Imam knocked back on interfaith efforts
Aizaz Khan
(CNS): A Toronto-based imam from the Ahmadiyya Community, a sect of Islam dedicated to peace and interfaith cooperation, offered to explain Islam over a coffee to anyone in Cayman interested in understanding why the vast majority of the world’s Muslims are not terrorists. But Aizaz Khan received a less than warm welcome by local Christians during his short visit. Khan arrived on vacation a few weeks ago and offered to answer any questions anyone had about Islam. Hoping to meet with local Christian leaders to begin building bridges, he instead was met with insults and derision.
Khan arrived at a time when some people are ratcheting up anti-Islamic rhetoric because Cayman’s new governor, Anwar Bokth Choudhury, who will take over from Helen Kilpatrick next March, is Muslim. A campaign has been started by local activist Kerry Tibbetts to have the new governor replaced. She has said the FCO is being insensitive appointing a non-Christian to the job. CNS also understands that another group of local people has also written to the FCO expressing their dissatisfaction about Choudhury’s appointment.
With opposition to people of other faiths taking on the top job, Khan’s visit came at an interesting time. But he said that his offer to discuss the issue of religion, and Islam in particular, was largely rejected by the local Christian community. He found younger people and some less conservative Christians, as well as those from the Filipino Christian community, were in some cases happy to engage. Khan said he was really grateful to those people who were willing to embrace his offer and ask lots of questions over coffee.
But being called “scum” by some Christians surprised him, he said, as he was just offering to talk and nothing more.
CNS contacted a number of local Christian leaders but none of them would speak on the record about the idea of interfaith communication, with some being hostile about the notion and others dismissing it as something that Cayman did not need.
Cayman has a very small Islamic community and most practising Muslims remain very much under the radar. There is no mosque or any other non-Christian place of worship, other than the Jewish temple on Cayman Brac, and most people practising faiths outside of Christianity meet for worship in private homes or sometime hire function rooms. Although the preamble to the Cayman Islands Constitution 2009 describes the country as Christian, the Bill of Rights protects all religions.
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I’ve experienced the Muslim ‘No-go’ areas – If you Leftists (who know nothing about Islam, Sharia Law and have never read the Quran ) want that here on our tiny Island…go right ahead and open your arms wide !
Islam is a Political System/Ideology, not a religion so I am not sure that it would be protected under the Bill of Rights as a Religion.
Funny, I could have sworn you were talking about Christianity, or should I say the bastardization of it here. That is if you had not called out Islam. Being a non Christian I would rather take my chances being a minority in Islamic majority rather than a Christian one of the kind we have here any day. Why is it that some Cayman so called Christians have no respect at all for anything or anyone non Christian? I have never met such vile, hypocritical, condescending and ignorant Christians as some that live in Cayman, it’s as if this island is the last bastion of the Inquisition.
P.S. A Caymanian who used to live here.
What a load of codswallap from someone pretending to be a Caymanian !
Don’t think you were a Caymanian..maybe an expat that used to lie here..speak the truth!
It’s easy to believe in God. All you need to have is no evidence. All religions which claim supernatural understanding and knowledge of the physical world all share this trait in common and is total bollocks.
Except for Mormans. They have an actual book that god made some guy write.
People – religion is not a preference. It is either true or false. You cannot pick a religion just because it suites you better. Just because you were born in a Christian home does not make you a Christian or being born in a Muslim home makes you a Muslim.
All religions cannot be correct. All the religions can be all false, but all religions cannot be all right.
Buddhist, Hindu, Christianity, Islam, Catholicism are not the same.
Christianity is different from all because we depend upon Grace alone and Jesus Christ alone.
Hindu, Islam, Buddhist and Catholicism believe in works.
We cannot earn God’s favor by bribing him with works.
Please, people it does matter!!!
Umm excuse me. Don’t lump Catholics in the same bucket as Hindu and Buddhist. Catholics are the oldest and only true religion. The rest is all new age occult c$&p to confuse you. Jesus as your Saviour is the only true belief. The only way to true grace is confession, the Eucharist and receiving communion and have a personal relationship with you Saviour Jesus and none of this has anything to do with anyone else. So don’t force your crazy, warped bad religion on those who know and live the truth. That is the devil with distraction. Your relationship with God is between you and God only.
All of these religions claim extraordinary truths, but rely on lies as foundation. Christianity is no different. It’s easy to believe in a god, you just need to have no evidence.
I feel sorry for you. Do you need evidence to love someone too? Faith is exactly that, without proof. The only way you would have faith is to pray and form that relationship and make the effort towards God and then you will see the results. God gave us free will. We need to go to Him. He is not going to twist your hand or convince you. He has provided us with all the tools necessary. The Bible, Saints, miracles. What about those modern day Saints who after dying and were dug up had incorruptible bodies. What about the miracle of the sun in Fatima witnessed by all. What about Lourdes, France and miraculous healings from Lourdes water and where the Virgin Mary appeared. If you didn’t shut God out so abruptly without giving Him a chance then what hope do you have of developing faith. I personally have was healed from cancer from Lourdes water.
