CoP: No evidence of third party in Myles’ death
(CNS): The mysterious death of the deputy director of CIMA, Judiann Myles (47), will be determined by a coroner’s court, Police Commissioner Kurt Walton revealed at a press conference on Thursday. He said that after an investigation involving numerous international forensic professionals and layers of evidence, and based on all the information at hand and the evidence gathered, “no third party” was involved.
Refusing to give any information about the findings or the conclusions of the police investigation that led to foul play being ruled out, or even the actual cause of death, Walton simply stated that the case would now be examined by the coroner and it would be up to that court to make the official determination on how Myles died.
Detective Superintendent Pete Lansdown confirmed that Myles’ body was found in the driver’s seat of her burned-out vehicle. The car and her body were discovered by police in a remote area of Lookout Gardens in Bodden Town on 3 April.
Despite the refusal of the senior officers to give any other information or discuss any of the findings of their “protracted and complex” investigation, which lasted some three months, the implication was that Myles took her own life, even though the police have previously stated that the car in which she was found was deliberately set ablaze.
Walton said that the family had been kept informed throughout the investigation and had been told about the decision regarding the “high-profile case” earlier on Thursday, and he offered his condolences to them for the “tragic incident”, which had involved multiple lines of inquiry and experts.
“We are at the point… where we are not looking at third-party involvement, and the file will be submitted to the coroner,” Walton told the media. “It is not my role to determine the cause of death, and as such, I cannot discuss cause. This is for a coroner’s inquest, where the case will be properly adjudicated,” he said.
As a result of the decision, it could now be many months before the case will be heard in the Coroners Court and the circumstances of Myles’ death are aired in a public arena.
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The investigation of a murder, particularly that of an AML head, requires a comprehensive and coordinated approach, encompassing standard homicide investigation procedures alongside specialized considerations related to the victim’s role in combatting financial crime.
Given the victim’s profession, investigators examine their work, including open investigations and suspicious activity reports. Potential motives related to financial crimes or organizations the victim was investigating are explored. Cooperation with financial intelligence units and law enforcement agencies specializing in financial crimes is often necessary, especially in cases involving cross-border money laundering. Financial investigations involve examining financial records and collaborating with regulatory agencies to uncover fraud. This process may include gathering information about assets, liabilities, income, and expenses from various sources, such as online resources, government agencies, financial institutions, and business competitors.
Witnesses who may have relevant information are interviewed. Digital forensics plays a crucial role in modern investigations, with the collection and analysis of digital evidence like cell phone records, emails, and social media becoming increasingly important in both murder and financial crime cases.
Investigators analyze the victim’s background and relationships to identify potential motives and suspects. Suspects’ alibis and potential motives are investigated. Behavioral analysis may be used to help identify suspects. Regular review of evidence helps investigators identify gaps and develop new leads.
Kurt Walton really is unfit for his position.
You are really finding it difficult to provide a sensible explanation that would convince me that she wasn’t murdered!
Electronic device started a fire, my backside!
why dont you wait until the corner inquest before jumping to outrageous conclusions and blaming the RCIPS.
It takes 2 years in Cayman
Scotland Yard! H. E. And Hon Premier – pass this case to Scotland Yard.
If it was murder related to her position in CIMA, Scotland Yard will find themselves impotent
Sorry, do not understand. If Scotland Yard were to become involved, do they only have “power” for investigations relating to The UK such as Great Britain [England, Wales, and Scotland], and N. Ireland, but not in lands such as Cayman which is known as BOT? Does your reference to “impotent” mean that SY cannot conduct any investigation, or that they would be without power to do anything about the results of the essential investigation itself? Is there no authority that they could turn over the results to within any governing body relating to “her position in CIMA”? Sorry, this is a non-Caymanian asking. Thanks.
It’s astonishing just how many experts on mental health with all its sometimes tragic outcomes that we have on this tiny island and, moreover, who contribute to CNS.
I have a bridge to sell you. It runs from Cayman Brac to Grand Cayman.
Oh, ok then?
