Education minister urges disruption to gay wedding
Juliana O’Connor-Connolly in the LA on 3 April 2019
(CNS) UPDATED WITH RESPONSE FROM DAY: Education Minister Juliana O’Connor-Connolly has urged the public to attend, uninvited, to what will be the first ever same-sex marriage in the Cayman Islands in order to object to it. In her contribution to a debate in the Legislative Assembly on Wednesday, the member for Cayman Brac East implied that gay people are evil. But the minister also read out details of the marriage notice for the two women, Chantelle Day and Vickie Bodden, who successfully petitioned the court for their right to marry.
She told people they could object to the union ahead of the wedding, but if they missed that “window of opportunity”, they should go to the ceremony and object then.
In response to the minister, Day told CNS, “The marriage law has been modified with immediate effect by the chief justice and same-sex marriage is now legal. The minister of education’s call for objections to our marriage in writing/in person demonstrates a blatant disregard for the rule of law, and raises concerns of abuse of her position of power as a leader in our community. It also shows a complete disregard to the call from the premier urging everyone to act respectfully.”
In the LA on Wednesday, O’Connor-Connolly accused Chief Justice Anthony Smellie, who legalised same-sex marriage from the bench last Friday, of “judicial tyranny”, and did not hold back on expressing the religious beliefs fuelling her objections to the decision.
The debate was triggered by a private member’s motion tabled by Arden McLean (East End) and seconded by Anthony Eden (Savannah). It was moved up the order paper by the premier after he delivered a statement outlining the government’s intention to appeal the decision of the chief justice in the Day and Bodden same-sex marriage case.
The education minister labelled last Friday, the day the chief justice delivered his decision in the case that was heard in the Grand Court in February, as “Black Friday” and claimed it was another signal of the impending end of days, as she derided those who would dismiss her comments as religious bigotry.
But like many of the members who spoke in the debate about the judgment that delivered marriage equality for the Cayman Islands last week, she focused her debate on the opinion that the judge overstepped his powers when he changed the law. She suggested he had put the democracy here at “grave risk” and said the judgment was based on “foreign disciplines” coming from people who have an agenda.
“I just can’t find the words to adequately describe the tsunami — spiritual, social and otherwise — that has been going through this country since last Friday,” O’Connor-Connolly said. But she said that the legislature had started the “resurrection” after Black Friday with this motion and debate and the government’s decision to appeal.
Government is also seeking a stay to prevent the law from taking effect, but it is not clear that even if the attorney general was able to successfully receive such a stay from the Court of Appeal, it would be in time to prevent Chantelle Day and Vickie Bodden from marrying next week, as planned, or stall any other ceremonies where a same-sex couple has already received a licence.
It is not yet known how many local same-sex couples have so far applied to the General Registry for licences to marry, but CNS understands that a number were planning to do so in light of the chief justice’s ruling.
It is also understood that a number of Caymanians who have married overseas are now seeking to have their expatriate spouses listed as dependents, since those marriages have also been legitimised and recognised in law locally as a result of the CJ’s ruling, which currently still stands.
See Ask Auntie column: What are the rights of same-sex couples married overseas?
See the motion in the CNS Library
See the anti-gay marriage debate in the LA below on CIGTV
Category: Politics
Just waiting for International media to get a hold of this one! Heads will roll.
Hmm.. wonder what her bodyguard thinks of all this
Just what are you implying?
What a disgusting person, she is an absolute disgrace and should be removed from office. Shane on those who support her.
She should have been removed years ago. Does absolutely nothing but drain the taxpayers dollars. What an utter disgrace
Has this Cabinet of idiots actually filed an appeal via the Attorney General, or are they just imagining that they might come around to doing that one day in an effort to scupper these women? These are the continuing vile actions of heretics, cowards, and losers.
Once again our sorry excuse for an education minister shows hear glaring lack of a decent education. She should be relieved of her position immediately, and charges should be brought against her for this. Surely there is something in her employment contract which forbids her from making public statements like this.
If the Politicians and the Churches want to spend money on a lost cause for an appeal, they should have to pay for it out of their own pockets, not using taxpayer $$’s.
It won’t be that much, as the Court of Appeal will uphold the Judgement and I doubt the Privy Council will even entertain it.
