Needle still stuck on national vaccine rate
(CNS): Following the reopening on the clinic on Tuesday, the number of additional people vaccinated, released by public health officials, revealed that the needle on the national rate remains stuck. Just 113 people received their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccination over the last day and another 90 got their second. This means the national rate of those who are now fully vaccinated remains at 67%, while 70% of the population has had at least one jab.
According to Chief Medical Officer Dr John Lee, all of today’s test results for the coronavirus were negative. There are currently ten active cases of the virus among the 1,027 people in quarantine and isolation, four of whom are suffering symptoms with one person still in hospital.
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This is not about the vaccine (which is soon going to be redundant). It’s all about closing up and taking over the island for use of Government and its dependents until all the money is spent and the bills are due. Normal humans in power stuff. It won’t last long.
The goal is to avoid any possible blame when there is the inevitable community transmission or somebody dies. The only people who matter are Cayman voters, many of whom donāt care if the island stays closed.
Those that want to be vaccinated already are. Weāre not gonna move much higher and definitely wonāt hit the magic 80% so time to revise that pretty little colour chart of the phases.
They need to set that piece of crap on fire
How will they ever reach the target while they continue to increase the population. Itās a losing battle, like trying to fill a leaking bucket.
Instead of putting restrictions on people leaving, it would make more sense to stop people coming in.
If all the number of children that go towards making up our population , (in other words those that cannot be vaccinated), were deducted from the overall population number, then the vaccinated target could be reached…yes..???
Lies
Damn lies
And creative maths.
From listening to the Deputy Premier last night on the Resh Hour, it is clear that this Government does not wish to reopen any time soon.
They keep making the argument that it is not worth to risk lives for a few tourist dollars, but what about adding daily flights and just keeping the quarantine in place? Why can’t we all have the freedom to travel if we need?
And let us be clear we are all impacted by this prolonged border closure, not only those in tourism.
But not those who work for CIG.
$100 bonus for getting each of 2 shots.
You should be begging for it, not paid to get it. Pathetic.
You don’t have to believe what I’m sayin, but spend 10 minutes just to read the link. That is all I ask. Educate yourselves. If you think its trash, then educate yourself on the argument the opposition will use so you can be better prepared for it.
Source Material: Extracts from a leaked contract from Pfizer regarding Vaccines
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419653002818990085.html
Based on the document, Pfizer have admitted that the vaccine is an experimental drug and they have legally removed themselves from all responsibility, on top of structuring the document in such a way that they will continue to receive billions of dollars every year regardless of the efficacy of the vaccine, regardless if they even make the vaccine and definitely regardless if they have any adverse side effects.
What if, just hear me out, what if governments committed to a contract they didn’t read and now need to keep up the facade so that they do not suffer the negative perception from their people. I mean, first we needed two doses, now its three. With a contract like this it explains why there are more “booster shots” needed every so often. They committed to a contract that states they HAVE to buy these doses from big pharma regardless, so may as well make people get it.
Wow, Mike Lindell (the MyPillow guy) writes posts on CNS!
Thanks for the information, Mike. I unfortunately received both doses, but I wonder if there is a way to now remove the vaccine-induced antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2 virus from my body, as well as any immunity residing in my B and T cells as a result of the vaccine?
I wish I had this information you provided Mike before my vaccine.
(PS Mike, I have a bit of acne but now Im thinking it is small pox, and my back is a bit sore so maybe I have polio? I thought vaccines eliminated those diseases, but I now think those were lies! Thanks, and I will be ordering more pillows from you).
Useless comment. You provided nothing to the OPās post. You merely try to insult them and in doing so show your immaturity. A simple post about an article they saw with a n opinion. Outlandish, but an opinion none the less and your only response is to attempt to ridicule. Your comment has no bearing on the original comment that im sure you have no comprehension skills. Completely subject to your emotions.
@3:54 Geesh you are just as bad as him. Please stop with the utter rubbish and go get vaccinated so that we can get past this mess.
This is golden. Over the top absurdity in response to complete jibberish. I would have ignored the nonsensical initial post because itās not worth it. But yes, this is MyPillow guy territory (who said on Steve Bannons podcast this week that Biden will resign in August and Trump will be reinstalled ā¦ā¦.not kidding, look it up).
I think the initial post is so silly, and obvious satire and trolling to get a response. But this retort is Mad Magazine, Jon Stewart era Daily Show worthy. (Maybe both written by the same person).
We wiil never know !
Sooooo no expiry date on this batch???
The expiry date is on the unvaccinated.
