One dead after 4 men gunned down on GT street

| 02/07/2021 | 256 Comments
Scene of Thursday night’s shooting on Martin Drive

(CNS): Police have opened a murder inquiry after a spate of gun violence on the streets of George Town turned deadly late last night, when one of three men gunned down on Martin Drive in the central area of the capital was killed. Three men were wounded, one of whom was treated at the murder scene and then taken to hospital, and another two men arrived at the emergency room separately by private vehicles. As they sought to reassure the community, senior police officers said that the RCIPS is increasing armed patrols.

“We understand that this is concerning, especially in light of other recent firearm incidents,” said Deputy Commissioner Kurt Walton. “In response, we are deploying additional armed patrols for heightened armed visibility. We would like to assure members of the community that we are taking this incident seriously, and public safety is always our first priority.”

This latest shooting happened at around 11:00pm Thursday, 1 July. When police arrived at Martin Lane they found two men who had been shot, one of whom was unresponsive. Emergency services attended the location and both men were transported to hospital, where the unresponsive patient, a 36-year-old man from George Town, was pronounced dead.

A third man arrived at the hospital with a gunshot wound that he was reported to have sustained in the same incident, and a fourth man arrived ten minutes before midnight, also with a gunshot wound, but police said it is not clear if he received his injuries in the same shooting.

According to social media reports, witnesses are reporting that more than a dozen gunshots were fired in what is being described as a mass shooting.

The violence follows a string of incidents over the last month involving guns around George Town and West Bay, where several men have been injured as a result of shootings at bars, shops, on the street and in home invasions in what appears to be gang-related violence that began with a shooting in the Jungle Bar. However, the RCIPS has not confirmed links between at least six firearms incidents since the beginning of June.

A Major Incident Room has now been opened as investigations continue. Anyone with any information is asked to contact the RCIPS at 649-2930.


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  1. Anonymous says:

    We have every nationality living and working on these islands.
    However, how many crimes do you hear are committed by non Jamaicans on a daily basis? None. Filipinos come here respect the island and people and are law abiding citizens for the most part as the other nationalities. Jamaicans are trying to turn this place into Kingston and we cannot accept that. I am afraid to leave my car door open and walk on my island at night. Before the flood of status grants given to Jamaicans I could have done that but not any more. They are having babies here and calling themselves Caymanians. You are Jamaican plain and simple and your culture and values are very different from Caymanians. The new Gov need to protest their own people and country and stop granting them permits and sending every single JA criminal back home. CNS is not trying to divide Cayman Jamaicans did that with their behavior and lack of respect. Enough already!!!

  2. We so foofoo says:

    Everyone seems to be in shock & blaming one particular nationality, which is wrong.

    We have had gang violence for decades now and every so often we suddenly get a spree of shooting. They kill each other off and then it stops.

    As for a nationality, let’s look at these gangs, yes some have connections to a particular country but their families have been here for generations and a majority of these criminals are Caymanian. Of course though we have to blame someone, which we Caymanians are really good at doing and never accepting that it could just be our fault!
    Reading some of the comments about this country, again how we forget, really aren’t we all from that nationality? Yes, it’s just that they went independent. Stop blaming a nationality!

    As for the importation of firearms, I love how we all know where these guns come from, what a joke, believe it of not a majority are smuggled in from the US not another Caribbean island.. Again you have to blame a certain nationality.

    Now to those who blame drugs, these guys aren’t killing each other over drugs, let’s be honest GT’rs don’t get on well with WB’rs, EE’rs are hated by most, BT’rs seem to get on with most but stir the sh@t up between all districts, and NS’rs, we just don’t think about. Yes this has been going on for decades, if fact we use to have just fist fights, then went to machetes, now firearms, it won’t change. Oh, and mostly all these crimes start off over jealousy because this person started dating a ex girlfriend of someone.

    We also can’t blame the police, they can only do so much, if you want to help, we just want to come on these forums and blame someone not really want to do anything about it. I bet a number of you know who deals drugs but won’t do anything about it!

    Nuff said for an old G who changed his life.

    • Anonymous says:

      The last time guns were imported from the US the persons involved got caught. Some persons still cannot enter the US. Most guns come from Jamaica which were acquired in the exchange of drugs with Haiti.

      • Hmmm says:

        Lol, what about the ones that haven’t been caught?
        Whilst your at it why not tell us how many people have been caught on canoes coming into the island?
        Wait a minute you can’t.

        Also regarding the case you are talking about what nationality are these persons? Hmmm not Jamaica! Wait they are all Caymanians..