Buddhist discover what most people call god about halfway through their program. Then they move on to truth.
Umm, western people who follow the teachings of Buddha might believe in works, but they by no means believe in god.
Reading these comments and now perplexed by the irony of brutal, inhumane, and sustained acts of terror committed by White, European Christians – (in the name of Christianity!) – having made the Americas, the Caribbean, and of course, the beloved Cayman Islands the alleged “Christian safe-haven” it is today.
(Apparently not many of us are very interested or well-versed in history.)
Time folks … it heals and forgets all.
Who knows, maybe in 300 years our Muslim descendants will be referring to this early stage of the forthcoming, and by then established, Muslim caliphate?
You know…cycles and all that good stuff.
As you were though.
– Who
P.S. No, not a Muslim. No, not a terrorist. Feel free to report me to the authorities though. That is a typical threat and reaction of the ignorant at times like these.
Think bigger.
…and he’s back.
Hello there, my little obsessed, stalking troll.
How goes it?
– Who
Again, someone living in the past – We are in the 21st Century !! and still the Islamic Radical agenda continues … fortunately, if it happens in 300 years as you say, you will not be the person ‘forced’ to throw your prayer mat down 5 times a day and kneel towards Mecca and paying the Jizya to your ‘superiors’.
True.
However, we are the ones being “forced” to worship as Christians today … as a consequence of events initiated +300 years ago.
Europeans are the minority group in the New World and the dominant religion of Christianity is NOT native to these continents and achieved (and maintained) its status by way of the most grotesque forms of terrorism, genocide and inhumanity.
(In Jesus’ name, amen.)
This world is round my friend. Ebb and flow. Round and round. Cycles.
(Allahu Akbar)
– Who
You must be the little troll 3.43’s talking about. What an inane statement you make !! you are not being forced to do anything !
(Just seeing this.)
You (and your friend below) have missed the entire gist of my post – and it shows in your replies.
Granted, we are not forced to do anything TODAY as we are hundreds of years beyond the forced “settling” and “founding” of the Americas as “Christian lands”.
Clearly you fail to grasp history and the fact that terrorism, genocide, slavery, and brutality were the tools used to instil “Christianity” in our region.
(Unless of course you believe those hundreds of millions of modern, non-White, Latin Americans – many of Native and or mixed ancestry – were always Catholics and Christians.
Unless you also believe the tens of millions of Black and Mixed Americans, Caribbean, and Hispanics – majority being the descendants of slaves – were originally Christian?
Those are rhetorical questions – as clearly you are actually that ignorant.)
Fast-forward another 300 years and, if successful, the forthcoming Muslim Caliphate, similar to modern western Christianity, will be an established and acceptable faith with its legacy of forcible conversion being long forgotten … as clearly demonstrated by you (and your friend).
I trust this helps.
– Who
*Isn’t it amazing how widespread and accepted is blatant ignorance?
Wow.
Who is forcing you or anyone else to worship as Christians..You are so full of it.. Come on man, who forces you to church on Sunday morning in Cayman..Stop being ignorant and foolish!
Please highlight my reply to your friend…right click…copy …and then, paste as a reply to your equally misguided response to my post.
(Sigh)
We need laws against stupid.
– Who
99.9% of the Western World are “proud” that they haven’t the slightest hint of interest in knowing the difference between a Shia and Sunni. Few know or care what a Amadiyya is all about (fewer will click on the link). Zero effort has been expended in the last 16 years of war to learn about the tribal and sectarian divisions within Islam. When reading about genocidal attacks on Yazidis and Shias, most would think to themselves, “tough luck for them”. 4 star Generals, Senate and national leaders will proudly declare they don’t know what a Twelver is – maybe something to do with the 12 days of Christmas song? Meanwhile the G7 continues to sell Billions in advanced weapons to MENA nations that build the “schools of hate” that incubate the suicidal jihadist Salafist and Wahabbist Sunnis we have been fighting. Some of these schools maintain education compounds within the borders of these G7 countries. That’s the sad state of affairs, unfortunately.
Where was the outrage from the local Christian community when Errington Webster was grooming a young girl and doing other horrific things while claiming to be a Christian. Learning about another religion is education, how can this so called Cayman Kind country call someone scum for being of a different but monotheistic faith. What moral high ground does Kerry Tibbetts have to petition for anything, she has a blasted conviction for fraud. So sad the ignorance.
The fact is..my uneducated friend….Whilst yes, Sex Crimes are committed all over the world… including our little Island…. It is a proven fact …from the COURT records… that the MAJORITY of sex crimes (at least) in the UK are perpetrated by Muslims…When will you people wake up ??? 1400 rapes in the last few years by Muslims who think Women without veils are just sex objects ??? and the Police are too scared to act !!
I am at the point of just ignoring your stupid comments and retaliations so I will not even look at your responses …. when the Muslim BOMB hits you… don’t come crying to me that your are FORCED to ‘aim your mat to Mecca’ and pray 5 times a day….. READ THE QURAN !!!
