Police arrest one and step up armed patrols
(CNS): Police conducted an operation in Prospect Friday afternoon and arrested a 35-year old man from George Town on suspicion of attempted murder in connection with home invasion on Adonis Drive, West Bay, last month where a man was shot. Police have confirmed that no shots were fired, despite reports of this being widely circulated on social media. Officers have not confirmed whether or not this incident is connected to the current murder investigations relating to the mass shootings in George Town, in which two men have been killed and eight injured over the last week.
Meanwhile, follow a National Security Council meeting earlier today, armed patrols are to be increased at bars and there will be an increase in vehicle checks on the roads. The NCC has also agreed to increase CCTV coverage in hotspots and to offer cash reward of $50,000 via Crime Stoppers for information on illegal guns.
With both of the fatal shootings still under investigation, officials are also turning their focus to illegal firearms and Director of Customs and Border Control Charles Clifford attended the meeting today to provide an update on what is being done to prevent guns coming into the country.
“It was important that the National Security Council agreed some immediate actions to be taken, as these incidents are extremely shocking and most worrying to members of the community,” said Governor Martin Roper in a press release after the meetings. “Our immediate focus remains on catching all perpetrators and those involved in these crimes. While we remain confident in the RCIPS, we also need the full cooperation of the community, to identify those involved and remove illegal firearms from our streets.”
Premier Wayne Panton said his government was taking a zero tolerance approach, especially to gun crime, and as a result all assets will be deployed. Helicopters will become more visible, using their spotlights in business and residential areas. Marine resources will be used to address the immediate need, as well as the larger problem of the importation of illegal firearms.
“These shootings have involved so many innocent bystanders,” he said. “These people who were injured could have been killed, and they could be members of any of our families. That is why I am imploring anyone who has information or who has seen anything to come forward to help the authorities address these gun crime issues.”
Opposition Leader Roy McTaggart, who is a member of the council, stressed the importance of uniting as a community to tackle this issue. “The opposition stands in support of the measures being put forward by the NSC to decisively address these deeply disturbing gun crimes. I urge the community to do their part to help remove these guns from our society,” he said.
The National Security Council is scheduled to meet again on Tuesday, 13 July.
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Cayman won’t get any intelligence from Jamaica, they are too happy to have their criminals shooting up somewhere else. The JA cops here are basically uneducated, cannot read and write much less solve a crime. They are here for money and have no interest in solving crimes. Bring in real cops get rid of half of the JA ones here, implement stricter penalties, deport all criminals and we will see changes. Also not sure why the Attorney General is there. Can anyone name anything he has accomplished?
Unfortunately, my people have short memories and are too accepting of everything being told via the media and the Commissioners office, so here are some facts.
1.To this day, the officer who pulled a gun on his girlfriend has not been charged , or had his job taken away, or held accountable for a crime that would land anyone else in jail for a minimum of ten years.
Instead, he was Promoted to Sargent.
“yet you want to give my People 10′ or more years for having an unlicensed firearm.”
2. It’s Acceptable for Ja Officers every weekend at the mango tree bar, Helium bar ext, Making friends with Criminals after which driving drunk knowing that the traffic department is run by a Fello Jamaican and all except 3 or 4 Officers from other Caribbean Countries are Jamaicans also empowering them to continue this behaviour.
“yet daily ticketing my people in the name of the law.”
3. At the end of the day, all this will continue to happen as long as the politicians we put into Power sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing.
“Wake up, Cayman”
If you don’t see the Contributing Factor in all this is Strangers Controling you and your freedoms before long, there won’t be anything to fight for.