  3. Anonymous says:

    Legalize cannabis, all the illegal guns coming in the canoes weekly anyways. From Jamaica as we all know.

    Police know this, too much money to fight the war on drugs any ways, which is a war against the people.

    Cayman has a firing range if you didn’t know and it’s for the wealthy only. A lot of wealthy people have legal guns in cayman. Just no one speaks of it.

    Legal guns aren’t doing crimes it’s the scratched guns that are used for years around the world for killings.

  4. Junior p says:

    Cayman has ALREDY been invaded so stop with that one.
    Jamaicans, Americans, filipinos, etc they all do the jobs caymanians refuse to do day in day out on a regular reliable basis unfortunately. Truth.

    • Anonymous says:

      The Governor needs to take the internal security of these Islands seriously.

      This is a UK matter.

    • Anonymous says:

      The Governor and the Civil Service need to take the internal security of these Islands seriously.

      This is a UK matter.

      It’s not a budgetary problem so don’t blame the local parliamentarians.

      HE has to begin with cleaning up and clearing out the corruption in the RCIPS, our prosecution service and the judiciary.

  5. Last of the Caymanian Mohican says... says:

    CNS please stop posting such vitriol on Jamaicans. It’s WRONG and DIVISIVE and tarnishes all the good Jamaicans are contributing to our society. Accept that we have our own Caymanian thugs who are the scourge. Check northward if you disbelieve and see who are the murderers and gun toting gangsters being held there.. We have feral youths with no upbringing, left to raise themselves or left to the streets to raise them and guess what they are themselves having children. Thankfully there are more very good youth than bad so let’s put all our efforts in helping them reach their goals and let the police deal with the bad ones who make their own choices.

    • Anonymous says:

      Are the good Jamaicans the churchgoing ones? cause I find them to be the weirdest.

    • Anonymous says:

      Completely agree. CNS comment section is turning into something of a cesspit of anti-Jamaican hatred. It’s horrible. All the Jamaicans I know are in construction and these guys, many of them well qualified, work their a55es off in the baking sun, day in day out with good humour. These are great people, earning good honest money. Those on here tarring them all with the same brush as these pathetic “gangsters” need to take a good look in the mirror.

      • Anonymous says:

        Go back a yard

      • Big Up! says:

        I agree 100%. Need to have a closer at all the Australian attorneys, Canadian accountants, and British journalists, as drivers of violent crime, home invasions, break and enters, sexual assaults, etc. And terrorism, while we’re at it. There are very many good Jamaicans on island, but there’s also an awful lot of bad ones as well.

        • Anonymous says:

          Those damn Canadian accountants holding up liquor stores with their hockey sticks and good manners. Terrible!

          • Big Up! says:

            Especially them. CNS, please ask government to stop the importation of hockey sticks effective immediately.

      • Anonymous says:

        11.25am Alot of them are not qualified but work cheap so we get cheap work. You obviously don’t know that decent women can’t go to local bars without being accosted by one of these predators.

        • Anonymous says:

          I’m well aware women are not safe in local bars, or Florida casinos for that matter.

    • Anonymous says:

      There are a substantial number of Jamaicans in Northward. Many of the Caymanians in Northward are also Jamaican.
      These are facts, and they need to be confronted. The great many wonderful Jamaicans in Cayman, with Caymanians, and every other nationality here, need to confront the realities and do all they can to minimize all criminality in Cayman. Denial however helps no-one.

  6. anonymous says:

    observations:

    1. Shooter was probably high on cocaine (and not the good stuff). Late at night on a weekend after cracking it up he got the gat.
    2. Number of shots fired shows a lot of anger. He was all-in after the first 5 shots and would have killed them all. Going down in a blaze of glory. It’s dumb luck he didn’t;t kill more and get us on the front page of CNN
    3. Government dodged the bullet here. Had this guy killed some innocents or more bad guys the island’s reputation would have been poor for years to follow
    4. Governor runs the police force and will need to make a bold statement here. Star raiding some homes and tapping some phones.
    5. The only way 2 people can keep a secret on this island is if one of them is dead. We all know who the bad guys are here. Raid, take them down, export them until trial so they can’t intimidate anyone.

    • Anonymous says:

      25 rounds minimum and 4 hit. more likely to before than one shooter, but what does it really matter if there is one, two or more? Either way its a lot of bullets spraying around, including entering the home of innocent by standers.

