Kids threatened with arrest over vandalism at CB

| 06/05/2022 | 184 Comments

(CNS): A number of young people are being threatened with arrest for destructive behaviour in Camana Bay. RCIPS community policing officers said they have been working with the property management at the Dart-owned town to address “escalating occurrences of anti-social behaviour carried out predominantly by groups of youths at Camana Bay”. Police said CCTV footage and photo evidence shows vandalized toilets, chairs thrown into the waterways, golf carts commandeered and crashed into obstacles, and groups of youths on bikes holding up traffic by performing dangerous stunt acts along the main streets of the town centre.

“Some of this activity is about kids looking for somewhere to congregate to practice tricks and ride their bikes in an environment that is safe and accessible, and Camana Bay is attractive to young bike riders in this respect,” said RCIPS Commander of Community Policing, Inspector Leslie Laing-Hall. 

“However, the behaviour of these groups of youths has gone well beyond riding bikes with friends, and at the extreme end, these kids are committing acts that break the law and make them liable for arrest, not to mention the lack of consideration shown towards the community that visits Camana Bay.”

Because of the escalation of this behaviour, the RCIPS and members of the Camana Bay property management team met with the parents of the children involved. However, the youngsters have apparently continued to behave badly. As a result, as well as continuing to talk with parents, police will be increasing their presence at Camana Bay, supporting the on-site security guards.

“We don’t want to see these young people arrested, but this anti-social behaviour and destruction of private property must stop. If we catch anyone breaking the law, they will have to face the consequences of their actions,” Inspector Laing-Hall said. Just last weekend, the RCIPS arrested two youths for drug-related offences at Camana Bay.

Jeffrey Wight, the Senior Property Manager at Dart said the area is a place for everyone. “Anti-social behaviour affects the whole community and needs us all to work together to ensure that Camana Bay is a safe and welcoming place where all are treated respectfully,” he said.

“We are exploring a variety of solutions with the RCIPS from an increased police and security presence to dedicated gathering spaces for young people where they can release their energy without disrupting other visitors,” Wight added, as he gave his backing to the police enforcing the law.


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  1. Anonymous says:

    Putting in a Foster’s so close by was a bad move by Dart. It introduced the riff-raff to the area. The movie theater did the same on a smaller scale.

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    • Anonymous says:

      are you slow? what else do you add to a community. entertainment and food.

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    • Anonymous says:

      a fosters supermarket brings riff raff? lmaooo
      Are you the disgruntled owner of hurleys or kirks feeling left out?

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  2. Anonymous says:

    Please could the youth that bang on about the importance of the environment and climate change, tell their school mates. Took a walk up the Camana bay tower over the weekend to see several kids dropping their plastic litter or rather just putting it under the wooden benches. All the little Greta’s in Cayman need to sort out their peers before telling us elders how to run things.

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  3. Adoy says:

    It is private land. Just ban them. Destroys the ambiance they do.

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  4. Anonymous says:

    Nowt wrong with this behaviour, builds character.

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  5. Anonymous says:

    I was at Camana Bay on the weekend and I saw a Police officer out standing next to his patrol car talking to a Security Guard.

    2 young boys and a young girl then walked right by and one of the boys began yelling “F### The Police” over and over, loudly & repeatedly, as they were walking by. They couldn’t be any older than 13 or 14 before they then ran away.

    With that kind of behavior and lack of respect for the law, the future of Cayman is really not in great hands. I like to think this mentality is the exception and not the rule, however I’m not always so sure of that.

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    • Anonymous says:

      That is what happens when the biggest concern for many in the community seems to be who can marry who. That they get triggered by. But they don’t see what is happening in front of their nose. Too busy being righteous.

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  6. Anonymous says:

    Their attention seeking behavior is a result of neglect at home. They seek validation of their existence while mom and dad tour the social circuit. It is well known exactly who they are.

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  7. Anonymous says:

    Not just in CB I see the same group doing the same thing on West Bay Road, taking up the whole lane and causing issues with traffic. It is bicycles now, it will be dirt bikes later.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Bicycles around West Bay Road area. Encountered left lane being blocked by boys of bicycles.