This type of thing usually flares up, when one or two rivals who don’t like each other manage to smuggle in firearms and ammunition. The problem is exacerbated with Covid when there are less tourists to sell drugs to… Less food in the water brings the sharks closer to shore. So now we have guns on the island, some gangster/dealers who are obviously whacked out on Coke (because they’re unloading the entire clip when they shoot, not just one or two caps). Just like stamping out Covid, we need to start breaking down some doors and perform searches and find these guys. Lower the boom and let people know who is in control. Have the police stop pulling over cars for speeding and start shaking down the bad guys (who everybody on this f***ing island knows). Ask the bartenders… Ask the restauranteurs.. it’s really not hard. The same names will keep coming up. Get some sealed quiet search warrants and start searching things. Houses, cars, boats. .. most drug dealers keep their stash on the boat. Bring in some UK cops for a one year contract to take people down and search, Increase the number of prosecutors and set up a special court to hear cases. The only thing that keeps came in going as law and order. When that goes, the people go and the entire house of cards here collapses
Cops should be able to manage the traffic issues and the gang issues at the same time. I would like to see more traffic police all through the day pulling over these speeders.
Speeding kills and so do guns. They both need to be dealt with in an aggressive manner.
Additionally, as I have mentioned on a previous story, traffic stops often net criminals from other crimes that were not solved. The criminals make a mistake and get pulled over, observant police officers notice something is amiss, and boom you catch a major criminal. Happens all the time.
All the time???? I don’t think so!
Wishful thinking, Anonymous 11:22 pm. Your information and advice has not had any bearing on gun crimes. If you want to stop people carrying guns, enact the death penalty for anyone carrying an illegal firearm. Cayman Islands laws favor the criminals, not the honest citizens!
All the Italians and English in Cayman are pissed drunk today and no shots fired.
Cayman has to deal with Its Caymanian violence
So drunk they found time to go online with their racial abuse against their own players Please give us a break nah Mann with your slurs ! Defeat is odious eh ? It’s so bad here why don’t you go home nah !
Ya, it’s not like you don’t racially abuse others. How many lighter skinned Caymanians abuse others that are darker toned…and call the Black and what not. Take your own advice and go home.
West Bay is Mac’s kingdom, perhaps he should have a word with his people, or even set a role model example….sadly he has failed to do so.
Oh no… he did set the example. We are just seeing the result. Time for his constituency to accept that this is what comes of electing someone that sets that example and of everyone looking the other way or just nodding. Reap as you sow.
If you have to wonder why Cayman is in such a mess take a good look at this picture and who sitting around that table. Not one person there that is relevant or who can related to this situation! Yes and the lunacy that we keep getting suck into again that we can somehow buy the right law enforcement tool to solve or crime problems. Good luck drone director of sales person. our intelligence effectiveness and efficiency has increased but or ability to action what we know has decreased Infact it’s depleted so badly it’s totally ineffective now! That unfortunately has come because of corrupt and incompetent and inept and weak leadership and leaders which has eroded our society rapidly now! This is from the very top of government & political structure right down to rank and file law enforcement personnel! Two many little kingdoms and fiefdoms and enclaves in our public and private sector. We have create and exclusive society for some and unfortunately a criminal society for others including or youth. Even institutions set up by wealthy to help are prejudice and run by self serving persons who look down on those they should be helping. What we should understand is this criminality unfortunately like the pandemic is spreading rapidly through out the society and soon will emerge in the places where the privileged believe they are and will be safe or protected from this crime onslaught. Unfortunately it might take such and event to get the relevant powers to act or take effective steps to thwart or solve this situation. Our Governor unfortunately is totally useless and so is our DG and AG who’s Draconian ideas will only exacerbate this situation even further and create more future dire situations. Our political leadership need to get their asses in gear and engage people and stop leaving it to bias police who will not act against their own kind thus enabling crime to continue to flourish and be profitable to criminals and their friends. Rest in peace Screechy you were far more effective in keeping our streets at peace than any law enforcement initiatives ever put in place in these Islands.
So let me get a straight your idea of figuring this out is place some gangsters in the round table? How about those gangsters go to their local communities and try to turn things around that way.