  7. Anonymous says:

    The guns and most gangs clearly have Jamaican roots, I would repatriate as many as possible and close the border to Jamaica to stop these wannabe gangsters and guns coming in. No reason caymanians can’t do the jobs Jamaicans come here to do.

    • Anonymous says:

      Exactly, Cayman was a far far better place before the invasion of Jamaicans.

      • Anonymous says:

        We seperated from them for a reason. We didn’t want to be pulled down into chaos.

        • Anonymous says:

          But instead we decided to follow in uncle sam’s foot steps and now this is the results, active shooting is what this was because they were innocent people who were shot.
          Way to go cayman, we adopted an americanized society of greedy, selfish self minded demons that brought their hate and crosses here with them, it’s because of them why the world has terrorism.
          Cayman was built on the backs of jamaicans and it’s a fact that caymanians are descendants from Jamaica and the reason everyone trys to blame them for anything bad that happens here is because Jamaica adapted the same americanized mentally many years ago, why is it that Cuba the biggest of the Caribbean islands don’t have as much crime as the rest of us, because Castro wouldn’t allow america to enter there.
          Just remember jamaicans was here from the beginning and northward prison wasn’t built until the early 80s so let the facts show what road we’re heading down in the near future and if we keep on it then this is what the end results shall be.

      • Anonymous says:

        When, the 1700s?

      • Anonymous says:

        Before the invasion of Caymanians too

      • Anonymous says:

        I’m so confused because from day one Jamaicans have been in Cayman. Your argument not sound sir/ma’am

      • Anonymous says:

        Hilarious – Caymanians are pure Trump ideology. 100% legal immigration Trump utopia but Caymanians go one step further and want to kick out legal migrants based on nationality. Put a mirror in front of your face and realize you’re far more Trump utopia than President Trump. Instead of Americafirst just replace it with Caymanians first which is the slogan for all the Cayman politicians

    • Anonymous says:

      No reason? Can think of two. One, Jamaican s do jobs Caymanians don’t want to do. Two. There are way more Jamaicans here on work permits than there are unemployed Caymanians. But don’t let the facts get in the way.

      • Anonymous says:

        Can’t get rid of them and send them back to Jamaica. They all have anchor babies and the human rights lawyers defend them for free!

        • Anonymous says:

          And their unwanted babies will also depend on NAU . Thanks Mac for having done so much damage to Cayman.

        • Anonymous says:

          I dont have a child and refuse to procreate with a Caymanian because I do not want my child to exist with any mental or learning disability. Many many Jamaicans here echo my sentiment. We are the least bit interesting in these so called anchor babies.

          • Anonymous says:

            “I don’t have child”

            Lucky us. One can only assume you will pass on your prejudiced nature. Humble yourself. If Cayman Islands are so full of disabled people, why are you even here?

            Your comment says more about you than the nationality you are attempting to disrespect. You just appear bitter and in need of a hug and/or relocation to a country with a local population that you have some respect for.

            • Anonymous says:

              Just as how many caymanian parents passed on their hatred and prejudice for Jamaicans? Funny how the world works. If it is ok for your kind to slander my ppl then why should I hold back? I learnt to hate caymanians after coming to cayman and experiencing the hypocrisy, discontent and disregard for Jamaicans. My comment is a reflection of the personality you caymanians have forced me to take on. Maybe if you stopped leading with hate the other side will reciprocate? Looking forward to reading your comment filled with cayman kindness dear.

              • Anonymous says:

                So you’re prejudiced because other people are prejudiced? Like I said, lucky us. Carry on.

                • Anonymous says:

                  If you have a friend who curses you out and plays hypocrite with you would you want to be a hypocrite as well and continue the friendship? I will not be a hypocrite so I’ve stated my honest feelings towards caymanians. Saying caymanian to refer to ALL a unnu just as how you guys consistently say Jamaicans to refer to ALL a we.

                  • Anonymous says:

                    I don’t blame other people for how I choose to act so I can’t relate to this foolishness. I’m confused as to why someone would choose to act like people they don’t like. If you don’t like prejudice, why would you feed into it?

                    The crazy thing is that you think you are not being a hypocrite. But you are and to make it crazier, You’re literally blaming caymanians in general for YOUR lack of class. It’s insane.

                    Grow up, move somewhere where you can learn to be a civil human being because you obviously are struggling with it on this island.

