Turner challenges vaccine misinformation
(CNS): Health Minister Sabrina Turner has appealed to the public to use good judgement and common sense over the misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine circulating on social media and being promoted in the local community. She asked people to learn the facts and data about the vaccine from sources like the World Health Organization or the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Cayman has reached a plateau with its vaccination programme and over the last few weeks the number of people seeking out the vaccine slowed to a trickle. On Friday public health officials revealed that 126 people had got their first shot and 275 had completed the two-dose course over the last day, with the national rate still stuck at 67% fully vaccinated.
In an interview with Donna Bush on CIGTV, Turner said the vaccination has been scientifically proven to be the best available form of defence against COVID-19. The minister warned that the unvaccinated are putting themselves and their loved ones at greater risk of getting sick from the coronavirus.
Despite the government’s best efforts at education, Turner accepted that some people will remain anti-vaccine and there would be no mandate for people to get the shots, but she said that people needed to be aware what it means not to be vaccinated.
“We are respectful as well of those who are against vaccination. We’re not radical, we’re not dictators,” she said, adding that the primary concern was keeping people safe. “We have to respect the rights of people. I don’t feel that any point in time ever was it pushed from this ministry, myself or my government that anything would be mandatory.”
But she added that people “should be fully aware and alert that, based on what we’re seeing, if you choose not to [be vaccinated] for whatever reason, your risk of contracting this with long-term side effects and possible long life-lasting damages could be much more severe than somebody who has some form of armour or protection… I’m hoping that the majority will prevail, and at some point in time they will see the importance of having the vaccine and making sure that they’re vaccinated, so that you’re not faced full-blown with having no form of coverage whatsoever.”
A global public health concern around vaccine misinformation is the risk of it leading to a reduction in vaccine uptake. In 2019, prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the World Health Organization listed vaccine hesitancy as one of the top 10 threats to global public health.
Minister Turner said data was critical and exposure to misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines may lower an individual’s intent to get vaccinated against the disease. A recent study has found that “scientific sounding” misinformation, using imagery or links to articles, was more strongly associated with a decrease in vaccination intent. She noted a London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine survey that found that 6.2% of participants exposed to vaccine misinformation who had planned to get vaccinated changed their minds, and urged people to use reputable sources to get informed about the COVID-19 vaccine.
It is now less than six weeks before Cayman opens its borders and just over a week before government plans to stop electronically monitoring vaccinated people in home isolation and allowing them to quarantine on trust.
One more person currently in isolation tested positive over the last day. There are currently ten active cases of the virus among those who are in quarantine either at a home or in a government facility, one of whom remains in hospital, though they are said to be recovering. Four others are also suffering some symptoms of the coronavirus.
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So weird that anti-vaccine zealots are also the most eager to accept unproven medical quackery claims (Hydroxychloroquine, homeopathic water, reiki, etc.)
It just shows that there is no reason or logic to be found in their way of thinking.
#lame
Ivermectin
#truth
I love the irony of someone who is scared of taking a vaccine being prepared to take a drug designed to kill intestinal parasites, and more commonly used in animals than people.
LOVE this comment SO MUCH!
The Minister and her Ministry have shown no substantial innovation in getting people to show up to get vaccinated and little to bring vaccinations to the people. Other countries have identified simple effective techniques that work. Time for someone in Cayman to light a fire under somebody’s bottom.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/02/text-reminders-could-boost-vaccine-uptake-by-26-study-finds
I am in favour of vaccination and in favour of protecting our population. I am not too sure about forcing people to get vaccinated. Fortunately there in another option.
Some countries are now saying that for jobs working with the public that people should have the option of either being vaccinated OR having a PCR test either daily or every couple of days at their own expense. That minimizes risk to the public and allows for people who have concerns about vaccination to work without putting other people at risk.
I’d be cool with that plan. Get the free vaccine or pay daily to be tested. Choices.
If ppl who are vaccinated can also still get it, what’s the point in only having a PCR test for ppl who aren’t?
Take the vaccine or not. It’s your choice – and there’s plenty of information out there to help you make it an informed one.
But, now that everyone who wants the vaccine has had it, can we please reopen the borders without any further delay? What possible purpose does it serve to keep the economy strangled and the people captive?
Let the unvaccinated deal with the consequences of their choice – why should the rest of us pay the price for it?
Beause we’ll pay more when Covid comes in and unvaxinated people end up in the hospital?
But you are right as to how this eventually plays out with reoipenning. My expectation is the Government iwll stick to their timetable regardless of the success of any last vaccination push.
In this corner
The vaccinated are armed, ready and is being guided by the science.
And in this corner
The unvaccinated.
There are questions that you must answer, as you are relying on you for survival of the fittest.
Are you healthy, do you have any underlying illness (es).
Will you go in isolation until the battle is over.
Are you able to: avoid travel, avoid eating in restaurants, avoid public space, avoid gathering, public events, avoid discotheque ,bars and avoid supermarkets.
Where are you getting your guidance from?
Once the borders are open, unless you are able to isolate from the world, you will be batting out. Are you ready?
You can’t prevent people from going to supermarkets. Everyone needs to eat and be able to get their groceries. Nor can you prevent people from leaving the island, especially those who have multiple citizenships. Resturant’s, public gathering etc are not a necessity. They can be nice but you don’t have to go or participate.
Furthermore, the vaccine does not stop you from getting Covid so you’ll see the virus spreading throughout the vaccinated holier than thou crowd too. Won’t be able to blame the unvaccinated for it either since it will be just ya’ll “allowed”
Are you reading to respond or reading to understand? Those are questions for you to consider, if you are not getting vaccinated.
Actually 9:23 am, it is possible that other countries may mandate against accepting unvaccinated persons, in case of which the airlines may very well refuse to take such persons onboard. Why? Money. In those cases the airline would have to return those said passengers.
Curbside pickup can be required vs entering supermarket.
It’s not the leaving island that will be a restricted, it’s the returning. Multiple citizenship makes no difference.
You can’t restrict Caymanians from coming back home. Period.
There are billions of people in the world that are unvaccinated and they all seem to be doing fine
It’s interesting that vaccinated people are so easily certain that they’re doing the only right thing despite so much evidence around them showing there are other ways
The buyers remorse is setting in, you can taste it
Except for the ones dying in hospitals from this, begging for the vaccine with their last breaths and being told it’s too late, right?
I’m fine with you not getting it, as long as the gov accepts that’s your position and doesn’t hold me responsible for your choices.
and vice versa..
Maybe they’re actually begging for ivermectin rather than a vaccine, because there are also people in hospital who have had the shot.