Our politicians over the year’s, under pressure from the merchant class and the corporate and financial elites, have failed to put in place the policies that would have been required to guard against the social decay that we are experiencing today. Also, the oversized influence of corporate lobby groups, in their thirst to secure unreasonable profits for their members, have caused decisions to be made that have not been beneficial to the wider society.
Increase cctv???? didn’t we pay over 1 million dollars to a certain security company for cctv? one would think with all the so called cameras it would have picked up something. another waste of the people’s monies
The police should be doing this…
1. Review of all intelligence to identify all with connections to gun crime.
2. Secure search warrants for all addresses linked to that intelligence.
3. Set up proactive firearm unit stops at key locations in a high visibility proactive initiative
4. Have all police vehicles and their drivers given intelligence on who is actively linked to firearms and their linked vehicles for fast response firearm stops with authority to carry sidearms to deal with the vehicle and its occupants.
5. Task sources to gain more intelligence and evidence
6. Set up a major incident room
7. Secure warrants on intelligence against drug dealers and step up drug enforcement
8.Dump the data from cell masts to identify what phones where in the vicinity of the shootings at the time of the incidents and cross match with the suspects
9. The usual scene enquiries around witnesses, cctv and house to house. Have a plan for digital evidence being fast tracked
10. Make early and proactive arrests
11. Assess risk to every suspect and grade accordingly.
12. Prioritise forensic, consider early arrests at spontaneous incidents and forensically examine the suspects for residue. Likewise forensically examine the victims for residue.
13. Seize and forensically examine all vehicles suspected of involvement.
14. Liaise internationally – and this should be happening EVERY WEEK – to share intelligence and information with Jamaica to identify who it is we have on island, what their history and risk is and what they are up to.
15. Consider human intelligence recruitment in Jamaica via government level cooperation.
I could go in and on and on. I can almost guarantee a lot of this will not be happening. Hence the UK will end up sending a team out to stem this. RCIPS are not equipped with the right people or skills to deal with serious and organised criminality.
XXXX After this settles down the Governor should be asking HMICFRS to come out here and review RCIP actions around gun crime, amongst other things…but my money is he won’t.
Here’s a link to HMICFRS. If you are reading this and can influence their involvement here in Cayman you should. For the safety of the public. https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/
Quote: “I urge the community to do their part to help remove these guns from our society, he said.” Well, O.K., but if you really want to stop creeps from having firearms, invoke the death penalty for having an illegal firearm in their possession.
Citizens who wish to have a permit to carry a firearm must be qualified and trained in the use of firearms! Problem solved!
Where in this photo are the two “representatives of civil society” mandated by the constitution to be members of the National Security Council?
As far as I can make out, the two governors who succeeded Taylor have failed to appoint anybody to those positions. There is no “civilian” representation on it at all, contrary to the constitution and therefore to law; and this recent meeting was not of the NSC, but merely of the governor and a bunch of politicians (many of whom have no right to attend NSC meetings anyway).
Why does this matter? Because the NSC was established by the constitution to address just this kind of crisis, and specifically to include two civilians who could provide ordinary citizens’ input. Who, and where, are they? I suspect the last thing the governor wants is minuted outside criticism of the RCIPS, which is what he’d get if he’d appointed independent-minded civilian members as the constitution requires him to do.
One more question. How many times has a properly constituted NSC met since the constitution was introduced?
We need to hire those highly trained early retired ( defund the police) POLICE OFFICERS in the USA.
The one that break their own laws? No thanks.
We are reaping the results of the last few decades of non-parenting! Most of these “gangstas” were dragged up with little/no positive father figures. These guys caused trouble in school and instead of their parents taking them in check, they bitched out the schools. These guys are uneducated and mostly unemployable. Wasted opportunities and wasted their youth.
We’re now onto second/third generation gang members.