On vaccinated lives more like
Sure. Great comeback
Open the border for Vaccinated travellers ONLY. The only exception are people with a legitimate medical condition (get a DR’s Note) and children under 12. All of the anti-vac folks can have the island. So jaded as to how Cayman has become (I’m Caymanian) they can have my passport this place is turning into Kingston JA so fast. You can’t even walk from your car at your house without getting held up or verbally assaulted anymore. Open the borders and let nature take its course.
Doubt you are Caymanian but good try.
I am Caymanian. Allow vaccinated travellers to go where they want, with continued 5 day quarantine, but PLEASE put more flights on the schedule, to all destinations,
Some negative comments on vaccination r noted. We have a few doctors. Of them very few that r trained in public health and these viruses. We have to depend on large countries like USA UK for experience and guidance. Also from WHO. If all these organisations work for some reason goes wrong we also face the consequences like them. But if we dont want to catch the train as accident may occur we will be left behind. We have been leading in many aspects and we r on world map althogh small pop. Govt has a duty to enlighten public and provide knowledge with confidence.Trust cant be asked it should be gained.
Let us be together and succeed.
Why wont Wayne to a real press conference every two weeks with rolling updates on plans, and take real questions from the press?
Wayne has no plan.
We need to know what they plan to do when there is community spread.
I am vaccinated, the plan better not include if i am in ALT on a Saturday and a customer that day tests positive and I have to stay home from work for two weeks from contact tracing.
The plan better not include closing businesses or closing government departments, most of which have yet to meet pre covid efficiency.
We are going to open, the unvaccinated will get sicker than the majority of us, what is the plan on how to respond to this without punishing the responsible actions of the vaccinated?
If you are vaccinated, why are you even entertaining the idea you will need to quarantine yourself. Doesnt the vaccine protect you from the symptoms? Im not following your thought process
Im the one who wrote the above. I misread the one i was referring to. Apologies.
Agreed. Does this sound like a democracy? No free movement. Have to present your papers when you are allowed to travel. Thw leader only gives speeches with no questions from the media. Made up stats about the population that no one believes. Impossible targets that can’t be met.
9.00am Why on earth would they want to embarrass themselves on T.V?.
Time to open, the non vaxers have had enough time.
If there is no enforcement by government, this picture aint changing.
Enforce vaccines or open, end this lingering for better days
Budesonoid, the press don’t report on this already FDA approved drug and already tabled by the senate committee for state affairs.
CNS: Budesonoid is on the list therapeutic drugs that appear to possibly be effective after people have symptoms of covid. Unlike the vaccines, it is not a preventative. Your doctor and all public health officials will be up to speed on this and other drugs and they are the ones who need to know because they understand the science. Here’s an article on BMJ for anyone interested. You’re trying to make out that this is a big cover up but most large media do periodic updates on therapeutic drugs.
Ivermectin on the other hand is preventative and has been cited by many renowned doctors as being the cure for covid as well.
Funny though, all these pro vaxxers (non choice believers) can’t seem to handle the fact that there are other options to the vaccines that actually work…
Let’s not mention that it’s been around since 1970, won a Nobel prize and only costs 70c a dose.
12:02, Google. Is Ivermectin For COVID 19 Based On Fraudulent Research?
Read and then cry.
My family has been using ivermectin while sick with the delta variant. I can say it is not a magic bullet it did help based on what we saw. The younger 20 year olds (2 on ivermectin 2 not) who took it were well in 10 days the other in 3 days versus 16 to 18 in the non-ivermectin group (two 20 year old people). The 50 year olds (2 on ivermectin and 3 not) – 2 non-ivermectin in hospital and 1 ivermectin as well. All 50 year olds still battling fatigue 20 to 30 days after initial infection. So, it does appear to help but it did not help a great deal based on my “case study”. All the people above were not vaccinated.
12.02pm By all means take it if you have head lice or scabies. If you believe snake oil salesmen take if for Covid.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
Look CNS, of course it is not necessarily a ‘cover-up’, but you can admit that they are not forthcoming about many things. Especially if it means people will have a reason NOT to get the vaccination.
They also do not give out details on those that have gotten sick, or have died. Details such as if there were underlying reasons that make one more susceptible. They cannot allow people to know everything because it will give credence to those that are hesitant for whatever reason including autoimmune deficiencies.
But hey, all of you holier than thou people keep bullying and ganging up on those horrid anti-vaxxers. Lol
It is actually unfair to lump them together with the nutballs that think some vaccines cause autism…
Makes me laugh when this vaccine is compared to vaccines that have been proven and in use for decades.
But anyway, I had it, am still alive and I hope whatever negative effects there are don’t show up after a year or after the next booster that we will be forced to get.
