Anti same-sex marriage rally fuels homophobia
Anti-gay sign at rally, 13 April 2019
(CNS): A rally organised by local churches on Saturday against the legalisation of same-sex marriage attracted over a thousand people, who gathered in Heroes Square, George Town. Although the event slogan was “We love all people, but we say no to same sex”, there were numerous homophobic signs on display and many people condemned the LGBTI community. The rally came at the end of a polarizing two-week period, after Chief Justice Anthony Smellie legalised same-sex marriage following a successful legal petition by Chantelle Day and Vickie Bodden, who had been refused a marriage licence because of their sexual orientation.
On 29 March the chief justice delivered his decision in the case after finding that Day and Bodden had been discriminated against by the government and that several of their rights, as set out in the Cayman Islands Constitution, were being violated.
Just five days later the government announced it would appeal and applied to the courts for a stay to reverse the chief justice’s decision to amend the Marriage Law to make it constitutional. Within a matter of days government was able to secure a hearing with the Cayman Islands Court of Appeal, which happened to be sitting for its spring session.
Rally against same-sex marriage
The appeal court opted to grant the stay on 10 April because it said government had not made any arrangements for the legal implications of the case on other laws, and until the appeal was settled there would be the risk of legal anomalies and uncertainty that had not yet been addressed.
During the last ten days pastors, politicians and some members of the public have pushed the boundaries on hate-speech aimed not just at the issue of same-sex marriage but also the growing visibility of the LGBTI community, using traditional Christian values as the platform.
A narrative that being gay is a lifestyle choice that is being imposed on Cayman by outside forces and hidden agendas has led to a significant amount of unpleasant rhetoric in the parliament, on the streets, from the church pulpit and across social media.
At the rally on Saturday these themes were promoted again, alongside vitriolic condemnation of gay people. The speakers included Pastor Alson Ebanks from the Cayman Minister’s Association, which has been at the forefront of the campaign against marriage equality. He said that Christians were not being hateful, they just did not agree with same sex-marriage.
He said Cayman is a Christian country, “not because everyone …is a Christian but because we are a country that has been founded on biblical principles”.
Some of the signs were aimed at the LGBTI community
However, there were numerous signs being held by attendees at the rally that were not just promoting Christian values but condemning gay people, with messages such as “Cayman Islands is not Gayman Islands” and “Same sex laws will mean sin taught in schools”, and others suggesting homosexuality is a choice because there is no “gay gene”.
Last week a protester outside the Legislative Assembly quoted a passage from the Bible that called for the death of homosexuals and legislators had engaged in two days of debate condemning the idea of gay marriage. Even when the debate was over, the subject dominated the agenda and even led to jokes at the expense of the LGBTI community.
House Speaker McKeeva Bush, Education Minister Juliana O’Connor-Connolly, Health Minister Dwayne Seymour, as well as opposition MLAs Anthony Eden, Alva Suckoo and Chris Saunders all had front-row seats for the rally on Saturday, as local politicians continue to battle with each other to be the loudest voices against equality.
The education minister had even called for the public to disrupt the marriage of Day and Bodden, which had been planned for 10 April before the appeal court granted a stay that prevented the ceremony from going ahead, even though the couple had legally obtained a licence.
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@ 9:15, the last zion (a claimed atheist)
You should be corrected: The Bible does not endorse chattel slavery, the same kind of slavery that the forefathers of AfroAmerican and Caribbean black people experienced. During the time of the Exodus, the Jews themselves were victims of this chattel like slavery under the hands of the Egyptians. Through Moses, Gd delivered them from their terrible “house of bondage” as mentioned in the book of Exodus. Gd established a moral standard against this theft and forced servitude ~ “Whoever steals a man, whether he sells him or is found in possession of him, shall be put to death!” (see Exodus 21:16). Also in the days of Jeremiah, He declares ~ “Woe to him who builds his house by unrighteousness, and his upper rooms by injustice; who makes his neighbor serve him for nothing, and does not give him his wages” (Jeremiah 22:13).
Please do your research …
Believing this crap that Gd would approved a TransAtlantic type slavery is what irreligious and atheist folk would have you believe! How could the Most High contradict Himself and endorse this form of bondage that His chosen people went through???
I know the Bible very well, and by rule, the word “slavery” in the Hebrew Bible really means “bondservant.” And a bondservant was a person who voluntarily worked under a Jewish family without pay. He or she was consider a member of the household and part of the family. In biblical times there was no such thing as banks, and part of an economic way of sustaining yourself and your family was to engage in this act of servitude. The King James Version uses the word “slavery.”
And atheists spin their propaganda bashing scriptures they have no understanding of. May I enlighten you, it was Christian churches that spearheaded the abolition of slavery. Did you saw atheists come together and at least donate for a hospital?
As for morality, it is detected in all human beings. It transcends all cultures. You can teach a child its right to kill, but he will not go on killing. Should this child grow up, there is a conscience that will eventually haunt a person for life, repressing a law to his own hurt. Don’t be fooled. We don’t have a United Nation for no reason. We don’t have laws in Cayman’s society based off a notion that every man is a law to himself. Everyone is responsible for upholding absolute morals and natural human rights.
And faith in Gd makes that accountability certain. No Gd then means no ABSOLUTE morals. Your standard has no everlasting foundation because Gd is everlasting. You believe in morals one day, but who is to say you don’t change your mind the next day and the next. Your morality is fluid and subject to change. You have nothing in you to die for. That is why atheists can’t stay united on moral objectives, because every man sees what is right in his own eyes. And if they make the state laws like its Gd’s laws, even the state legislature is subject to change. There needs to be a permanent point of reference, and that point is Gd!
Gd is Real. Don’t be a fool. And just like there are universal physical laws, there are universal moral laws that Gd has us here to follow. If you do not follow them, the consequences are there. Aside from religious beliefs and its varieties you mention, including the many names for Gd, christian or no christian, I think it is clearly manifested in nature that a man’s sexual organ was made for a woman’s sexual organ. Even evolutionary offspring needs male/female to continue life. And moreover, there is no gay gene, no science validating this. Hence, the placard reads, “what rights are you talking about?” What natural rights? All we know is Natural Law, and we can see clearly that a love without boundaries is not realistic & complete. Love can not win if its against nature.
Don’t be a fool and get distracted from the varieties of religious beliefs. They are beliefs, yes, but universal principles don’t change. There is a Gd and Gd demands obedience to the moral laws established. We are here with free-will to choose who to obey – ourselves or the Almighty ☝🏽 And then we will all die. And unlike what many atheists would coldly purport, life has meaning and purpose beyond the grave.
Repent and be on the right side,
Unison
The bible does not endorse Chattel Slavery…. really
Leiviticus 25: 44-46
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
So what do we have here?
You can buy slaves – Like the Trans Atlantic Slaves were bought in Africa.
You can behqueath slaves – again very similar to the transatlantic slave trade.
Slaves are property – Do i need to go on?
Seems like Chattel Slavery to me.
Equally Exodus 21: 7-11 states:
If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Again this seems to me to Chattel slavery.
I think you fail to distinguish the difference between Jewish Slaves, which could be regarded as indentured servitude which lasted 7 years and those who were not Jewish and were inherited property.
I am willing however to accept that there are passages in the bible which can be used to justify the abolition of slavery. However it is not clear cut and it would appear to me that if the Bible was a moral book, then the ban on slavery would have been made clear in the 10 Commandments…. after all i think we can all agree it is a horrific act.
William Wilberforce, one of the driving people behind the abolition of slavery was a Christian and his faith undoubtedly drove him to seek the abolition of slavery. Equally, there are now atheists you are leading the charge in human rights all around the world and donating to charity. Bill Gates for one.
May in also enlighten you as to the fact that it was the bible which was used to justify slavery and also up until 1967 miscegenation in Virginia. You just have to look at the people protesting outside the Courts… good Christians the lot of them and many describing mixed race marriages as the work of the anti Christ.
I am happy to live my life by the rules of man, not by the rules of some mythical being. I can show you a homosexual, you can’t show me god (don’t say sunrise or love, that is not acceptable position to take).
Does it have to be a gay gene for you to accept it? What if there isn’t a hetrosexual gene? What does that mean to your natural rights… We know that same sex relationships are frequent in different spieces of animals and that around 10% of domestic Ewes do not mate with females only other Ewes… maybe that means that homosexuality is natural….
the fact is you are an atheist as well. You don’t believe in 99% of God, i just believe if one more than you.
Why does god demand obedience? Why does an omnipotent being require the praise of his creation? It’s pathetic.
#Amen
You stated, “You are willing to accept that there are passages in the bible which can be used to justify the abolition of slavery.” Fair enough. This is a topic that I know will be exhausted by explaining texts in their original Hebrew language.
All to say, despite the varying beliefs we hold, I believe in a Gd. Because Gd adds to the value of human existence. Without that intrinsic worth, we fall into an atheistic notion of love:
A love on the same level of animals. That is why many behind the lgbt movement could care less about an unborn child or a child placed by the state in a same-sex home. They have a selfish oriented view of human rights.
That is the stark difference between us.
Peace,
Unison
Unison don’t try making sense with Zion. For a claimed atheist he knows more about the Bible than you. It appears that he continually reads his Bible so we know he is still not entirely lost..
Oh pipe down
What are you doing, writing a book?. My God by the time I finish reading your comment I was so tired that I couldn’t go on to read the other ones….
Right… But you can read every other crap for hours. Ignorance rejects knowledge.
And in their finite wisdom they have chosen to hate. I hope they are ready to be hated. I already hate them. For those many who chose to live and let live may you live in peace and love.
You my friend are a Christianphobe. Please don’t let your hate turn into violence. You seem to be teetering in the brink. You really need help.