Really can’t see anyone sticking their neck out to ID suspects if there’s no protection. Anyone offering solid evidence needs to be appropriately protected. There is still a lack of trust within our communities for the RCIPS so personally I wouldn’t even trust them to protect a a drugs evidence locker. Alternatively I hope RCIPS has some paid informants on speed dial that don’t have much to lose.
Firstly, the recent spate of events are a just terrible and my heart goes out to those families impacted.
There is definitely a disconnect between the rhetoric of CoP and the enforcement tactics of the boots on the ground.
Unfortunately, I think most people feel that the RCIPS are inept, I would even say ‘laughing stock’ – it’s only thanks to the largely compliant population, that our crime rates are low.
The Government might be ‘confident’ in the RCIPS, but that’s not so outside in the community – there is little confidence or trust in the RCIPS.
What the heck are “strict bail conditions?”
I have been saying this for years now that, if we are going to put a dent into firearms and ammunition coming into our boarders illegally, there needs to be a feasible path forward.
If cannabis is decriminalized, where Caymanians and local residents can possess, consume and cultivate cannabis on private premises, this will alleviate the need to bring in cannabis by boat illegally, which often brings guns, ammunition and hard drugs along with it (including illegal landing of persons, who may have COVID).
Also, if anyone properly understands the international law concerning where apprehensions can be made, it is quite clear that we only have authority to arrest (or pursue) drug-gun boats that are within 12 miles of our shores — i.e. it is illegal to pursue a boat, which is not within 12 miles.
This is a problem that can be fixed (at least in part) by decriminalisation of cannabis by adults (not children) in private, which is a fundamental human right supported by privacy rights (pursuant to section 9 of the Bill of Rights enshrined in our Constitution), which is the broadest provision in our Bill of Rights.
Whilst decriminalisation of cannabis would decrease a demand for cannabis to come in illegally (whether by boat or plane), because people would be able to supply themselves through cultivation on private premises, there would still be demand for hard drugs and guns/ammunition, which would have likely be significantly reduced (if decriminalisation cut demand through cultivation on private premises).
If that were to occur, the authorities could concentrate their focus on what is truly destroying our society, which is hard drugs and guns/ammunition (not cannabis). It is submitted, therefore, that there will be a direct correlation between decriminalisation of cannabis and saving peoples’ lives.
It’s important that the Cayman Islands get priorities in order. The current formula is not working.
God bless the Cayman Islands and, most of all, our precious people.
Dear Mr. Orrie,
I agree with your first and eighth paragraph.
There is a thing called “hot pursuit” that if the police start a chase in territorial waters they can keep on into international waters and make an arrest. If you would pass a “hovering vessels law” you could also arrest people lurking about outside the12 mile limit. If you had any actual naval vessels they can stop anyone anywhere, but your main problem is that the Coast Guard doesn’t really patrol your border.
It’s not just weed that comes on the boat.
A whole lotta coke and other recreational drugs are even more sought after.
…That is why I am imploring anyone who has information or who has seen anything to come forward to help the authorities address these gun crime issues.”
“The opposition stands in support of the measures being put forward by the NSC to decisively address these deeply disturbing gun crimes. I urge the community to do their part to help remove these guns from our society,” he said.
YOU DON’T HAVE AN F*ING GUN PROBLEM!
You have lawless fatherless thugs killing people problem!!!
Until you morons realize what the REAL problem is YOU WON’T EVER F*ING SOLVE IT!
You need to find and arrest the bad people (which the cops know who they are), not just trying to find the f*ing guns!!!
Is getting killed by a home made bomb or stabbed to death somehow any better than getting shot? Find the real problem and solve THAT instead of being a bunch of posers with your stupid platitudes talking points.
First there needs to be a serious penalty/sentence for anyibe being in a gang. There is ni lawful reason to be in a gang but to commit a crime. Start at 20yrs.
ALL Police need to be well equipped with the orgasmorator (YouTube it) State of the art in enforcement. This will allow police to stop criminals in their tracks by blowing their load and think twice about naughty acts. Investments in this is far superior to ALL those millions on building a cruise ship docking station.
