choices and our health.
stop. 80% won’t happen.
for the past 3 months at least everyone in cayman has had the opportunity to have had the vaccine….the hold-outs have not done it, why do you think they will do it now???
It’s over 90% of people over 50 already. The high risk groups are vaccinated – we are keeping the borders shut to protect those under 30, who are at very little risk.
I am spending this summer in SWFL instead of going back to my home country. So far, so good. I read local news headlines daily.
SWFL news:
“Short-staffed and overwhelmed, Lee Health offers bonuses to staff who work extra shifts”
“The School District of Lee County is warning parents whose children take the bus to school to expect delays at the start of the upcoming school year because a school bus driver shortage persists within the District.”
Was is the reason? Was it preventable? Who is next?
Huh?
Shortage of available workforce is coming to the Cayman Islands
Hospital staff are burned out, many have quit their jobs.
There is a shortage of workers in all jobs in the US because it is easier for people to collect unemployment and the additional money paid by the government for being out of work due to the pandemic. People don’t want to go back to work because they don’t have to, they can sit around and get paid for doing nothing
That is why there is a shortage of workers in every profession
Many want to quit, yet adm. allows them to take leave without pay to recuperate, mentally and physically, even vaccinations are not mandatory in many hospitals.
Some US states rejected COVID handouts, yet, people still not coming back to work. My niece, who is a professional and works from home, had difficult time finding live in nanny for their 9 mo old
There is something seriously wrong with you…
What is SWFL?
South West Florida, I’m assuming…
South west Florida
why only 80% at this stage…that is the scary question.
How do we know percentages of these age groups if the population is admittedly an estimate?
The relative proportions are likely based on the last census. Population pyramids are fairly predictable.
Population pyramids are reliable until a massive cohort of your ordinarily stable population who are low paid and thus unlikely to have kids accompanying – like hospitality workers – leave the island when the tourists stop coming. The last estimate I saw was 5,000 people who left. That means, proportionately at least, there are a lot more children here relative to the rest of the population. Which means there are relatively lower percentages of people eligible for the jab.
I cited the government’s own statistics further down the comments. 17% of the population by their last estimate (autumn 2020, so post covid), were under 14.
You can do the work to transpose government’s population stats by age into their covid stats which they very unhelpfully put in different age bands. Whichever way you square it, we won’t get to 80% of the total population unless you start forcing parents to jab their kids.
The press would do well to put CIG on the spot about it. 9th September is four weeks away and it’s a statistical and logistical impossibility to achieve 80% in that timeframe unless they use force. If they’re not going to do that, what are they going to do? Panton and Lee need to answer this question urgently. People can’t put their lives on hold indefinitely and government can’t keep paying people to sit at home.
Pastor Alfredo
to re-open you need a plan to deal with covid. cayman has no plan. hence there will be no re-opening.
why would anybody be surprised?…look at who you elected…look at their qualifications and experience….
PPM was mostly re-elected. The independents formed a government without them. We don’t directly elect our government as they meet in back rooms and in secret to form a government once winning their district. Don’t blame the voters…
I feel you and some what agree. I think of it in these terms..
It is us who pay government workers. The government does not produce anything. They only manage and exert power. If we paid someone to manage our yard and they do a horrible job and impose their own ideas on how it should be, who’s fault would it be when that continues for 4 years. After 4 years can we say the owner of the yard is not at fault?
We need to inspect what we expect. Its our money and resources that go towards these people and if they aren’t doing the job it is our responsibility to get it done. We protest and demand change. If not, we have no one else to blame but ourselves.
I’m 31 years old and I’ve lived here my entire life and I find it weird that so many people here love to pass the responsibility and blame on anyone else they can to make themselves feel better.
“It isn’t my fault, the government did the policy”.. “It isn’t my fault, no one taught me any better”..
When does it stop being someone else’s fault?
Then we should open up. The risk of covid for under 30’s is very small, and if the older more vulnerable population have had a chance to get the vaccine, there is no need to stay closed anymore.
Government needs to move their needle to 67%
What we know today.
Do you need to get tested?
As for when fully vaccinated people should be tested, if someone has any COVID-19 symptoms, they should get tested right away. If they’re fully vaccinated and exposed to a COVID-positive case, without symptoms, a fully vaccinated person should wear a mask until they get a negative test result. They should also get a COVID-19 test three to five days from exposure, according to the CDC’s latest guidelines.
That guidance differs from earlier recommendations of seven to 10 days because of the delta variant’s emergence sooner after exposure. Without a test, fully vaccinated people should wear a mask in public spaces for 14 days and monitor for symptoms.
It’s time Cayman. OPEN UP!!
