Cops on scene of daylight gang killing
Scene of shooting murder in George Town, 28 Nov 2016
(CNS): A local man has been shot and killed in what is believed to be a gang-related murder on the streets of George Town in broad daylight. Police have confirmed that the fatal shooting happened at around 11:45am near to the Globe Bar and the junction of Tigris Street and Martin Drive, in the central area of the capital, Monday morning. The RCIPS has not yet released any other information about the shooting and officers are now at the scene conducting inquiries.
The location of this latest murder has been at the centre of gang-related violence over the years. Last summer Jason Powery was shot and killed outside the same bar. Earlier this year brothers Osbourne Douglas (28) and Justin Ramoon were convicted of his murder.
The identity of the local man killed in the latest gang killing has not yet been confirmed but he is the second person to be murdered in Cayman in 2016. The first to be killed in the continuing gang violence this year was Justin Manderson, who was gunned down outside Seven Mile Shops, along the West Bay Road, in October. Although police had made some arrests regarding Manderson’s killing, no one has yet been charged with his murder.
Only back on island one year, didn’t last long, not surprised, had to face the same music he ran away from, Those who know inside stories know this one been very bad for very long and involved in many other very bad crimes/murders, it was only a matter of time before he met his fate too. What goes around comes around, karma is a b—ch!
To all the gangstas out there, this is your end if you don’t change your heart now and put down this nasty stupid ignorant foolish gangsta lifestyle. Be a real man! A real man abides by the law, works hard and provides for his family and treats his wife and kids well. That’s what a REAL MAN is! Grow the heck up!
At least no innocent people were hurt.
Shoulda stayed in the UK bobo or debo or whatever you called yourself.
How many shootings does it take on the same spot before they put working CCTV there?
Ask Eric Bush, RCIPS Gold Command and the Security Center
Funds are better spent protecting law abiding citizens.
Our crime-fighting capabilities and strategies are completely ineffectual. Even the obvious is overlooked to the point where one has to wonder if it’s not intentional.
Its sad these boys killing off each other, and leaving there family’s behind to bear the pain. But this one been in badness for a long time, time just caught with him. I remember him at a bar sometime ago when I came down for visit talking about someone else who was murdered and saying them man fi dead long time ago. Rejoicing at other people not nice. Isn’t that one hell of a thing. Never rejoice cause one day yours will cry for ya too. Sad to say. Feel bad for the mothers and fathers who bear the pain for there kids.
Where is the communityPolice patrol, SMH
He was always a thug that like easy life=laziness!
He is enjoying the cold weather in hell now. He made life hard for others, his sins finally cooled him down.
Between 1980 and 2005 (25 years) I believe we had about 12 – 15 homicides and these were committed by persons using firearms, knifes and machetes.
Between 2006 – 2016 (10 years later) and we’re still in the month of November, we’ve had 32 murders solely with the use of firearms.
This does not include persons who were actually hit and survived, persons who were shot at but luckily missed, cars and houses shot up, Robbery with the use of firearms etc….
Of the 32 persons that were killed, I would guess they had at least 100 – 120 offspring. It’s amazing to see some of their young kid’s (5 – 8 years olds) already using the same gangsta gestures on their parents Facebook page.
What an example that is being set and where will these kid’s be in another 10 years ?
As for the baby mamas, some of them have kids by the living and deceased gangstas – who were fierce enemies of each other. Can you imagine that !!
It’s sad to say but we are well on the way of becoming like Jamaica, Trinidad and Bahamas. Soon it will not be factual or convenient to say that were are the safest island in the Caribbean to live and work. Frankly speaking, I don’t see things turning around for the positive anytime soon.
Now that’s progressive
Sadly this is not highly unusual. As technology enhances and things like guns become more readily accessible, crime, a byproduct as such, tends to increase also.
Not sure if your stats are accurate but if they are 3.2 murders a year is still not bad although I would like to see it at zero.
The problem is we are not aggressive enough and our legal system, which is policing up to criminal prosecution and sentencing, is really in a poor state. Our police mishandles evidence, let’s cases sit for what seems like forever. Our lawyers not doing their jobs. Our judges playing too nice on serious cases.
It’s an all around problem to be honest.