How many of the positives in cayman have had the shot, why is this info not available?
“,,,,they all seem to be doing fine…”
If that is what you think, then there is no convincing you. You will remain one of the unvaccinated.
Today Germany announced that it was making booster doses available as of 1 September. Hopefully we will do that in Cayman rather than have them go to waste.
Hopefully we will do a lot of sensible things other countries are doing like travel abroad for vaccinated, booster shots, only allowing vaccinated in public events and shows like New York, only vaccinated in bars and restaurants like Europe etc etc – but right now this non world class system we have here seems to be doing nothing at all.
5.12pm Only a fool who doesn’t keep up with current developments would say something like that. The vaccines have lost effectiveness at stopping infections. Vaccinated should get zero privileges.
Israel and Gibraltar surges are 80%+ driven by vaccinated.
Rubbish on a pile of chicken manure.
Gibraltar has a 100% vaccination rate – so the very few cases they have, minimally syptomatic by the way, are among the vaccinated – as Homer says – D’OH
9.25am Really? Did you bother doing any basic research? How about quick one for Israel. Taken straight from government reported website:
July 18- July 24
Total infected: 5,065
Total infected fully vaccinated: 4,262
Total infected unvaccinated: 803
Total infected fully vaccinated / total infected: 84%, which is higher than fully vaccinated rate in country.
Let’s hope the policy makers in Cayman aren’t innumerate. And this is not isolated. You got to look at these infections and results at the margin not at what happened several months ago.
CNS: I admit defeat. I could not find this info on the Israeli government website. Perhaps you could help us with that. This is the most recent news article I could find – HAARETZ: Israeli Top Health Official Says Rise in COVID Cases Is ‘Worrying’
“Data presented at a discussion Wednesday suggested that the vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing severe symptoms among those 60 and older has dropped to 81 percent from 97 percent in January.”
crickets from the pro vax aka non-choice believers
100% vaccination rate without vaccinating the kids? good one
Sadly – many deaths will follow in a couple of weeks – Guardian
“A day after it recorded the most new daily cases since the start of the pandemic, Florida on Sunday broke a previous record for current hospitalisations, as the number of patients in hospitals because of Covid-19 once again broke through the 10,000-person threshold.
It had 10,207 people in hospital with confirmed Covid-19 cases, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Associated Press reports.
The previous record was from more than a year ago, July 23, 2020, more than a half-year before vaccinations started becoming widespread, when Florida had 10,170 hospital admissions.
Florida is now leading the US in per capita hospitalisations for the virus, as hospitals around the state report having to put emergency room visitors in beds in hallways and others document a noticeable drop in the age of patients.”
Yet this government is continuing to allow flights here from Miami, regardless of This news out of Florida. To blindly continue behaving as if the vaccines will prevent viral infection, spread and possibly death is madness.
Florida: 21M residents and 132M annual visitors…do the math.
I wouldn’t care if people choose to not get vaccinated if the rest of us weren’t being restricted due to their unvaccinated status.
Wayne is adamant that we have to hit 80% of his made up population number and therefore the choice to be unvaccinated affects the entire damn country. Wayne needs to reevaluate his stance and set an opening date. The unvaccinated will either continue on blissfully or change their tune. Either way, the rest of us aren’t hostage.
Personal responsibility is perfectly okay with me. I’m vaccinated so even if I catch it, odds are extremely low that I’d get very sick.
Same here! Been banging on about this for a while now.
Give the opening date and those on the fence can make their OWN DECISIONS!!!
Unvaccinated (NOT anti-vax!! Just not getting this one.)
It’s a plague. How are you being restricted. I would rather pay tax than open the islands up to a plague.
I urge everyone to watch this and update your knowledge on where the current data is on this pandemic. Before watching, please review Ioannidis profile and understand who he is.
https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis
CNS, please add Prof Ioannidis to you list of fact checking sources.
https://youtu.be/B_ehqHQOBO0
Thank you.
*CNS: Worth watching but keep in mind that Ioannidis’ views and his work has been heavily criticised. Notably, he says in this video that his own estimates were off. What he doesn’t sat is that he predicted that roughly 10,000 Americans could die from covid. That’s off by about 590,000.
Recommended reading:
An Elite Group Of Scientists Tried To Warn Trump Against Lockdowns In March
A top scientist questioned virus lockdowns on Fox News. The backlash was fierce.
From and with are 2 different things which is clear in his presentation. The From group is a very small group compared with the With group.
NEWSFLASH None of the numbers since day one are what they seem. Bogus definitions, no explanations or context or perspective, unreliable tests, skewed data, gaslighting and propaganda.
Don’t care anymore…you’re not going to convince me to get the shot or wear a mask. Or not live my life. I’m done.
But hospital or the law will when you either get very sick or face restrictions from bars, restaurants and flying off island which soon come
You are wrong to say the unvaccinated person will go to hospital. The vast, and I mean almost all, will not end up in hospital. However, you have nailed it with the law argument. The question is, can anyone connect the dots?
Why can’t you just wear a mask? You would be okay with passing on a deadly virus to someone else? you’re okay with blood on your hands?
With the recent CDC information indicating that viral shedding is nearly identical for vaccinated and unvaccinated, we are finally at a point where getting vaccinated only protects YOU. Everyone is capable of contracting the virus and spreading it.
IF you catch it – but eight times less likely to catch it and be a spreader than if you are not vaccinated. Anyone is capable of having a car accident and injuring an innocent person as well as themselves – but way more likely if you drink and drive. But you don’t get to point at the statistics of sober people in car accidents and use that to justify your decision.
best lock them all up in their houses for their own safety
Something is fishy. Weird article about “summer sniffles”. Really weird. First of all, why not to name it common cold and flu and invent “summer sniffles” instead?
Secondly, why to bring ventilators into it? Since when people even go to see a doctor having common cold and flu? Never heard of people with common cold and flu on ventilators unless, may be, severe pneumonia develops?
Why even have an article about “summer sniffles” unless this is an unsuccessful attempt to cover something up, for it raises more questions.
After reading today’s headline “ Chaos over true daily COVID deaths figure: Florida and Delaware skew Johns Hopkins’ stats with massive data dump taking total up by 300% – but true figure is significantly lower ”
WHO ARE WE SUPPOSED to TRUST? Nobody!
Those with “summer sniffles” probably have Covid. This variant is definitely presenting that way. Of course, people here think only those travelers in quarantine could possibly be positive and/or spread it. The truth is, it’s probably already in the community because we have front line workers that aren’t vaccinated and are therefore more likely to catch/spread it.