Our way of thinking is why we are in this mess and it’s scary, if we cannot see we need to think and act differently as the world is not well.
The unvaccinated, for whatever their reason to refuse, will prove how deadly or not the virus is.
The vaccinated will be proving how effective the vaccines are.
Silly to think Cayman is insignificant to the rest of the world.
People should be allowed to leave if they chose.
Oh FFS for the millionth time anyone can leave if they want! Is it difficult? YES, but it’s doable STOP the BS about not having a choice already!!!
Other countries are implementing sensible policies to protect children –
“California will become the first state in the U.S. to require all teachers and school staff to get vaccinated or undergo weekly COVID-19 testing as schools return from summer break amid growing concerns about the highly contagious delta variant, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Wednesday.
The new policy applies to both public and private schools and will affect more than 800,000 employees, including about 320,000 public school teachers and a host of support staff such as cafeteria workers and cleaners, the state’s public health department said. It will also apply to school volunteers.”
Gavin Newsom – what a joke of a governor. The sooner he gets recalled the better.
You would prefer the governor of Florida as a role model no doubt
As with the UK and most other developed countries, its seems it’s the 16 to 30 year olds here where the vaccine rate is stalling. The reason is because the young are generally unaffected by covid and don’t see a need to be vaccinated. However the unvaccinated spread it more and we have had cases of people under 30 dying in the UK (although extremely rare). I suggest in cayman we do what other countries are going to get the 16 to 30 year olds to 80 per cent also – big marketing campaigns, discounts on various restaurants, cinema and shops if you get jabbed perhaps. Hate the idea of paying people with rewards to get jabbed but seems it’s the only way for theSe younger people who are not likely to get so sick that they need hospital space.
But they are not responding to rewards, are they? Perhaps pointing out how being vaccinated is part of being entitled to enjoy the freedoms we have is needed. An app or proof of vaccination to enter bars and night clubs may be more effective with the younger crowd. Follow France rather than the UK.
Lmao, if you think that will actually happen you are an idiot. No bar owner will turn away patrons, that’s money lost bo’oh. The Resturant thing doesn’t bother me, order to go and save 15% gratuity, hell yeahhhh
You clearly do not keep up with the data. The vaccinated carry the same viral load as the unvaccinated. So no, the unvaccinated do not “spread it more”
Wake up people! Look at what is happening around the world with the Delta variant. Cayman has basically zero ability to handle hospitalization. We will be in another lockdown in no time if we fling the borders open.
maybe you should address that “zero ability to handle hospitalization”?
What is your end point to reopen then? COVID free world?
We can’t stay closed forever and covid is never going away so what is the alternative? We should open the field hospital and not allow unvaccinated to live freely.
So because the under 30s can’t be bothered to get jabbed because it won’t be them in hospital, the whole community has to remain cut off from the outside world, the tourism industry trashed and the damage beginning to mount in the financial services industry? Yeah that sounds fair.
This is getting silly.
Government’s own statistics office has 17% of the Cayman population aged 14 and under. I understand that 14 year olds are eligible for a jab but the data available isn’t granular enough to isolate the percentage that are under the age of 12, the age at which it is currently not permitted to be administered. Let’s be overly cautious and say 15% of the population is under 12 and not able to get a covid shot. That leaves 85% of the total population who are eligible.
So the government wants 80% of the population vaccinated and only 85% of the population is eligible to receive the vaccine. That means you need over 94% of the eligible population to come forward and get their shot. That’s a percentage that even the most at risk group, those over 60, haven’t hit yet more than six months after the vaccines started being administered.
It is abundantly clear, and has been for weeks, that we won’t hit the 80% of total population target.
The above neatly avoids the nonsense total population denominator that government are using to calculate the 80% target. If the absolute percentage figures hold for the age demographics, particularly for those under 12, regardless of the levels of confidence in the actual numbers then it doesn’t matter if there are 65,000 people here, 71,000 people here or 100,000 people here. If 15% of them are too young to receive a shot then we won’t hit the 80% required by CIG unless it’s mandated by law under threat of fine, imprisonment or some other state sanctioned violence.
Pastor Alfredo
Agree and it’s become a Catch 22 for CIG. If they lower the denominator for any reason, it admits failure. If they wait for the Census, then they admit the denominator was incorrect and they needlessly restrained people by their own miscalculated metric. Either choice, short of actually obtaining the numbers we both agree are impossible, seems like a trust losing proposition.
Face saver would be to say it’s a new target of 90% of high risk groups. We are already over that. Then they don’t have to deal with the accuracy of the denominator or be seen to vary the arbitrary 80% number they used before.
Have you encouraged your church members to get vaccinated as yet? Could help with the numbers..