Christians cherry picking Biblical laws that don’t matter to them personally. Fixating on homosexuality so they feel like they are good Christians but, behind the self righteousness hides an insuperable degree of bigotry and ignorance.
There is no evidence for this God they claim exists yet thousands of Christians are trying to force others to abide by some old book wirtten by savages. Faith doesn’t mean anything in the court of law and it doesn’t mean anything outside it too. All faith means is you have the extraordinary ability to blindingly believe and agree with extraordinary claims without any substantial evidence. That isn’t something you should be proud of.
Ghandi once spoke about the saying Love the sinner, hate the sin: “Hate the sin and not the sinner is a precept which, though easy enough to understand, is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred spreads in the world.”
By the comments here I see that people supporting gays are not nice people. They even bash G-d! And they have so much hate in their hearts, and wish misfortune for my home. We have always welcome them and lived in peace. But reading these comments Im starting to think they are truly demon possess. We have laws, culture, a way of life in Cayman, and they by nondemocratic means want to transform us like them, and attack our churches and families. I can not think of anything so satanic all in the name of rights.
1) “They even bash God”. It is very difficult to bash a made up being…. criticize his followers that is easy… bash the tooth fairy… that’s hard.
2) “They have some much hate in their hearts”. I often find that those people who want a fair society are hateful people *slaps head*.
3) I’m staring to think they are truly demon possess”. All those people who want gay marriage are possessed by the same demon or different ones? how does that work? Maybe we are possessed by angels????
4) “we have laws, culture, a way of life in Cayman”. yes you do, and your Bill of Rights forbids discrimination.
5) “They by non democratic means want to transform us like them”. You had a referendum on your Constitution.. It was democratically agreed. Stop moaning if it has been used to stop you discriminating against homosexuals.
6) “attack our churches and families”. Justifiable criticism is hardly an attack… now calling for Gays to be put to death.. that is an attack. Remind me which side of the fence are you on again?
7) “i can not think of anything so satanic all in the name of rights” How about the bible, not criticizing slavery.. how about all the people in the world being wiped out by a flood because they stopped listing to god, including the babies and children. How about Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed and all their inhabitants killed (again babies and children) because of their morals… come on… and you think equality is satanic…
Sounds like you have read the Bible cover to cover..Good start..you must have found it very interesting to get all of the straight from the Old Testament to Revelations in the new Testament..
For someone that doesn’t believe in god you have sure taken a lot of time to study Him.
Stop the hate!
5.53 are you referring to me?
If the cap fits, wear it!
It looks like he was raised up in a Catholic home. Alot of bible and strick rules. This happens everytime when you don’t raise them right. You have good religious people, but you have some that are extremist, and produce children that hate the notion of Gd altogether. Looks like also he was not taught the bible well…
Oh well, he gets a D+ for trying 🤨
Please enlighten me… Where is that i am wrong…
Can I suggest you google if being gay is a choice, main stream religion has accepted that you are born that way (in the image of Christ) and that being gay isn’t a choice, nor something to be looked down upon, because doing so would be an afront to God. I don’t know why it’s not preached in Cayman, maybe ask your pastor? Also marriage was around long before religion, so not sure why modern religion is trying to ‘claim it’? I didn’t choose who I fell in love with, did you? Why would it be different to anyone else? Mainstream religion has changed from thinking it’s a choice to being something that you are born that way, by way of science, however the next ‘attack’ is by condemning the lifestyle of gays, meaning they can be accepted by God if they were celibate, however that applies to everyone, which is a problem, sex is defined as a natural act for a purpose, so any sex outside marriage, or without ‘purpose’ is a sin, and exactly the same sin as ‘gay sex’. Funnily enough people don’t rally against sex outside of marriage, nor without ‘purpose’ with the same vigor.
Everyone is asking for proof 🙂 Your comment is your mere opinion. You can’t even show us the facts. At least do that.
Give us something to see that your “right” isn’t a fake one.
All you have to do is educate yourself a bit and be open to learn . A lot of knowledge is out there just search. The easiest way, however, is to hear what gay people say. Hear and listen.
And Teacha gets a D- for spelling and grammar… ‘Alot’ / ‘strick’ (strict ! ) …
Sounds like you are espousing the hate she is talking about Zion, and being disrespectful to her beliefs to boot…
Stupid beliefs are not worthy of respect. Christians are going to tell me that my belief is irrational and therefore not worthy of respect and that i am going to hell. Well guess what, they are going to get it straight back at them.
so Zion in your estimation, Hate is Hate. You get what you give..
I thought you marched under the banner, Love is Love….You can’t have it both ways..
Hey, what was ol’ Tony’s words again describing gay people before all this even happened?
Liars for the Lord out in force today.
I actually just feel bad for you for being so ignorant. By the way, you keep referring to “They” as if the only gays and lesbians here are outsiders, the beautiful, kind and intellifent couple that are fighting to change this and get equal rights, the ones you see all over the news. SHE IS CAYMANIAN and an incredible one I’m proud to call my friend.
Easy to say “us and them” when it is just a few individuals. That is them individually just as everyone else is just themselves. Both sides and the middle. A few persons are on the “I am right and you must agree with me” side. A few are on the “you are wrong and you must believe me” side. Most people are in the live and let live middle side. We live in a democracy right? What that means is we decide what is best for ALL of us,make laws, and then act and live accordingly.
Being gigantically self-righteous seems to be the common thread among all you pisters.
dam those pisters…
So is bringing back slavery too much to ask? I mean if Cayman islands can do what ever it wants. I would like a couple slaves. Too much?
maybe just ask the folk earning the lowest wage in Cayman for their thoughts on slavery…
Wait. When I first started working I got minimum wage. I wanted more so I got more skills, better work ethic, and got more money. Why can’t you?
How many of those claiming that homosexuality is forbidden by the Bible have in the past broken their sacred vows to God and gotten divorced? I’d have thought that the latter is a much worse sin than the former. And yet divorce, and of course adultery, also frowned on by the Good Book, are rampant in Cayman – and I don’t mean among just non Caymanians.
It makes one wonder whether there isn’t some serious hypocrisy going on here.
So then, let’s break all the laws! Heck! Let’s get rid of the laws! Would that be better? Don’t see the adulterer trying to get adultery legalized, but homosexuality is certainly putting up a fight. And not to have sex with the opposite sex but to go digging into a living, human cesspool. Adultery is hardly a justification for homosexuality.
CNS: Adultery is legal, nitwit.
Isn’t gluttony also a sin.
They are obviously not following the bible and not able to comprehend the need to follow human rights. This is Cayman culture that they are following. Half bible and half pirate code. If this is what you were brought up with then it is what you believe in. Old style, third world just like slavery and all the rest. Some cultures are not ready to move on into the future but must keep themselves living in the past where they belong. The world at large will continue to pass them by. Soon enough they will be irrelevant. Give it time.
Yes, it is. However, has a law been put in place for people to be legally gluttonous?
It’s already a freedom enjoyed by the front row at the rally.
Sadly, the homophobia is being fueled by some who are caught in group think madness (you have a different opinion but feel pressured to share the group’s opinion so your constituents do not turn on you). And that is sad. Sad because democracy is the tyranny of the majority but. . . do we know for sure that these people are the majority? Most of us oppose the word “marriage” for its religious implications but, do we feel less strongly about “Civil Union”?
Can I finally put this label of Homophobia to rest. I don’t like cheese on my hamburger, I am NOT cheesephobic person!!! I’m NOT afraid of cheese, I just don’t like nor agree with eating cheese on my hamburger.
You see my label making friend, I am not afraid of the homo community as YOUR word suggests. I will start naming you NON-Homophobic! Does that describe you?
Are you afraid of heterosexual people? I doubt it. If you want to say I am one of those people who are against homosexual marriage, then you are right, it’s my right to be for, or against it, in a free society. However, to call me HomoPhobic is attacking me for my views.
I accept that some are pro-Homosexual, it’s your right. However to try and force your views on me by calling me made up names like Homophobic is childish and gets you nothing in return in the sphere of influence with those who have opposing views.
Homosexual behavior is your choice, but don’t force your choice on me by trying to make me think it’s normal or you cannot help your choice. It’s a choice, nothing more or less. I think it’s a poor choice, but I am not AFRAID of homo’s, I just disagree with their decision, especially to ordain the union in marriage, an institution that originated with God. And God most certainly is clear that He is against homosexuality. He loves the sinner and hates the sin. Simple as that. To force a country to accept same sex marriage is forcing your values on a society that in most countries is 98 percent heterosexual. Your 2 percent group is loud, that’s for sure, but your still only 2 percent of society. So please quit labeling people like me Homophobic as we are not afraid of Homosexual people, we just disagree with their lifestyle. Simple as that.
CNS: Just on a point of word definition: “-phobia” often means an irrational fear of something, for example, “arachnophobia” is an irrational fear of spiders. “Homophobia” can mean an irrational fear of gay people. However, it can also mean a hatred or mistrust of, or discomfort with gay people. Generally speaking, when people use the word, they mean one of (or a blend of) these meanings.
1) homosexual behavior is not a choice.. People don’t choose to be gay… that shows you are homophobic.
2) I’m not afraid of homos… nice an insult… chalk up another example of your homophobia.
Marriage is not an institution provided by god.. prove it… Prove it to me. Disprove that marriage as an institution did not exist outside of Israel or the Jews. Prove to me that the Chinese, Romans, Greeks did not have marriage.
God can’t be against homosexuality because he does not exist and even if he did exist if he was so against it he wouldn’t create homosexuals in the first place.
Not a choice ehhh?
I would like to know why you think being gay has nothing to do with choice.
Could you please provide sources too?
There is a controversial study https://science.sciencemag.org/content/261/5119/321.abstract.