Is called wisdom people!
What did I just read? Orgasmorator and blow their load?
Ummm, I don’t think I can search up an “Orgasmorator” at work…
You shouldn’t be reading this at work, either.
When a blind eye(s) are turned the other way to the little acts of crime, what do you expect. I have never been to any other country where they have selective times of the year to crack down on specific crime(s) and they notify the public by a News Paper Article when they will commence. Policing is a 24/7/365 job enforcing all laws. When service officers drive by public and private places where groups of idle people hang out daily what do think the are doing, definitely not up to anything positive for the community. These are small Islands that the money is big (that’s what they call it. Big Money) and there are those that will get it anyway they can even if that is by the use of weapons. One thought, just look at the employers and employees of where the vicious crimes take place. Very sad but true, lets come together and sort this place out, there is no better time than NOW.
These two latest killing happened in the Minister of Tourism constitincy. The Minister is quite. What is his plan to keep us safe?
Yes the minister is quite, quite what I don’t know, but he is also quiet on the subject.
We need ZERO tolerance for all crimes. Period!
Exactly. How can comments indicating they are focusing on the importation of firearms be acceptable now in the niddle of a turf war.
THE IMPORTATION OF FIREARMS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY 24/7/365.
Secondly, this statement from the Governor… “Our immediate focus remains on catching all perpetrators and those involved in these crimes. While we remain confident in the RCIPS, we also need the full cooperation of the community, to identify those involved and remove illegal firearms from our streets.”
Confident in RCIPS – It’s a matter of time before the UK Police are here because RCIPS couldn’t detect a kid stealing candy. More UK taxpayer money spent in one of the wealthiest places on earth.
Finally the comment from the Premier. It stinks that they are only now interested in this because “and they could be members of any of our families”, a single shooting on an island this size should be focused on even when it is bad on bad.
Hey Governor. Looks like you have finally found a use for the Cayman Regiment. Because you remember that national security and law and order are your responsibility, not developed to the local government, right?
#nit devolved
WE HAVE MACHINE GUNS IN CAYMAN! Did anyone notice the language spoken in some of the videos going around? Spanish!!! Hondurans perhaps? What do you expect when we import mostly from the those on the top of the list of crime ridden countries?🙄
With a police force made up of under performing Caymanian’s and poorly trained Jamaicans, what did you expect?
And don’t get me started on the jokers in the Firearms Unit.
It is so bad that a cop recently left RCIPS and joined doe and they are really bad.
Lord help us.
The Jamaican police officers cannot spell. It’s pitiful to see the grammatical errors in their written police reports.
It’s no wonder that we have not got a grip on crime, because they are tremendous idiots.
Also, why is it that, when drugs and guns (and ammunition) are recovered, they (at least some of them) find their way back on the street.
There is a person in Rock Hole, who is (allegedly) selling drugs for the RCIPS, that is cause for concern. There needs to be an internal investigation into the RCIPS themselves (especially the drugs and firearm squad).
I enjoy watching those heavily-armed cops swaggering into Hurleys or Fosters at lunchtime, checking out the talent and generally acting like rock stars.
Are they even ALLOWED to do that?!
@6:15 Hold the front page! Police officers buy lunch. Today two swaggering behemoths swanned into Hurleys at lunchtime and bought food. The audacity was clear for all to see as these two heavily armed men chose BBQ chicken and rice for lunch.
You muppet. Believe it or not police officers, eat, sleep, sh1t and fornicate just like ‘real’ people.
No sh1t, they do all that? You mean, they’re like regular people? Ummh, you’re missing the point Genius!
It seems like judgement comes easy to you. Have you ever strapped on a firearm? Have you ever had people’s lives in your hands? It’s a freaky thing. You have to operate as much on intuition as training.