Depends….the ever-patient and classy ladies hadn’t sought damages in the Judicial Review phase, but that patience might have limits. I probably wouldn’t be so noble this time around. I’d be counter-suing the Gov’s office, FCO, and each Cabinet minister individually on this continued BS.
I wonder if she’ll turn up driving a tarmac spreading machine!
JuJu’s paving company!
This 1 law will open up to a series of other laws Cayman is not prepared to deal with. I am with the protestors. This is not about siding with an MLA like Julie, this issue is about the FUTURE OF CAYMAM.
laws we are not prepared to deal with? we are not children. The only issue here is a generation on there way out that don’t want to give up power and cant stand the idea that the world has moved on from them.
What an outrage that Juliana O’Connor Connolly is Education Minister. Clearly, she’s only qualified to be Minister of Religious Bigotry. Ms. Connolly, you are wrong, wrong, wrong in your beliefs about same-sex marriage. How frightening that you have anything to do with educating young minds. I bet your ignorance is the direct result of weekly gaybashing spewed out by your pastor, whoever he/she may be. Well hear this, Ms. Connolly: Same-sex marriage is coming to Cayman — and you won’t be able to stop it. Three cheers for Vickie and Chantelle. My husband and I are also a same-sex couple, and we hope your wedding is a beautiful experience, as ours was!
Wait until it hits international media.
1049 worst thing about cayman is caymanians.
i bet you like the exchange rate tho
go back home den
nah…i’ll stick around and constantly highlight at the ignorance and hypocrisy of caymanian culture
How can i blame Dart for this?
1047 your comment has no substance i have a 18 and 14 year old daughter you should speak what you know and stop trying to justify SLACKNESS.
A top Government Minister inciting violence, how very Christian of her. All you Christians need to take a good look at yourselves, you are doing more harm to Cayman society, than any gay couple getting married ever could.
The persons planning to unlawfully attend an event to which they are not invited had best understand the law.
You do not show up unbidden at someone’s wedding so that Marvin Busybodden can “object” to the marriage.
You timely file them with the registrar, sworn and in writing, and subject to a forty dollar fine if they are frivolous:
25.
(1) Any person may notify his objection to an intended marriage by giving notice of objection to the Civil Registrar or Marriage Officer publishing the notice of banns.
(2) A Civil Registrar or Marriage Officer shall disregard all objections to an intended marriage not appearing on the face of the notice, unless-
(a) they are stated prior to the issuing of the certificate of publication:
(b) they are stated in writing by the person making the same; and
(c) the person making the same appears personally to lodge the same with the Civil Registrar or Marriage Officer, and in his presence makes and subscribes a declaration as nearly as may be in the form set forth in Schedule H, which the Civil Registrar or Marriage Officer shall endorse on the written statement of objection.
(3) With regard to objections timely and duly made, the following shall apply-
(a) Where the objection does not set forth a legal impediment to a marriage between the parties intending to solemnise marriage, or a refusal of consent on the part of any person whose consent is required to such marriage, the Civil Registrar or Marriage Officer shall suspend the issue of his certificate pending decision upon the objection, and shall consider the objection and make such enquiry thereabout as he sees fit, and himself decide thereupon.
(b) Where the objection sets forth a legal impediment to a marriage between the parties, or a refusal of consent on the part of any person whose consent is required to such marriage, the Civil Registrar or Marriage Officer shall refer the matter to a Judge of the Grand Court (who shall decide upon the same in as summary a way and as expeditiously as the circumstances of the case will permit), and shall suspend the issue of his certificate until he receives a certified copy of the Judge’s decision to the effect that the parties are not, in respect of the said objection, disqualified from contracting such marriage, or where the objection is in the nature of a refusal of consent that such refusal is unreasonable and ought not to interfere with such marriage.
(4) If it appears to the Judge that the objection, in case of an objection to a marriage, was frivolous and vexatious, he may condemn the party making it to pay, in addition to costs and all civil damages to which he may be liable, a fine not exceeding forty dollars, to be enforced in the same way as a judgement of the Grand Court.
Ladies and Gentemen: Our Minister for “Education”!
They say a fish rots from the head and our education system stinks!
Would love to know when and where the wedding is so I can protest the protesters with an “I’m with stupid <" or "love wins" sign! LOVE WINS!