If someone is counting “summer sniffles”, they have nothing else to do. In fact, how do they even count it? Do people with sniffles go to ER? Do doctors report daily (where and why? ) patients with sniffles? Why nobody seem to know how many have cancer? Just bizarre article, indeed.
The CDC’s admission that the vast majority of new COVID cases are coming from vaccinated people, highlighting the total sham of the experimental jab and the collapsing medical establishment’s credibility.
CNS: Everything about this comment is wrong, but since you didn’t link the source of your misinformation, it’s hard to know how you arrived at your conclusions. For everyone else, this was published by the CDC on Friday. Scroll down for the latest stats – Don’t Run Down the Shot Clock
“COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are once again increasing in nearly all states, fueled by the B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant, which is much more contagious than past versions of the virus. The highest spread of cases and severe outcomes is happening in places with low vaccination rates.”
Thank God for CNS fact checking as this site could easily become another FOX News conspiracy and misinformation dumping ground.
It almost seems that lately there has been a heightened amount of this misinformation being posted. We need to be very careful to watch these posts particularly since they never post any reliable sources.
CNS: I am enormously grateful to readers like you who help me with the fact checking. It can be very time consuming.
Or post any sources at all. And even when they do post a source it’s ridiculous. I remember one where they showed people trying to stick magnets to their skin lol.
I think we unfortunately have hit the usual Bell curve, much like height, weight, intelligence…. Those who have not been vaccinated are becoming increasingly unwilling and unlikely to get vaxxed. No more reasoning, research, information… is likely to be effective.
We have reached the point where it either needs to be mandated or, understand that some will never face reality and society has to accept that some are on the other end of the curve.
Wasn’t the WTO the same organization saying not to wear masks 15 months ago? We saying they are best source of information???
First off, WHO. secondly, The best way to prevent further spread is to wear a mask. With new information comes new recommendations. It’s quite simple.
WTO – stands for “World Trade Organisation” – as far as I know they did not say anything about masks
Misinformation, misinformation, misinformation!?? Really?
Who is the judge? Who checks fact-checkers? Who pays scientists who get airtime? Who “cancels” scientists who disagree with paid scientists?
If I were Health Minister of the Cayman Islands, I would not assume the role of Minister of Truth. Nobody knows anything and it is changing daily. Can’t trust anyone anymore! People lost their minds, literally!
8.20pm Can we get some real information i.e. when did Ms Turner get her vaccinations, was it before she became Minister?.
What does it matter when she got it? The question you should ask is if she got it? I’m pretty sure she did…Now go get yours and stop being petty..
Mrs. Turner received her COVID-19 vaccine shortly after the general as she, and others in the PACT Administration, did not want any downtime while campaigning. Please remember that the general elections were brought forward, and as such, the candidates needed all the time they could get.
Bullsh*t. They only did it when Panton forced them to. Had they lost they would not have got it.
Why is it your business?
Direct from the fact checkers and why you should care and how to identify bad information:
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Our choice of material to fact check is broad, and is based on the following criteria:
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Entering, actually regressing, the era of books burning? 8B people live on this planet. Each has its own view of the world, opinions and truths. Forcing your “truth” on me is pointless- I see the world through MY senses. No scientist, politician or an editorial board can eliminate common sense…try as the may.
Remember that many people are color-blind- what is green for you, blue for me.
CNS: You’re now sounding delusional. Common sense has left you entirely. People have opinions. Facts are facts.
What I was waiting to hear from the Minister is what support is proposed for the good people of these islands who are not eligible to take the vaccine. Not everyone who has not taken the vaccine is anti-vax or conspiracy theorists. Since the published interview with the Premier, where we read veiled threats of the government considering ways to coerce, or force, vaccinations by mandating certain restrictions of our freedom (restricting the unvaccinated gaining entry to hospitals, cinemas, restaurants etc), it is good to hear from this minister that it will not be happening. Trying to convince the reluctant amongst us by parroting foreign media and prepared talking points will not work. People are aware that the vaccine is now proving less effective, as announced by Pfizer. There are also growing numbers of vaccinated persons who are being infected and spreading the virus, not just the unvaccinated. This is true despite the Premier’s apparent regurgitating of CNN and the US president’s claims that it is “the pandemic of the unvaccinated”. In fact, it could be the reverse by asymptomatic vaccinated! At thus point, who knows?! Oh what a difference a few days makes. The fact is, this is an evolving situation with both the virus and mutations, and the effectiveness of the vaccine. It is now known that vaccinated people are still catching the virus, spreading it to others, becoming ill and dying from the virus, despite claims otherwise by some. Heck even the CDC recently had to walk back their previous advice that masks were no longer required to be worn by the vaccinated. So it can hardly any longer be said that the vaccines are highly effective. We are all confused! We are all at risk. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. We are all in this situation together, so let’s stop the hateful attacks and accusations, on both sides.
Well said. Thank you.
Possibly some useful points but I would not endorse as “well said.”
It is not true, as 6:19 pm claims, that
“People are aware that the vaccine is now proving less effective, as announced by Pfizer. There are also growing numbers of vaccinated persons who are being infected and spreading the virus, not just the unvaccinated. “
Mostly untrue. Everyone has access to the internet and need to read comprehensively and critically. Avoid sources such as Fox News which simply twists the truth.
What we have been seeing is lowered efficacy against the DELTA variant.
But we also are being told based on data from the CDC that even if vaccinated persons contact the virus they are not as sick (only .004% have been hospitalised and associated deaths are at .001%.)
We also knew from the time vaccines were introduced that it was possible that immunity would wane over time based on individual immune responses, and that we might have to get booster shots.
But all medical authorities worldwide are supporting vaccines as the best weapon against Covid.
Read more here from media sources:
“Less than 0.1 per cent of vaccinated Americans have contracted the coronavirus, according to date from the US Centres for Disease Control.
“ In a stunning confirmation that the existing coronavirus vaccines are an effective preventative to the virus, Axios reported CDC data showing that 99 per cent of vaccinated Americans have not been infected with the coronavirus.
“Breakthrough cases” – situations in which a vaccinated person becomes infected – occurred in 0.77 per cent of Americans who have been vaccinated.
Only .004 per cent of vaccinated Americans have been hospitalised due to the virus, and .001 per cent have died.”
Read the full text at :
https://news.yahoo.com/less-0-1-per-cent-201652603.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Agree with everything except “we are all at risk”. We are not. Life continues and people die daily from all kind of causes. Last week 3 people were struck by lightning in my county, 2 died.