Even when we catch them we can’t hold them or put them away and when we put them away it’s like a mini vacation instead of serious time out.
Our problems is like which comes first the chicken or the egg.
1. We have really lazy kids these days. Not all of them but there is a segment who are just too damn lazy to work and want easy money.
2. We got kids raising kids. And it’s both ways mentally and physically.
3. We have worthless parents producing kids who like their parents will end up the same way.
4. We have an education system that is letting kids fall thru the cracks. Kids should have to meet a certain standard before being about to move from one school system to the other. I would let them repeat one year and if they fail then they go into a special system until they are brought up to standard.
5. I believe we should have a government work program for offenders. This is a mandatory program for all offenders of drugs, robbery and various other crimes. If an offender fails he returns to prison for 6 months and after is granted a 2nd chance. We have to force them to be able to properly return to society or they will return to jail. After successful integration they must wear an ankle bracelet for 3 years minimum.
6. Steering Cayman Straight Program – A Public/Private partnership
Elements – 1. Housing 2. Education 3. Mentoring/Training/Social Services
For businesses we will offer incentives such as preferential treatment for work permits, customs, etc. They will also be recognized locally. It’s in their best interest to have Cayman safe for customers and for their businesses.
For government they need help and having private sector assist in whatever way they can shares the load and creates real dynamic ideas at how to tackle the problems we face. Social services needs more funding also as they will play a vital role in this fight.
The focus will be on kids who are in real bad situations such as drug using parents, abuse, etc
I would make part of #5 involved in building homes for #6.
If we all sit and think about our problems we can come up with ingenious solutions it just really takes thinking and then funding. I believe if we create an incentive laden program we can get businesses involved.
Alden? Wha ya say, uncertain times? Care to make a statement? Nah? Because you and the rest of your Ivory Tower crew do not care about your fellow Caymanians.
Mr. Eden ?
Business as usual
It’s sad when three words can sum up the kind of A-hole you are. Three words can tell us, or me at least, everything I would ever care to know about you. That you are a judgmental, holier-than-thou, condescending POS that’s never struggled a day in your life. “Business as usual”…you have no idea what these people go through…the dead or their killers…if shit in your life had progressed to the point where you have to look over your shoulder every waking moment, you might kill, too. Get back up on your high horse, and ride away. Very, very far away.
A criminal career path is a choice. Fact.
Exactly! This was his chosen career path for a long time too. I dunno why some ppl acting like he was some saint. I was not at all shocked to hear of his killing. I was more surprised it took this long.
Your response is way too emotional. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Why should normal law abiding citizens care about idiots who choose the thug life?
A lot of you people that have opinions and a lot to say don’t know what you talking about. A lot of people think cayman have gangs with rules and regulations and colors like the blood and crips, but that is far from the truth. With everyone thinking its Ganga on gang violence that’s why these crimes can’t get solved because they are not Gangs in cayman. I be in street so I know. The cliche is to say it’s gang crime in cayman but that’s far from trurth. If you tell me the gangs names and thier locations, I will break it down and tell you that’s not the case.
What in the actual F**K are you going on about? You “be in street” ? That’s not surprising. You sound like a complete idiot. Go back out in the street, or anywhere besides this thread. If you do actually “be in street” and don’t know there are gangs in Cayman, you’re not much of a thug, are you?
Being in the street is doesn’t mean being in criminal activity. Listen if you there are gangs please tell me the signs and colours and symbols that these so called gangs used….. listen u can run your mouth all that you want but sitting behind a CPU won’t solve this issue.
“I be in the street so I know”……grow up and get a job and contribute to society and your country. You sound like an idiot.
You are one of the dumbest mofo’s I’ve come across on CNS comments section in a while. Kudos to you!
Whether there are “organized” gangs or not, what we see here and what is taking place is gang-inspired behavior whether they have names, colors, codes or rules.
They sit on the side of the road by bars, people fear them, they handle illegal weapons/guns, bully and rob people, do not make honest livings and everyone on the “street” knows who they are and what they are about.
Gang – “an organized group of criminals.”
And if you disagree that Cayman has organized groups of criminals then it shows how easily our young people can get sucked in to this kind of lifestyle without even realizing or acknowledging that they ARE indeed members of a gang and walking a fine line between long life and brutal death.