Similar question… where was the outrage from Islam community? Why didn’t they impose Sharia law, take him into the streets and behead him?
Don’t let any Islam people in here. They already caused havoc all around the world. Do you really want to debate with the devil. Send him back where he came from. He is not welcome. These little islands are paradise and we want to keep it that way. It is not up to discussion to spread your Muslim goals in Cayman. No mosques will be here. Stick to your territory, we already have our own beliefs. Actions speak louder than words and your words are meaningless of peace. You a wolf in sheep’s clothing so bbbaaaa away.
Cayman ~ still in the grips of the narrow minded religious “leaders” who can’t even get along with each other. But they do unite on one thing…their religion is the “best”, the “truth”, and all others are false. And please…study the history of Christianity. It would frighten you to see how many were killed to propagate this Christian religion.
While you are at that please also read about Cayman’s history and it’s Christian faith. Crime as it stands today was unheard of when I was growing up..I just turned 50, so not that long ago..I grew up in a society that was not “narrow minded” as you say but one that cared about each other and took time out to welcome those that came to our island. We have been so overrun by other cultures that now we find ourselves apologizing for what we are? Why is that we are now being told that we must accept and change or common beliefs and culture by people who come here from countries where we would not be allowed to reciprocate in the same manner.?
It makes me laugh that people say all Muslims are terrorists but they forget all the wars and deaths Christianity as caused since the religion was made. Yes I said made by man.
From the Greeks and Romans Christians have killed and destroyed anything in their path that wouldn’t convert to Christianity, Slavery happened on the back of Christian beliefs. Priests and other Christian leaders have been committing blood rituals and sexually abusing children for years. Personally some of the most judgmental. evil, backstabbing people I have ever met have been Christians, I considered my self a Christian for many years but after witnessing so many terrible actions by my own people I decided that I will praise god in my own time my own way spiritually. Lets not forget God is not religious, religion is man made, God is a spiritual being, if you want to get closer to God connect with him on a spiritual level, don’t live like a dog Monday to Saturday and then act like your a clean hearted person on a Sunday. Lets not forget that we are all human. Yes Muslims are going through a mad cycle at the moment, but lets also not forget that Christians are to blame just as much especially the so called Land of the Free USA, THE BIGGEST TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD.
Look in the mirror before judging others, whether your a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist etc. etc. we all sin on a daily basis, you can either be honest to yourself and to God by or you can lie to yourself and pretend your a good person. Guess what which do you think it’s the worst one.
More biased rubbish. You could go on forever comparing religions and the ‘bad’ in them, but you conveniently forget that Islam still breeds terrorism. Islam has an agenda to be rid of all infidels, no need for any modern day comparison, the subject matter is Islam.
I agree, the OLD Testament has plenty of reference to violence but then Jesus’ mission (and the New Testament which followed) was intended to counter all of that – He preached love for your enemies not Chopping Heads and hands off or stoning Adulterers and throwing Gays off High places and levying of Taxes …against anyone who does not believe.
The Quran teachings declare that their book is the ‘final’ word – so it cannot be changed (unlike the Bible which was written by Jesus’ followers during his time on Earth from their day to day interaction with him) – the Quran was written hundreds of years after the death of Muhammad, who was illiterate so could not have written anything himself), so the Hate passages remain unchanged – although I agree that like many purported Christians with the Bible’s OLD testament, not all Muslims follow the word of the Quran to the letter – Still the basic tenet remains as their rooted belief system. Even the fact that Muhammad as their so-called Prophet was a Pedophile and Murderer would give me pause to think perhaps this is not a Godly path to follow, even if I claim to be a Peaceful Muslim, as does the sect of Islam which this gentleman follows.
I wonder how the native people of the AMERICAS would view your impassioned but grotesquely biased take on Christianity?
They’d probably give it more credence than your grotesquely ridiculous statement.
Well, it’s impossible to gather reliable data seeing the vast majority were mercilessly slaughtered in cold blood and the name of Christianity.
Although I’m sure you tend to simply skip over such inconvenient chapters of the story.
and I’m sure you tend to skip over reality – still living in the dark ages !
You obviously did not read the post at all – otherwise you would see that the poster openly admits to the violence in the Old testament – just another troller for the sake of trolling !
Can anyone guess why majority of the time you can distinguish the religion of a person by knowing his/her geographical position.
Cause it’s all shiite.
Any religion that does not accept Jesus as their Saviour ie trinity (The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) is a false religion! Islams talk about Jesus and respect Him as a human being/prophet. They do NOT believe Jesus is God come to earth as man to save us. Their belief is not of peace. They believe ‘an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth’. Jesus preached peace and forgiveness. Islam does not. So stay away from Cayman. We not interested in your rhetoric. Go away.
There is that “caymankind” again…lol!
No one cares what you think. If you don’t like it, go back to your “kind” country..
Actually I am an expat. If you want to be derogatory take that attitude else where to your own ‘kind’. It won’t serve you in Cayman.
I don’t mean to sound mean or full of hate. Not my intention to bash anyone or to be hateful. The truth does hurt.
“Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life, No man cometh onto the Father but by Him.”
Muslims and other people say the Bible is corrupted by man.
Let’s critique the Quran the way Muslims and non Christians critique the Bible.
Quran was altered because it was first written in Arabic. Now it is written in English.
Man written!!!!!
The Quran was compiled after the death of Mohammed. So how do we know if the man that was in charge after Muhammads death was true about putting it together the right way?
So the Muslims trust is not in Mohammed but a different man or men I should say.
Also after it was compiled they burned all the manuscripts saying, this is the true Quran. So how now can we prove that everything was written correctly? No proof, no sources to look back at. Take this book or leave it or die!!!!!
Also many of the people who memorized the Quran died in battle. They found one particular verse with one man that no man had. How do we know if he was right?
(I attended to the work, compiling the Qur’an from palm‑branches, pieces of cloth, and from the memory of the people, till I found the last part of Surah al‑Tawbah with Abu Khuzaimah Al Ansari, which no one else had.)
Hmmmm!!!
Getting a bit fishy to me.
Muslims say Jesus was not crucified nor he died and rose.
History, scholars, atheists and the Bible says otherwise.
Jesus was crucified, died and He is Risen!!!!! Amen!!!!
Who got Jesus right? The Bible or The Quran?
Sounds like Islam was jealous over the Torah and the Bible. Old Testament and the New Testament.
Jesus did say many false teachers will come after me. Jesus is right about this. Well, Islam and Muhammad did come after Jesus. Beware of false teachers. :////
Wolves in sheeps clothing. Or wolf on wolf = prosperity preachers
What Islam and Christianity both have in common is the lack of evidence for the extraordinary claims made by the two crazy foolish ideas.
It is true that to put your entire faith into words from a book is unwise, especially when it requires you to blindly accept that the “facts” and opinions contained come direct from the deity. Even more so, when they are deemed to come through the mouthpiece on earth, who in fact was many years dead when the book was written.
So, if you can apply that rationale to the Quran, think hard about the Bible.
The truth is that it is nonsensical to blindly have faith in ancient writings, instead, take what you can from writings of all faiths and form your lifestyle on what you find to be moral and reasonable. And while you are at it, don’t forget that the Quran and the Bible are not the only writings, there is truth and nonsense in both those, but in many others too.
You have no idea what you are saying. The bible was compiled from many works, some of which predated Jesus the Christ. Jesus spoke many times, that ‘…it is written…’ The bible is also not about Christianity only; Jesus is of the New Testament. The Old Testament is context for Christianity.
The main difference between Christianity and Muhammadanism is that one teaches love and forgive your enemies and the other teaches reject and kill anyone who is not of your religion. One teaches co-existence whilst the other preaches no tolerance. One teaches that it is a sin to lie or abuse your neighbor in anyway and commands you to love thy neighbor as thyself, whilst the other teaches that it is OK to lie or kill your neighbor if they are not of your own religion.
People keep saying Islam is a religion of peace, but there is no way to leave Islam peacefully or to live in a country ruled by Islamic laws which countenances other laws or religions. Islam is only peaceful and tolerant in countries that are ruled by other religions or non-religious regimes. The most tolerant interpretations of Islam is so hated by the rest of Islam that they are the first victims of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist. And why is this so? Because they dare to tolerate the rest of us who are not of their extremist views.
But Christianity is a religion of peace. The entire story of the Christ and his followers is about peace and love. And those who practice in His name and fail to love their neighbors as themselves are expressly condemned in the Bible by the word of the Christ and all His disciples.
Amen.
Rick, presumably you mean me when you say “You have no idea what you are saying”?
Point me to the bit that was incorrect.
What I was saying is that both texts are anachronistic, both contain parts written on a non contemporary basis, both contain reasonable teachings and both contain nonsense.
In this day and age it is absurd to presume that the texts, either of them, are absolute and to be followed without question.
My suggestion is that as educated modern people, we should take from those texts the parts that make us better people, but never to let ourselves be blindly driven by a dogmatic belief that these ancient writings are accurate in all things!
Christianity is not a religion of peace. A hobo on a cross half naked being tortured is a symbolism toward peace? Far from it.
You’re right the Quran was written between 100-200 years after Mohammed’s death and he was illiterate anyway so wouldn’t have been able to write it. At least the New Testament was written during the life of the disciples who were with Jesus and experienced his teachings first hand and recorded them.
The manuscripts held of the early writings which compile the Quran have been proven to show many many cases of editing by different scribes over the years (which Muslims will deny like the plague because the Quran is ‘supposed’ to be unalterable.
we live in the west…free….you guys already messed up the arab world with islam? why change something that dont need changing? we are fine….as we are….kind. happy christians…only thing we have to worry about is mortgages y bills…not extremists? not yet!??
I think perhaps you shouldn’t have used the word ‘kind’. Because clearly yours and most comments on here are neither Christian nor kind.
Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims have so much in common (anti-science, intolerant of gays, beat their children, against equality for women, etc.). God help us all if they are realize this and unite.