      In certain parts of George Town and West Bay (especially Barkers area) motor bikes being ridden illegally are a concern.

      Hope no one, whether a pedestrian or vehicular road users or boys on motor bikes, gets seriously hurt or killed.

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      • Junius says:

        Sounds about right. No injuries to anyone are desirable. Kids having fun must be tempered by responsibility and compliance with the law.

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  8. anon says:

    yep seen them on their bikes and it was a mix of caymanians and american kids. Also I was in the wharf with my wife having a suposedly quiet meal a couple of weeks ago and had a table next to the tarpon feeding jetty. A group of 6 loud mouthed american kids were swearing and shouting and inebriated 2 feet away from us standing on the jetty. Not a care for the customers at all. the staff did not intervene (probably because they were spending money)
    they only stopped when I threatened to dump them all in the water and believe me they would have come off worse. Another customer came up to me and thanked me.
    Kids in general have no respect and i must admit the americans and caymanians fall into that category and yes I blame the parents. I always got a clip around the ears or a kick up the back side if i misbehaved and it didnt do me any harm.

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  9. Anonymous says:

    Brats!! So they have a lot of energy to release? Make them do community service like picking up trash around Camana Bay and on the beach etc., that will tire them out!!!

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  10. Anonymous says:

    Let’s be honest, local kids have been taught by their parents that expats and dart is the enemy so they disrespect Camana Bay and the parents laugh at the police when confronted. Arrest them all.

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  11. Orrie Merren says:

    I agree that vandalism is unacceptable and preventing (not encouraging) anti-social behavior is most appropriate.

    There appears to be a lot of comments, by both varying sides of this discussion, which perhaps might all need to be calmed down a bit.

    Caymanians and non-Caymanians all can (and should) learn to live harmoniously with one another. Things aren’t always perfect, but we should strive to live together respectfully and harmoniously.

    If children do wrong, then punishment is part of learning not to repeat inappropriate behavior — spare the rod, spoil the child.

    However, we were all young once and being young is, perhaps, harder in these modern days than it was in the 1980s and 90s, when I was a kid growing up in Grand Cayman.

    Remember “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). “He who is without sin among you, cast the first stone” (John 8:7).

    Not saying that there should not be consequences for wrongdoing or bad behavior, but that it is important to discipline children out of love — not out of wrath and anger.

    Proper punishment for crimes needs to have proportionality to it, because some of the stated punishments appear very disproportionate to what has occurred, but in no way excuses improper or anti-social behavior.

    We all need to learn to live together and, most importantly, to love and respect one another. Hope that the vandalism, which is not to be tolerated, does not occur again.

    Kids will be kids and, when they misbehave, they need to be punished as a deterrent for repeating the same behavior, but not disproportionately.

    Wishing All Mother’s a Happy Mother’s Day — without you none of us would be hear, whether Caymanian or non-Caymanian — and I just want to say God bless you all and you families.

    God bless,
    Orrie 🙏🏻🇰🇾

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    • Big Poppa says:

      Orrie, while I agree in spirit with your commentary, I do not believe it works in practice. Talk is cheap and only gets one so far. Some of these kids need a proverbial beat-down. Before anyone jumps out of their safe-seats to scream bloody murder, I am not advocsting that these kids get beat… though, a good strapping, of the Singapore variety may help. To make a long point short, time for talk is over. Something of greater consequence is necessary…

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  12. Anonymous says:

    “Say it Like it is” – Perhaps you’re right! I know a single father in Cayman who was at his wits end trying to control his teen son. On one occasion he arranged for the youth to be held in the local lock-up overnight.

    By the next morning, that kid was changed. He never gave any more “teen” issues, grew-up to be a responsible and productive adult and is now decent father himself!

    Oh…that was before the HRC and all it stands for, not sure how it would play out today.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Please enlighten us – what does the HRC stand for in your informed opinion?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Locked down for 24-48 hours does the job. I was locked down in a youth detention center at 13 years old for 24 hours and another male family member, similar age, was for a week. We both changed over night.