              • Anonymous says:

                I’m glad that there is a Jamaican that has finally admitted to hating caymanians. And I quote “ I learnt to hate caymanians” not some, or those that hate us but a very general ALL. I work in the construction industry and feel the hate daily. Racism and prejudice comes from all directions. Stop the judgements on the color of my skin or accent that I speak with. Caymanians, Jamaicans, Americans, Canadians etc are all guilty of this behavior. The Hypocrisy is real.

                • Anonymous says:

                  I do not hate caymanians because of the colour of their skin and their accent, those factors are petty. Plenty high colored/white ppl in jamaica and every parish has it’s accent and dialect. I hate caymanians, or as I stated above, I learned to hate caymanians because of the treatment my father received, how my coworkers would openly belittle and class Jamaicans right before me and say to me ‘o you’re different’, how I witnessed caymanian women desperately wanting jamaican men having kids with them then never allowing them to see these kids and turn around and say they are worthless Jamaicans. That’s just a few of the incidents that taught me my hatred. So yes, I was taught to hate caymanians by caymanians.

    • Anonymous says:

      Lol. I’m intrigued to know how a thousand unemployed and unqualified Caymanians are going to replace 10,000 Jamaicans including at the very least a 1000 qualified trades.

      • Anonymous says:

        If they continue having 5 kids per woman they will be able to fill the gap real soon.

    • Anonymous says:

      Let’s see how many Caymanians will apply to become a nanny or a maid, do construction and yard work on the pitiful salaries paid to these hardworking Jamaicans who come to Cayman just make a better life for themselves. Most of the Caymanians who you claim could be applying for these jobs to make an honest living, would rather sell drugs or do nothing and simply leach off their family or the government. Stop hating on all Jamaicans because of a few bad apples in the bunch!

  8. Anonymous says:

    For me, the takeaway from this latest factless incident report is that the Police either know the cause and characters and aren’t saying by some gangster agreement, or genuinely have no clue about what happens on their community beat. If the explanations are either corruption or incompetence, which is worse? I read this and think (again) we need an overhaul of the RCIPS. This can’t be what we are paying 400+ full time to do.

    • D. Truth says:

      The first thing to do is get the firearms away from the people illegally carrying (and using) firearms in the Cayman Islands. Enact the death penalty for anyone carrying a firearm illegally. It might not stop the killing but it will reduce the shooting. I see nothing wrong with a person carrying a firearm if he chooses, as long as he has a license to carry. This does not mean that everyone can carry a gun!
      Guns don’t kill people. People kill people!

      • Anonymous says:

        You can kindly go back to Nazi Germany.

      • Anonymous says:

        So kill people who have guns…okay.

        You considered Pyongyang?

      • Anonymous says:

        Listen. The USA has diluted people’s critical thinking when it comes to guns. Fortunately here the illegal guns are only killing people who are playing gangster games so I’m not too worried about my family.

        • Anonymous says:

          Jeremiah Barnes age 4? He wasn’t playing gangster games, even if his dad was. How about the householder in martin Drive that had two rounds go into his house? That ok too, because its not happening in your toney neighborhood?

          • Anonymous says:

            You can assume about me all you want. I don’t live in an affluent neighborhood but I don’t have the problems gangster wannabe areas do either. We are very lucky to be in Cayman considering in the USA or Jamaica the gun violence does actually effect innocent lives more than .00001% of the time.

            • Anonymous says:

              Actually the murder rate in Cayman exceeds that of the USA every other year and that’s without the legal guns… Go figure!…they aren’t worried about tourism and the US is a democracy…. Something we pretend to be but are not… There media purpose is to have accountability but we ignore that because we are not free nor are we accountable.

  9. Anonymous says:

    We need to get KaMala Harris to study the root causes of these shootings… Could be caused by climate change…

  10. Anonymous says:

    Who would thought mass shooting in Cayman. Is this where progress has gotten us to? Anyone to blame here are all of our politician past and present. Poor representation of the people, weak immigration enforcement and the lack of foresight.

    • Anonymous says:

      No the only people to blame are the losers running around playing ikkle gangsta; many more people grew up in the same circumstances they did and are good people who are making something of their lives.

      • Anonymous says:

        But that’s the difference between good parents and terrible parents. Everyone knows you can all be in a poor situation and not always raise shit poor people. Just look around at all the baby mamas and baby daddies who have five kids each with a different parent.

  11. Anonymous says:

    And it’s always the law abiding citizen who is left in danger while criminals get their guns illegally. People should be able to have guns to defend themselves from criminals.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yeah that works so well in the US.

      • Anonymous says:

        You are correct! States where citizens can legally carry weapons have much less gun-related crime. I legally carried a handgun for many years, but hever had to use it. If a felon knows that people could be carrying it does make a difference!