The ONLY fast solution to this issue is to close down ALL businesses that provide the kind of environment that encourages these activities (especially the Globe bar and that crappy one in BT) and begin transferring families out of the neighborhoods (starting with families with children under 16), the crime and poverty stricken neighborhoods need to be downsized and the children growing up in these areas MUST be removed in order to avoid future “gangstas” coming up.
Once the families are removed to another location, they should be visited weekly by social service workers, police and provided with compulsory parenting and child development classes, as well as counselling and career training for the children until the last/youngest child is off to college.
The parents or responsible adults should also be made to have random drug testing right at home and incentives for proper parenting should be provided (perhaps a chaperoned family trip annually if the children excel in their school studies and the parents/guardians attain specified goals in their own achievements).
Any children within the said households who are not at the proper educational level should be enrolled in to one of the many tutoring facilities available island-wide or Government create a program within the schools and yes, Gov will have to pick up the tab on all of this.
This may all sound like providing additional handouts, but please consider the below figures:
The average family of 4 -6+ that receives government assistance from the NAU is provided with a maximum of $15,000 per YEAR for groceries (max $180 bi-weekly), accommodation (max $650 per month – know anywhere rent-able for that price for a family of 6?) and school supply assistance (3 uniforms per child, per year) with minimal help with utilities (if any); and yet ONE prisoner is commanding over $70,000 per year from the government budget – priority issues?
Whether it is a parenting problem or not, the reality is these parents were brought up in the same or worst abusive and deprived environments, they know no more than what they are in and proceed to drag their own children up in the ever-increasing hostile and decaying environment within these less fortunate areas; what else is to be expected?
Shut the ghettos down one family at a time! Cayman can consider itself fortunate that the size of our so-called “ghetto areas” are laughable in comparison to others around the world – if this issue had been publicly acknowledged 20 years ago and a process similar to the one suggested above implemented, the headlines would not read as they do today.
Give the members of these deprived communities something better to look forward to. Put the parents in to trade lessons or set them up with a little booth at the craft market to sell homemade goods to raise cash to supplement the gov assistance.
The process of getting gov assistance in Cayman alone is degrading and discouraging and it leaves people with a deepened sense of worthlessness and neglect. These people need hope and to be shown that ‘they’ have not been forgotten during the government and islands’ quest for international praise.
They are well aware the community looks down on them; that they do not fit the socialite’s idea of a good person, the children are raised being screamed at, abused, starved and rushed all the days of their lives.
The kids are all too happy for the moments they can sit on the “block” with any others who are gathered there in order to escape leaking rooftops, dilapidated home interiors, violent parents, empty cupboards or homes with no running water or electricity – what would you do as a 9 year girl or boy in such a situation? What about a 12 year old girl having her first menstrual cycle with no running water to have a bath after school or money for sanitary supplies? What about the baby that cannot get a warm bottle?
Laws should be rewritten to make provision for compulsory sterilization of ANY male with more than three children who is not gainfully employed and who has a criminal history. Teenage girls should be provided a median to discuss sexual activities and be able to confidentially opt for long-lasting birth control that they cannot forget to take or remove themselves (the implant under the arm comes to mind).
The tens of millions of dollars Government gives away every year in concessions could be used to accomplish this. Obviously when a bunch of desperate kids, parents and people are crammed in to one tight “central” location it is going to literally “breed” problems and criminal activity.
This is not rocket science, this is human nature and survival. No one asks for this kind of existence, but human nature dictates that the human way to cope is to ACCEPT – everyone in these neighbors have had to accept their circumstances and live accordingly. When one accepts such a living, all hope has diminished and therefore there is nothing positive left within that person that can be passed on to the little child who did not ask to be there.
Only comment on CNS that is based truly on fact, and what really goes on. Well said, MM. PLEASE post this everywhere. This needs to be a featured comment. Too many people blaming,and giving up and not enough people thinking about genius ways that can truly change the situation.
@7:14 pm – “I be in street” – That has to be one of the funniest comments I’ve read on CNS ever!! Thanks for the laugh.
So it goes live by the Guns Die by the Guns.