The one consistent and “go to” for the CDC is masks. The vaccine seems to be an individual solution and not a societal one, despite claims of such only a few months ago. So for those who can’t or dont wish to be vaccinated, they have the CDC’s only true solution – masks. The pro-Vaxers cannot accept masks are the solution, and will go one the attack. Sorry.
It depends upon the mask. Prior to the emergence of Covid-19 and the variants, people wore masks to protect others from themselves, if they were sick.
Contrary to that idea, in some Asian cultures, it has been common for decades to wear masks when a seasonal flu was running, to protect oneself.
I observe that many people in the process of wearing masks touch their faces repeatedly, often unconsciously, to adjust the mask. The following are my own conclusions, not projected against anyone else, just what I think is true:
1: A mask that can be put on that will stay in place will result in less face touching.
2: Remember when Coronavirus was upon us? How we used the hand cleaners and alcohol? Yeah. Those behaviours help prevent sickness and saved lives.
3. I don’t mind at all keeping my distance from everyone. When I was young, I would put myself in big crowds and loved it. I think those that enjoy the energy of crowds should do what feels good, and those who don’t should keep their distance. People who engage in crowds should step up their hand-washing/cleaning and be mindful of coming into contact with their elders.
4. I am appalled at how we are treating each other and how we are talking to each other, as if we are divided tribes at war. I hope everyone has made an informed decision whether to take the vaccine or not. I am disappointed in politicians and my fellow citizens that think it is acceptable to castigate others for their choices.
6. History will judge us. Will it judge us as frightened heathens or adaptive travelers?
There is no 5.
So you are not prepared to take the vaccine because it infringes your choice – you just want everyone else to be forced to wear masks instead. Got it.
Who bears the medical costs of unvaccinated persons contracting Covid? Is it the Government via HSA or CINICO? Decisions have consequences. If you are decide not to take the vaccine, as is your right, be prepared to bear your medical and funeral expenses and not have it be borne by the vaccinated. That is just selfish.
What is selfish, Brian, is you jumping on here attacking the unvaccinated considering the changing dynamics of this situation. Apparently you are unaware that it is now known that the vaccinated are also getting the virus, can spread it to others and can also become very ill and die from it. So, based on that truth let us again examine the facts and see that the vaccinated have no just reason to be exempt from paying medical and death costs associated with COVID.
CNS: According to the Israeli study, which is the most pessimistic, the Pfizer vaccine is 80% effective against even the Delta variant. That means that if you get covid, you are much much less likely to get seriously ill and die. That is fact.
9:36 comment is not about getting it easy and not dying, it is about vaxxed people having the same viral load as unvaxxed and equally spreading it. At least this is the latest tune from CDC.
Passing lightly over the stat that you are 8 times less likely to catch it if vaccinated. So you take a conscious decision which makes you 8 times less likely to be a reservoir of the disease. And you want to put that on an equal scale to those that could vaccinate, but choose not too, and run 8 times the risk of providing a vector.
Thank you once again CNS
Don’t masks work?
Sorta.
Masks don’t work! Don’t you follow Trump and De Santis? Listen to FOX news if you don’t believe me..
Cloth masks only really work if everyone wears them. This is different in the case of medical grade N95 masks where it will have a far higher chance of protecting the individual.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.communitymedical.org/CMC/media/coronavirus/Exposure-and-Masking-Infographic_English.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjh8ret5JDyAhUcRjABHSMFBw4QFnoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw3ApqzrLES-FvrhfpKOw_0m
Read comment above Bobo
And who will bear the medical cost when the VACCINATED get sick ???
It should be those that smuggled the virus in selfishly and ignorantly instead of taking precautions to limit the spread on our tiny shores like testing themsevles before traveling.
Never heard more BS in my life. You bring a deadly virus to our shores to expose the vulunerable residents here and expect to punish them for it?
the tiny percentage that does require hospitalization will be fine. Unvaxxed unfortunately don’t have those stats.
We are all required by law to have health care. Those that are unemployed or considered ‘indigent’ have minimal CINICO coverage.
Nobody has to pay for any other group’s choices. We all pay into various funds to make it work for all of us.
My greatest concern is for the health services workers if we have a great spread of CV-19. as our existing health services could be easily overwhelmed, and those at the literal front line would be at great risk, vaccinated or not.
Yes. Things are fine as they are. Most people will take the gene therapy in a few years once the long term side effects are known. Until that time we should keep things as they are. If government is facing a monetary hole they should implement an income tax. If hotels and tourism fall over then they should pivot to quarantine facilities.
People have health insurance for a reason and pay large sums of money every year for medical coverage. If you get sick- regardless if it’s Covid or something else. You would be covered because we PAY for it. You nor anyone else has the right to call for unvaccinated people not to have their medical costs covered
Thank you. The health insurance for which I pay could finance the mortgage of a moderate house.
Those of us that are older pay more to ‘flatten the curve’ of the health issues of the young……… if I can be allowed to use such a vulgar term.
Who bears the medical costs of adverse reactions of Vaccinated?
Insurance cos?
Insurance companies always recover their costs. Insurance is like betting against yourself and hoping you lose. In the end, we all pay.
Decisions and selfishness!!
Look in the mirror, what do you see?
Who bears the cost of people who smoke and abuse alcohol and many other unhealthy life choices. What about the obese parents bringing their obese kids to fast food chains on their way to school everyday of the week. Have no doubt about it the vast majority are our own Caymanians too lazy to get out of bed 30 minutes earlier to make a healthier and much cheaper breakfast for their children.
I bear that cost like any other person paying health insurance.
Obesity and fast food, National choices beared by all. I will never begrudge Vaxxers or non Vaxxers my coin to look after them, since I already pay for the unhealthy lifestyles of thousands of the population, whose deaths will always far outweigh the very few who will die of Covid.
Open your eyes!
She needs to tell Chris Saunders that.
LATEST NEWS: Israel has roll out a THIRD BOOSTER PFIZER shot because the two doses has went down to 64% effectiveness against the new DELTA variant. So they have began vaccinating the elderly with a third dose. .. I can see where this is heading – Covid Vaccine Passports to keep record of the number of doses each year to fight future variants. I feel they are making this up as they go along.
I had my two jabs in February. I would pay for a booster tomorrow.
And my comment a few days ago that we are 0% of a 3rd shot was thumbed down repeatedly. Get with the times people and government! If you cannot convince people to take one shot, how are you going to convince them take three? Will that be 3 in 9 weeks? The point is, 80% to open up cannot work. The only solution to opening up, is those who wish to get repeated vaccines can. Those who Who don’t have to mask up. There is no other way!