I think you should cut them some slack. There are very few people who could hold their cool when faced with the knee-deep shyte officers face on a daily basis.
There’s a whole regiment of keyboard warriors, willing and able to make the ultimate sacrifice and lay down their opinion and click submit.
One of the main reasons why we came here was safety
Me too. However, I’ve not been shot, stabbed, or physically threatened since coming here over a decade ago. Then again, I don’t hang out at Bananas, Ever-Glo, Dump Road, Swamp, Rock Hole, Pirates Cove etc.
Or Vic’s. And if you’re smart, you’re home right after midnight.
Simply do not hang out at dubious locations. Just like every other town/city in every country.
Lol.
Grand Cayman was never “safe”. I dont know why people always sell that BS to anyone. If you ask me it was worst back in the days because there was murders that havent been solved due to lack of resources. Hundreds of people went missing and no one knows nothing. So yeah dont compare anything, there is just large spaces between times that incidents happen.
Yeah that’s what happens when you leave your shithole, you bring the stench with you.
I came here for the money.
With the million dollar CCTV cameras why are there a lot mor conviction and crimes solved? Do they even work? Why are we paying thousands each year for monitoring and no crimes are being deterred or solved. The money used to fund this should be directed to other more crime deterring policies.
The CCTV is a failure and lives in the 1990’S but then some palms were greased to buy it.
It needs to be scrapped and buy into a state of the art US/UK system that actually works.
Hahaah everyone on here always pipes up like they live in or know a real one in these streets – stop fronting and get back to work you scallywags!
The Governor and Deputy Governor needs to take these matters seriously.
If external help is required, request it – internal security is within the UK’s domain.
Bring in special trained officers to assist the RCIP. It was done before and can be done again. How many more mothers will loose sons through gun crimes. I am imploring the PACT GOVT to deal with this in an expeditious manner. I believe Cayman has the worst police service in the world. However this is the end results when you employ nannies, gardeners , gas attendants cleaners and lower echelons of society who cant even spell, record a proper statement , give proper and truthful evidence in court. Sad to say very unprofessional and there only to collect a salary. Gone are the days when police was police officers. and took there job seriously. Where are the beat /foot /beach patrol officers ? I guess it has become extinct.
For someone who denigrates the ‘lower echelons of society’ who can’t spell or record a proper statement…
RCIPS not RCIP
Lose, not loose
Gas attendants (comma) cleaners
Their, not ‘there’
For what it’s worth, I used to serve with RCIPS, but you go right ahead with your superiority complex. I could rip the entire piece apart, as the punctuation and grammar is pretty terrible throughout, but I’d rather not.
To address your convoluted point. Yes, it’s an option to seek assistance from outside, however, the problem here is societal. Detection and enforcement are a sticking plaster. This is a pattern of cyclical gun violence that has been here for years. Attitudes need to change, people need to talk, and young men need to stop falling for the ‘glamour’ of getting shot dead in Martin Drive/Dump Road/any other terrible area of Cayman.
I’m sorry you think the police here are the worst in the world. It’s an opinion, and it’s objectively untrue, though I’m sure you said it for dramatic effect. The police here are a reflection of the population in Cayman, nothing more, nothing less.
Lastly, I once worked with an officer who used to be an attendant at a gas station. That person was an excellent officer, but sadly they left Cayman.
Thank you for your service.
So we just throw up our hands and say there’s nothing to be done until the people decide to become law abiding? First thing to do is to stop hiring from other islands just because they speak some version of English and are readily available. The education standards are simply too low.
Negative. I worked with some great officers from overseas, as well as some good Caymanians, there’s just not enough of the good ones.
Plus, the state of caymanian society is in bits. It’s broken. Fix that first, but it ain’t easy.
I would think you’d agree that there are quite a number of incompetent police officers too? As I’ve certainly had the displeasure of having to deal with a few of them.