And I agree, give fair warning to open up and let the chips fall where they may.
80% vax of the population is never going to happen.
Open the borders!
The virus canāt recognise the nationality of the human species. So the idea of vaccinated travellers whether to return home or arrive for vacation to these islands is moot.
Governments worldwide have panicked since this Pandemic became world headlines.
Why did the HSA open our special āFlu clinicā at the end of 2019. Anyone who doesnāt believe Covid was here back then is not really thinking logically. Nobody died back then from the āfluā.
AND I will say again the magic number that nobody knows is the percentage of Asymptomatic people who have had Covid without knowing. Comparing known cases of Covid Vās Covid deaths is nonsense and quite frankly has been breeding fear into all the populations.
Lastly to all the people scorning the āAnti Vaxxersāā,
Many people are not worried about the vaccine but are extremely worried about the long term effects that are completely unknown at this early stage.
Open the borders.
Cayman will remain close till further notice. Good bye hotels. Goodbye restaurants and expat skill and customer service. Hello massive financial debt and bad reputation. We’re good with that.
And good Bye Debbie Downer….
whoever is not vaccinated,
ain’t getting vaccinated.
open the borders !!!
I think youāre looking at it with an incorrect starting assumption. They know very well that itās never going to reach 80% and thatās exactly why that threshold was set….
Not gonna hit 80% even if we werenāt being held to an overinflated population estimate. š¤¬
And counting people who are ineligible to take the shot like children under 12…
And people who donāt exist. And not counting locals who have been vaccinated elsewhere.
And Caymanians living overseas. My family of 4 left after the last census for example (employment/further education opportunities), but how would their statistics know that? We are still registered to voteā¦
Why dislike that? Because we left to better ourselves, (so we can come back & get those jobs currently held by permit holders) or because you disagree with my logic? We are Caymanian but we are currently not resident. Are we (& hundreds of others) erroneously included in the population total?
USA has decided vaccination as entry requirement to restaurents bars etc. If we dont accept all types of certificates from them they may not accept ours. No one is going the route of forgered vaccine documents just for travel to Cayman. We need to be practical.not some euphoric suggestions govt getting
Speak for yourself, no where in my state (FL) has vaccination entry requirements. Neither do the majority of the other states…beyond NY which is a mess in itself Cuomo is a jackass. Unlike what your premier wants to do, we actually respect people’s human rights and do not infringe upon them. Ya’ll need to take your head out of your ass and realize all of this is propaganda. Things are not as bad as the media is making in seem in the real world. Stop feeding into the hype and think logically.
10:36pm, āthe USAā has made no such decision. Nice try!
This proves that non existing people cant take vaccine. Govt needs to find the unvaccinated realistically and motivate them to have it rather than simply waiting for non achievable 80 percent of overstimate of residents.
“Motivate them”
You lot are insane and worst than the greatest of dictators. What happens when motivating them goes wrong? Who covers that concern, who will slow down govt when they take more and more or your freedoms. Grow a pair, go outside , take your vitamins and if you are at risk, isolate yourself. The rest of us have shit to do!
If Bhutan can hit 90%, it’s obviously not impossible
Bhutan’s rate is actually “90% of eligible adults”. We are pretty close to that now in Cayman.
I’m guessing Bhutan knows their actual population.
Quite a few sources have Cayman at 76.5% vax rate as they haven’t bothered to update to the “new” population level.
This is kinda important so I’m not sure why we can’t/didn’t pull the census start date forward.
The census could have been done last year. We have had no local transmission for a year, so why was the census delayed??
stop.
these are the only real questions to be asked:
what happens if(when) we don’t reach 80%?
what is plan b?
what do they think will happen if the let vaccinated residents travel freely?
what is caymans plan for dealing with covid when it gets here?
who will get sick and how many? can our health system cope?
i will wait for answers…. but the truth is, caymans spinless politicians will only re-open when the rest of the world declares the pandemic over.
Facing up to a powerful foreign dominated tourism lobby to save the lives of some of the more vulnerable (and some of the less educated) in your community, is hardly spineless.
Totally spineless. Caymanians can’t eat Cayman. Food, jobs, money, skill all comes from the outside world.
Bullshit. Your derision of the people who welcomed you is astounding. Find a way for Caymanians to have meaningful participation and/or benefit, or leave.
Itās spineless if you donāt admit to the people that is your plan. Where is the transparency then?
Not sure it’s spineless. More well-intentioned albeit wholly impractical and unrealistic especially with the rest of the world learning to live with the virus. And the financial cost of remaining closed like this will be borne by the younger and future generations of Caymanians.