Well how do you expect Pfizer to keep their earnings up?
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/covid-pfizer-pfe-earnings-q2-2021.html
Get up, brush your teeth, take your booster, go to work.
Is this Your life or MY life….
I miss John-John
As long as you aren’t out on a full moon you’ll be ok.
The comment is wasn’t a compliment to John John. We just could never fathom he’d be replaced by someone even less capable. These people think a new pair of glasses make them look intelligent.
Turner says
“We have to respect the rights of people. I don’t feel that any point in time ever was it pushed from this ministry, myself or my government that anything would be mandatory.”
Next CNS headline story:
Work Permit vaccine mandate soon come!
Is she even in this Government? Not ready for prime time at all.
God help us.
Disconnect among the cabinet me thinks
I don’t know how many times to say this and maybe CNS can put it in better terms..
No one is forcing Work Permit holders to get vaccinated.
If you are a work permit holder you have a “CHOICE” you can either follow the law and get your vaccine. If you don’t at the end of your work permit you will not be granted another one and your company will have the opportunity to hire a Caymanian or an expat if need be. Your contract ends at the end of your permit. Work permits are never automatically renewed.
Any new work permit holders coming in will be advised that they have to be vaccinated to come to work on the island. If you don’t want to get vaccinated then your company will find someone with the same qualifications to fill your position. Again it is the person’s “CHOICE” as to whether they want to com to Cayman or not..Like anywhere else in the world you must obey that country’s laws or you can choose not to go..Just that simple, the CHOICE is yours..
Hope this helps
Not helpful at all. There is always a choice. Work permit holders will be held to a different standard. They will be mandated to do so.
“Turner said the vaccination has been scientifically proven to be the best available form of defence against COVID-19.”
The proof is in the pudding and it’s only just been put into the oven.
Let’s face it all the ‘vaccines’ are experimental as none have been fully approved by the FDA and obviously no results will be available for 4-5 years or longer as to the long term effects of any that may occur.
If we had those hard facts that proved to ALL that these experimental ’vaccines’ were in fact safe even the God/Yahweh/Jehovah/Saints on Toast brigade worshippers would take it in the years ahead, maybe not all but we’d surely be at 90%.
But that’s the crux in this entire situation. Any free society that forces or coerces its citizens to put something into their bodies against their will proves that we are not living in free society.
Personally I don’t care who is a vaxxer or anti-vaxxer. We are all taking a chance, some more than others. None of us will know the answer until years ahead.
Does that freedom include the ability to willfully spread a virus to other free people?
Hey, she or he did not invent the virus and doesn’t intentionally spreads it. As it has turned out, preliminary data of corse, vaccinated folks unknowingly to them spreading it as well.
Stop talking nonsense! That would be like saying the vaccinated willfully spread the virus. Covid is here forever just like the common cold.
Pfizer, AZ and Moderna likely to get full fda approval in the next couple of months so they can drop this silly ‘experimental’ wording. 4bn shots now administered; must be the most trialed drugs in history. The antivaxxers are going to have to make up some more lame excuses by October.
Anyone who thinks the jabs are experimental is uneducated and incredibly foolish. They are safe and clearly work.
Then they will say the FDA rushed to full approval..We will not win with these Anti-vaxxers. I say open the borders and let’s start culling the herd naturally.
I say keep the borders closed and bring on an income tax to cover any supposed short fall in goverment revenue. This is a plague and people want to being in contaminated persons and be allowed to walk around like free range chickens. It’s insane!
Full FDA approval likely by September.
People will soon have to come up with another excuse. Perhaps local infections will speed their thinking.
R.Mugabe the only Vaccine that was not Experimental, was the one that came from GOD!
And his silly prayers and donkey comments at the news conferences, lol how ridiculous those times were!
I am not anti vaccination however I am aware of several people who got both vaccines and they came down with health issues that they never had before. Then I am aware of some people who got both vaccines yet they had no complications. So unless government has some published statistical numbers as to how many people are fully vaccinated and how many came down with medical issues, I’m reluctant to take the shots. Give me some stats so I can make a sound decision for me and my family. On another note, why are we rushing to open the borders to go into another lock down again? If it is the business community pushing for this are they aware of how many small businesses that are unable to survive another lock down? Then what happens to the unvaccinated children? The scientists have all confirmed vaccinated people can be carriers of the Delta variant.
“Aware of” on Facebook?
Well you’re the only person in cayman who is aware of such things then. Sounds like nonsense to me as no one else in the world seems to suffer after 2 Pfizer jabs. I think you’re a troll
No – they are not the only one. And there is data showing sickness and ailments following the vaccines that are not being associated to the vaccines. I think it is ridiculous that for the entire first year of the pandemic anything that happened to someone was caused by “COVID” if the person had a positive PCR test. Killed in a motorcycle accident, but had positive PCR – “COVID Death”. Why is that suddenly no longer the meter stick? Why are we not looking at any sickness / illnesses that happen and asking – “did you get the vaccine? how long ago?” and collating that data? Seriously.
Stats? What is that? Subtract, Total, Add, Total, Subtract?
So is your plan to keep the borders closed forever? Covid is not going away.
It’s my body and it’s my choice not to be vaccinated. I would rather take a chance with virus. I have Family and friends got it and over come it.
I encourage the elderly and the sickly to be vaccinated but it’s still there choice.
Thank you but no thank you.
I’m vaccinated and don’t disagree with your personal choice. That said and like smoking, I shouldn’t have to share the cost of your choice. Insurance rates/health costs for the unvaccinated should not be placed into the rates of the vaccinated.
I see people sharing this view a lot “I shouldn’t have to share the cost of your choice”…..Be careful or insulin might not be covered because you chose to hit up burger king and dairy queen too many times. I eat veggies so type 2 diabetes should have its own category of insurance. I shouldn’t have to pay…..Slippery slopes…..
As it should! Everyone should be able to make their own decisions that won’t affect others.
Unfortunately, not wearing a mask or being unvaxed affects us all.
How you know you likewise will not pay a cost for being vaccinated? Following the Almighty CDC experts eh? We will see
CNS: Not just the CDC but public health experts all over the world who have spent decades studying in their field of expertise. Or we could listen to someone who just spent 10 minutes on Google.
Their
1:32 pm: your “personal choice” would be fine if you were going to isolate from the community.
If not, your choice affects everyone you meet.
Sadly, a lot of like-minded people were regretting their choices on their death bed.
Get the vaccine and open the border!