        • Anonymous says:

          That’s completely untrue. Not once am I worried about my children being shot at school like I would be if they were going to school in the states. Or a movie theater or just walking on the street. The US is completely crippled by guns. That’s the downfall of the US unfortunately it’s not that great of a place.

          • Anonymous says:

            The US is not completely crippled by guns. Will you please come to the US and visit? Where I live, I do not think we have ever had a gun crime. I can leave my doors unlocked. I can walk down the street at any hour day or night. I have no fears of being shot. Yes, there are areas where gun crime is at an alarming rate, but there are other parts of the US that are extremely peaceful. We are a huge country. Please come visit.

            • Anonymous says:

              I’m American and it is crippled by gun violence. My comment above still stands. There’s a reason I left that crime riddled meth head country.

              • Anonymous says:

                I am an American and I agree with you. I absolutely dread the thought of returning to the US because of the prevalence of guns and gun violence,

              • Anonymous says:

                Well… it’s not in my town or even in the towns around me. I do not live in fear. Sorry you do.

          • Anonymous says:

            Sorry. The same people who ignore the gun laws in CI are the same type who ignore the gun laws in the USA. Like the post above yours – I carry all the time. And yes, once it has made a difference and it was only because he could see that I had it. Never pulled it, never threatened with it – made all the difference.

        • Anonymous says:

          Complete garbage. With the singular exception of California the most violent States with the most gun deaths are all “Shall” issue or “No permit needed” CCW states.

          False information and bad logic.

      • Anonymous says:

        If the police aren’t protecting us, what do you suggest?

        • Anonymous says:

          To not play gangster games considering they seem to only be shooting each other here.

        • Anonymous says:

          You’ve been shot at have you? No, you haven’t. And even if you had, possetion of a gun would almost certainly made zero difference to your situation. It is BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS, that the easier access to guns is the higher gun crime is. Open your eyes and look around the world.

    • Anonymous says:

      Why don’t you go live in America 11:00pm since your trigger finger is so itchy,
      You know what would happen to the people of the cayman islands, just turn on the news and you can see what no gun control is doing to America,
      And it is a fact that most active shooters were in deed straight, clean, law abiding citizens.

      • Yosemity Sam says:

        Are you nuts? You seem to know very little about gun laws in the U.S.

        • Anonymous says:

          Wtf are you talking about, you seem to have your head stuck in the sand.
          I don’t need to know about gun laws in America because obviously every time you watch the news or watching YouTube you can see the devastation caused by guns and the law abiding citizens who just cracked one day and decided to get up and kill innocent people.

        • Anonymous says:

          No the poster is correct and you seem to know even less about gun laws in America if you think that there’s any control over guns.

        • Captain Kirk says:

          When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Like in Cayman.

    • Anonymous says:

      Stop watching Fox News; it will rot your brain.

      • Jah loves these Islands says:

        Stop watching CNN, it’ll destroy your common sense.

        • Anonymous says:

          It’s very sad that you say that because there’s plenty of ways to get news and if you are trying to defend Fox News you’re just one of those people that can’t freely find the truth. It’s quite sad that you can be so easily manipulated to believe untruths.

          • Anonymous says:

            Sadly, most Americans are easily manipulated to the point where they don’t even know it is happening.

            As a local who lived in America before COVID, it was so appalling to see how many Americans either lack critical thought or simply choose not to use those skills. Almost zombie-like.

            Don’t get me wrong, I loved my time in America and do not mean bash or degrade American people or the country in any way. However, it is very concerning considering their global influence and the ideals being set around the world based on their recent past examples.

            I certainly and genuinely hope those are the few and not the many. To be honest, it is very scary just from the outside looking in.

            I hope they all wake up and find out who the real manipulators are before it is too late for them and ultimately us all.

        • Anonymous says:

          Actually, I read multiple sources. That’s no doubt a foreign concept to you.

    • Anonymous says:

      OMG. How stupid does one have to be to believe more guns would make Cayman safer?

      America has been running that experiment for the whole world to see and the results are obvious.

      #lame

      • STX says:

        You don’t hear it on the news because self defense doesn’t fit the news narrative. It happens all the time usually with no shots being fired and the bad guy simply running away.

    • Anonymous says:

      Most mass shootings happen in where? Gun free zones.

      • Anonymous says:

        BS

        • Anonymous says:

          It’s a fact, at least within the borders of the United States.