And yet another pompous POS that blithely blows off a human life with the flick of a(most likely) well manicured hand…And just so you know…its not “guns” it’s GUN…Live by the gun, die by the gun. Just saying. Don’t try to use thug slang, just don’t. “So it goes” , you say? Suppose this was your son, and in your heart you know that because of your own insufficient attempt at parenting, that son was dead today? That because of where you were born and the life you were taught to live, you passed those same lessons onto your offspring? And that offspring was killed today? And that even though you know you were a sh***y parent, you did the best you could with what you had been given and loved that offspring, no matter how fu**ed up he was? How about just making an attempt, no matter how pathetic, to put yourself in someone else’s shoes for once? POS.
If it were my son he would have been raised to know right from wrong and he certainly would never have dreamt about joining a gang and hurting the people he loved and who loved him or anybody else for that matter.
If you choose a thug life then I have zero sympathy for you. You have no right to call people POS because they do not have sympathy for thugs/criminals or killers. If you were a sh***y parent then you have also only yourself to blame. Why should other people feel sorry for you for your poor/bad choices in life. Take responsibility for yourself. Life is tough.
It’s people like you that make excuses for these wanna-be thugs that really disgusts me. Lots of people didn’t have the best upbringing and rise above their circumstances to become a productive member of society. Deebo was not, did not and chose to be a criminal instead and is now headed 6 feet under at 34 years old; not due to his health, a car wreck, debilitating disease or accidentally getting caught in cross fire.
@ 2:04 am – How about they stop playing the victim, and start taking responsibility for themselves and their offspring….if you know your life complete shit, you have no ambition but prefer to play the victim…why in God’s name would you bring children into your crap existence to suffer along with you?
Why is it that those that are the most ill-suited to become parents can’t stop breeding like a bunch of rabbits? Ever heard of birth control? It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that adding a child to your pathetic life is only going to make things worse.
Too bad we don’t have mandatory sterilization….a bit radical and a very slippery slope….but when people refuse to take responsibility for themselves, refuse to work and depend on government for everything…..and the rest of society has to pay for it one way or another, to hell with you. You’re a useless POS.
And they say the Republic of West Bay is where all the fire and bang bang a go on ??
Who do you think was doing the shooting?
Well, the new COP is getting an early introduction to the challenges of policing gang culture.
Cue comments about ‘ wannabe gangstas ‘ . People going around killing each other ,now in daylight when there are plenty of innocent people around that could be hit by stray bullets does not make them ‘ wannabe’ anything . As usual there will be no witnesses , arrests without charges ,or arrests charges and the killer walks free from court after being found not guilty by a jury of his ‘peers’ ( only to be shot himself in 6 months time ) anyway lets blame jamaicans/brittish/thegays/atheists and hope that it doesn’t make the press outside of Cayman so we can all pretend that this place is paradise and reap in the tourist dollar.
You can dislike it or call me a troll all you want , or you can tell me which part of what I have said isn’t true ? ….nope , thought not
Ok, Mr. I-Know-Nobody-Will-Dare-Challenge-My-Know-It-All-Insight…not sure what kind of comments you thought you might get about “wannabe gangstas” (???) but for God’s sake I hope no one blames the gays, because, I myself – being one of that persuasion – would find it absolutely DREADFUL to think of one of my like-minded brethren running around wantonly in a drug area shooting people. Believe me, it wouldn’t be a “gay”. A “gay” would NEVER dream of risking his Armani shoes or his raw silk Valentino shirt to pull off something like this. Just saying. But I digress. How exactly do you expect the police to make an arrest without evidence? And why would you expect a man (or woman) to give witness when they themselves know it could cost them their lives? Would you? You seem to be a very angry person. If you do not like the fact that Cayman survives off the tourist dollar and must – for the sake of that survival – do what it must to protect it’s reputation, then why are you here? Leave! Please! Feel free! There’s a big world out there that is full of angry people. You’ll fit right in.
What does this have to do with the British, gays or atheists?
Nothing , like most things don’t ..but they still get the blame for most things if you read this page or listen to crosstalk.
SMH…
Now there’s an intelligent reaction. And typical. If the people who say they want this country back so badly would do more to make change and less sitting around shaking your heads, maybe things would actually change. How about getting off your ass? It takes the same amount of energy as shaking your head.