I’m not sure if it is has been disregarded (i think it might have). Attraction is not a choice… I didn’t choose to fall in love with my wife… It happens… It is completely natural.
There is nothing to show that homosexuality is a “choice”
And that’s it?! One controversial study that shows no facts …. and yet you are hell bent on spewing the “born this way can’t help it” lie. All lies and hate … we can read them in your comments! It is shameful that you pick straws and have no scientific basis for your claims. Then want to enforce “rights” that will override other people’s rights.
Shame on you!
Being attracted to someone does not trigger action. You still have to choose to engage in homosexual actions!
You are a fool!
How is it going to override your rights exactly? Please make and effort to explain.
Homosexuality is a choice for some of you.
Only on Tuesdays am I gay.
I am at a loss as to why you felt that my comment (submitted in response to the article, not anyone in particular) was an attack on your views. Strange.
I won’t make you eat cheese on your hamburger if you just let me eat cheese on mine. Simple as that.
They must mean the mythical recognition by CMA of LGBTQ as equal human beings, even if that is already the law.
So-called “Christian” slaveholders emphatically used select Dark Biblical verse to Justify Slavery and advocate for the retention of their commercial and God-given “rights” as slaveholders. They lost.
So-called “Christian” Men used select Dark Biblical verse to oppose Women’s Suffrage, and that all women must submit and subordinate themselves to the dominance of men. They lost.
So-called “Christians” rallied in support of the retention of Capital Punishment, with McKeeva Bush leading the Death Penalty charge for the Caribbean OTs almost 20 years ago (along with proud allies, Saudi Arabia, China, and Libya!). They lost too.
None of the above is what Jesus Christ actually Commanded. That’s a stone cold fact. Take it or leave it, you’re either on the right side, or wrong side of history. Learn and adapt, or go to jail.
The Bible says an eye for an eye. If you kills someone and its not an accident then that person should be put to death for it, that what the Bible says
Serious Question: Have any of our so-called Christians actually read all the way to the New Testament, to the parts where Jesus shows up, offers parables, and updates the mental firmware to actual “Christianity”? I genuinely wonder.
For a island who so heavily relies on tourism, they are showing a lot of hate publicly. No fear of backlash ?
Wy do you think we have been so successful..I tis crap like this that draws negative attention to us..you are causing this, not us?.
Ignorance does not have to make sense.
Ignorance has no fear.
“we want our Islands back cried the masses”. The Islands were founded on Christian principles…
Rubbish, absolute hogwash.
You know why, this is homophobia… because of the amount of “christian laws” which are broken here every day and the Ministers and Pastor’s do not complain. There is no marches… a best there is a murmur of disapproval. So where is this hatred coming from… look no closer to Jamaica and the Bible thumpers from America…
It is an understatement to say that Jamaican society is virulently anti homosexual…. so much so that homosexuals form Jamaican can claim and get granted asylum in the UK. It is not a society to follow…..
The bible thumpers from America (massive generalization coming up)… they are conmen… “seed” preachers… all out to get money from the masses. They generally support the Republican party… WWJD…. would he support Trump… would he support gun reform… everyone knows Jesus loved a bit of rampant capitalism…. money lending… usury. They are not people to follow… But the sheeples… don’t think for themselves.. they follow the preachers and their deep in grained bigotry.
The hypocrisy of some people is incredible and it appears to be more in the Christian community than anywhere else. Least the extreme Muslims come out and show their hatred, least they are honest. All those people quoting the bible, you are hypocrites… Just say it… “you don’t like gay people”, you believe they are a perversion. Honesty is the best policy. This is not about Christian freedoms this is about one part of society holding something over another part of society.. You want your hatred legalized… so that you can you justify it… because if you can’t justify it… it’s common garden hatred… the worst type and it diminishes you as a person
So some laws that the Christians should be looking at changing, if they are not hypocrites…
i. Sunday opening. The Bible is quite clear… you work on a Sunday you get killed.. This should be at the top of the bible thumpers list of complaints… why is it not? oh yeah that’s right hypocrisy.
ii. Divorce.. You are all bent out of shape about marriage… there are divorces everyday in the Cayman Islands…. You should be protesting outside the Grand Court every day… You don’t? Why not? Oh yeah Hypocrisy.
iii. If you are a man and your brother dies, you have to marry his wife…. Oh that doesn’t happen does it? Christian marriage…. give me a break.. You hypocrite individuals.
iv. Slavery. I want to sell my sister into Slavery… It says so in the bible…. It therefore must be right. Oh but we don’t like slavery in the Cayman Islands. Back in the day when the British were coming to enforce the abolition of slavery, do you think people were saying… “oh but the bible says its ok”. They probably were, they were wrong then, you are wrong now.
v. Growing different crops side by side…. That’s illegal in the bible. Is anyone checked the farms in the Cayman Islands. You Christians better.. because otherwise you are hypocrites.
vi. Clothes with mixed fabrics… again illegal in the bible… I want a Christian outside every shop in the Cayman Islands complaining about the clothes they sell… otherwise all those people who marched on Saturday are hypocrites.
vii. Shell Fish…. abomination. All those marchers on Saturday, stake out the beaches during lobster season, you cannot eat shellfish… you need to save all those people… oh you don’t do that do you? Why is that? BECAUSE YOU ARE HYPOCRITES.
Lastly, but not least.. Batabano and Priates week. Well i’m afraid the number of biblical laws that Batbano breaches are so numerous i don’t know where to start… how about women having to dress modestly… Where are all you bible thumpers then? You are hypocrites if you don’t complain about ever single breach of god’s law. Where are the mass protests….
Pirates week….. So does anyone know much about pirates, other than there is no evidence they came to Cayman? What were they?
i. lots of them were homosexual.
ii. they were thieves.. Lets be honest, they murdered and plundered, sometimes they did it to the Spanish and the Portuguese (who had been murdering and plundering themselves) but they were not nice people. They also raped and massacred… They were not followers of God’s law…
To “celebrate” pirates should be seen as being completely out of step of the Christian morals of the Cayman Islands…. But guess what…. ALL TOGETHER NOW… YOU DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Why you ask…. because you are hypocrites.
Many of the laws i have mentioned above come out of Leviticus… which was written by…. Well lots of Christians believe Moses wrote it. The problem with that is…. Moses is a myth. He is the King Arthur of the Jewish World.. he didn’t exist. There is no evidence to support the exodus, the 40 years in the desert… It’s all made up. Leviticus was written as laws for the priests… not the general public. You pick and choose what laws to follow and what to ignore… that’s why the modern world ignores you. Because the one thing worse than a sinner is a hypocrite.
Here endth the rant.
Well thats 5 mins of my life I wont get back… SMH
Please keep ranting 9:22 refreshing to hear common sense and facts to back !!!! What a wonderful place Cayman would be with people like you in Gov. Would never work though, you are too enlightened.
Thank you. Awesome comment. You got it right. Look at those thumbs down. Do they even sleep , eat etc? Must be exhausting to put all these thumbs down all day long
it if amazing how many thumbs down you can get quickly. You have got 4 in minutes.
You sure know a lot about the Bible ..Are you sure you are not a closeted Christian?
LOL, sadly many Sunday wasted going to church and a religious school upbringing.
Plus you might get the idea that i am not a fan of hypocrisy.. If you are going to criticize something, you should at least learn about it.
now economics… haven’t got a scooby.. would never moan about that.
so closeted Christian? Just confirming..
No confirmed atheist.
Can you prove God is not real?
Here Here! And where will the Christian Hippocrites be picketing on Caymas, when a thousand drunk folk will be singing and dancing through the streets of Cayman in their (pleasantly) skimpy underpants and feathers in May… sigh?
Take a chill pill Zion!
Maybe because hetrophobia isn’t yet a thing. Perhaps it should be though.
Heterosexual rights are not being impinged upon whatsoever by the recognition of other people’s existing rights: ie. to live their lives in peace and found their own family units. Rights are not pie.
FFS, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is unlawful whether it is due to the fact that the person is homosexual or heterosexual.
Where do these comments come from?
here is an example….
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-white-heterosexual-male-discrimination-job-cheshire-matthew-furlong-a8793331.html
Why is that all the anti gay marriage views are so easy to pick apart?
I don’t see how a peaceful gathering can be reported as a bad thing and the gay March is made to look like the right thing. Both groups have views and opinions and both deserve the right to voice them. I also don’t see how and of the signs mentioned in the article are homophobic, they simply state what the people believe.
ho·mo·pho·bic
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adjective
having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people
For pushing your sexual behavior on us, I am a proud bigot and homophobic Caymanian. So snarl all your insults. I am not hating no person by hating what they do! It is people like you who are coming here and trying to push a lifestyle on us against our votes!
Don’t hate the playa’, hate the game.
11:36 there is a saying. “Don’t ever argue with a fool they will beat you every time with experience”. You sound like you have a lot of experience.
What they do in the privacy of their homes and family lives is none of your business! You need not agree or disagree with their behavior or otherwise. It simply isn’t your business.
This lifestyle as you said has always been here.
I am a heterosexual Caymanian male who posted the dictionary definition of homophobic and your response is to proudly claim you are a bigot and get defensive. The hate in you is strong. That’s not healthy, maybe you should go meditate on the love of Christ or something. Peace.
I don’t think anybody is trying to make you gay or make you gay marry.
Can you tell me how 2 gays getting married is going to impact your life?
1. “pushing behavior on us”? No one is going to force you to become gay.
2. “people coming here”? If you think there are no gay people in Cayman you are even more ignorant than the rest of your comment suggests.
3. “pushing a lifestyle”? Is that where someone else imposes their values on you? Like when someone dictates how other people should live their lives even though it has no impact on them…
FFS.