Remember we patted ourselves on the back for increasing overnight tourist numbers when the eastern Caribbean had been ravaged by hurricanes? Where do we think those visitors are going now, and will continue to go in the future, having enjoyed it and paid a fraction of the price that they would have to pay in Cayman?
Unfortunately you are spot on.
What percentage of the womenās National football team traveling today to Turks and Caicos for āā essential ā travel are fully vaccinated? How many cancer patients were denied a seat on the flight as a result their āessential ā travel?
They took a charter direct to T&C!! Maybe find out what you’re talking about before spreading rumors!
In to which of the below categories does this travel fit? I’ll wait.
“Essential travel, which is defined as:
Travel for urgent medical attention not available on island
Accompanying an individual travelling for urgent medical purposes
Educational purposes e.g. returning from or attending educational institutions
Up to two guardians escorting children 21 years or under returning from or attending educational institutions”
They are representing Cayman XXXX so of course it is considered essential. No one who requires treatment of any kind is being denied. My cousin requires treatments for an illness, they were able to present the relevant documents and fly out in haste. So shut up and stop spreading anger and BS.
Under which of the above categories?
They took a charter direct to T&C!!
Yāall they never intended to open this year. Anyone who believes that this plan was real might be interested in my mountain retreat in Kendall. Comes with its own ski lift!
“Intended”? That would imply there was a cogent plan.
We need 9,389 second doses in the next six weeks to hit 80% by September 9th (as per the government plan).
Of those second doses, 7,095 would still need first doses, which would have to be administered in the next 3 weeks to allow for second doses by Sept 9th. That is 2,365 first doses in each of the next three weeks.
Unfortunately, 0% chance of reaching goal by Sept 9th. So what is plan B? (Can we at least allow residents to freely travel and add some flights after Sept 9th)?
I have been saying for a few weeks, we have essentially reached a saturation point of willing people, and are now just down to trickles each day.
What is the difference if residents leave and return or tourists come and go? Covid doesnāt know the difference between resident, expat or tourist.
Open the border for everyone vaccinated ( & not just US vaccinated at Walmart because most US residents got vaccinated at state/ local vaccination centers).
Not a lot of difference. But if we are going to slow play visitors for now, at least let residents be able to travel. Many of us, like me, havent seen my elderly parents in two years, but it is impossible to get flights.
I am fully vaccinated and willing to do the quarantine on return. But for god’s sake, let Cayman Airways put on more flights. I am so tired of these damn flight wait lists and having to join Facebook groups hoping to latch on to a private charter. Just need a way to get to Miami and the rest is easy.
You think only relatives live overseas? We in the US have relatives living in Cayman that we havenāt seen in 2 years. Same situation in reverse. We should both be able to travel- fully vaccinated here, also. Just donāt have time off on my job to do a quarantine period.
You wouldnt be able to find a flight here anyway even if you wanted to quarantine on arrival š
Such a sad, ridiculous, needless situation that is causing a lot of stress to the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated right away.
11:42 is right! Iām a Caymanian living overseas. Was considering coming home and doing quarantine with my parents as they were willing to quarantine with me. Not a flight available.
First up, the population figure is a flat out lie. PACT has no intention of opening the border.
With what has been happening in Florida the past 2 weeks in regards to the Delta variant we are in no position to open with so many unvaccinated here.
What does being unvaccinated have to do with your logic? The Delta variant will infect everyone regardless of the vaccination status, only the severity of the symptoms will differ between those vaccinated and unvaccinated. The viral shedding for vaccinated is stated to be low, however Iāve not seen any data to support that and those proclaiming in donāt have solid data on it either. So, at the core of it all if the purpose is to not have ācasesā then a full lockdown for the rest of our lives is the only viable option because vaccinated or unvaccinated will contract and spread the virus. Now, if your talking about ādeathsā as a result of COVID, then the vaccine is a good route to take but I realize the world stopped talking about deaths and started focusing on cases.
We will never rid ourselves of cases with this approach and its frustrating because basic critical thinking can lead to that conclusion, yet we are trying the same things over and over in hopes it just works this time.
You donāt get it 8:20. If we do not get enough people vaccinated, which will then enable us to get herd immunity, then the virus will keep mutating with an even stronger virus which will be more transmissible and be resistant to our current vaccines.
So, everybody needs to get vaccinated or we will never break the virus cycle.
We are not trying to do the same things over and over if people would just get friggin vaccinated.