This is more than your definition of LOVE. Yes, love wins, but with common sense ☝🏽
So now not only will be wasting government resources on a pointless appeal, we will also be wasting police resources while some jerks try and disrupt a wedding?? I will watch out for news if there needs to be a peace barrier but would rather they just be left alone to celebrate their special day.
Its people like Juliana that makes me feel ashamed to be Caymanian. So damn backward.
Well at least now we know what she learned at those Postal conferences. How to go postal.
Remember Juliana when your then unmarried partner was booked into hotels on government expenses.
woooooiiii mi belly!
So she’s not going to wash their feet for them pre-ceremony?
Elton John should come play at their wedding. I hear one Elton song can cancel out the effect of 1000 anti gay protesters.
Man, the couple should totally sell tickets to the wedding. Want to take a deck chair with a cooler of beers and watch it all unfold … and listen to Elton.
said it before….the worst thing about cayman is caymanians.
Agreed. And I’m as Caymanian as we can come. I’m ashamed that some of these people are claiming to be Christians, they’re obviously not the God-fearing type. Just so much hatred. You don’t hear a peep from none of these church people when we trying to get a sex registry or find out why there is not a mandatory sentence for crimes against children. I sin all the time and I take it to God. As we should all do if we are Christians. I don’t think the marriage law should be changed but I’m bright enough to know that we could have avoided this years ago if any of our legislators were aware that we are in the 21st century and that it’s better to make your own decisions than to be forced into a situation, case and point! We are so screwed. Then this idiot is going to call down violence on people….she does realize that 99% of Cayman knows where she reside right?! And if we can go and attack them for their sexuality on such an important day in their lives, I’m sure there are a thousand angry parents that would love to go look for her too.
Be careful what you wish on God’s people, that ish will come back ten fold.
I’m praying for us all but I’m going laugh when they boycott this little rock for our ignorance and hatred. We won’t have anyone to blame.
Those same bigots that talk so bad about people who are different and shun our Caribbean neighbours cause they feel we the best won’t have a pot to shit in when the UK cut ties with us and the rest of the world close off from us. Who would blame them?
These people are all Hippocrates; how can they keep thumping the Bible yet they want all these cheap underprivileged workers here to do everything for them. What does the good book say about human exploitation? What about how they sold out to Dart or whoever comes along with some money?
I agree and I am a Caymanian (not the paper kind either)
anywhere else in the world she would be removed from office…but not in this backward wonderland.
any comment from the governor????
Do you believe any of our other leaders should be removed? Just list them. We can take care of it at voting time.
Well she was still elected despite the bribing driveway fiasco on the Brac and the machinery taken from Grand Cayman was never returned but left on the Brac to rot.
I just hope the Education Minister shows up at the marriage herself to see what the vast majority of the public think of her in making this outrageous suggestion. In any civilized country she would be instantly dismissed for her vile comments.
What’s outrageous about it? Are you scared? It has always been the case that citizens in this society can object at any wedding? What’s wrong now? So gays can smile for the camera and enjoy the media backing their agenda but feel that they should be exempt from objections from persons making up this country?
11.32 am I just hope you are still single so I can show up at your wedding and object on the basis you are a religious bigot and too bad if it upsets the wedding party.
In the UK – objections (at any wedding) can only be for a legal reason. Same sex marriage is legal now – objections cannot be vexatious and per the Cayman Marriage Law (http://www.gov.ky/portal/pls/portal/docs/1/11526403.PDF)
“If it appears to the Judge that the objection, in case of an objection to a marriage, was frivolous and vexatious, he may condemn the party making it to pay, in addition to costs and all civil damages to which he may be liable, a fine not exceeding forty dollars, to be enforced in the same way as a judgement of the Grand Court.”
Yes there’s a $40 fine but the point objectors will face civil damages so think twice before turning up with your signs and hate speech. There’s no agenda here – just idiocy and stale bigotry. .
She does realize that she stole from the government coffers when she authorized the paving of private lots in the Brac right?? Theft is also a sin Juju!
Right!! See you in hell Juju!! Damn sinner!