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      • Anonymous says:

        I recall a Caymanian friend (now deceased) from a prominent family telling me that if he got in trouble at school, that was the least of his problems.
        If his father heard about it, the punishment from his father, when he got home was the real lesson.
        The entire family have gone on to demonstrate the best of Cayman across many successful local businesses.
        Parents have a responsibility and huge role in this.

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  13. Anonymous says:

    Don’t become like California where stealing under $1,000 is not punishable in any way.
    Analogy is accurate. If anti-social behavior is accepted, then you have no one to blame for what these hooligans will do next. I won’t be surprised if they start gang-looting Camana Bay shops, as they do it in NYC, LA and other American cities.

    Parents must pay for destroyed/damaged property, cleanup etc. I am not sure why they weren’t charged yet.

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  14. Anonymous says:

    i think all caymanians should boycott camana bay.

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  15. Anon. says:

    The parents need to be prosecuted for dumping their children at Camana Bay to be a burden to society.

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    • Shaking my head says:

      I completely agreed, this kiddos, have no respect, their vocabulary is awful, they act like gangster’s. Yes, no one else to blame but irresponsible parents, that is no Camana Bay, It is a Ghetto Bay, on Saturday. Awful place to go.

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  16. Anonymous says:

    Tiktok culture on the loose.

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  17. Anonymous says:

    ‘Inside every utopia is dystopia striving to get out.’

    John Crawley in an article reflecting on Bel Geddes, check it out.

    https://bostonreview.net/articles/john-crowley-man-who-designed-future/

  18. Anonymous says:

    Dart needs to finish the camp site and dog park he promised at Public beach in order to get his planning permission to close West Bay Road and build the Kimpton.

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    • Anonymous says:

      The ones the government had removed from the agreement?

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      • Anonymous says:

        Come now – breaking one of the cardinal rules. It always Darts fault. Even uncontrolled kids running amok in his development is his fault.

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        • Anonymous says:

          Dart, Jamaicans, and expats. The official scapegoats of the Cayman Islands.

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        • Anonymous says:

          Don’t forget he’s to blame for all the idiot drivers on the Esterley Tibbetts Highway. Obviously the blood of those who have died driving like idiots in on Dart’s hands because if he didn’t build the roads, they would be able to drive like idiots. It’s not poor BoBo’s fault – he was a good boy.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Government, NOT Dart removed those items from the plan

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  19. Say it like it is says:

    Too much hot air. Put these yobs in jail overnight and keep them there until there parents come to collect them.

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  20. Lo-cal says:

    There is nowhere on island where a kid can just be a kid. Why don’t we build open spaces where they can congregate, ride their bikes, do stunts and other things. Add a police officer to keep the peace and maybe even some social programs to help guide the kids.

    A country with so many churches and supposed concerned groups and dogs yes dogs from the human society are treated and cared for more than the kids.

    It should be doubble PR points if you become a big brother big sister to a child and the dog is just a bonus.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Sorry, when I was a kid (now 62) we created our own ball fields, our own ‘space’ in the streets to play ball while being respectful of cars. Shoot, we lost our ball in the sewers and retrieved them without any vandalism. Kids can be respectful as well as being creative in a healthy way. If I got caught doing something wrong, my parents knew it before I got home… that was a hard walk because I knew what was coming – no abuse, but a stern lesson. Cayman – grow some bal.s!

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    • Anonymous says:

      What crap! This island is a kd paradise. There is plenty to do. No need to ac like assholes.

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    • A girl who was throwing stones. says:

      The worst things I did in my childhood were throwing stones into passing cars, ONCE, I 🧒🏼was 5 or 6, and stealing cookies from a bakery, ONCE, I 👧was maybe 11. Nobody ever found out, however the driver of the car I probably damaged, did ask who my parents were and where did they work. That was it. I had no desire for anti-social behavior as a teenager or adult.

      I can accept that kids do things like I did in my childhood, but have hard time calling Camana Bay hooligans kids and brush off their anti-social behavior to the lack of open spaces.