Same old story, we won’t get to the magical 80%. If prizes don’t work then CIG should figure out we are stuck. Does anyone still believe we will actually reopen before Christmas?
CNS: I have mentioned this in prior posts 😀, but please stop referring to herd immunity. 80% vaccinated will not protect the 20%. Herd immunity is irrelevant unless a vaccine blocks transmission. Delta is extremely transmissible , and it is now well established that even vaccinated individuals can serve as a transmission vector (albeit much less so). Any sort of transmission in the community will eventually find the 20%.
Get vaccinated to give your body a toolbox when you will inevitably encounter viral particles in your nasopharyngeal pathway over the next year or so. You will want the controlled RNA protein strip from the vaccine rather than the uncontrolled RNA strip in the form of SarsCov2.
(Family physician in Cayman and double vaxxed since March).
I suspect that due to the uncertainty of the government estimate of the current population numbers for Cayman, that there may not actually be another 6,000 people still available to be vaccinated.
Fantastic, the vaccine works and most of vaccinated.
When do we open?
It doesn’t but sound off anyway
When someone redicules me for not taking the vaccine because of my faith and my repulse of its origins being connected to abortions … I smile at them and let them know as well, the covid vaccines are a developing story. We are not done learning about it – https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/eu-drugs-regulator-looking-new-possible-side-effects-mrna-vaccines-2021-08-11/
Well if you will live your life based on fantasy for which there is no evidence (both of them) you shouldn’t be surprised when people laugh at you.
Will you sign a pledge not to go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid? I mean, you don’t trust the vaccine but you will trust the hospital to cure you of Covid?
Oh shut the hell up. I pay for health insurance the same way you do and I’ll be damned if I’m not going to seek treatment for any form of illness
Especially with all those experimental treatments for Covid..oh yeah, take the medicine that kills worms in horses that will knock that covid right out of you..
I have never heard such foolishness in my life.. I don’t laugh anymore at these anti-vaxxers and their stupid stories, most of the time I just cringe and worry how someone that I though had an ounce of common sense has none.
You really are part of the problem.
When God gives his children the ability to solve evil and harmful problems, why would some turn away? Unless your faith requires no medical intervention, I’m unsure how you draw a line between certain procedures or medications, short of human tissue origin. I assume you realize this vaccine does not come from aborted humans. Otherwise, what faith demands illness and death? Not being flip or insulting but curious how someone gets to that logical point.
You would have to ignore the facts to say there are no links to abortion (child murder) – https://www.lifenews.com/2021/08/02/catholic-groups-slam-vaccine-mandates-because-theres-no-moral-or-religious-exemptions/
This is why I was shock the Governor and the famous Cayman Minister’s Association, CMA, would say Christians have no “religious exemption”. Is this how we are going to stoop so low as to undermine Caymanian’s freedom of conscience?
So you have never been vaccinated against anything?
“my repulse of its origins being connected to abortions”
Just another clueless religitard spouting made up nonsense.
This is a worrying post – shocking that people actually link vaccines to abortions. Unbelievable.
Your faith – even the ministers association says you can get vaccinated without breaching God’s will. Explain to us less knowledgeable why there is a religious reason for not getting vaccinated.
He or she did mention the reason: The pfizer and moderna companies test their vaccine products by using fetal cells from abortion tissue. That’s a moral issue. The CMA does not speak for everyone.
CNS: This is a lie, which is a sin, I believe. They use fetal cell lines that are grown in a lab. So, what is the moral issue here? Is it to stop the use of aborted fetal cells in the testing or development of vaccines? Done. Further protest is pointless as this no longer happens. So the people who use this as a ‘moral issue’ to persuade people not to get the covid vaccine are willing to watch thousands of people, including children, die or suffer severe long-term illness because of an elective abortion 50 years ago. How evil.
Here is what the Pope, the leader of the largest and most vehement anti-abortion group, says on the matter: Vatican: Without alternatives, current COVID-19 vaccines are morally acceptable
I don’t believe pfizer’s claims that they just use it for testing. But I guess, CNS, you do. I don’t
CNS: That’s because you get your info from Facebook or crazy sites instead of looking for the truth. See Answers from infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD
Or you could check out the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. The Catholic Church has limitless resources to research their answers.
Now you know, there is no excuse for ignorance.
Cns, I agree to disagree. XXXX
CNS: George, you cannot ‘disagree’ with facts and I’m not going to publish untruths. You don’t believe it because you don’t want to believe it. This is why the anti-vax movement is so frustrating. Stay off Facebook and/or bull***t websites.
As the government ‘created’ 7,000+ residents, how did they decide what age category they were in? Let’s assume 20-30 year olds as they are the majority of the new permit holders. If they don’t exist then we’ve met the target.