The road to hell is PAVED with ….etc.
what a vile excuse for a human being. she looked like she just rolled out of bed
The auditor general revealed in his report [2014] that Ms. O’Connor-Connolly somehow managed to spend $34,000 in hotel charges on Cayman Brac, where she lives and has a home. He also raised questions (and eyebrows) when he referred to Ms. O’Connor-Connolly’s now infamous trip to Qatar, entourage in tow, to attend a postal conference where Cayman received a bronze award for the excellence of its postal service. And yet, to date [January 2015], neither Ms. O’Connor-Connolly nor her chief officer Kearney Gomez has been called before Mr. McTaggart’s committee to explain these expenditures.
11.24am In Britain all M.P. expenses are subject to close scrutiny and many have been caught out with dishonest claims, and a number of them even jailed for it. How come not a single MLA in the last 50 years has been caught fiddling expenses – a classic case of the Cayman mantra “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours”.
As is booking into hotels with your boyfriend on government expenses!
The Minister of Education (ironically) has demonstrated that rock bottom actually has a basement… just when I thought things couldn’t go any lower, an elected official has not only decided to tarnish a peaceful act of love between two consenting adults (one born caymanian one of caymanian decent) but is inciting people to disregard the law that these person have a right to marry, created a situation which could potentially become violent and promoted a culture of hatred and intolerance.
It perplexes me that this is where the Minister’s is currently focusing her passion and not on developing policies which would boost public schools performance from weak to excellent and reducing youth delinquency.
I appreciate the strong feelings on such a controversial matter, but respectfulness and intelligent discourse must be maintained, and that tone should be set by Law Makers.
Isn’t JuJu a lawyer? Her conduct and commentary against the Chief Justice make it appear that she should not be an officer of the court.
Maintain respectfulness and intelligent discourse? Not going to happen unless we vote out the disrespectful and unintelligent “leaders”!
Hypocrites on parade at the MLA.
You sat back and did NOTHING when these ladies came to you.
You sat back and did NOTHING when these ladies brought it to the courts.
Now you jump up and crying your world is ending because of your ineptitude, ignorance and self righteousness, you were left behind in the dust and your inner child is bursting forth.
MLA’s you all need to shut the hell up and live with the choices you should have made but had made for you.
They won, you lost, you got outsmarted, live with it.
Oh, very fitting words from the Minister of Education, teaching our children a very good lesson in incivility. Go to a wedding just to disrupt it. A fine lesson to be taught. What a XXXXX you are the Minister of Education, Youth, Sports, Agriculture and Lands, stick to your job description.
Exactly. Did not do a damn thing.
TO REITERATE: “For that alone she should be deemed unfit for purpose and removed from politics.”
I can only PRAY that my generation priorities registering to vote so we can remove these BIGOTS and sorry excuses for politicians from our government. WE DESERVE BETTER
As a Christian – so she claims to be, Ms O’Connor – Connolly, should know that God does not want us to judge others. God is going to judge us all in the end.
So all of those who say “thumbs down” to the above comment do not believe God will judge us?
Only when it’s convenient for their narrative.
As Christians, wouldn’t the best example to follow be Jesus’ example? Marriage is a divine institution but the social rights attached to it under the marriage law are civil constructs, aren’t they? What about a civil partnership law? What about giving civil rights without having to get into the divine aspect of marriage?
“Give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s…” Mark 12:17
I am certainly no theologian , but I thought I would share this thought.
No.
This is unacceptable conduct from a veteran elected official.
I obviously have my stance regarding the definition of marriage in the Cayman Islands and believe Civil Partnerships are the best way forward from this stand-off, however, I would NEVER support a proposal to interfere or disrupt the ceremony of a same-sex couple – or any other, for that matter.
– Whodatis
*Radical individuals, on both sides of the battle, often take things too far and carry the potential to rock the boat to the point of capsizing.
E.g. The Education Minister in Cayman’s instance and the gay UK education official seeking to inject mandatory LGBT and transgender lessons to primary school pupils in Britain.
For once I agree with you, who.
I as a straight person intend to show up and defend them. If a riot and/or violence is what she wants, then I will protect their rights.
An elected member instigating a riot between the people they represent.. Appalling.
How is the Minister reminding or in most cases informing the general public of their legal right to object to a wedding inciting violence or riots???? It is in the law of the Cayman Islands. She did not say to go and riot or commit violent acts at the proposed wedding….she said if you wish you can go and object. Voicing your objections is a legal tool and process. Persons talking about riots and violence same to be those who would forcefully and violently attempt to prevent a citizen from voicing their objection. The law says nothing about objectors being invited to the wedding. Finally an objection is not a violent act.