Kerry Tibbetts and her crew are going to bring negative (and possibly violent) focus from ISIS onto our beautiful islands. Please, for the sake of our children, stop being so aggressive Kerry and think about other people than yourself.
Have to agree. She has caused so much unnecessary anger amongst her people. She calls herself a leader, what a joke. She’s a nuisance to society, an ex con that thinks she can redeem herself by trying to stir up crap. Her karma will come around I am sure and bite her in the ass. I for one will tune in with my bag of popcorn and enjoy the show.
The curse of Cain & Abel continues in the Arabs vs. Jews…vs. the world.
All of this controversy over some god no one can prove exist. Nothing to see here move along.
B-b-b-b-but the bible says…
LMAO you’re right. ZERO proof!
The usual ignorant comment. Remember faith is believing without proof, faith is exhibited in many human actions. If you can prove God does not exist, millions of people would like to know.
Remember faith is beleiving in something without any evidence. You can have faith in whatever you want, it’s useless.
The burden of proof is with the people who beleive in talking snakes and wizards.
As it happens, The Islamic Society of the Cayman Islands has acquired land on Smith Road — derelict building immediately behind the Solution Center — to build a mosque.
Is there any proof that the people he spoke to are Caymanian, remember more than 50% of the people here are not Caymanian. Not many if any Caymanians are in coffee shops. It is unlikely he just decided to visit us, maybe he was directed to, or requested to come here. Remember we are peaceful and very generous when it come to immigration, maybe it is a test for bigger things.
The hateful comments on here show the true lie of the peaceful and generous nature of the Cayman people.
Exactly! Forever preaching ” we are peaceful, welcoming “caymankind” . It’s a load of crap. Especially from the people who preach it the most. Kerry tibbetts and her pathetic close minded, ignorant followers. They are worse than the Muslims. Poor guy didn’t come to change anyone. Cayman should be embarrassed. This young man was treated horribly. It’s embarrassing and it was uncalled for. Get a grip.
My problem with his visit is why he is trying to preach peace with peaceful people , and not trying to preach peace to the violent criminal people like ISIS . But he’s lucky that I am not the Governor or the Premier of the Cayman islands .
Hey Imam. I completely understand the vast majority of Muslims in the world are not terrorist just the same as the vast majority of Christians in the world are not terrorist.
Imam could you expain why the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the world at present happen to be commited by Muslims?
Except in the US where they are committed by white males.
You need to revisit those stats. Btw the year is 2017.
Ha
Based on an editorial comment just posted online Mr Khan didn’t actually make much effort to contact the Christian community on the island. What did he expect? That they’d come flocking to see him?
The problem is Islam is NOT a religion of peace.
There is something you have to understand (I am a muslim). The Quran is the word of God. It cannot be changed altered or revised. Unlike many of the different christian religions. Where christian religion has changed over the years in the revisions of their bible. To make it more tolerant. The Quran has never been edited, or revised. And will never be. To edit the Quran is the most sinful of sins. As it is considered the word of God and cannot be questioned. So google violent passages in the Quran. You will find some shocking examples. That are still done today.
Islam will never accept gays, adultery, equality or many of the other things that the tolerant left enjoy today.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims.
It is okay to lie to non believers to gain their trust. The entire faith is to convert everyone to Islam.
Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even if they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks
Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter
When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers
Equality with men and women. Think again.
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them
Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you
There are many many more
Unfortunately, until the Quran is acceptably edited. The violence will never stop. It’s a hard truth. But one you have to understand to be like the verses in the Quran. It cannot be questioned.
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23:1
Both Islam and Christianity are not a religion of peace. There are violent verses in the Bible just as there is in the Quran.
People will claim it’s old testament yet it very much remains part of the Bible.
Both religions promote ignorance as if knowledge we’re evil and orchestrated by the devil.
This is a big problem.
Thank you – to an Honest Muslim…. whilst I have a problem with the basic tenets of Muhammad and his life style … I concede that Christianity has many flaws as regards the Old Testament but in the years since Jesus, the Christian theology tried and preached to change that (which is something which Islam text never did and continues not to do because ‘the Quran cannot be altered’)…..Yes, Christianity (and their followers) has not been perfect throughout the ages… many atrocities in the name of Christianity {witch burning, Slavery, Colonization etc} – but the underlying message which Jesus tried to portray was one of peace (”love your enemies” … even if not all Christianity’s followers did not or do not abide by it to the letter – in the same way as ‘a few’ Muslims do with the Quran 1400 years later – taking it word for word)…. and with the abolition of these Christian wicked practices over the years, hopefully we Kaffirs have become enlightened and managed to change our ways….some, maybe not – but these days we do not bomb/shoot people because of our difference of opinion or the publication of a cartoon or mowing people down in cars shouting ‘Jesus Akbar’ whilst we’re doing it !
The Difference is … Yes, terrorism is conducted by Non-muslims all over the world but the majority of the recent atrocities have been committed by people following the tenets of Islam (note I am not saying Muslims as I have Muslim friends who are nothing but good people living exemplary lives (one of my family members has a Muslim relationship) !! (Not Sikhs, Buddists etc) who assimilate and try to live in peace with ‘their fellow man’ – not dominate them.