Smack my head, not shake. A gesture of incredulity at stupidity shown by others, not a resignation and acceptance. You SMH when someone else does something that seems incredibly stupid, irrespective of their ability to do something else. It has nothing to do with what you yourself could do – straightforward criticism of others – who implicitly have the power to do the right thing. You are criticising the poster for being critical , when the poster may have no power or ability to produce a different outcome – understand the difference. Its like criticising people who voted against Trump for not doing something when they disagree with his policies. What do you suggest the poster does about gang violence or the polices inability to control it?
Come back when you can make sense. Until then take a seat in the “Idiots With Nothing Useful to Say” section.
Tragic; but is anyone surprised? As long as it continues to take 10-20 mins for police to dispatch from a central station rather than from a local community patrol, we should expect more brazen and escalating daylight lawlessness.
The building-shaking, hours long, unchallenged, 100+ wheelying stunt bike mob in our hotel-tourism district yesterday was a perfect example of a dangerous phenomenon sweeping urban communities where police are known to be absent or disengaged. It’s a symptom of a problem, as are the daylight gangland “retribution” shootings.
The bottom line is that the tourists that observe, hear, or read about these anarchistic scenes do not feel safe as a result. The solution starts with community patrols (at min or hotel tourism zone) and a predictable and functional traffic department. Hovering “stealth” choppers are not the answer. Citizens and visitors need to have the impression that there is a concern (on the ground) to protect peace, law, and order and be readily available to assist if there is a need. The public have requested these patrols repeatedly for years…will our new CoP hear us?
Gas ’em up and RIDE!!!!!! And when they empty, gas ’em up again!!!!!!!!!
I’m from the States, I own a Dive Shop and Grand Cayman used to be one of our yearly destination trips (for 12 years straight). I stopped offering this package last year because of the increase in violence. I may not live there, but I have plenty friends on island and I also pay attention to sites like CNS…sound like you have a police issue too. I hope the leaders there pay attention to your Caymanian voice regarding the tourist industry – before things really take a nose dive…
How can anyone from the States be alarmed at violence in any other country. This is our second fatality for the year in this manner, how many have there been in your community? You just elected one of the most hate filled and bigoted people as your president. Your whole existence is built on violence. The USA became what it is by violently taking a country from its rightful owners then violently enslaving other people to do the work you were too lazy to do yourself and YOU are passing commentary.
Anyone who grew up in Cayman or made an effort to look beyond the flashy news headlines into the harsh realities knows what is really happening. Black men in Cayman are not guided as they should and they end up making decisions that can only end them up in jail or dead. When we overlook blatant socio economic issues, sweep them under the rug they show up in these ways. The retaliatory nature of these incidents is extremely scary for such a small island. Our Caymanian community (inclusive of residents regardless of where they hail from) have to address these issues, don’t wait for Government to come up with an answer. We have to teach our kids better and give them purpose so this lifestyle doesn’t have the appeal it does now. We need better educational resources and special needs resources so young kids get the support they need to be productive members of society. WE have to be the solution because as you see from above at 4:23 people like that poster only care what earns them a buck and when things get tough they will pull out of Cayman. The Cayman dollar is appealing to them and that is it. So its our community who has to address these issues.
Although I agree that the annual bike ride on Sunday was a bit caotic and that the riders should have been more cautious! What would you prefer? Those 100+ young men ride and enjoy themselves or would you prefer they all pick up guns and join these so called gangs! Our community cannot manage the violence as it is. Bike stunting is no comparison to brazen daylight murders.
so its one choice or the other?????…..smh
Lawless idiots do not have permission to endanger the public and terrorize our streets. Their clear distain for peace, law and order will have a direct and measurable impact on one of the two primary pillars of our economy. You think things are tough for little spoiled Johnny now…keep justifying this ignorant self-defeating indulgent economic suicide.
What makes you think that the bike riders blatantly breaking the law were not gang members, or that the police blatantly failing to enforce the laws does not encourage youngsters to break the law.?
7:54 just hope they kill the same elve wheelying and we will get rude if them too.
That motorcycle mob came by my house yesterday in east end. You could see the police helicopter following them as they came through boddentown/ breakers and then it turned off and flew away. I thought maybe some ground units would be following them at that point but never saw a one of them. I guess they were just enjoying watching them ride, no intention of intervening.