HOW ABOUT she use this same ENERGY for the molesters, murders, fornicators (HER PEERS) and crock shit Dart brings to the table. You do not deserve to claim Christianity and then blatantly choose when and when not to fight sin.
Agreed, apart from the disgusting “crock sh*t” reference.
This is the person in charge of education? That’s more a sign of the end of days than a gay marriage…
Proud of her
After spewing all that hatred she has the nerve to call people evil , sad day for these islands
No wonder our schools are failing. She’s too focused on other things rather than her job.
The absent person in charge of education who disregards everyone single voice of reason.
She needs to take a good look in the mirror. Cause she can’t throw stones at anyone, gay or straight!!!
CNS, I just refreshed the article and noted you updated it with “a response from Day”. where is the response from Day?
CNS: I inserted it after paragraph 2, but I’ve now highlighted it so it’s easier to find.
Does anyone else find it ironic that the most vocal opponents to this ruling had relatives that fought for equality and the rights currently being enjoyed by them only a few generations before?
good day 955
we the Cayman people cannot accommodate everyones way of life here just like how the Brits and Yanks dont like Muslims and brown people. You should go someware else and try to impose your lifestyle why not try Russia or the Middle east.
yall come to my country with your slackness and ridicule us because we dont agree. madness next yall will want to marry your pets. i would pray for yall but ill save my prayers for who really need them.
CNS: People in the UK and the US who are not bigots do not have negative feelings about “brown people” or people of any faith, including Islam, except for fanatics who harm, or incite harm on, others or seek to deny the rights of others. People who are not bigots don’t care what colour you are or what god you pray to. People who are not bigots and are not insane do not want to marry their pets.
“People who are not bigots and are not insane do not want to marry their pets.”
Tell ’em, CNS!
@10:17 you do realize one of those ladies is a CAYMANIAN. You just proved yourself self hating. Probably one of those men who go after the 16 and 17 year old girls that is so prevalent in Cayman.
Want to see the hate full side of a peaceful and loving Caymanian? Bring up a topic like this, bunch of one day Christians.
What part do you not understand, she is Caymanian just like you and has every right to fight for equality while you seem attached to your privilege and judgemental tradition. You have every right to voice your opinion but unless you are gay how will this affect your life?
https://cayblogger.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/julianna-oconno.html
Read this link. This is not the first time that this woman has spewed hatred in this country using her political position.
This makes me embarrassed to live here. I hate to say that because normally I feel so proud. This woman is disgusting. Her ideas are scary and the fact that she is education minister is horrifying.
I wonder what Austin Harris has to say about all this…
Who cares? He sold out so fast on just about everything he claimed he stood for.
He’s more into domestic violence affairs.
The saddest part is that she is the Education Minister.
Not the saddest. It is disturbing and outrageous.
It’s appalling that votes have become more important than Human Rights.
1. I am the Lord, your God.
2. Thou shall bring no false idols before me.
3. Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shall not kill/murder.
7. Thou shall not commit adultery.
8. Thou shall not steal.
9. Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. Thou shall not covet your neighbor’s wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).
The above are the 10 Commandments that we should live by. I do not see anything about homosexuality in this. THOU SHALT NOT COMMEIT ADULTERY. Plenty of that going on in this country with politicians, Christians and others. How come we not calling them out in the name of religion and beliefs and our culture.
And likewise, Homosexuality is against the Holy Law 👍🏼
And so is eating shellfish and wearing different fabrics together. You cannot cherry pick what part of the Holy Law you wish to accept and live by. Its all or nothing otherwise you are just as much a sinner and an abomination
That’s RIGHT! And to this very day SODOM & Gomorrah are salt pits and ashes where nothing grows or animals live. Check it out. God confirmed it in the Bible that he will make it desolate and to this day no man has or can change that. I pity you who try to change God’s law!
I reckon it just needs a bit of TLC like my back yard.
Honor thy father and thy mother…..
*Whomever your father may be.
This island needs a reality talk show… you are NOT the father, bobo.
But I don’t understand…you would think that the Christians want the end of days to come to meet their Lord. I’m confused Ju-Ju…don’t you want the end of days to come? Just being devil’s advocated (pun intended).