Health [US] officials on Friday [7/30] released details of that [a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts] research, which was key in this week’s decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
The documents appear to be talking points for CDC staff to use with the public. “Acknowledge the war has changed,” an apparent reference to deepening concern that many millions of vaccinated people could be a source of wide-ranging spread.
Cayman will remain closed for years. Plan accordingly.
True. Viral load shed by vaccinated is a threat now.
12:04 pm: when the CDC observed that the “war had changed”, it was largely referring to the onset of the Delta variant, which, by the way got its tentacles in communities globally because of the lack of widespread uptake of the original vaccine.
Here is an article by the highly respected media Reuters explaining what the CDC meant and giving some context:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/skorea-announces-vaccination-plan-18-49-year-olds-2021-07-30/
It is likely that Delta is going to get here in the next few weeks, whether we open or not.
We have full flights of people coming from Miami, London and La Cieba. All of these places have high community spread.
The new data from the CDC shows Delta carriers can each infect 5-9 people, making the variant more transmissible than MERS, SARS, Ebola, seasonal flu, 1918 flu and the common cold. Delta is as transmissible as chicken pox.
Unvaccinated people are the fuel for the virus to spread and spread and spread.
We have 17 ICU beds in Health City – 6 are negative flow. We have 8 critical care beds in HSA.
We don’t have the capacity to deal with a wave of unvaccinated highly contagious people.
We have children under 12 who cannot yet be protected. We have immunocompromised people here.
The arrogance, delusion, denial, selfishness, ignorance of those wilfully spreading misinformation is horrifying. I have no words to describe my contempt for their malice and endangering of the efforts of the rest of the community to save lives.
To those who are on the fence and still undecided
Talk to your doctor if you are concerned, listen to actual experts who know you in real life whom you trust to help you make decisions to safeguard your health.
“Unvaccinated people are the fuel for the virus to spread and spread and spread.” With Delta both vaccinated and unvaccinated spread and get infected in almost equal measure. So stop spewing nonsense because it has implications for how the vaccinated will behave once this arrives here.
The first 5 days after Delta positive PCR test the average viral load of the vaccinated is slightly higher and then drops off to lower over next 20 days. This from study just released yesterday.
And you do realize that those ICUs will still be taken up a lot more by double vaccinated, fat 60 years olds than unvaccinated 20-30 year olds?
@5.34
This is just wrong. Read. The. Data. If you can’t, check with a reputable source like an epidemiologist.
FALSE: “With Delta both vaccinated and unvaccinated spread and get infected in almost equal measure. “
Nope. Delta breakthrough rate is rare,
Less than 0.004% of those fully vaccinated experienced a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization, and less than 0.001% have died from the disease, according to the latest CDC data.
Study 1: post-vax delta breakthrough infections are infrequent and when they occur, they’re typically shorter in duration (with less potential for spread) than in unvaccinated. “Vaccination is associated with faster decline in viral RNA load.”
Sources: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1
Study 2
A New England Journal of Medicine study details breakthrough COVID-19 infections in 39 of 1,497 fully vaccinated Israeli healthcare workers, with most cases mild or moderate but 19% with symptoms lingering for more than 6 weeks. No deaths or hospitalizations.
: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072
The vaccinated and unvaccinated need to mask indoors in areas with community spread. The virus needs to be starved of hosts.
FALSE: “And you do realize that those ICUs will still be taken up a lot more by double vaccinated, fat 60 years olds than unvaccinated 20-30 year olds?”
The unvaccinated are at a far greater risk. Period.
Re the chart
Post-vaccination infections can occur. Vaccines are not 100% but they prevent a VAST majority of infections, transmission, and NEARLY all hospitalizations and deaths. Vaccinated individuals have a 25-fold reduction in risk of death, a 25-fold reduction in risk of hospitalization,and an 8-fold reduction in risk of disease. That speaks for itself. We are currently looking at ~88% effectiveness against symptomatic infection and ~90-95% effectiveness against severe disease and ~75-80% effectiveness at preventing any infection.
Source: leaked internal CDC data
https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/cdc-breakthrough-infections/94390e3a-5e45-44a5-ac40-2744e4e25f2e/?fbclid=IwAR2881cajn1sKc2E4gQDY5Klaknuys1iUbYC42froq3b7EAlkzfnbyoGgA0
It’s not just about looking at the data but knowing how to look at it as you have expertly demonstrated here. While probably well intentioned, you’re spreading dangerous misinformation.
1. You’re misreading the first study in Singapore. It includes only people admitted to hospital not all infections. That’s 218 people hospitalized vs over 1,100 total infections. The majority of infections is among vaccinated which overlaps with vaccine coverage. Therefore, the vaccine does not protect against catching or spreading covid in any meaningful way, it reduced chances of hospitalization (in Singapore). And there were zero cases of death both among vaccinated and unvaccinated.
2. The second study you quote for Israel that you quote included almost no cases of Delta variant and shows 85% of these breakthrough infection cases as Alpha variant. Delta is 90% of all cases in the world. It’s an outdated and meaningless study and shows you just how fast these things change. Next month Delta could mutate more and be an even threat to vaccinated and unvaccinated.
3. As for your claim that unvaccinated are at greater risk period regardless of age is wrong and you haven’t looked at the data. In Singapore among the 65,102 infections to date there was not a SINGLE death of anybody under the age of 43.
But Singapore is a special case anyways as it’s the country with by far the lowest case fatality rate in the world at 5 basis points vs a more commonly observed 20 to 50 basis points around the world (based on serology estimated covid exposed population).
And in general risk of dying and ICU stay for a 60 year old is over 100 times higher and for a 75 year old 250 times higher than for a 25-30 year old, bigger than any benefit from a vaccine, especially with Delta.
Yes^^^^ Time will tell who fills up the hospital beds! It’s like all those middle of the night infomercials. There is no quick fix that will save you! You can’t be unhealthy and get a jab to save you.
10.58pm Delta will be here in by October at the latest, on two wings and a runway.
Remember to go get vaccinated, or else a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus that they were vaccinated against, because you’re not vaccinated
Best one yet. So true.
Remember to go get vaccinated, or else a vaccinated person might get sick from a variant of the virus that they were vaccinated against, because enough people were too stupid to not get vaccinated and allowed it to mutate.
Fixed it for you.
I do not consent to a mandatory vaccine. You will have to kill me. Who wants to live in this crazy world anyway.
Life was simple and peaceful when we communicated via letters and phone calls were expensive. .
No one has to kill you. The virus will do that for us on its own one day.
99.7% chance it won’t.
I don’t think you understand statistics
I agree.