      Criminal mischief (also known as vandalism) is defined as the willful and malicious destruction of property belonging to another person. Depending on the amount of damage caused, criminal mischief may carry misdemeanor or felony penalties, including jail or prison (in FL).

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    • Pastor Alfredo says:

      No open spaces where they can congregate and ride their bikes and do stunts except for the largest skate park in the western hemisphere down by hurleys. There’s also plenty of space up at public beach and the clue’s in the name.

      Pastor Alfredo

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    • Anonymous says:

      And why do the kids need strangers to look after them? Big brother bigsister is a well meaning attempt by caring people; but it shouldn’t be necessary. Cayman has a major problem with parental attitudes, and suggesting it should be sticking plastered by church groups and expats is to ignore the core problem and the responsibility for it.

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    • Anonymous says:

      The skate park?

      Barkers?

      The beach?

      Plenty of places, but they would still end up at CB causing issues.

      However, agree that we should be doing much more to encourage mentorship programs.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Caymanian kids got it made. Government and the private do too much. The only thing the government and private sector isn’t doing is wiping you all bottoms. Children are spoiled. Mentorship programs? There weren’t any when I was growing up nor my older children. They played basketball in the yard and rode their bicycles. Played football and basketball with other children as well.

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      Plenty of space at The Grove.

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  21. Anonymous says:

    Arrest them and stop talking about not wanting too. The only way to get their attention is to follow the law so they don’t grow up thinking they will be forgiven for any thing they do wrong. This is the fundamental problem with Caymanians they raise their kids with too much forgiveness and not hard hand.
    If these kids continue with this behavior they will end up in Northward sooner or later.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Many of these youths are not Caymanian. From UK, US and South Africa.

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      • Anonymous says:

        So said an entitled Caymanian sitting on your couch collection free money! Yes, I am speculating and possibly wrong!!!!! – Just as you did!

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      • Anonymous says:

        So there are no Caymanian children on the island ? None of them have skateboards and they all stay home between the ages of 8 and 25 ? Grow up.

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      • Anonymous says:

        I doubt, especially If their parents are work permit holders

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      • Anonymous says:

        Of course that makes sense why I am always seeing the Police at Prep, Catholic and CIS and never at Clifton or John Grey or Cifec.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Caymanian? You are clearly a foreigner because us Caymanians were raised with a strong hand. I would never even dream of behaving the fashion that these little twerps are. Just a look from my Mother or Father if I showed even a hint of acting out put me in line. If you go to Camana Bay, you can clearly see and hear that these are not local children.

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  22. Anonymous says:

    If the parents have been warned and they refuse to get their children under control they should be arrested. The single biggest problem we have in Cayman are parents. They are at the root of the majority of the problems that we face today and will face in the future.

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    • Anonymous says:

      The proverbial elephant in the room.

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    • Richard Wadd says:

      And how exactly are parents supposed to perform their duties when their hands have (literally) been tied when it comes to disciplining their kids?
      Ever heard the saying “Spare the rod and spoil the child”?
      I was a rebellious kid but I KNEW the line not to cross.
      A good ‘buss-ass’ did me no harm and a world of good.
      With most kids it is not about getting whooped, but rather KNOWING that the option is available.
      By contrast I raised 3 kids and only ever had to slap them twice.
      Even in nature animals discipline their young. This is how they learn boundaries and how to conduct themselves in a civil society.

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      • Anonymous says:

        ‘I raised 3 kids and only ever had to slap them twice’

        Twice more than I did with my 2 law-abiding, honest, caring, loving kids. You must, MUST be trolling with a statement like that. What an admission 🙄.

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  23. Anonymous says:

    Camana Bay seems to have become a drop off child care facility with no supervision. There have been times where I’ve overheard the foul language being exchanged followed the body behavior. Not impressed , but no adult supervision.
    So for the few mature kids who actually handle themselves appropriately get caught up in the same wrath and judged accordingly which is unfair.