Following your bogus logic, do white menfolk have the right to “peacefully” rally in Hero’s Square to discuss the revocation of women’s suffrage, or the repeal of the death penalty, or the reintroduction of slavery, because life was certainly easier for them back then? No they do not. Do you know why that is? CMA doesn’t “just” reject the Chief Justice’s ruling on SSM, it rejects the legality and acceptance of sodomy and homosexuality which were legalized by Orders in Council two decades ago. Think about that for a second. This community and its leadership are on a collision course with the recognition of existing laws, and there should already have been high profile arrests.
Arrests for what?
You see this is the generation of losers. If someone doesn’t agree with you or espouses or even holds another view, you can’t debate or even worse yet comprehend that someone has a different view.
Now you advocate arresting people? Thank God you aren’t in charge of the thought police yet. You same ‘so called’ enlightened fools will be the ones on the other end handing out sentences for people with religious beliefs.
Those times are coming again.
Vengeance, hate and discrimination are not part of Christian faith and hate sites and hate speech violate several Cayman and Int’l laws and should be widely condemned by all. That it is not being condemned is a failure of action on the part of the Governor’s office and FCO. They don’t get to sit passively and watch.
You have one minority group being oppressed and denied rights they deserve as two consenting adults,
then you have the hypocritical church lobby ignoring every sin under the sun with their holier-than-thou stance,
while trying to make every Caymanian think that our constitution doesn’t allow for freedom from religion. It’s your right to be Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, Jedi, whatever you want in Cayman.
Agreed 100%!
Simply state what people believe? So if I had a sign saying black people were ignorant that would be ok as long as I believed it? Or Caymanians were all stupid? or the races shouldn’t mix? All believes earnestly held by bigots. Do you actually think that it’s ok for people to profess what they earnestly believe even if it’s massively offensive to others?
Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, theistic deity. All as real as each other. Same evidence for each.
And don’t forget the “gay rights” myth as well.
i shudder to ask this but “gay rights” myth…. what myth is that?
You forgot The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Let it be known that The Gospel of the FSM urges you to try Pastafarianism for thirty days. If you don’t like us, your old religion will most likely take you back.
Ramen
and yet besides God you accept all…SMH
Stand up for Jesus he-soldiers of the Cross ☦️.
Thank you All who came out and showed your support and the many who joined us via the media both local and overseas. “We want our Island Back and those who came to our shores and embraced our Christian culture we welcome you for the other who came and tried to choke us to death with yours, remember you are not welcome here and are free to leave us stupid natives”. May God Bless you on your journey as you depart to better place of choice.
These Islands was built by our forefathers on a strong Christian foundation, and by the Grace of God we want the seem for our generations to come.
Prayer warriors we will not be discourage Never ceases to Pray, with God on our side who can be against us.
Where is that LOL button when you need it most?
If you think this island got where it is now because of Christianity then you don’t know this islands real history or the kind of people that originally settled here. Just because you believe something that does not make it true
Were the deserters strong Christians? How about the Pirates??
Prayer warriors….. not very successful are you… look at all those empty prayers in regards to Gay marriage in Europe and America. Do you ask yourself… “why is god not listening”? I’ll give you a hint… the Christian god does not exist… if there is a higher power, he doesn’t care about you or your views. Get over yourself.
Amen
No dear, I pretty sure Jesus would not be standing beside you if he were here now, knowing who he stood with in the past. In fact you most likely are in the group that would once again raise him up upon the cross to die, how sad for you.
The prophet Jesus did not condone homosexuality. I am sure of it!
Oh were you there? Well he certainly seemed to defend those in the minority, or persecuted by the majority. Just saying a lot of these statements are not sounding Christ like to me. But I am not one to judge, are you?
Prove it
@ 10:54pm, so you’re saying that born Caymanians that are gay are not welcome here and should leave? Okay, cool… just wanted to make sure I heard you correctly! It’s funny, I’m heterosexual and live here and aren’t be “choked to dealth by their views”.
CNS your headline is misleading. Further leading to all kinds of nonsense in the comments. How about just some honest reporting. Two different opposing viewpoints..two different demonstrations. One with about 50 say yes to gay marriage with lots and lots of signs..another demonstration with a heck of a lot more opposing the Judges decision…both demonstrations had a couple of extremes. The real issue is and remains “ may one Judge order the LA to overturn the language of the Cayman Constitution”? Until this issue is resolved how about everybody knock off the name calling.
Rallying for the continued discrimination of certain “inferior” and marginalized Caymanians, is not an opposing viewpoint. When you don’t even recognize the legality of homosexuality or sodomy (almost two decades ago), you might as well be rallying against women’s suffrage, abolition of the hangings in GT square, or lamenting the elimination of slave auctions every second Monday. We can’t pretend that this is anything less than a rally for state-sponsored hate. There should have been arrests made.
Well there were more than 50 for sure, and yes the one with free drinks and shade provided got a better turn out, surprise surprise. God forbid we sweat a little while exercising our rights, ahh the comfort of the moral majority. It is truly embarrassing to see the outrage about the CJ ruling, it shows how truly ignorant most Caymanians are of their own government structure. May I suggest if you want the country ruled based on Christian beliefs you hold a referendum to change the government from a parliamentary democracy to a theocracy. Please note you may need to go independent to achieve that.
So why didn’t you set up tents and offer free drinks.??.don’t blame them because you didn’t think of it..
Quantity does not equal quality. Or even equality.
Ah you pompous piece of flesh…quantity is what usually counts in democracy. He with the greatest votes wins.
But I am sure to tip the scales in your favor you will be advocating to take away the democratic rights of Caymanians- many of of whom came out to the march.
You will be next be advocating for the elections law to be challenged to wipe out our voice.
“Pompous piece of flesh”…look at you epitomising those Christian values of respect for others on which Cayman was built
You may not have heard of something called the Bill of Rights which is enshrined in every democracy: the voice of the majority cannot take away the rights of a minority.
If we all followed your argument that it is likely every minority in every democracy would be oppressed.
I have certainly heard of the Bill of Rights. The Minority is of no greater quality than the majority. You are wrong for inferring that.
I made no claims about my faith. But as further evidence of your hate you assigned me a religious view point. You have no right to judge me.
What I took umbrage with was your attempt to downgrade the humanity of the individuals choosing to march as if one group is of better quality than another. With people like you, we will never have equality.
It speaks to your own morality and arrogance. How dare you. Don’t agree with them, but you are no better than anyone you castigate by inferring someone else is of better quality.
I believe you lost your right not to be judged when you started judging and lobbing personal insults at me. How dare you judge my morality and defame my character as you do?
If you re-read what I wrote, I did not suggest one group was better quality than the other. I was merely stating that a quantity of people arguing something does not necessarily make it a quality argument. I was arguing against that quantity should always win because it is not always the case. A majority vote is not a quality argument for human rights.
Furthermore if you re-read my statement I was not assigning you a religious viewpoint. I was stating that your unnecessary personal insults do not effuse Christian values which Cayman is built and indeed the Constitution espouses.
Thank God the people have spoken loud and clear. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
Every day i thank god he made me a atheist.
I guess you made yourself “god.” So, just curious, at the time of your death, what hope will you have? Don’t tell me – your self? 🙄
No, at the time of my death, i hope that i will have lead worth while life and that i have no regrets. I also hope that i will have raised children who will be good human beings and finally that during my insignificant time on this rock spinning in space that i will have helped people and made their lives better.
As their is no heaven or hell that’s all we can ask for.
I certainly don’t regard myself as god (i pick my nose far too much for that to be true). Although i wouldn’t mind being Thor.
Hmmm … “helped people, raised children, no regrets” … it seems you have a sense of a right and a wrong.
And that means, you must admit, there is a universal standard that all must follow; or else … why so much time and energy defending your right and wrong???
You have a standard of right you hold onto dearly. Somehow you think this bit of information that tells you how to behave and is expected of all of us, is a matter of your own making.
We live in a universe of natural and moral laws, yet because of religious beliefs, many of which are absurd, you deny the same Source that wakes you up every morning.
By your passion, you show morality is universally detected in all human beings; or else, why would you call for world wide justice?
You would think that by sensing there is some connected morality in all of us, you would have asked ypurself the question – what causes it??? For this standard even transcends society, how you are raised, and instint…
But you go as far as condemn the many names and notions of this one Creative Source, and condemn those that are being faithful to its moral laws because they are affiliated with a church.
Unison
a universal standard… i would accept that.. and to a certain extent the bible and Jesus do try and confirm a universal standard.. “Do un to others…etc”… However the bible then goes off and justifies slavery and things like that. It is not a nice book.
“you deny the same source that wakes you up every morning” I don’t deny my alarm clock. The simple fact is that this argument coudl be used for Allah (who is the Christain God) Buddah, Thor, Zeus or any of the myriad of Gods.
Morality is clearly not detected in all human beings.. it is cultural… many cultures accept certain things that i believe to be “wrong” many cultures think that i am wrong.. i am happy to accept that there is a margin of appreciation in these things. Equally, what was write 2000 years ago might be wrong now… however somethings have always been wrong, there is you suggested a “universal standard”.
Society causes morality… humans are (in the main) an animal that groups together, like dogs in that respect. That is nothing to do with a higher being.
I am condemning hypocrisy… God tasked Abraham to find 10 Righteous people in Sodom or he would destroy it. You find me 10 people who follow all the stupid rules in the bible in the Cayman Islands, then i will listen to them. Everyone else who doesn’t follow all the Laws, they have no right to place their believes above others… especially when they are picking and choosing what to believe me.
By an large Christianity is far less harmful than other religions.. It however does have some particularity distasteful sects which should be called out at all times.
May reply here is too long and narrowed. Please my above posting.
The Last Zion,
You are the type of atheist who I have lots of time for. I think you are seeking truth and can respectfully debate points.