Not the PACT governments responsibility – Mother doesn’t trust with that, so it’s retained by the Governor, no matter how much he may try to lay it off. He needs to get on the phone and get UK police to send down a gangs specialists and some firearm officers for a wholesale crackdown. Used to be the gang bangers would just slot each other in very targeted hits – now it’s blazing away in public places with no regard to bystanders. Drive bys next.
As wisely mentioned by@7:40pm that these weapons are being smuggled in with drugs from Jamaica which most likely have originated from Haiti or from the Caribbean basin. Drones are the most effective way of combating smuggling and its now at urgent stages 😢 that we start utilising them to protect our borders. The ties are between drugs, prostitution, numbers and human smuggling are causing major problems to our security, stability, reputation and way of life. NSC and PACT start heavy arming our RCIPS and Border Agents ASAP, thoughts and prayers are with the victims families. Yet its time Vics, Bananas and many of the hole in the wall establishments to be permanently closed down, enough is enough.
If those places shut down, somewhere else will open up. The bars aren’t the issue.
Lmao so haiti makes guns now?
Drones wow! I guess just like the cameras they were going to our be our saviors too oh please hush with yah bullshit every time we have criminal upheaval it some magic tool appears to be a fix the situation. Sounds like you running some enrichment program for yourself there buddie!
Every time there is criminal upheaval it is a magic tool approach because there is a serious problem with the local populace not coming forward and testifying. UK policing approach, appropriate for a UKBOT with similar laws, is based on community policing – which means a partnership with the community that actively helps to police the island through intelligence and being willing to stand for what is right. Fact is that because the community cannot be depended on to step up and testify and help reduce these issues, other solutions are often sought and used where possible.
Dont leave out alcohol as it plays a big part in all this
This has to be nipped in the bud now!
This island is small and the police know who the gangs are, also, who the drug dealers are.
They just have to make some arrests.
Now that’s really funny!
Anonymous 10:27 pm: Make some arrests? Are you serious?
How about closing Vics bar forever
Is it the bar’s fault that people have illegal guns?Try to focus on the real challenge.
Please give us a list to choose from.
Then they will shoot at the office bar, or zodiac, or bananas, or cotton club, or blue marlin, or Wellys… by closing down a certain establishment will not solve these shootings.
Everyone has their opinion on what to do, which is fine, but only a few really know what it’s all a bout.
The police, the primer and governor is so lost on these street issues, someone from the street with the knowledge will be needed to guide them in order to solve or stop these shootings
Putting establishments at the heart of the responsibility for their clientele is absolutely the right thing to do. The shootings, murders and stabbings are happening around these premises where the proprietor is fueling his clientele with alcohol and the use of illicit substances are also likely being consumed. They have a right to search clientele on entry, to bar people and to restrict volumes of alcohol sold. They aren’t doing it effectively. The authorities should judge the responsibility on the establishment by the wall of silence when staff and management will know who was present/responsible. Running a LICENSED premises is a responsible job and where individuals cannot/ will not do their job properly they should absolutely be closed.
How about avoiding Vic’s bar if you’re not a criminal?
How about requiring all work permit holders to pass an English test? Oh, wait…
Yeah because being able to speak English is a sure sign you are not a gang banger SMH
I don’t know if that makes it better or worse. At least you know where it is happening.
You really want this travelling circus to come to a road near you?
Just as effective as banning guns.
Who is banning guns?
Why……. It’s the government banning guns! They do not want anyone able to protect themselves.
Guns have never been banned in the Caymans. No one seems to know how it’s done!
I’m in favor of keeping all the trouble spots open, AS LONG as the police are willing to monitor them. I mean, why have them chasing all over the island when we know where the nexus of trouble is?
Guns are here and have been here for quite some time. They get smuggled in by boats from you know where. They need to have drones patrolling the coastline 24/7 looking for these vessels.
Listen… these guns are not smuggled in by no ganja boat coming from Jamaica. These guns are coming from directly from America….