If objectors plan to disrupt this wedding, I will be there to show my support. Let love win!
Wow. Just wow. I cannot believe the outpouring of hate from “christians”.
It’s disgusting
And when the demonstrators show up at the event, I hope the police are called and the perpetrators are arrested for trespassing and disturbing the peace.
Along with the main instigator.. Mrs. O’Connor-Connolly. Arrest her hypocritical ass too.
Should have been done a long time ago. We wouldn’t have to deal with her babbling now if it was.
This wedding is well planned. So that when those attending the wedding protest against the marriage, their supporters will say on national TV, see these protestors are HATERS, THEY ARE AGAINST LOVE!
Watch and see
CNS: Just to be clear, you’re saying that the wedding is a clever plan to mock the people who show up uninvited to destroy their special day? Genius!
CNS thank you for standing up against this bigotry.
CNS you deserve the upmost respect! I know you guys get a lot of crap for reporting the news. I sincerely appreciate your efforts and I hope you continue to make a difference. This situation is such a shame and could have been avoided if any of our lawmakers knew what pro-active meant or had any sort of concern for their people. I’m ashamed at the reactions of my people and I pray that when some of them close their eyes to pray that the Lord will open their minds and remind them that hate is not the way. It never was and it never will be. Fear of the unknown has caused many wars. Thank you.
For that alone she should be deemed unfit for purpose and removed from politics. It is interesting that most of Cayman knows the gay MLA’s, the gay Pastors, and so on, and yet we have to listen to this type of garbage and witness the current state of affairs. Also amazing how the god-fearing among us hint at this societal tsunami, when in actual fact there isn’t, they’re simply in echo chambers, the vast majority of the nation couldn’t care less and are thankful fellow humans are being treated with dignity and respect they’d expect for themselves. If people wish to continue believing that any of the Testaments or any of the 000’s of gods or 00’s of religions (take your pick) are factual, that’s fine, but keep it to yourselves and try to bring some logic and reason into it, maybe even some compassion…the gay brigade are not going to harm your children, the dump, lack of education, cost of living, and global warming are ….
I’m with Julie 100%
Note: We are not inciting violence.
This is what others want you to believe.
We will be there to object the marriage.
We have the right to object!
Peace 🙂
Why don’t you go and object to the persons who are fornicating and committing adultery as well? Better yet, go to the bars on Friday and Saturday night and protest all the people leaving you have sinned by drinking in excess, at least then you might actually save a life… can’t do that at a gay wedding.. i’m just saying LOL
No, you’re bigoted trespassers. I hope the police is called and you all get arrested.
Bring your $40 with you…
(4) If it appears to the Judge that the objection, in case of an objection to a marriage, was frivolous and vexatious, he may condemn the party making it to pay, in addition to costs and all civil damages to which he may be liable, a fine not exceeding forty dollars, to be enforced in the same way as a judgement of the Grand Court.
Yes – and protesters – turn up the heat so you can maximize the civil damages law suit you’ll no doubt be getting slung your way.
Here’s the source fwiw:
http://www.gov.ky/portal/pls/portal/docs/1/11526403.PDF
She is not just Julie. She is incumbent Minister of Education.
It’s quite remarkable how you feel the need to object to a union that has nothing to do with you. How would you like someone to come to your house and point out everything that they think is wrong with how you live your life? Better yet a bunch of protesters just hanging out by your house doing that? Wouldn’t be cool if it were happening to you now would it? I fail to see how people call themselves Christians but yet they act in the most un-Christian like way. I call them one day Christians because during the week they spout of their beliefs to everyone and judge everyone all the while committing every sin that they can and come Sunday they ask for forgiveness. Like a free pass or something. Times change and so do laws otherwise we would be living with laws that still allow for black people to be slaves. Take a good look at your life and how you are living it and stop judging other people just because they don’t have the same belief system as you.
Ever notice all the people against gay marriage are ancient? Hopefully they all die of old age and we can pass sensible laws not based on bigotry and hatred.
most people die of old age, no need to hope
So it’s ok to incite hate of older persons and wish death on them?
That’s not inciting hatred, it’s science. People, if lucky, grow old and die. Stop instigating.
I find the ones that protest the most have secrets to hide.
What you do in the shadows will one day come to light.
Amen. Always the case