If I may humbly say, you have (as have many Christians) clouded alot of the bible says about slavery, righteousness, morality.
We all have questions- about origin, purpose, meaning, morality, destiny. I have personally found peace from the chaos and noise in the scriptures and the beautiful story behind them.
Ironically, this Easter period we recognise the completion of the story. Believe you me, not many of us would have have made it in under the Torah. In fact only circumcised Jews appear to be the ‘righteous’. Again not very comforting. Unison has done a good job of answering some of the points.
There is no hate in his tone, nor mine. Let’s continue to debate with respect.
Zion, your full of it..You using God as your means to try to validate your stupidity and ignorance. I don’t know what life changing incident happened to you but maybe you should see the closest Psychiatrist and get on some medication..
That’s nice.. Thank you. My “stupidity and ignorance”. Please enlighten me as to what that is?
Atheists scare alot of people. Not me. Forgive me for making some assumptions, but based on conversations with others, many atheists arrived there from a place of brokenness.
Unanswered prayers, seeing people not really live up to the standards they were preaching, personal crisis etc. Some also claim enlightenment.
I am happy to engage and share. Shouting stupidity and ignorance (even if you aren’t necessarily a professing Christian yourself) isn’t going to win anyone over or spread any light.
Last Zion, believe you me there are many Christians around who love you bro, and wish to embrace you, even to chat, debate and learn from you as well. Because you represent those turned off by our religion and rituals which have too often replaced relationships- the most important one with Christ and the relationship with our fellow human beings.
God is real bro. I would happily tell you of miracle after miracle I have personally experienced, his grace which he shows me everyday (and which I don’t deserve) and how I believe we are all made by a creator for a purpose.
Will only speak though in respect and love. Never judging you.
See your psychiatrist..I can’t help you!
Fool how can you put God and atheists in the same sentence
The same way you did.
God made you in his image and for his Glory. He loves you unconditionally and will always welcome you home. However, atheists is Your Choice
Human have been roaming on Earth long before God/Jesus and God is a fiction story.
Fools
So are you.
Legal in France. Look at the message God sent them today.
Yes because everyone knows “God” only allows bad things to happen to countries that allow gay marriages I remember what life was like before there were natural disasters and tragedies
People who pretend natural disasters and catastrophic events are all some sort of divine puzzle that they can piece together and interpret are insane and illogical
What is your explanation for the dozens of Hurricanes that have hit these islands O interpreter of God
Please share your infinite wisdom
You people are insane
I think the comment was a joke, fyi.
Hard to tell in this place
God had no problems with anything the French did for 700 years until today. God was fine with the French enslaving Africans to grow sugar in Haiti, apparently. Since God had no problems with the Caribbean slave trade, it must have made Him happy.
Don’t know much about the “natural” disaster history of Haiti, do you?
There were no hurricanes in the tropics or earthquakes on the Caribbean Plate boundary before slavery? Got it.
But in France, God destroys churches when He’s upset.
Trying to introduce xtians to logic is an exercise in futility. An attachment to Illogical thinking is literally what makes them who they are.
God is upset about gay marriages in France so he burns down a famous church rather than a gay bar? Yes, makes perfect sense.
#religionmakespeoplestupid
Let me get this straight (pun intended). God is angry with France because same-gender unions are legal there so HE rains fire down and destroys HIS church?? I don’t quite get it.
God is a 3 year old toddler.. he breaks his toys when people are being unfair to him. That’s the supernatural power i want to believe in.
I really don’t understand the hypocrisy. Jesus put fornication, adultery and homosexuality at the exact same level of sin. How can your churches be ok and promote all the rest and pick out one sin being worse than the others. Are you above your lord Jesus.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
You said “Jesus put fornication, adultery and homosexuality at the exact same level of sin. How can your churches be ok and promote all the rest and pick out one sin being worse than the others.” What proof do you have that “churches be ok” this sin? Labeling all churches as the same is an unfair conclusion. Watch your absolutes!
So some churches are better than others…got it
I have never see you march against fornicators and adulterers nor would your church cast them out. Some are even pastors…go figure that one out.
No one is trying to legalize it or call it right dumbo.
not condemning it is pretty well the same thing. Having a culture of keeping extra women is ok though right. I have even heard from Christian men that sowing one’s seed is a command from god. (multiply and fill the earth) they ignore the one wife and all the other commandments though. Name calling is very Christian of you!
Well at least I see you are reading the Bible…Great Start!! Congrats!
I’ve always been a fan of fictional comedy.
Keep reading! It sounds like you are really enjoying it!
It’s some hilarious shit, not gonna lie.
Glad you are still reading and finding it hilarious.. I am quite happy that it is keeping you entertained. It is a good book!
Let me know what book and chapter you are on and lets discuss…
Just getting through Exodus, trying to decide whether I should kill or not.
Thou shalt not kill. —Exodus 20:13
Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his brother…companion…neighbor. —Exodus 32:27
This is excellent. so proud of you for continuing to read the Bible. Now don’t just quote one verse in isolation of the rest of the chapter. We don’t want people to think we are taking things out of context..Read the chapter in its entirety and let’s talk about this situation some more..
6:19 you are off your meds.
You are sick!! Message? Let’s not forget all the abuse the Catholic priests continue!
#hateishate
This is a healthy rebuttal. It opposes the hate and intentional discrimination from the self-ascribed “Christian” community (who don’t even view gay people as law-abiding humans). These views are Heaven-disqualifying according to your own Saviour and Gospel. It’s amusing for Atheists to point out the paradoxes of the judgments and inequality that doom the many spiteful believers, and part-time failing practitioners, to the fiery cellars for eternity. If there is one, we’ll see you down there.
Wow, maybe the Bible really is true. It says God created man in his image and those protesters sure did look just like the God of the Bible. You know, hateful, vengeful, bigoted, ignorant, unfair, and dangerous.
Why be so hateful? Some of those people are elders, fathers and mothers of many of us and deserve our respect..
You say Love is Love..but you respond with hate.
An old hateful bigot is still a hateful bigot. Stop being an apologist.
“some of those people are elders, fathers and mothers of many of us and deserve our respect”.
wow… just wow…. can you imagine if that was a genuine point… “sorry, you can’t call my dad a bigot, even if he is and he wants to own slaves, because he is old”.
There are some silly comments here but this is up there with them.
Just because someone has lived a long life does not mean their views have to be respected. Equally just because someone has or has been impregnated, means that their views are special.
Zion, the point I think that was being made is that both sides have their own beliefs and respect should be shown..You calling them names and making up scenarios about them which go way outside the credible makes you just as hateful as them..It would be better for you to show them that you as a homosexual loves them and respects them but you do not respect or follow their beliefs..What you are doing is just stirring more anger and hatred..that is not what we need now.
LOL! Trump quote after the nazis marched in the USA “there were good people on both sides”. Lolololol you trippin you hateful fool.
We are just hateful of their behaviour, not the person…!
Respect must be earned. These bigots deserve none.
Stop the hate..You may not be a bigot but your hate puts you in the same class..
Couldn’t these people do something constructive with their time?
Picking up trash dumped around the place?
Walking humane society dogs?
Volunteering to read to school kids (nothing by oscar Wilde, or with gays in, I understand)
Helping out at the crisis centre?
Joining the rcips as specials?
Culling iguanas?
Tidying up reefs?
Okay…hate it is! Fools.
I suppose the rainbows last weekend could’ve done the same things with their time. They instead chose to exercise their constitutional right to express themselves on an issue near and dear to their Hearts, just like the people did on Saturday.
Yes, but the rainbows, as you call them, were the ones being discriminated against, and their group were preaching love and not hate. Y’know, positive things.
Were they now?? Did you watch the video?
But the LGBT etc were our last weekend, why was that ok ? Oh i forgot they want to shut everyone up who doesn’t agree with them
We could say the same about the LGBT march but they never picked up one bit of trash while they were out there..
When you respond in hate you are doing exactly what you are accusing them of..think about it..
Christian peaceful demonstration on Saturday is Hate. What was the gays demonstration on the Sunday before “Love?”.
Don’t Christians or anyone who do not believe or agree with you have rights too?
You do understand the messages of the rally right? It was to deny love and to denounce a community. While the gay rally was about embracing love.
It was about embracing “gay” love not just “love” in general which is what we all need..
Wow! You are so discriminating you even say what kind of love is valid. Love is love. Your narrow definitions really do scare me.
y’all keep using the word hate, not knowing its not a crime.
Is it really a crime to hate a behavior publicized?
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
(Albert Einstein, Obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955)
A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
(Albert Einstein, “Religion and Science”, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930)
“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift”. –Albert Einstein
Where do you suppose the gift came from, if not from God, referred to by your prophet Einstein? Einstein was but a mere man created by God who is infinitely more intelligent than all mankind yet you so easily rely on two quotes from Einstein to discredit the existence of God. May God have mercy on our souls.
“Mankind invented the atomic bomb, but no mouse would ever construct a mousetrap.”
Albert Einstein
As smart as you think you are, or you think Einstein was…to Einstein’s credit, at least he realized that a mouse had more intelligence than mankind because we created a means of destroying the entire planet and animal kingdom.
And the gay community is another example of people destroying the entire planet- we will eventually run out of people if all of us were gay.
Idiot.
Seeing all the churches come together to make a difference is great! I’m eagerly awaiting the rally they organise to help the poor and marginalized people of this country and the one to address sexual and domestic abuse like a good christian society does!
Hahaha even “Christians” down thumbed that! Shows how much they really care for people.
You know if the gay community came out and did what you are asking the churches to do, you may have a point..don’t think that will ever happen either…
No one is asking the church to do those things…well actually God is, but I guess we’ll just skip that part.
before you responded, you should have read the posting at 4:49pm..someone was asking and if not certainly implying…and what is wrong with both the Churches and the gays picking up trash..we would all be better off and have a cleaner Cayman..