Why was the census not carried out earlier, so we know our actual population statistics?!?!?
Where do they get these figures from. Half the people I speak to are not interested in experimental gene therapy with unknown long term side effects. When they open up can we get ivermectin and HCQ?
How is life in your silo? The fact that half the people you speak to don’t want the vaccine when 80+% of adults are already vaccinated suggests it must be pretty lonely.
Regarding the horse gut worm treatment you want, you have to go off island to get discredited treatments for Covid – same with injecting yourself with bleach – nobody is going to do it for you here.
“horse gut worm treatment”.. of all the possible uses, just because it’s the first thing that shows up when you “google” something doesn’t we ‘take is as gospel’..
Gone are the days when information on the internet was unbiased and devoid of any political ideologies.
Seems like western media has their audience by the neck, pretty sure the eastern hemi, is greatful for that “horse gut worm treatment” for things like river blindness.
And regarding IVM and it’s availability, maybe that has something to do with monetary gain?
Speaking of monetary gain, isn’t the fact that companies making money off of this issue not a red flag?…
If J&J or AstraZeneca protein based (viral vector) rather than mRNA were available, you’d line up and pull up your sleeve? When FDA approved? Or are you just never getting vaccinated by your own choice and willing to live with that outcome when the virus arrives? I’m good either way but just wanted an honest answer rather than excuse.
The demo 30 and under represent .7% of covid deaths in the US. Under 17 represent .05% (354) far fewer than the seasonal flu.
Who are we protecting and on what scientific and historic basis?
Keep it up and this ends in a place far darker.
This represents 88.7% of the actual population.
92% of over 60s is huge! That means almost all of the most vulnerable are vaccinated! This is the most important statistic!
It is not surprising that the unvaccinated are primarily under 18……newly approved for most of that age group. Also, those under 30 are typically low risk so no surprises there either.
The overall rates even for those under 30 are improving, albeit slowly. Anyone interested in seeing the vaccine uptake rate over the past month can see it here:
https://www.gov.ky/news/press-release-details/covid-19-update-11-august-2021
I wonder why the age group least impacted by COVID has the lowest uptake rate. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
Oh wait! Upon further review the actual population is actually 85,000. LOLL
I can see some people at the goal posts, moving them now.
Only reason they would suddenly publish this information, which they have had all along.
This is huge news, if these rates as reported by CNS are accurate, then we are opening on September 9. No governemnt could defend not sticking to the reopening plan at this rate of vaccination without experiencing a huge civil backlash from society. Great news.
We cannot open up till the COVID numbers start going down in Florida.
Far too risky.
Florida is not risky – their numbers are still way down compared to other US states. Of course the main stream media will just focus on any uptick there and not look at the overall picture because they don’t like DeSantis. He’s actually doing a great job as governor compared to the rest of the states.
Ugh another Trumper post🤮
DeSantis aka Jim Jones..
He is trying to be the new Trump but Trump will throw him under the bus just like he did any of the others that tried to get in his way.
I’d be surprised if that isn’t the highest rate in the world. Open up now.
Its not – but it is in the top 50
Top 10 at least
Our family were vaccinated in the US while on summer vacation and have since returned. Why are our vaccinations not being included in the figures?
travel was intended for repatriation and essential travel only, not for “summer family vacations “- so maybe your activities outside the country are not being considered?
So the Cayman Airways flights to Barbados, the sporting jollies to Tokyo and Turks, etc. were “essential”. Try so hush with that foolishness, that game was up long time.
That is a pretty ridiculous policy! You should be included. Thing is, your family isn’t the only one being excluded from that total.
Email public health and they will add your vaccination status to your records.
In other news, they are still making verified Vaccinated persons to wear GPS tracking devices despite us having moved to stage 2!?!.
Ridiculous. Either you uphold your commitments or you don’t, CIGOV.
Only if you came in before August 9th moron. Phase two came into effect that day.
Relax. No country is reporting external vaccinations. External vaccinations are also offset by those that visited Cayman and got the shot here. My neighbors parents were down from Canada in March and got jabbed here.
Take your vaccination cards and go down to the HSA and let them know..How are they supposed to know if you don’t let them know…They don’t read minds you know..
Oh geez. For some reason, I thought they were keeping records. No….wait, maybe that’s Cayman Border Control….hmmm
Really! Your family went to the US as unvacinated persons? Why? When all of you could have been fully vacinated before you risked your lives.
Because you thought your vacation was more important than common sense.
Why would you have needed to go to the US to have the vaccine, when it’s been available here since February? Why would you travel to the US unvaccinated and not have had it here before you left?
Didn’t say we had to. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing.
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