Such a drama Queen..Get over yourself. No one is forcing you to take the vaccine. The problem is people like you don’t read or accept anything that is anti-vaxx related without doing any research. It is obvious you didn’t read this one..
“Despite the government’s best efforts at education, Turner accepted that some people will remain anti-vaccine and there would be no mandate for people to get the shots, but she said that people needed to be aware what it means not to be vaccinated.”
Good that Turner herself got educated just as she was becoming Minister for health.
Gossip and ignorance is what thrives in these islands not facts
It does not help to have a loud mouth goon like that mario rankine on facebook spreading misinformation including his uneducated views because he is desperate for attention
Yeah! Knock it off, Mario! Nobody cares what you think.
He makes it look bad for the unvaccinated. I believe he is just scoring political points.
Absolute idiot! Bragging on BBC that he made 4 1/2 million CI dollars from the CI government after hurricane Ivan and now cursing everything and every government Cayman has! He’s one of them persons that needs be thankful and shut up! Enjoy your Ferrari’s and stay locked up in your big home and make us open up and get to work!
Find Mario and tell him all of what you said here, face to face. I dare you to do that 5:43. No? I thought not!
Threatening much? I’m not scared of him either!
Well don’t you sound jealous…. “Enjoy your Ferrari’s and stay locked up in your big home”.
Jealous? Nah. Don’t need to be a show off and be extravagant. Might not have all you have but I’m happy with what I have and don’t need material things to make me happy. I have love and life. Peace!
Doesn’t sound so bobo
Yep, between Mario and Kattina this whole anti-vaxx thing has been blown out of proportion.
Both of these individuals feel like the world owes them something because of their mis-deeds over the years and are longing to find something that can make them stand out and be relevant.
Why is choice being slowly but surely taken away from individuals. Is it because the needs of the many now outweigh the needs and freedoms of the few? Is it that time? I fully understand that what you call a vaccine is proven a good thing for most of the population and I sincerely hope all who can and choose to take it will and it will work out well for them but please let me stand by my choice for my own reasons as I let you stand by yours.
Stupid is as stupid does, the vaccine gives you more of a fighting chance than not.
Nothing to do with God, Bill Gates or the illuminati.
Give yourself, your families and friends a chance, get the vaccine so we can move on with life.
By waiting for weeks after being elected before getting the vaccine herself, she and many of her PACT cohorts already reinforced the anti-vax beliefs that are unlikely to be overcome with the occasional half-hearted interview.
Time to start putting in place consequences for those choosing not to be vaccinated. GIC should start charging for PCR tests like most other countries. All eligible government employees and front line workers can choose not to be vaccinated but will be required to have weekly PCR tests paid for out of their own pockets and out of their own time. All bars and restaurants banned to the non vaccinated.
Come and get me.
Daily not weekly tests
If your vaccinated, and your truly believe in it, what does it matter to you and your like minded friends that I’m not vaccinated?
Then ensure that work permit holders can also choose to not take the vaccine. Protect the rights of all people residing in Cayman.
Finally she speaks
Poor her
Looks like a deer in the headlights
The ship has sailed. Nothing will change.
So, you’re saying I shouldn’t listen to the scienticians on WhatsApp and Facebook???
The problem is that for many people here, they’re brought up in an ultra religious setting. They’re programmed to believe all kinds of things with an uncritical mind.
Case in point is that there are a good percentage of the population that believe in obeah. There’s plenty that seem to think car accidents are the work of ‘the devil’. Others believe that gay people are an abomination. Others deny that COVID even exists.
When you have medieval beliefs, unfortunately, science isn’t your go to.
Nobody here believes in obeah, myal or voodoo. We are all evolved first-world people.
You have mixed up so many different beliefs and tried to apply them to the unmeasurable constant of “unvaccinated” that it is beyond belief.
I have taken the jab(s). I am not certain it was the right choice for me, but what I do know is that everyone has the right to research vetted medical reports and make an informed decision for themselves.
People like you probably don’t do that. You seem to feel that your beliefs allow you the right to persecute others that don’t agree with your worldview.
You don’t have the right to castigate others who disagree with you. Want to hear it again? You don’t have the right to castigate others who disagree with you.
We are all in this strange time together. Can we not act like total shits while we’re working it all out?
Please say yes.
Nope.
The people who don’t have underlying issues that prevent them from being vaccinated are dumb as posts.
COVID will arrive here, of that there is no doubt.
There’s a highly effective range of vaccines to take. You can access them here, for nothing, and yet there are people not willing to have them, despite people literally dying who never had the chance.
Yes, people can choose their path, but I’ll still condemn stupidity when I see it.
So you chose to be a heartless shit. Got it.
Listen. We have only the Pfizer mRNA vaccination here. For a brief period we had the AstraZeneca. That was my jab of choice, even though I have had blood clots in the past.
I wish you and me could sit down face to face over coffee and debate the issues. I bet I would discover that you tend toward parroting others instead of researching medical reports yourself. Here’s a hint if you chose to catch up: The European medical reports — in particular those in Germany — are quite concise and well supported.
People here don’t believe in obeah? Haha, you’re fooling yourself. There’s a good chunk of jamaicans who fully believe it, unfortunately.
“… ever was it pushed from this ministry, myself or my government that anything would be mandatory…” EXCEPT mandatory vaxx for WP holders
it is becoming nauseating talking about this over and over and over
Think discussing this health crisis is nauseating? It will be even more nauseating reading the obituaries and the Go Fund Me pleas to cover medical bills of the unvaccinated when the virus arrives and starts spreading.
It will be sickening, because it will all have been largely avoidable.
And it will be devastating when the first child under 12 gets seriously sick.
Are you the “Little Red Hen?
She needs to educate herself. Hesitancy does not mean anti-vaccine. You are asking people to take an experimental drug with long term effects unknown. I took it and I am now experiencing frequent headaches and dizziness. Why has the government not explored stocking up on budesonoid or ivermectin? Other countries are using them successfully. You will have to do better than the US CDC because the US healthcare industry is more about big pharma than about family medicine.
Even in Govt Medical is requirement for appointment. So if some one refuses medical they cant be appointed. Same to apply with vaccine.
When HIV testing was introduced hue and cry. But every one appreciates that our count was managed through that and education and education in various fronts. Let us move forward like ALT
While mandating for vaccine is not acceptable and we resoect the right not to be vaccinated,there can be some previleges that go with vaccination like allow travel, access to public places , no quarantine or reduced quarantine. Etc. Those who r against vaccination I wonder what they do when they go to France and want to dine
You cannot deny people the right to travel, especially those who are also citizens of other countries.
A dictatorship in the making. You can’t tell us what to put in our bodies!