It’s amazing how people jump to conclusions. Nobody said this was a suicide. Additionally, nobody said the fire was the cause of her death. There are several unusual sequences of events which could have occurred which could result in someone being rendered unconscious, unresponsive or having passed away from some cause, followed by a car fire. There are also sequences that could include someone committing suicide from one cause, and having the car ignite subsequently. Are people’s minds really so narrow as to jump from “no evidence of a third party” to “she committed suicide by fire” and leave out the universe of other possibilities for the condition in which she was found?
When RCIPS hides basic information, what people are supposed to think?
Jumping to conclusions is not thinking. Don’t outsource your thought process to the RCIPS.
In my opinion I think the CIPS has drawn a conclusion too soon. I am very much cognisant that the Public and family needs answers asap but more exploring needs to be done. The how, why, when and where still to me is unsatisfactory, and Kurt and his cronies are NOT qualified and experienced enough for cases of this nature. Go back to the drawing table and start afresh. Get external assistance from other jurisdictions who can lay the groundwork. Something still not adding up, causing me not to be convinced.
I have a feeling the Coroner won’t be satisfied with your presentation.
Set of incompetent morons.
Having the car ignite subsequently? Are you for real?
Yes, I am for real. As are cell phone battery fires in cars:
https://kfor.com/news/my-car-literally-burned-up-phone-battery-explodes-inside-womans-vehicle/
OKLAHOMA CITY – A phone battery explodes inside a metro mom’s car and fire crews say the difference between what could have been life or death was a rolled up window.
Common sense prescribes that it is very unlikely that someone deceased will set their own car on fire after the fact. Especially when there is a second car of interest on CCTV, and noting the enforcement agency occupation of the deceased. The public needs more info on what the police are relying upon to so easily dismiss these factors. It’s very unsettling otherwise.
I’d love to hear just three other possibilities from this universe you speak of.
Sure. A person may fall ill from all sorts of causes and become disoriented. Whether from a stroke, cardiac episode, or any number of illnesses, a person can become faint. If driving a car, such a person might pull over somewhere thinking it is a momentary episode that might pass. If such a person were to pass out or worse, from a medical episode of some kind, then leaving a rechargeable battery device, like a cell phone charger, connected and unattended in a car can start a fire. And, merely because another car may have been seen in the vicinity is itself meaningless.
I’m not saying that is what did happen. But the fact of finding a person deceased in a car which has burned does not by itself dictate a conclusion that foul play was involved. Nor does it required that the fire was the cause of death. Nor does it require that the person committed suicide.
Al Catraz @ 4/11:24am – Sure! Don’t forget spontaneous combustion.
That’s probably it, the lady bought a container of gas, drove to the wilderness, sat in her car and spontaneously caught fire. The gas in the container was just collateral fuel.
There, solved!
Or found a quiet place to park during a momentary medical episode of some kind, passed out, and a rechargeable battery device left plugged in overheated. I don’t see why you believe this is something to joke about.
Who is asking for this to go away? Who are these police answering to? What does that mean for the safety and stability of the jurisdiction?
CIPS does NOT deserve its Royal charter!!
Remember, at first this same police department said Alyssady Powell’s death was not suspicious, until her mother hired private investigators. So now they have her alleged murderer?
Let’s see how well that works out.
Link to the article where the police said the death was not suspicious?
They never said it wasn’t suspicious. The initial, preliminary assessment was it was “an unnatural death, not consistent with drowning”.
Further in-depth analysis by other specialists arranged by police found that there was evidence of strangulation. (This analysis was separate from the private specialists arranged by the mother).
The girl died July 2022. In April 2023 RCIPS announced they were aware that the mother had commissioned an independent forensic examiner. In May 2023, 10 months after the death RCIPS arranges the expert forensic review that determines the cause of death as murder. So what exactly were they doing for those 10 months if they thought the death was suspicious? Call me a cynic, but i wonder if they would have arranged the additional forensic review had the mother not arranged hers first.
Royal Charter? Not will the class of incompetent, imported common labourers dressed up in stripes.
Senior CIMA official dead. Senior reporter missing. Nothing to see here and 2+2=5.
Most likely the Police suspect exactly the culprit(s) but for now need time to ensure perpetrator(s) can’t get away with it. Everything can be reopened. Look at the poor child in the Brac.
patience. Not great, but needed. they’ll get the evidence they need to be assured of a conviction.