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    • Anonymous says:

      parents did this alllll the time why are we pretending its new lmao
      we use to congregate outside of marquee when the cinema was there every friday even if not watching anything so please stop lying to yourself lmao

  24. Anonymous says:

    LMAO ‘speak to their parents’ … you mean, spoke to their moms. Very much doubt the father is around and I’m sure the mom said ‘but he’s such a good boy, he never does anything wrong…’ followed by ‘you police are always hassling him, leave him alone, he’s a good boy’!

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  25. Anonymous says:

    There’s a group of them that carry on with the same type of bad behavior around the Walkers Road area near the schools & churches.
    They have no regard for other peoples property and they are very disrespectful when you ask them to leave. A couple of them have started wearing black ski masks to disguise their identity.

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  26. Anonymous says:

    Build the flipping BMX track for these kids! They can practice their stunts on the track and we can have competitions. We will have positive results.

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      Go for it. What’s stopping you?

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      • Anonymous says:

        3:50 – Money you jackass fool. These billionaires can easily make it happen. Instead, they build for the rich and treat kids like criminals.

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        • Anonymous says:

          You realize that you asked others to build shit for you but when we complain you don’t take care of your kids or care for human rights you tell us to leave. So funny y’all think you deserve the cake and the shop.

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    • Anonymous says:

      A BMX track will simply be a place to exchange drugs and ideas for how to game the system. Ethics starts at HOME – not at a bike field.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Black Pearl – Grand Harbour

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  27. Anonymous says:

    This is going to get worst. But this is progress.

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  28. Anonymous says:

    Disenfranchised youths, it only going to get worse from here on. This happened in 2009 with the theatre bathrooms being trashed. They don’t realise that their recreational place for stunt biking has ended which in turn will cause more animosity. There’s no easy solution but expect Camana Bay to be sanitised in short order. Sad but expected.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Same behavior at the old Cinema. Only way to stop them is to arrest them. Kenneth knows as he was one off them.

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      Yes – let’s give the hooligans a vote so they aren’t disenfranchised!

  29. Anonymous says:

    Have the police charge all the drivers that go straight through the stop signs in Camana bay. Or just the kids are a worry….

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  30. Anonymous says:

    Since they’ve obviously been reared improperly, fine their parents for raising these delinquents.

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  31. Anonymous says:

    And we wonder why SOME (a small minority) of young adults in Cayman are so unruly – they are never held to account for behavior such as this when they were younger.

    If it was not in Caymana Bay this behavior would be ignored; thus allowed to grow and fester into hardened criminals. Cayman, grow some balls!

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  32. Elvis says:

    They turn up in droves pulling wheelies and lounging around, bikes upside down one of the idiots pulled a wheelie going past starbucks door as i was leaving. Make one hit my child and ill fir it for you police . They move between there and fosters.
    Take a pic and out it on social media and see if their parents care?

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  33. Anonymous says:

    Guess there is no money in organizing a dirt track – nothing and nowhere for youngsters/teens to let off steam. No excuse for the drugs and their behavior, got to give them somewhere to go and do.

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    • Anonymous says:

      How about a month in jail……………..?

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    • Anonymous says:

      When I was 15 I was told to “get a job, study hard, get educated to be able to afford what I wanted…” I was never directed to a dirt track to better my situation. I guess YOUR ethics (Cayman? Hopefully not, but I suspect so) is different than mine – not a surprise.

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    • Anonymous says:

      How about the sea?
      That large mass of water surrounding the island. Endless hours of enjoyment await.

  34. Goaway says:

    These ruffians should be arrested and they should all be banned from the site permanently.

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    • Anonymous says:

      And do community service by cleaning up litter or face jail

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      Just your ‘name’ says it all! Any productive suggestions so you will not be disturbed, bothered you are not.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I am a Caymanian and tired of hearing people blame these types of social issues on expats! This is about being responsible parents and teaching your kids to respect others and their property.

      This is about lack of parenting Expat and Caymanian parents alike, period!

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  35. Anonymous says:

    Maybe Colin could invite them down to help revitalize George Town?

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  36. Anonymous says:

    these must be those terrible expat youth causing problems (end sarcasm)

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      You said it (no sarcasm).