And you 12.39 do not have the right to infect your family , neighbors, co workers and general population of a small Island.
Well said 10.58..
Vaccinated people are spreaders. Guess you haven’t been keeping up with the latest news. Can’t say it’s your fault because it changes daily.
OMG, we have a minister of health?
Strange, WHO and CDC information is often misinformation within weeks by their own revisions.
The latest CDC release being a real doozy.
CNS: 1) Scientists are learning more about the virus all the time. It is new, remember. 2) The virus is mutating, which means that what was true last week may not be true this week.
They are also learning more about the vaccine all the time. I don’t have a problem with emerging data, I have a problem with information suppression (not accussing CNS of this) while health and government officials confidently make broad and sweeping proclaimations that within weeks turn out to be incorrect. Mandatory vaccines are the most egregious. Worse, suppressed scientific warnings are turning out to be as or more accurate in some cases. Dr. Malone for example is not a mouth breathing qanon nut, he’s the inventor of the mRNA vaccine…
*CNS: Dr. Robert Malone did not invent mRNA vaccines
…he’s calm and reasoned and he’ not an anti-vaxxer including the vaccines in question. He is urging caution for vaccinating certain groups outside of high risk groups and for valid reasons.
*CNS: It doesn’t matter how calm he is. His views have been rubished as pseudoscience by experts. See here and here and here. The reason the video has been ignored by the MSM is because journalists actually fact check. Right wing outlets don’t care as long as it makes people angry and causes more trouble. This is exactly how misinformation spreads on social media – people believing rubbish and that it has been suppressed because for some obscure reason which makes no sense whatsoever, they believe that public health experts around the world want to kill people with vaccines and governments want to destroy their own economies.
Yet you won’t see him on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC or any of the main news networks, instead he’s been relegated to obscure podcasts and right wing outlets because there’s literally nowhere else for him to go. He’s not a right wing nut job. The government/big pharma/big media complex is smashing us in the face daily and I hope that people wake up to that very soon. This virus and the vaccines to combat them deserve a very robust, nuanced and cautious debate but instead we’re mostly seeing hard lines drawn between vax and antivax. Scary times.
As a journalist you are ok with this?
Five days after his DarkHorse podcast appearance, Malone’s scientific accomplishments and contributions were scrubbed from Wikipedia.
As recently as June 14, 2021, Malone’s contributions were extensively included in the historical section on RNA vaccines’ Wikipedia page.
It’s ok to disagree with Dr. Malone but his undeniable contributions to mRNA vaccine discoveries should not be erased. He is subject as anyone to being wrong about emerging vaccine efficacy, time will tell, but erasing his accomplishments and important voice on the subject matter wreak of communist style information control. Very disturbing, wrong and dangerous.
CNS: It appears that you don’t understand what Wikipedia is or how it works. You might want to fix that if you want to sound informed on the matter. Wikipedia has nothing to do with journalism. However, as a journalist I am not OK with him appearing on Fox News as an “inventor of mRNA vaccines” when he isn’t, something that he himself has admitted. That seems like fraud and journalism at its worst.
As far as his Wikipedia references go, this analysis is interesting. Quote: ‘However, from my brief analysis, I find it fairly obvious that there definitely appear to be Malone admirers out there “puffing him up.” Other Wikipedia editors caught this tampering and shut it down. I could speculate that these Malone admirers made these edits on purpose, knowing that Wikipedia’s error-correction mechanisms would catch them and lead other editors to revert their edits, thus generating a conspiracy theory about Wikipedia “erasing” Malone, but, quite frankly, I don’t think these Wikipedia tampering fans of Malone are clever or smart enough to have conceived such a plan.’
Although the Minister indicates there will be no mandates it would seem that for those who are fully vaccniated that they will bear some of the cost of those who chose not to be vaccinated. The choice not to get vaccinated is a very indivudalistic attitude and lacks community responsibility in the society in which they live. their possible infection, hospitalisation and risk factors has a cost to all of society and because of this governments or private companies should require not simply request vaccination. the is a owrld wide public health issue
Vaccinated people made up three-quarters of those infected in a massive Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak, pivotal CDC study finds.
CNS: True. See full story here. The message remains the same: your best chance of avoiding serious illness or death is to get vaccinated.
Sure, but don’t assume that there were an equal number of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons exposed in the cluster outbreak. Given the relatively higher levels of vaccinated persons in the New England area, it would actually stand to reason that it is more likely that vaccinated persons were exposed, simply because they are the majority in that region. What’s notable is that there were no deaths, a minority hospitalized, and most had no symptoms, indicating that the vaccines are working well against the Delta variant.
The state with the highest full vaccination rate is Vermont at 67.44 percent. So no, it doesn’t stand to reason.
In that New England area there were 4 hospitalized among the vaccinated and 1 among the unvaccinated. The hospitalization rate for breakthrough cases was higher for vaccinated than unvaccinated. This should send chills down your spine.
In many countries in Europe now the rate of hospitalization for vaccinated is higher than for unvaccinated, all because of Delta. Get ready for the 3rd dose vaccine. And for Europe it’s all downhill from now because over half of the population has natural immunity and in Cayman it’s zilch.
A fun way of looking at it… Cayman will be that cluster times 100x as roughly that’s how many would end up catching Delta if it we open up now without another lock down / severe restrictions. Vaccinated and unvaccinated mix similar, age profile probably similar. So you get 500 hospitalizations for Covid and from that you’d expect 10% death rate or 50 body bags if we’re lucky. Mostly among the vaccinated over 40 year olds. Careful what you wish for.
US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
“CDC Director Says There Will Be No Federal Vaccine Mandate”
“The agency had identified only 10,262 cases across the U.S. where a fully vaccinated person had tested positive for Covid. Most people who got infected after vaccination showed few symptoms, and appeared to be at low risk of infecting others.
But in the months since, the number of vaccine breakthrough cases has grown, as has the risk that they present. And while the CDC has stopped tracking such cases, many states have not. Bloomberg gathered data from 35 states and identified 111,748 vaccine breakthrough cases through the end of July, more than 10 times the CDC’s end-of-April tally”
9.49 this is totally alarmist and misleading without context:
125,000 fully vaccinated Americans tested positive which is 0.8% of the 164.2 million Americans vaccinated since January.
The vaccines work. Read the data.
Ms. Turner, you are becoming a disappointment, less than a year in office. Who are you to determine what is true and what is not? You are no expert and your statements are merely opinions, and misleading to boot. You have no idea what you are saying. Learn your job as a representative. Stop preaching and start asking questions.