Sorry but there is no way on earth someone would choose to kill themselves in that manner.
Not uncommon at all
Yes, when combined with witnesses and a statement of purpose. Of all the possible methods, it’s in the least desirable end of the spectrum. There is no reasoning for doing that in a remote area. The only people that burn vehicles out there are murderers trying to dispose of victims, their car, and burn all their DNA and prints in the process – to send a message. It’s a Sinaloa cartel calling card.
Really? Got some evidence for that assertion?
Wow! Absolutely no way. There can’t be that many people who have the clout to have a murder swept under the carpet. That’s terrifying.
The police had given up on the death of the toddler in Cayman Brac as well. Only because of the mothers determination for justice has an arrest been made. We all know that something more sinister happened to this lady as well.
I have no words that can be expressed in this forum without being censored. Seriously.
So who is the second party involved???
Her.
1st Party – Death (Cause)
2nd Party – Victim (Person)
3rd Party – Killer (Perpetrator)
You sound convincing, but so do most people who are wrong. In a fight the first party and second party are the two people fighting, and a third party is someone else, who perhaps intervened or merely observed. Death is never a party, but thanks for sharing your ignorance.
They can’t be right, more seriously.
Um no. You have no understanding of these terms at all. Assuming you work for RCIPS.
Assuming, understanding terms? Seriously the deeper ‘you’ go…try make sense, even if simply common. FU2
Sounds like the police are either completely incompetent OR they were instructed to sweep it under the rug. Not sure which is more scary… Probably the latter.
Thirty-two self-immolation deaths by fire, representing about 1% of suicides, occurred in the province of Ontario (population 9 million), Canada, from 1986 through 1988. The victims, mostly male (male/female ratio, 26:6), were between 21 and 71 years old (mean age, 38 years). Although the scene of self-immolation was usually familiar to the deceased, some chose remote locations. Eleven were found dead in motor vehicles. An accelerant, usually gasoline, was used in most cases. Many of these individuals had, at some time, indicated their intent to commit suicide, a few by self-immolation, but only about half had a diagnosed psychiatric illness. Most of the victims had a reason to kill themselves, but the factors that motivated them to chose self-immolation by fire were uncertain. Fourteen individuals died in hospitals from severe burn complications. The remainder were found dead at the scene. The postmortem findings of soot in the airway and elevated carbon monoxide in the blood of most of these victims [the carboxyhemoglobin (COHb) concentration was in one case less than 10%, in ten cases greater than or equal to 10 to 50%, and in seven cases greater than 50%] were helpful in determining that the individuals were not only alive at the time of the fire but also that a significant number died from smoke inhalation and carbon monoxide poisoning. The highest levels of carbon monoxide were observed in victims discovered in motor vehicles.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1545201/
RCIPS must disclose the findings of the investigation.
thank you – a decent post by a sensible person.
Google AI couldn’t find a single case of committing a suicide by setting oneself on fire in a car.
Nobody said she committed a suicide by setting herself on fire in a car. Nobody said the fire was the cause of her death. Nobody said her death was not accidental.
So, why are you looking for instances of “a suicide by setting oneself on fire in a car” when nobody said that is what happened?
Nobody said anything. They want people to forget. Why? What her family, loved ones, co-workers are saying? Nothing? Impossible.
“ This is for a coroner’s inquest, where the case will be properly adjudicated.”
If “they” want people to forget, then why will there be a coroner’s inquest?
if I was the killer reading this id be like thank god these police n everyone on the island is so laid back n stupid , good work immigration you let in so much , now they even care if locals are murdered , if I was the killer I’d be like man they are so stupid im gonna kill again and im gonna set the car on fire again and choose a caymanian again and they are gonna say the person killed them selvs XXXX
I wish we didn’t have to have these conversations, however suicide does happen in this manner, hard as it is to imagine, the first person I knew that took their life did it in this manner not in a car but in a yard in west bay, she was only 27 years old , the mind can take humans to some really dark places, if this wasn’t the case with Judiann hopefully whoever is responsible will be brought to justice.