I thought you didn’t believe in God..I’m confused…..
exactly, they are silent on all those issues, especially the Pastor that spoke at this event. He only makes public stands when it comes to this topic, the rest he is silent on.
This religion doesn’t want you..it is plainly stated numerous times in it’s sometimes bizarre defining document…do you want or need it’s acceptance or would you be satisfied with a civil union registry and equal legal recognition/benefits?
Marriage is not a religious construct… people were getting married before religion came so prominent.
I was there. 2000 to 3000 people showed up. And it was peaceful. I am not a Christian but I do believe if same-sex marriage law is upheld, it will bring in alot of things this islans is not prepared for. And think of our children. //// and please, I am not a bigot because I rally behind the churches and oppose ssm. Respect works both ways.
Tim. It was either 2000 or 3000. That is a huge difference. It’s not like you can say 50-60 people… Dingdong.
Does it really matter? What matters is the massive difference in numbers compared to the supporters of SSM. Ding Dong.
What actually matters is CNS claiming crowds in the hundreds for the SSM demonstration (the Rainbows), but trying to low ball a massive turnout close to 2000 by all accounts. Fake news abounds.
Kind of like 100’s of people showed up for the gay march…same difference..either group will say they had more…from the photos, look like the churches win in terms of numbers..let’s settle it at that and move on…
“I totally respect you by oppossing your justly due rights and using my children as a shield.”
It’s all “respect, respect” now that mother England can step in and override us. I wonder where all those crying for respect years ago when sodomy was literally illegal here, when we had police officers harassing gay couples, whn our literal god-damned MLA was calling us pedophiles and calling on us to harrass citizens at their wedding.
Damn your “respect” and damn you.
Lol that’s a bit much
I’ll say it again: If you don’t like same sex marriage, don’t marry someone of the same sex. You talk of respect – maybe you should respect other people’s choices when they make no difference to your life.
“And think of our children” what on earth does this mean? It sounds like a Project Fear statement… empty statements. All of a sudden SSM is going to destroy children.
There was no where near 2000 people there. I drove past and it looked to be no more than 200. Your numbers are way off.
There would have been a bigger gathering if Foster’s was giving out free coffee.
When you attempt to lie at such a level you cannot possibly be taken seriously.
You have won the prize for the most ridiculous post on this thread.
Ok, what will happen to our child if Gay Marriage is allowed? I would like proof and studies (peer reviewed if possible ) quoted from the UK, Europe and places where Gay Marriage is allowed which show that children are adversely effected by Gay Marriage.
You are not a bigot because you rally behind the churches, you are a bigot because you believe that children will be adversely effected by Gay Marriage.
Think of our children? really? Last I checked the majority of child and spouse abuse here, physical or sexual is done by heterosexual church going men. Our younger generations are far more accepting of each other, so we should try to learn from them.
Correction, all those sat in the front row are battling for votes.
The ministers should be ashamed of themselves. It’s such a crock to keep fooling and stirring people up with the empty and dishonest claim that Cayman was founded on biblical principles. It may be repeated often d it may feel good to say, but that doesn’t make it so. If it really had been, this would be a very different society today. One more like Afghanistan under the Taliban than a liberal western democracy. Which biblical principles is Cayman founded on, anyway, Pastor Alson?
Slavery is OK? Genocide is fine? Mass killing of people and animals via a flood is not evil? Women should follow men? Gays should be executed? Critical thinking is a bad thing? Women should be silent in churches? It’s not immoral to rape women and girls after winning a battle? No one should pray aloud or in public where others might hear? All these things are in the Bible clear as day. But of course the flocks don’t know or think about them because they don’t actually read the whole Bible with their brains switched on. Instead they mostly just trust preachers to spoon-feed select nonsense to them.
I’ll bet you a turtle-meat dinner that there is a lot of fundraising going on in churches over this because preachers never squander a chance to squeeze more cash from the sheep.
Pause and think, people. Search inside for your best self. Don’t be such an easy mark. The con artists and hate mongers can only use you if you let them.
#blessed
They have no shame. Never have.
Next week the church has arranged for a similar rally against the increasing number of adultery cases occurring in the Cayman Islands. It will be interesting to see which MLA’s turn up for that one.
Adultery caused my heterosexual parents to divorce and ripped my siblings apart from each other. I’d say that’s a bigger issue to tackle, but no one here cares about cheating since it’s such a common sin so no wote buying ability there.
Can you tell me which law makes adultery ok? I cant seem to find one hun!
Which law says that adultery or homosexuality is illegal?
Actually one of your parents cheating on the other is a personal issue and speaks of their principles and morals, why are you blaming that on the church ? Maybe that’s where they should have been together
Sane, rational citizens should take 2 minutes to read Bishop Nicholas Sykes’ maniacal essay (Past Chariman of CMA) on his “Legal & Ethical background” against SSM, in particular the part where he labels Alfred Kinsey as a fraudulent, sadistic, bi/homosexual pervert, a sex criminal, and further, that he collaborated with Nazi pedophiles and (the father of four) was complicit on cruel experimentation on children:
http://www.caymin.ky/CayCarCauseEssay.html
This rambling “essay” deviates so far from the civil topic of Same Sex Marriage, that it becomes an exclusive terrifying window into the absolute hatred of homosexual people, sodomy, and “stomach-churning..culture of sexual nihilism” that he is out there propagating to anyone who will read/listen.
This is textbook hate, and it’s a crime (or would be anywhere else). How do people like this get to organize public rallies with our clergy, House Speaker, and front row Cabinet aspirees in attendance?
Where are you Governor?? FCO??
Governor and FCO need to stay out of this. Even you SSM defenders should realize everytime the FCO interferes in a court case, it goes south. Read your history.
The Shenanigans and pronouncements during and after the court case is nothing short of intimidation and bordering on interference. If there is nothing to fear, then the appeal will be thrown out. But if the Chief Justice erred, the constitution is far too important to be messed about with and incorrectly interpreted.
The day we begin to concede that the end justifies the means then we can throw away law and order and go back to the law of the modern jungle. Survival of the richest aka who has the ability to buy their preferred outcome.
The Governor is in charge of the police response, so the buck ultimately stops with him when it comes to unchecked state-sponsored hate rallies. Several have clearly gone way over the line, and prosecutors will use these written records and links at their future trials (criminal not civil). It’s a shame that it’ll have to come to that, but it seems to be 20 years overdue.
Let me warn you and warn you sincerely. Be very careful where you are headed with this hate speech thing. It’s the coward’s way out. When we can’t debate diametrically opposed principles and values any longer, and you simply want to shut the mouths of those with opposing views, let’s rely on censorship, intimidation and prosecution.
My guess is you are a European. Probably white. I guess that because you aren’t used to rowing or arguing. Us Caribbean people row at home. We row at work. We row at school. We row at church. We row when there is nothing to row about.
Now we have a good row going on. And you know what we do, we continue living beside each other in peace and harmony.
Check out Europe. Censorship and banning of freedom of speech and religious symbols and mocking and castigating faith. You will very possibly be an islamic Caliphate in 30 years time based on birthrates alone- recolonized by a people you once colonized and by a faith you have scorned wholesale and attempted to suppress.
But until that occurs, keep relying on your threats of arrests and hate speech bans and watch as extremism grows, leading to more children of privilege rejecting avarice, luxury and modernity and joining ISIS and the like.
Suppress freedom of expression and freedom of speech, suppress people’s right to express their religion publicly and you end up with worse. It NEVER works. Now this is not me advocating for anyone inciting or encouraging harm to anyone.
But in a truly free society we have the right to offend others. Let that sink in for a minute. That means you dear sport, will have to live in a society where you might actually be offended from time to time.
Thanks for the link….I read it…it is very fact-based.
Much of his essay includes other historical data. I’m sure you’ve heard of the Kinsey Institute? Do you know that much of what he wrote in that essay actually comes from Kinsey’s records themselves? Do your own research and get off the Bishop’s character. Facts are facts and you are only trying to destroy Bishop’s reputation to save Kinsey’s and deny the truth of how dangerous Kinsey and the LGBT agenda are. Kinsey was a sex-crazed maniac, a child molester and it seems you don’t want to acknowledge that he helped to build the platform to where we are now with his theory of sexuality,,,ahhh yes…”the father of sexuality”.
More to the point, where are you, Mr. or Ms Anonymous? Why not have a proper conversation between two people who are adult enough to put their names on what they say? Be well guided.
Thanks for the link. It’s no surprise Bishop Nicholas Sykes would use something as deplorable as the Nazi movement as ammo against the LGBT.
The crazy part is Adolf Hitler considered himself and the movement to be strictly Christian, something Bishop Sykes would probably tell you about his view on the LGBT.. strictly Christian.
Sheesh! You just provided a link with scientific and historical data and trying to tear the Bishop down that his view is pure Christian? Talk about being blinded by hate? You attack your own evidence!!!
Unnah need to stop this hate ting, Bredda. Calling Christians hateful and hating Christians because they have an opposing view makes unnah BIGOTS. Welcome to the real world.
their comments/signs are laughable….
in a way you got to feel sorry for these closley related yokels….
There is no easy way to say this but…this government is full of morally corrupt and unethical hypocrites pandering to the church votes. The lack of objectivity and leadership by people elected and paid to represent ALL people/Caymanians is embarrassing.
What is clear is that unless you are pious enough or understand the concept of “a sliding scale for sins” you will be unable to make sense or comprehend that ALL forms of discrimination and bigotry are wrong. No Caymanian should be subjected to this in the Cayman Islands.