The variants are already here and they don’t care if you are vaccinated. Many people who are fully jabbed are coming down with the Delta and Gamma variants. My aunt is fully jabbed with Pfizer overseas and currently has Delta. There are more breakthrough cases than we are properly being told. Herd immunity is a fantasy at this point unfortunately. This virus seems to constantly be 10 steps ahead
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1467002/Gamma-variant-covid-vaccine-efficiency-Dominic-cummings-Boris-johnson-contingency-plan
Then following your logic 9:06, no one should be traveling for any reason. Stay locked up forever.
The real logic should be that only vaccinated people (no matter who- residents, expat, tourist) should be allowed to travel. Learn to live with the virus as it will be here forever. The real danger is to the unvaccinated.
The virus is the danger, not people who are not vaccinated. They made their decision, get over it. An unvaccinated person will not do shit to you, if you are doing what you are supposed to be doing. Everyone I know right now with Covid is vaccinated. Some are worse off than others but they are all making it through. Those that had it before who were not vaccinated, recovered. It may shock you, but the vast majority of people who have not been vaccinated and had covid, recovered, and have natural antibodies now. Whether you are vaccinated or not, it does not matter. The virus will find you anyway
A very small percentage of vaccinated people end up in the hospital with Covid. The majority (98%?) of those in hospital, on ventilator and dying from Covid are unvaccinated. Those are the facts.
While I agree with you – I have double jabbed relatives sick. They are not in the hospital but they have tried to get admitted. You have to be really sick to get in. So, it does appear to fend off the worse of the illness.
I think this comment shows how easily human beings will divide ourselves into (us and them).
Now you say the āunvaccinatedā are the issue. A large portion of your community you see as a threat to your life. Hmm i wonder where we can see this rhetoric being used before? What steps do you think is necessary that they do not want to get vaccinated? What force will you deem necessary to use when you are afraid? Be careful how travel down this path because you can quickly end up doing things you never thought you would do.
Is CIG ever going to realize there is not a snowball’s chance in hell that we will reach the 80% mark? They must be living in a fantasy land if they believe this will happen.
So if we cannot reach the 80% mark we must remain closed.
Yes. So when is a major hotel going to step up, as ALT has done, and require vaccination of its staff? They donāt seem willing to put their money where their mouth isā¦
Blackmail is not a solution Iām afraid.
Itās not blackmail. It is Public Health. And if I went and got vaccinated in large part to help the tourism industry, I have every right to expect that industry to make at least the same sacrifice (not not a big sacrifice, just a little hurty on my shoulder).
Precedent is very important. Most decisions made in the court system are set on precedent. Itās human nature to use the past to make decisions in the present.
So with that in mind, lets think about how events can play out if we start forcing people to be vaccinated. The precedent is set in the minds of those who have the means and authority to dictate the lives of others that āitās in the public interestā, āIām doing this for your safetyā, āWe did this with the vaccine, its practically the same thingā. These rationales are fine because we are using the precedent set before.
Iām against the mandating of vaccinations under the guise of public safety, because the precedent set throughout history is always ānational securityā and āNational Interestā. Hitler stated his ideas were in the public safety for the Aryan German people. President Xi of China use national security and national interest to silence Hong Kong. Itās something the world has forgotten but it was only 2 years ago that China went into Hong Kong, against the treaty stipulations silenced any and every dissenter who spoke against the Chinese Communist Party.
Precedent is a very dangerous thing. The first time something is implemented it needs to be as close to correct as it can be, because it sets the tone for years to come and will be used as the reason behind every extreme action. When those actions are pointed at you, I want you to remember the precedent you set before.
There is already precedent set from mandatory vaccinations for schools. Itās done for public health and safety, not national security.
Those cases were called Small Pox and Polio. We would still be battling those pandemics if all of society had not stepped up for everyone and not just themselves.
LOL Comparing a vaccine that has been trialed and in use for decades being compared to this vaccine is completely ridiculous. INSANE.
How are educated people comparing measles, polio, small pox etc.??
So you are saying that years ago the mandating of the small pox and polio vaccines was ānational securityā and ānational interestā?
I donāt recall any leader in the Cayman Islands or the United Kingdom saying such a thing. It was spoken of in terms of public health and everybody got vaccinated.
I think you should ask yourself what your aim is. What is the goal you want achieved? Is it to have no cases or no deaths? Ask yourself what is behind that 80% that you are aiming for.
Based on what we are seeing around the world the measures you are suggesting donāt stop cases all Together.
Are you fine with remaining closed because we didnāt achieve that magic 80%? If this is all about saving peopleās lives then why not 100%? Iām not sure people have thought about why these targets exist and if the targets themselves are aligned with the goal. then again, can you even articulate the goal of this entire charade?
The goal is not to be blamed if and when there is community transmission and somebody dies. This is the only goal.