I’m sorry, but by any standards, it’s highly unlikely she drove to a remote location, set her own fire and sat in the car till it burnt out. C’mon now. As a female who lived near the location for years, memories of Estella remain fresh on my mind and I find the situation highly unsettling.
Absolutely! It us mire than scarey!
I don’t know what is REALLY going on but something is not right with the implications in this announcement. It is likely that we will never know the truth of what happened to this wonderful lady; who worked so hard and gave her best to her country. It is so very sad, especially for her children, husband, other family, friends and coworkers. Nevertheless, I pray that the truth will be exposed and that her soul rests in peace.
This is the weirdest conclusion ever
As is the conclusion in relation to missing young man.
what was the conclusion to his case? tell us
I pray to God that my family never needs to rely on the RCIPS to investigate my death or disappearance
Wow. Just wow. Something’s very fishy about this entire “investigation”!!
Praying for peace for her loved ones.
If Kurt genuinely believes no one else was involved, he should share the reasons with the public. Sure its for the coroner to determine the cause of death, but he owes the public an explanation as to why foul play has been ruled out when the implication appears to be the incredible suggestion she killed herself and set her car alight. After all the inquest will be public so its not as if that evidence wont be made public eventually, and in the meantime he is going to feed a rumour mill to which will now be added the allegations of police cover up or incompetence.
“the implication appears to be the incredible suggestion she killed herself and set her car alight” only if you are unable to consider other possibilities. There is no reason to believe that there could not have been an unfortunate sequence of events. It is also possible that her death and the car catching fire are unrelated. You don’t know how long she was there. How do you know, for example, she did not have a medical event which incapacitated her, and subsequently a rechargeable electronic device started a fire in a hot car? Are you a psychic investigator?
Oh and she drove her car to a remote spot first before then an entirely coincidental medical event or accident? Not impossible, but likely? But the issue here is not people jumping to conclusions – its the police failing to give any indication of why they believe no third party was involved, leaving a vacuum for speculation in a case which has obvious public interest concerns. Not only the head of the AML unit, but it wouldn’t be the first case in Cayman in which a dead woman was found in a burnt out car. Just saying that they are satisfied but kicking the public access to the evidence for that conclusion down the road to some future coroners court, which will be public anyway, seems ill advised at best and reinforces the likelihood people will think something suspicious did occur – and worse yet that RCIPS are concealing it.
Yes, someone having a medical incident of some kind might want to pull over to rest in a quiet spot for a minute, thinking they are having a momentary illness. Unfortunately, there are any number of medical episodes that can also affect one’s judgment, leading to a sequence of bad decisions as one’s condition worsens.
Being close-minded is usually not considered to be a virtue.
There will be a hearing in coroner’s court. It will be public. It will be reported by the press. Maybe wait until then?
It will take a couple of years.
Or others forcing cover up, money and drugs talk!
How much of taxpayer funds are being fired down the black hole that is the RCIPS?
Gut the budget and let lawlessness takeover because, if these people have sunk tons of man hours and what is presumably a minimum of six figures into an investigation that has determined that this individual sat in her own vehicle and set it ablaze (before or after taking her own life) then may God be with us all.
How is it possible that no third-party was involved?
What was cause of death? It may not be their job to determine cause of death but that should have been known ages ago. If they have not determined cause of death then how is it that they can say definitively that there was no third-party involved?
Far greater scrutiny and audit must be placed on the police service and their investigations if they believe that feeding this to the public is acceptable.
And why take months for Coroner’s report? Never heard such nonense spilled out in Cayman. Whoever has the money and drugs pulling the strings!
This announcement is as shocking as the initial sad news of Judyann’s death!! It is no way that she took her own life, however, in a strange way I’m not surprised. So very sad. Heartbreaking really.
This is INSANE!!!
Suicide? Seriously?
Seriously?!!!
OK, what about a second party?
the killer should post a comment saying man you guys are stupid
I wonder if the fact that she was involved with all of the corruption related to her anti money laundering employment, led her to kill herself and light her car on fire to confuse us all as to who did it. Probably yeah, most likely scenario for sure. Well done little piggies.
Second party is her.
1st Party – Death
2nd Party – Person
3rd Party – Killer