Thankfully, only God will be our judge on the day of reckoning so all that choose to focus on same-sex unions/marriage as the ultimate sin but ignore the other common sins as written in the Bible whilst they protect or ignore those that are known pedophiles, thieves, adulterers, con men in society or people abusing their positions as public officers proves that this is merely an effort to secure or placate a particular voting base.
It appears that it’s now politically convenient to ignore Matthew 7:5 or are the MLAs + religious groups that they are pandering to only focused on certain ‘wrongs’?
Can you imagine if Caymanians united to take a stand against:
1. Poor public education system
2. High costs of living
3. Poor public healthcare
4. Rising crime
5. Poor waste management solutions
6. CIG public sector growth and mismanagement
7. Systemic corruption
8. Opportunities for ALL Caymanians
What an amazing country and show of REAL POWER would that be for all in the 345!
Sadly, HYPOCRISY has become the true and largest religion of Cayman and our leaders.
#STAYWOKECAYMAN
Hey, bro, you should also look at Matthew 7:5, it is for you too. Aren’t you pandering too?
Talking the truth will not get people like Mr. Moxam elected in the Caymans. No one that is progressive or an independent thinker will be elected. Unfortunately, It is too easy to play to the churches and pretend to have ethics while buying votes.
Thank you Yohan that is leadership.
Mr. Moxam the bravery and common sense approach you consistently show is like a breath of fresh air. I always enjoy listening to and reading your contributions
5:42 find out if Mr. Moxam is all gas, or will he help you next election!
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I will be shocked if CNS allows this post but we can only PRAY!
CNS: I was absolutely going to post the comment until I got to the last sentence. Pet hate of the moderator. Read the comment policy. You are welcome to re-post without it; with or without prayers.
9. No controls on the :Over importation of Deportees!
Johann XXXXX what do you have to say about the constitution referendum ? Didn’t the majority chose this constitution and didn’t it say no to same sex marriage ? Buddy if you are going to make it in politics you need to learn to respect the wishes of the people. One more thing! Don’t you have any concern that when the first expat applies to the court for their right to vote or stand for election on human rights grounds the CJ may just do what he did for those two ladies ? Do you think you will get elected when the expats who outnumber us can vote ? Oh wait … you support same sex marriage, of course they will vote for you ! Now I get it. Good luck buddy… I hope you are ready for Joey Hew because I know he is salivating waiting on you to pop out of your crab hole.
#JOEYWHO
What has Joey done in life besides being Lenny’s son? He’s no Richie Hew that’s for sure but every family slow kid that people feel sorry for
Is that the same Joey Hew the silent cabinet minister on every issue? He stands for nothing is not leadership material just a puppet for the Premier. He’s not bright enough or qualified at level to match wits with Moxam. He’ll have to spend top dollars to buy enough votes again and has never faced any real competition before.
LOL you obviously do not know or understand Johan Moxam based on those comments
Joey Hew has zero depth proving himself to be a clown.
Poor Joey he cannot win no matter what he does or does not say because it is better to remain silent and just look useless than to speak on any issue and confirm that he is an elected dunce!
If Cayman is a country that has been founded on biblical principles, then please tell me why we don’t have rallies against:
– Spousal abuse
– Child abuse
– People having affairs
– People having children out of wedlock
-Stealing
– Murder, etc.
I would also love to know if those that attended the rally have committed any of the above sins, you know, because I thought all sin was equal and something about casting the first stone….
Also, I don’t remember “gay marriage” making it in the 10 Commandments and I’m pretty sure that Jesus himself said the two most important rules to live by are:
1. Love God above all else
2. Love they neighbour as thy self
It also infuriates me when leaders of this country or other people of this country say that marriage rights for homosexuals isn’t what Cayman wants. I am Caymanian and I fully support equal rights for my fellow Caymanians/residents whether they are gay or not.
Because 1,2, 5 and 6 of your list are illegal and no one is arguing to make them legal.
Adultery and having children out of wedlock/fornication were once shunned by society but have become normalized to the point that no one bats an eye. However to my knowledge neither were ever illegal and argued to be made legal!
Hence the rally….
Just like people had the right to march to support legalizing gay marriage, which I’m guessing you had no issue with, the opposing side have a right to march in opposition.
“However to my knowledge neither were ever illegal and argued to be made legal!”
Maybe that is the point… just because the bible says it is wrong doesn’t mean it should be illegal?
If the people at the rally cared so much for the bible’s principles then they should be rallying against all these points whether they are legal or not.
I totally agree that our community has far too LITTLE interest in domestic abuse and marital unfaithfulness, including condemning it among those close to us. But your comparison about rallies is irrelevant as none of those things are currently matters for government, whereas those demonstrating on Saturday were encouraging the government to keep protesting against the CJ’s decision.
The REAL work of combating those terrible things you list goes on behind closed doors anyway, pleading with people to turn back from their unfaithfulness, whilst encouraging boldness in going to the police in cases of abuse.
This is such a dumb comment. Murder ? Why have a rally against murder ? It’s illegal and murderers are punished 🤷🏽♂️ Why have a rally for that ?
These anti-gay protesters are NOT “Christians”. They are just hate-mongers. They are the epitomy of ignorance. They think they are superior because they are straight — even though some of them are not. In matters of sexual orientation, there is no “superior”, merely variations between human beings. Homosexuality has been observed in HUNDREDS of animal species — proving that it’s a naturally occurring phenomenon. For heavens sake, educate yourself on the subject! Don’t just listen to your ministers — many of whom are guilty of religious malpractice and go out of their way to foment hatred. Talk about doing the work of the devil. Try looking at what other countries are doing. Are you really so naive that you think Cayman has some sort of special relationship with God that other countries do not? Even the worst bigots — and the Assembly has quite a few of those — can learn to see the world in a more enlightened way. But regardless, know this: Same-sex marriage is coming, and soon, and you’re not going to stop it. And guess what? The sky will NOT fall in. Instead, it will be found, as it has been everywhere else, that EQUALITY BENEFITS ALL. Finally, Assembly persons: Think about your legacy. Do you really want your legacy to be that your main claim to fame was that you participated in that despicable contest on the floor of the Assembly to determine who the biggest hate-monger could be??? Because, that’s your legacy as things now stand…
This is absolutely laughable, you talk about hate and you are spewing the same hate.
Say what you want, but gay marriage is coming, and you are NOT going to stop it. You just wait and see.
A few species of animals do it…therefore it’s ok for humans. With that logic, I look forward to legislation that will enable impregnated women to kill and eat the man they’ve just slept with.
Bro. You sound jealous that thousands came out for the right and that only a hand full came out for the gays?
Yeah, it’s funny how gay people might be afraid to come to rallies after an MLA makes reference to stopping them with his shotgun on the floor of the LA…
Yes! The Cayman Islands and its native people do have a special relationship with God.
So the way to respond to what you call haters is to discuss your hate for them and call them names…I’m not sure where you going with this.. I have never seen one person in this country hating gays…I think what they are saying is that Same Sex Marriage is not what their faith or country was built on..
Being disrespectful just proves that you are no different.
Be interesting to see how this mob would get on in Brunei.
We are not in Brunei we are right here trying to rescue the” Rock”.
Where is our Governor? XXXX Not hateful? Look at this CMA website, and tell me it’s “neutral”. Look at CMA’s “Code of Ethics” for politicians. Forgetting the SSM debate for a second, they are completely against the recognition of homosexuality, which is a real-world hate crime: http://www.caymin.ky
Where do you all get this idea that opposing views to homosexuality is hate, hateful, a hate crime? I encourage you to check yourselves because it seems your hateful bullying of Christians and other citizens who do not support your view is the most dangerous emotion in this country right now and your attempts to bullying others into silence is wickedly criminal.
I think you missed the point of the rally.. It was not to fuel homophobia but to let those who are gay know that Cayman still loves them but their Christian beliefs leads them to stand against same sex marriage..nothing more than the LGBTQ rally did for their beliefs..
It was not an anti gay rally but more of a rally against same sex marriage..there is a difference..even though there were a few stupid people that are definitely homophobic there.
Ha! Only you neither love, nor accept LGBTQ as equals! They are considered to be a deviant paedophile “lifestyle” on the self-indicting CMA website, confirming the hate position of the group. It will actually be very handy for future prosecutors to image this web info for later, making note of who wrote what, whose video was whose, etc.
You can be against it and not get gay married. But, hust let people that do want to get gay married, do it. It will have no impact on you.
If you can believe it, Juju is Minister of Gender Affairs as well.
God help us!!!!
Any chance of the same people organizing a protest about the weak government schools or does no one care?
And will the LGBT Community march in support of heterosexual rights ?
Sure, what rights are heterosexual couples missing?
Basic heterosexual civil rights are not being impinged upon.
Heterosexual rights? You are a special one hey?
Yes, as soon as people start oppressing you for your sexuality.
Comments here saying “why don’t they petition for better schools, against spousal abuse etc.” Are just distractionary. The same sex marriage is a current topic being debated. Those other issues need pushing too, but I don’t see the gay community out there petitioning for better schools, that’s because right now the same sex marriage issue is the focus.
If Cayman goes to hell in a handcart it will because of the poor quality of school; segregation arising from government policy on access to public schools and inequality arising from the poor quality of public schools. Not same sex marriage.
How many people objecting so vociferously about same sex marriage accept their kids going to failing schools without so much as a wimpier.
The Gay rights movement can organize another march for the schools too..Why put it all on the anti-SSM people.
Ssm are fighting for rights they deserve that the homophobes are fighting to deny. If the homophobes just continue on with their lives and let adults be adults, none of this would be happening
Some Homosexuals with children don’t deserve better schools too?
Now I can better sympathize with what blacks endure in Montgomery Alabama and other southern states back in the 40-50-60 when they were treated worse than animals for simply having a different skin color. Same happening here except this time the targets are gay people. Very sad indeed. The slogan CaymanKind is a joke!!!!