Does he have a work permit. It would interested to know what he disclosed on his immigration form when he entered Cayman.
He was here on vacation, he didn’t come here to work or work for any company. Would you need a work permit to go to a church in another country or to go around to talk about your religion to other people in another country?
Cayman kind! How disgusting, what away to treat a visitor. So many so called Christian’s in Cayman, but will molest kids, beat their wives, steal, etc etc. How dare you call him scum. Sick
Hard to believe but you all believe in the same god,
Jesus has several entries in the Koran.
And I can personally say there is nothing like arab hospitality
It hard to imagine how may pig ignorant people live on this island.
Any they call themselves christians.
Google “Vatican says right wing Christians not to far from jihadists”
Then look in the mirror.
I contacted him early on, and was willing to sit & chat objectively over coffee..
Not even a reply to me!
Wolf in sheep’s clotging I tell ya.
I know several who contacted him and have had coffee with him. He was very quick to respond to them and a very nice gentleman to meet apparently.
Confirmed, I met with him for coffee and he was an absolute pleasure to talk to.
Don’t believe you.
You don’t believe anything except your uneducated ways
Islam is one of the worst ideas. I understand you want to talk about your religion, however, they’re some of us who don’t respect supernatural beliefs.
How interesting, that’s what they think of Christian beliefs. Might be an idea to sit down and discuss…oh.
Who is you to judge religion of 1.5 billion people are u stupid something
Who ARE you ..not who IS you .. and you’re calling the poster stupid !?!
people people…i never heard of christian extremists???? only mulims and other factions…so why would we want to introduce that here? maybe he can ask them mosquitoes drinking at super c bar about logic???
There’s enough Christian extremists on-island, and apparently many of them are in this thread. Whatever they are, they are not TRUE Christians, that’s for sure. I hope they get judged as harshly as they judge now.
Terrorists of the Irish Republican Army – all Catholic Christians and Christian on Christian war that was waged for decades (arguably still going on).
I was in NI in the 1970s. The IRA was being trained and supplied by Libya and they in turn were being backed by the Soviet Union. Last time I checked Libya was, and still is, an Islamic state.
Are you sure he wasn’t here to give Dawah and try and convert ‘unbelievers’ through his appeal to coffee and talk. That is how they usually roll.
Yeh, cos you had so much experience of that, right? Except the Jehovah’s witnesses and other so called Christian pests that roam around trying to convert people to their con artist ways. In all my travels not one Muslim has ever tried to convert me.
The big question not being addressed is why the Cayman Islands have suddenly been targetted by Mr Khan’s organisation. There’s never been any problem with the resident Muslim minority and the financial sector has made, and is still making, $millions from transactions involving funds from Islamic sources. So who’s stirring the pot here?
Hopefully, the RCIPS, Immigration and the various security services based here kept a close watch on his visit.
judging by the response he got I think it’s obvious there is a problem….
No one cared either way about Islam before he decided to stir the pot. Muslim live in Cayman peacefully.
Why not go somewhere and discuss in other countries where there is obvious turmoil.
The backlash is nothing to do with Islam. It is to do with the approach. If you realistically look at it, most ppl are Christian by identity but non practicing and the rest are some other religion but also non practicing. Very very few people actually care about religion.
Most people are in Cayman to make money. He is providing a very unnecessary distraction. Can we all get back to work and focus on moving around and investing all the money from the sheiks and sheikas?
Rejecting the claim of a supernatural belief is not a crime. If you don’t want to be criticized for your belief then keep your mouth shut.
Calling people names like scum because they share their belief is real scum mentality.
Stupid thinking
For God’s sake the man is here on holiday not his ‘organisation’. He was good enough to try and open up the rhetoric here whilst actually on holiday. I cannot believe the amount of pure hatred running through the veins of this thread, and seemingly the Cayman people. Not very Caymankind let alone Christian at all.
You don’t have to wonder, he came to save us all, Muslim included, but he did not tolerate hate, and went sround preaching the good news and converting all to Christianity. Christians- Christ followers. We are not perfect but some of us are trying everyday to be better than we were yesterday.
I do not condone anyone calling another scum but we don’t even know if that really happened or whether it was from Christians. If Christians decided not to converse with him that is their prerogative. If any of you believe he was just here to chit chat you are very must mistaken. He has an agenda, if only to build a Muslim community. We do not need another religion springing up here.However I am glad that he was not welcomed with open arms. I would have conversed with him if I had happened to run into him because I do know something about their beliefs and what they teach as well as the ways they try to come accross. We really do not need him coming to enlightened us about his faith, most of us do not really care about his faith. Perhaps he should have gone to visit some of his oppressed brothers and sisters in the Middle East who are terrorizing so many parts of the world with their hatred and warped religion. Why does he think we need to know about his religion. Canada is a huge country, perhaps he should continue doing his missionary works there and leave us alone. Be aware of wolves in sheep clothing. Concerning the next governor, we will be hospitable to him but he must understand real early that he cannot meddle in our religion and we won’t meddle in his.