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    • Anonymous says:

      No. Expats youths with endless finances are involved in other anti-social behavior: hard drug use. That’s why a friend had to take both kids out of XXXX because it was out of control. Drug dealers making drug drops at school. That’s what happens when money is the children babysitter.

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    • Anonymous says:

      you can best believe that! thats why they spoke with their parents silly. I’ve seen the kids and they look like California skate park crews. But i guess thats the new Caymanian now.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Might be. I have not seen these kids myself and don’t live at Camana Bay, so will have to take others words for it. You sound honest and fair, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

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      They are expats. Caymanians cant afford to live at Camana Bay or any where else in that area

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    • Anonymous says:

      Cayman youth through and through! Yea, I’ll say it.

      If they are not held accountable, the lesson they will learn is that they can get away with being punks. Gee, wasn’t there a murder of a young Cayman punk that was a terrible shame of a loss of life last week? Please do these youths a favor – be appropriately harsh! Else the public will pay the price over and over the next 10-20-30+ years.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Just like those reckless expats on dirt bikes.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Oh you’d be surprised buddy 😉

  37. Anonymous says:

    Arrest these hoodlums ! There are families with small children that these idiots have zero regard for. They need to be arrrested and these bikes destroyed.

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  38. Anonymous says:

    This is what happens when you take away the tamarind switch.

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    • Beaumont Zodecloun says:

      Exactly right.

      You and me grew up with a sense of consequence for our actions. Not to say that we didn’t cut up, because we did. But when caught, we had consequences to face which shaped us toward the responsibilities of adulthood.

      We should keep our inner child alive, but never let it rage.

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    • Anonymous says:

      No, it’s about having appropriate consequences from actual legal authorities. But I also favor having their parents be held accountable to make financial renumerations. BUT, we will now hear that the parents are poor and can’t be held responsible.

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  39. Anonymous says:

    About time. The last time I was there the behaviour of many of the young persons was so feral that I felt very unsafe. I watched some parents coming for their children and telling them off about their behaviour. It amazed me how young some of the children were and I wondered why they were left to roam without supervision.

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    • Anonymous says:

      No regard for kids being kids. Bet you never got up to mischief too, right? Me and my mates aren’t bothered. Respect being in Cayman for the brighter pastures.

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      • Anonymous says:

        I did stupid things as a kid too. They should absolutely be punished but unless it’s harming another person, I think jail is too harsh. The parents are the real ones to blame not teaching their own children basic manners which would keep them out of trouble.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Because too many expats took their parents jobs, and now have to work two jobs to make ends meet. Have a heart.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Poor excuse for poor behavior. Get a job loser.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Yes 5.33, too many expats study and work hard to get these jobs that the entitled can’t bother with.

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      • Anonymous says:

        This comment deserves a gold star!

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      • Anonymous says:

        OMG where is the laughing my ass off button. This attitude is exactly where there are so many feral kids, Caymanian kids, running around like there are no repercussions for bad actions. Too long Caymanians have gotten away with bad behaviour and law breaking because they only thing the laws apply to the ‘others’. And when a Caymanian is caught doing something they shouldn’t, oh, it’s an expats fault somehow. You stupid, stupid person.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Seriously! If you want to work there is work ! Keep educating yourself ! Keep taking courses ! I am a caymanian in my 60’s and still learning and taking classes. Nobody owes you anything . Go out and work for it.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Wow. So first assumption is that they are Caymanian. Next that an expat took their parents jobs. Third is that somehow entitles the kids to behave badly.

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      • Anonymous says:

        You people have lost your minds. None of your excuses justify acting like wild animals in a public place.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Their parents are too lazy for those jobs, and too lazy to discipline their children – hence the problems

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    • Anonymous says:

      Please tell us how you felt unsafe? Genuine question; what was happening to make you specifically feel unsafe?

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    • Anonymous says:

      lmao, “Feral”. Maybe you should go back behind the gates and your Filipino guards, put your fingers in your ears, head in the sand and enjoy your safe space.

      Feral… good chuckle at that one.

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