No you can’t. Let’s stop this tripe about equating this with the plight of blacks in the south. It is an insult and MLK Jr. would roll in his grave.
No gay person has been lynched in Cayman. No gay persons have been systematically prevented from getting employment, education opportunities, had crosses burned on their lawns, had their place of work or worship fire bombed or attacked.
This is a crafty narrative developed within recent years equating gay marriage with the black civil rights movement. It still not a universally recognised civil right.
“You’re not as persecuted as some other people, so you’re not persecuted at all!”
Tell me again how many years it’s been since laws against sodomy were struck down in Cayman.
Tell me how many people were prosecuted by such laws? And in the States I can assure you there was no law allowing lynchings, but it was the order of the day. Let’s be practical and honest and not melodramatic.
Being gay in Jamaica could cost you your life, but really dude, can you honestly say that peril, fear and violence was the plight of homosexuals here in Cayman?
Honesty gets lost in all these emotions. reality is completely warped.
Honesty is pretending laws targetting gay people isn’t persecution.
You could have said the exact same thing about the US until one day, whoops, we got Lawrence vs Texas!
“No gay person has been lynched in Cayman.”
FALSE: https://www.caymancompass.com/2014/05/09/jury-hears-bankers-death-was-possible-hate-crime/
“No gay persons have been systematically prevented from getting employment, education opportunities”
FALSE. MLAs are currently calling for gay people to be deported.
“had their place of work or worship fire bombed or attacked”
FALSE: https://caymannewsservice.com/2017/08/foots-art-faces-more-vandalism/
Pick sense from nonsense:
Point 1. If someone who is black kills another person who is black is that a hate crime? More to that story than you know but I can understand how the buzzwords got you worked up.
Point 2. Not aware of any MLA calling for gay people to be deported for being gay. Non-starter. Some throw away quip does not a system of persecution.
Point 3. If you’re outing the so-called artist in Cayman Brac that sucks. I don’t think his art was vandalised because it was his art. If a 3rd grader, or Salvidor Dali himself had erected it, some Bracker would have knocked it down. People found it offensive period. So don’t try to mix-up the cause and effect. Nasty Art…period. He’s put up lots of other things and no one troubled it.
Has it ever been proven that Frederich was murdered because he was gay? Or is this just an ample time to use that suspicion to further this fight? But if the murder of humans because they are gay is what is important, please take your battle to Brunei and to the middle East. There is need for the protection of life, the most fundamental human right of them all, in those areas… But there are no flags flying over there, no advocacyafor the protection of human life, but pushing the agenda over here where there is believed to be a passive and known to be a peaceful population.
So unfair.
I was told the churches flew in parishioners from the United States to march with them, so not even locals.
You have got that turned around. That is what the SSM campaigners did, and it is they who have the bots. People at the rally on Saturday and readily be identified.
True, very few Caymanians at the SSM march..
Half of Kingston was there.
Thats really a cheap trick and fake news.
For those who want to understand how these acts of prejudice ultimately fuel violence and genocide, please look up the pyramid of hate:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ea/f6/09/eaf609f652b119548236ec7628df72b9.jpg?fbclid=IwAR2TVStoBCsmQM-mzferQTjpE3u5hah5r4uWP57Xe4okqMXk6tuggzStV2s
The rally was a resounding success with over two thousand in attendance. There were passionate biblical, educational, social , medical, physiological and legal statements made in a very peaceful, clear and concise manner and all of us would have been enlightened to be a part of it. It was amazing to witness so many various congregations assembled in one area praising God and affirming our stand and our biblical heritage and responsibility to our Beloved Isle Cayman that our God Founded Upon the Seas. All of us who are of the Redeemed and who care about our Beloved Homeland must take our responsibility seriously and be the light in this dark and depraved time on our Beloved Homeland. As Pastor Ebanks said, Cayman is not a Christian island/ nation (whatever you choose to call it) because all of us are Christians but because it was founded on Christian principles. God bless you all.
I can’t be bothered but someone should FOI to find out how much government spent on this abhorrence.
Money well spent!!
Amen and Amen.
Not a single penny was government’s.
Homosexuality has been observed in over a thousand species. Homophobia has been observed in one.
I was about to point that out, thanks for reading my mind!
not true
You clearly haven’t ever studied biology.
These are absolute bullshit talking points and pseudoscience.
There are NO binary gender species ever shown to prefer or select homosexual relationships outside of humans. Every other recorded instances where from deprivation of the opposite sex, or accidental. Like experiments showing male dogs humping one another. Put a female in heat there and there and any of that goes away.
Educate yourself
I’m interested in reading more about these homophobic dogs you described.
He didn’t describe a homophobic dog, he described a naturally heterosexual dog who was only situationally homosexual. But thanks for demonstrating how you people misuse the term homophobic.
Yep…just like Jamaican men in prison. Right now there is a controversy around distributing condoms in prison because men who are majority heterosexual are now deprived of the opposite sex (in prison) and are making ‘choices’ they normally would not. No one is denying that the behavior does not exist.
There was a prison riot in Jamaica years ago the first time they attempted to distribute condoms in prison. Right now there is a spiralling HIV rate within some prisons there.
that’s not correct. 10% of domestic rams only have sex with other rams. Even when there are female Ewes close by.
Equally, Giraffes have same sex relationships
Prove it?
Does “homophobia” mean moral disapproval of homosexuality? Well, then that is hardly surprising. Morality is one of the things that distinguishes us different from lower animal species. We also don’t generally eat our young although we see that in some animal species. Generally, speaking we should aspire to higher standards than animals.
Yeah, keep comparing same-sex relationships to canabilism and infanticide. You’re doing wonders convincing us this isn’t about hate.
Comparing consensual acts to those of voilent ones are a clear example of theists forced to use stupidity to rationalize their bigotry.
No, you missed the whole point of the comment which is that we cannot use animals as a source of our morality.
Humans are animals. We are mammals after all. Do you think morality is taught by the Bible? An old book fabricated by illiterate goat herders used to justify their own bigotry and, ignorance.
OK, then can you explain why it is immoral to allow 2 people, who love each other, to get married.
Please have an answer other than “because the bible says so”
Because a main focus in marriage is to make children which two people of the same sex can’t do. please don’t go down the road of “well not everyone can make children who are hetero.” Simplyaccept this scientific fact as the answer you have asked for.
XX and XY refers to chromosomes, not genes, and it determines sex, not sexual preference.
If XX and XY determined if you were straight, we would have zero homosexual Caymanians.
Weak arguments. Bermuda used the “it goes against our culture and religious beliefs” argument in their appeal and failed miserably last year..
August is going to be so fun watching these people lose their minds.
Totally agree, a bad mind should be lost, FOREVER! This 17th century Christian dogma will not prevail.
Exactly. In addition, XX and XY aren’t even the only two types of chromosomal pairs. Scientists understand that even biological sex exists on a spectrum despite what transphobes might say.
Actually you’re describing intersex-phobes, not transphobes.
All the orher combinations result in physical defects.
The fact that you view natural variations in biology as a physical defect is precisely the problem.
CIG will loose and then follow Bermuda’s lead in appealing a second time to the Privy Council to loose again. Bermuda will likely loose before us, and maybe (let’s hope) before August/September (like they couldn’t have moved this up the schedule)…until then, we must wait for the FCO to intervene:
http://www.royalgazette.com/same-sex-marriage/article/20181214/government-set-for-run-at-privy-council
In other words, you are eitber xx or xy. There is no other or in between. So why is the lgbt comparing what is a sexual behavior like its a human race. You are not born gay. And something is very fishy about that 🤔
The sign carries alot of food for thought.
Only of you’re an idiot
I was born gay. Just take a gay man’s word for it. Nothing will ever change it. I will always be gay. Why is it so hard to understand ?
Yeah right … I was born a pedophile too…
You have choices in life!
And there’s the “loving” Christian again. Every time equating homosexuality with pedophilia.
No, you were just born either stupid or nasty. You can’t draw an equivalence between child abuse and consenting adult relationships. (Unless you’re stupid or nasty.)
How would you ( different people ) feel if you had a whole Island for your selves.
Think …. how do you choose what you like. Think for a split second. You just do. Or don’t. I like men. Was never a choice for me. Don’t know about you though
When did you choose to be straight?
On Cayman most pedophiles are church going heterosexual men, clueless much?
Please find it in your heart to forgive the ignorant. They were born ignorant and were taught by the ignorant to be …ignorant. You can not give them wisdom, peace, or love. They will only have themselves to look up to in this life. Understanding is a gift only given to those who deserve it.
A lot of food for thought? The idiots holding the signs up couldn’t even explain what they mean I reckon.
Please enlighten the ignorant. Provide proof ?
The only way to explain this is by using Logic (Science), The community needs to be educated especially regarding to this topic, this lake of knowledge should not be acceptable with all the science and data, and I blame the leaders of this community!
Anyone can simply explain this concept :
” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciQjo7bj-uQ”
Adding to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zj6PzOsl6A
Understanding these facts will break the wall of ignorance, and open the doors of respecting someone else’s way of life.
The last video just by its title explains it all. It is a DISORDER OF SEXUAL DEVELOPMENT. Do you know what that means? Still, a person is either a male or female. Not having enough of this or that in you, does not change this biological fact. You still have the choice on whether to engage in homosexual actions.
And no one should be “force” to accept or approve the actions of another. Your socalled “marriage” should be a private affair – not forced on everyone to recognize☝🏽
In which case, why am I forced to accept your marriage?
If only you would think before you write because it sounds so self-entitled. “You must accept my marriage but I will not accept yours”
This wreaks with so much hate and contempt it’s deplorable.
FYI: England has a free for all sex policy. Why not move the and leave all “these people” on this little rock here with their God?