Well I’ve checked with all the atheists and it wasn’t us, therefore it must have been the Christians doing the scum stuff
Thank you! Sorry muslims but you’re not wanted here…. the few who are here can enjoy their peace but we not adding anymore!
Ignorant fool who lessen to you
I feel sad for you that you are so ignorant.
People who have no interest in finding out what makes other people tick are always going to be narrow minded and bigoted, and you are a case in point. Someone very wise once said keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Or simply read the Quran and then show an interest in finding out what the subject is, before making ‘blanket’ statements which you know nothing about ! See the post above made by an honest Muslim which quotes passages of the Quran…. they speak for themselves.
His intentions may be good but it comes across as arrogant as essentially he can only speak about how he views Islam and not how the entire Muslim population views Islam and identifies themselves with it.
What turns me off Islam is that in my experiences Muslim expect respect and acceptance from individuals affiliated with other religions, yet they are not prepared to extend that same respect and acceptance the other way.
Simple example – it is to be accepted that a Muslim living in a Western European country is wearing a Niqab, Burqa, Abaya etc, but it is not accepted when a tourist visiting a Muslim predominant country wears shorts! It is a totally hypocritical view and the playing fields are not leveled. There are too many of such examples.
This is like the UK Hate preacher Anjem Choudary ….he uses the very freedom of speech afforded to him by the Country to preach against exactly that !… his intolerance to democracy and free speech !
Could I go to a Muslim Country and openly preach Christianity?? I don’t think so !
And then there’s the ones with 4 or more wives and hoardes of kids all living on the welfare benefits of the democratic society which they hate so much….would sure give Immigration PR and Government family assistance a run for their money if they were given free reign to settle here…..just saying
12:47 I’ve lived and worked in the Middle East and you are absolutely correct to say. ‘they are not prepared to extend that same respect and acceptance the other way.’ The problem is you’re regarded as a non-believer of Kafir and although the Quoran (60:8) tells believers to show kindness and be just to non-believers in reality you’re more likely to be treated like scum.
It’s a marked contrast to the attitude of the Israelis who frankly couldn’t give a damn what your beliefs are as long as you keep them to yourself. I was staying in a Tel Aviv hotel in 1991 just as Ramadan started and the Jewish hotel staff were getting up in the middle of the night to prepare Suhoor for the Muslim guests who couldn’t eat at the normal breakfast times – that’s tolerance.
Read the book ‘Stealth Jihad’ by Robert Spencer and this will give you an idea of what the Agenda is. It’s interesting that we hear of a New Muslim Governor, Khan’s visit and now talk of a Mosque being proposed….makes you wonder if there’s an agenda in the works.
Did he leave yet? I would love to talk to him. I have a lot of questions.
Who are the true Muslims?
I think the peaceful Muslims are losing the battle against radical Muslims.
Religion of peace? Or pieces?
Muslims follow Mohammed, right?
Mohammed said a lot of peaceful things at the beginning but then he turn into a killing machine.
Does Mohammed and Islam suffer from spit personality?
Mohammed beheaded 800 Jews in one city alone, raped and solved the women into slavery. He lied a lot to get his way (making false peace treaties). He married a child and got her pregnant. He even married his son-in-laws wife.
Should Muslims follow his life?
If so then ISIS doing exactly what Mohammed preached.
Just like the Bible say to Christians “examine yourself to see if we are walking in faith”.
Muslims please understand the Quran.
And lets not even start on the crusades, the Spanish inquisition and then there was that nice Christian guy Hitler.
Please educate yourself and get a clue before making dumbass comments like this. Hitler was a secular socialist. Second the crusaders were fighting an invasion of Muslims moving from north Africa to practically all of Europe and into Spain., not chopping heads off because people didn’t believe in the bible, like they do in much of the middle East.
You are lair no where in the history books written that ..u just fool tray play smart to say what ever
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I believe this is written in Arabic ! 🙂
Some interesting comments on here. Just want to point a few things out for readers. Disclaimer – I’m not muslim.
Point 1 – This article opened with “A Toronto-based man”. Given the Canadien tourist market is your 3rd highest, with the European market dwindling fast, actions like these carry with them significant ripple effects. This is a jurisdiction with very liberal immigration policies, and more tolerant towards diversity than many (if not all) jurisdictions. It is one thing to constantly bash your local expat population, it is another matter entirely to bash your tourism population. Cuban tourist #s are growing rapidly, Cayman’s are not. Stunts like these cost you millions in P.R. campaigns to undo, and if this gentleman’s stories were to get into certain groups, Cayman will not be able to undo that damage.