The RCIPS needs to make a public statement with an accounting of where their 400 officers were – because they were not in the field on Sunday. It was a Mad Max movie for HOURS. One of the top 5 worst days I’ve seen in Cayman (and that includes the post-Ivan Marshall Law/nightly curfew period). How many citations were actually written by the service on Sunday, if any?!?
Badness don’t pay! Children take note……
Parents train up your children in the way they should go. Stop dragging them up.
Also, don’t let them grow up to be Cowboys.
Merry Christmas Central
Cayman needs more hash punishment laws not just a slap on the wrist and a couple years at Hotel Northward where the tax payers has to pay 65,000 ci $ per year for them. The tax payers has to pay the debt to society not the bad guys.
Cayman needs what it has needed for the last 30+ years: proper parenting (won’t happen because the local men are useless and the women are unable to cope), more sensible choices by women in their sex lives (wont happen because there are so many low esteem women who think their only reason for living is to be an orifice for a useless man), a turning away from blaming it all on foreigners (wont happen because many Caymanians-especially the bible belt ones- just cannot believe there are so many evil young men and women, born Caymanians, in these ‘blessed Christian Isles”).
The influence for some of the weak had to come from outside/external sources friend.
Well unless you live in North Korea that will always be the situation
Best comment yet. Straight up. This country so busy trying to keep up with America that they have become completely useless to themselves. Cayman is like a mother with 10 illegitimate kids that is hooked on crack and spends all day supporting her habit. The kids raise themselves while the parents (the mother – maybe, because there’s rarely a father) entertain themselves with everything EXCEPT their kids. Reproduction here is some kind of sick status symbol…for HIM, that he makes as many children as possible, and for HER…that she has a baby for some thuggish POS so that she can call him her “baby daddy” and dress the kid up in the latest name brands…there is little thought to the actual child as a human being that needs care, affection, attention and direction…something is wrong with this country, dreadfully wrong. You can build as many churches as you want. God exists but he sure as hell isn’t here.
Yes of course God exists and he is here fyi. The Flying Spaghetti Monster never takes a break.
BANG – Right on Target. Of course, no one will put any stock into your comment, but it does hit right between the eyes and says it all…
I completely agree with these comments. A decent education system would go a long way toward solving the problem too.
All I want for Christmas is world peace and a bullet proof vest for certain parts of GT and Westbay.
I don’t mean to sound flippant, someone’s son or daughter has died…and for them it is a tragedy, and I feel for them.I just don’t get one thing. I am pretty certain the police know who these gang members are, why can’t they get one massive warrant and search all gang members homes/cars etc and put a load more punks off the street? Probably a naïve comment…
Yes, yes it is. But it’s not stupidity that makes you say what you’ve said, it’s ignorance. I appreciate your attempt, however, at concern and your question is legitimate and has weight. But…if you were to consider that the police and the gangs are tied together in a power play, and that the gangs and their activity go hand in hand with corrupt policing, you would better understand the dynamics that allow the game of cat-and-mouse to go on…and on…and on…police make a show of raiding and mass arrests and “being present” in drug areas…but would you bite the hands that feed you, or cut it off? Not in any significant way. You might NIP at that hand…GROWL at that hand…but in the end, it feeds you, after all. You know it, and your superiors know it, and the gangs know it. They also know who to turn a blind eye to and who can be eliminated without causing too much of a stir. Why do you suppose it is the same criminals arrested over and over again, yet some known members and dealers that NEVER get arrested? Like EVER…When you have a police force of officers that are 110% legit then you would see a change in gang activity/drugs/killings on this island. Until then, keep dreaming.
Poor guy. Probably just went home for some lunch after an honest morning of work and this happens.
Wrong! GTs hitman known by police and beleive to have killed at least 5 people over the years.
One less gangster on our roads.
Great day for Cayman’s Police dept and less money spent for this person in NW!
Never mind this… How about those gay folks trying to get married?? *SHOCK* *HORROR*
Just as bad
Still waiting for the anti-child abuse rally but it seems consenting adults who love one another is more an important concern to the people who believe in wizards and talking snakes. No surprise either.
Unfortunately, Im sure there will be a retribution killing. Im sure there are several people in Cayman who know specifically who did this, but gang-code will mean no one will say anything.