Quite so, 11:44. Remember a few years back the elaborate scheme to bring guns in in the backs of fridges? It was, btw, a Caymanian operation including a former senior policeman’s son. Some did jail time in the US.
Listen. You’re wrong.
Does it really matter?
By way of Jamaica and Central America through the chain of manufacturing to distributors. I mean, who cares where they were made.
Please tell us from where and yes how much more shit are we going to buy for the RCIPs soon you will be asking for a submarine to patrol our waters we do not need Anymore shit flying up and down this place Drones wow ! Sounds like Someone has been feeding you a whole pile of their pink Koolaid too. Please deport criminals back to their home countries and stop letting them stay here bout right to family life ! Stop adding people who simply don’t know shit about what is going on our streets ! What does Charles Clifford know about crime and the guns being brought into cayman ? Zilch!
If you think the shooters are all expats you have been guzzling the Koolaid too. Just look at the crime reports for previous shootings- some expats sure, but a fair number of Caymanians too. You can deport them – look at the arguments over even having Ramoon, Douglas and Wright serve their sentences in the UK.
Drones are actually a very cost effective and subtle asset to employ.
We’re not talking about $100 drone kits sold from toy shops.
Quieter, cheaper and much longer time in the air than a helicopter. The only issue is the surveillance bit, with accusations of big brother.
What do YOU know about gun importation? Share your thorough knowledge with RCIPS.
Atlantis for sale. Why not?
Most relevant solution so far in these comments. Either what you suggested or sequester USA military satellite monitoring of our coastal waters. Any unidentifiable vessel attempts to enter, leave our borders, evade or run from our Coast Guard light it up.
The UK model of policing is intelligence led.
Does RCIPS actually have any intelligence unit if so they are failing miserably.
They do.
It is untouchable
A mafia in its self.
And it doesn’t share intelligence with the actual cops working…why…I can only guess because they can’t be trusted to know it. That is an utter disgrace and indicates the level of honesty and integrity in the service.
09@7:19pm – You’d be surprised what they’re able to gather but….
Will answer for you
A BIG FAT ZERO
Lol…. The UK model of policing in the the Cayman Islands is not working and will never work. We live in the Caribbean with American influences mix with Caribbean influences. Our location on the map gives us quick links to Jamaica, USA and Central America in a one hour flight radius. Uk are not dealing with that or sea smuggling of people and drugs.. this is why UK policing methods will not work in the Cayman Islands.
Caribbean people will not work with the police or help them. You have to put your own people in place in these positions so the community will feel comfortable enough to work with them. The community in the cayman don’t not trust UK police and will not work with them.
The UK Police cover 65 million people, have people smuggling from across the Asian and African continents, suffer international level of organised criminality, have detectives that are ACTUALLY TRAINED AND CAPABLE, and you think the model is different???? Look up ‘policing by consent’ and see if it applies to the US or Jamaica or anywhere else…stick to your lane which clearly isn’t policing.
But they aren’t doing so well here.
Intelligence??? Surely you jest.
only from 9-5
If Lieutenant Colombo was still alive , I would suggest to hir him… he solved all his murder cases.
Arrests are noting without charges.
Charges are nothing without evidence.
Charges are unlikely without prosecutors will to bring them and nothing unless prosecutors are competent – bring in the Crown Prosecution Service Inspectorate from the UK and sort out our prosecution service and amend our criminal laws so that they are deterrents or otherwise all the policing in the world will not solve this problem.
Evidence is nothing without proper presentation.
Arrests are a quick way to recover evidence from the person, gunshot residue, their vehicle and home. They also assisit in stemming activity by altering a suspect’s perception of risk. But you’re right, ultimately we need charges and convictions something I will be amazed to see without UK direct help. The local detectives just aren’t good enough. They get no training and have no experience. You can count years in the job but when they’re filled with no activity you don’t learn. Policing is inherently an experiential job.