Point 2 – No question, certain Islamic jurisdictions have what appear to be archaic policies towards gender relations. But for those trying to use Cayman or any Western country as a beacon of progress, I would suggest you don’t. Just as common as it is to see women being physically acosted by men in those jurisdictions, so to is it as common to see women physically acost men in the West. It is so prevalent that mainstream TV actively makes comedy of this. Your courts routinely incarcerate men with 60% longer sentences for same crimes. Your boys systematically underperform female peers across all levels of education. Women represent 80% of consumer spending (see that massive dump in the middle of 7-mile – that’s a result of consumer spending). And the list can go on and on. Unfortunately some radical feminist, will probably respond to this post with false narrative drivel, but to all other that have some ounce of common sense, please get off your high horse about Western gender equality, It is a total crock of sh*t. The West is not better than Islam, we just choose to f*ck over a different gender.
Sunbathing in Burkas. Funny thought but it does happen.
I’m pretty clear that the west is better than Islam, or at least the countries where Islam rules, and the migrant situation indicates that a lot of muslims agree. There are few westerners beating down the doors to get into the Islamic countries.
Canadians don’t even want the muslims. They are barely tolerating them with the importation of the culture they are bringing with them.
Real Canadians don’t want to live in Toronto anymore because it is full of the worst kind of immigrants. Real Canadians can’t buy a home anymore in Toronto because of the costs. Immigrants and foreign investors driving up the prices artificially.
If only Canadians – me included – could grow a spine and restrict the influx of immigrants from one jurisdiction and spread it out. Toronto will soon be the little Middle East. Vancouver little China.
Except for the Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau who hates Christians and rewards terrorist Omar Khadr with hundred of thousands of Dollars in Tax Payers Money !
You really have to be a Moron to give a ‘thumb-down’ over something which is a statement of fact ! If it was a discussion point, then fair play but just to give a ‘thumb-down’ for the sake of being a ‘troll’ is pretty pathetic !
Actually, it was $10 Million awarded to that convicted terrorist…..
Is he gone already? I would like to speak with him. I have a lote of questions.
1. Who are the tru Muslims. Muhammed preach some good things but he also did a lot of bad things. He did behead 800 Jews and raped women and sold them in to slavery. He married a child and got her pregnant at age 12, i think. He even married his son-in-law’s wife. Should the Muslim follow his example of how to live life?
I have so many other questions.
Islam teachs that good people go to heaven? ISIS are the true Muslims because they are doing what Muhammed taught?
The peaceful Muslims are losing the battle against the radical Muslims.
So did the Christians on the Crusades, the Spanish at the inquisition and only the Pope knows how many the Vatican killed in its time, never mind it’s tacit support of Hitler as he killed millions of Jews, gypsys and gays. Look it up. Oh, buts it’s ok for Caymanian underage girls to be pregnant? Legally that’s rape. Something about someone throwing the first stone?
Didn’t the loving Lord above commanded his ‘chosen’ people to wipe out entire cities? Allowed Countless women be raped and force to marry the men that raped them? Allowed his people to take captives for slaves? How old was Mary when she was pregnant?
The logic used by Christians is so ridiculous. Christianity is literally one of the newer religions in the history of mankind, borrowing the best ideology of all previous religions and merging it into one. Information is too readily available for this kind of mental ignorance to still prevail.
Some people seams to believe that Google has all the information on everyone and everything , you’re wrong Google don’t get it until it becomes publicly known .
Atleast you get more answers than if you prayed to God, Allah… Or, whatever.
My religion is better than your religion. I’ not telling you what is is though, don’t want any of you assholes around for all eternity.
seems like they looking an easy way into the island to create HAVOK
Talking rubbish go fix your ugly soul
Little late for a Muslim mission here Cayman. Seems like you are doing very colonizing Europe and North America though.
If we’re going to be honest: Contemporary Catholicism and Anglican Christian doctrine is barely observable in the Cayman Islands. What we have is a stand-alone Anglican “Bishop” that literally practices the Book of Common Prayer from Blackbeard’s Pirate Era, and a Caribbean splinter faction of the Evangelical “Church of God”, of Anderson Indiana, that believes in Jesus Christ the Savior while simultaneously adhering to Old Testament creation myth, and vengeful right-wing doctrine. Understanding and navigating this reality is part of living in the Cayman Islands. Once you understand and accept this, everything else starts to make sense.
Who on Earth would give any credibility to anything Tibbets ever said. And what she knows about Muslims and the Islamic faith could probably be written on the back of a postage stamp. As a Caymanian, I find her a major embarrassment to the Country.
One question I would like to ask! Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism the four main religions of the world! Historically which one is responsible for commiting the most atrocities on the human race. Start with the Greek Empire, Roman Empire, African Slave Trade, Ottoman Empire, Josef Stalin, Mao. Just to name a few! Which one of the four religions the majority of them belong to! Do a unbiased historical research and see what will be the answer!
Josef Stalin? Communist, atheist and destroyed all Churches. The latter bit I could quietly support here…
Greeks, Romans, Ottomans and Mao a bit off point as well.
As you say, HISTORICALLY !!!! At least in this 21st Century, the ‘would be’ Radical Non-Muslims have become enlightened to the error of their ways…Not so, the Radical Muslims who are the main perpetrators of Terrorism !
What she knows about anything/everything could fit on that stamp. She’s inflicted with an overactive ego and mouth but an underperforming brain!