          • Anonymous says:

            But there are no fun free zones in the
            US – the right to gun ownership is a Constitutional right. What are you babbling about?

        • Anonymous says:

          Nope that is usually the case. But don’t bother researching it.

          • Anonymous says:

            Define mass shooting and “gun free zone”. The simple fact is the States with the easiest access to guns, that is, States with shall issue CCW permits and states that do not require permits to CC have by far the worst gun crime.

    • D. Truth says:

      Absolutely!…….. but he (or she) must nave a licence proving them mentally and physically able to do so.

    • Anonymous says:

      One would suspect that of the 4 who got shot not one of the would be considered eligible to legally carry a firearm…

  12. Chet Oswald Ebanks says:

    Ok, Let me add me 2 cents. RCIPS is a joke. Everytime a gun incident or any other incidents occur RCIPS always asking The Public for assistance. Well here this loud and clear please Mr. Police Commissioner. Can we get a police presence on the roads im the West Bay district. Everyday its like cat and mouse, bad drivers, speeding, on cell phones. Pedestrians having to jump off the roadway because nothing but speeding drivers. It works both ways if the RCIPS don’t understand. You all police officers are paid a pretty salary each month. Try spending less time behind desks in air conditioned offices. And stop driving around in police cars with your windows up. While accidents are happening daily, but the RCIPS says they are doing more patrols. Right, please show a presence in the district of West Bay.

    Thank you.

    • Ed says:

      I disagree. I see more speed traps and cars being pulled over in West Bay than anywhere else.

    • Anonymous says:

      If you don’t see cops harassing motorists in West Bay you must be blind!

      In any event I disagree. I see the police targeting me for easy fines I’m less inclined to help them.

      • Anonymous says:

        So don’t do the things you know are wrong that you can be fined for, dummy. Then, don’t blame the police for ticketing you. Then, when you’re ready to accept responsibility, welcome to the world of grown ups.

        • Anonymous says:

          Lol. You presumptious twerp. I got a $300 parking ticket on a Sunday morning in West Bay from some officious policewoman. If that’s the kind of policing you want that’s great. Personally I think it’s counter productive.

          • Anonymous says:

            Don’t park in the middle is the street. They should give out more parking tickets here it’s dangerous where people stop and park usually. It all just comes down to being absolutely lazy you’ll park in the way of traffic flow just so your lazy ass doesn’t have to walk an extra metre.

      • Anonymous says:

        Well just take the tint off your car, properly display your license plate and stop speeding it’s not that hard I’m never harassed by cops because I follow laws.

      • Anonymous says:

        So you obviously know you are doing something wrong as you can easily be a target for easy fines, maybe you are a part of the problem.

  13. JB says:

    Yeah- but who put the peppah in the vaseline?

    Thats the real question.

    People need to stop trying to speculate where the perpetrators are from. Enough of the guessing. Does it matter?

    The point and question here is people shooting people…and what are they doing it for? Do YOU really know? Where you there or not? If so, then tell the 5’Oh. If not, zipit.com and log out.

    As with any other country, if you keep the system the way it is, it will keep failing. Be careful of being judgmental as that $*** will come back to haunt you.

    People have to make money these days. So, if you don’t give them an opportunity the “correct” way, then the hustle begins. Open your eyes folks. This is not Cayman in the 50’s/60’s….never will be again.

    Listen…I miss hangin out at Ol’Juds….And Holiday Inn with a 10$ all you can eat Sunday breakfuss…and having beach access pretty much everywhere…BUT…that was 30+ years ago.

    Gangs were still present then…just not as PUBLICLY violent. Outta sight…outta mind.

    It’s not just Cayman folks…it’s everywhere.

    Do something. Do I have the one size fits all solution? Nope- nobody does.——> Its a community effort. <——

    A bit if history for you if ya dont know…and probably more commonly known in Bob Marley’s “War” message which he basically transcribed a message from Haile Selassie I (the first) from the Paris UN summit for the League of Nations address:

    Article 2:
    “Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereign”

    THAT WAS FROM 1948!!!

    Question things….change. The only way forward.

    “I don’t want no peace….I need equal rights, and justice” P.Tosh.

    • Anonymous says:

      It matters where they are from because if they are not from here our border controls have failed, and should be improved to minimize the prospects of repetition.

      • Anonymous says:

        I’ve paid over $60,000 just to get here from the U.K.

        Monaco next, I can’t stand this dump

    • Captain Kirk says:

      These are not incidents. Call them what they are, SHOOTINGS by criminal elements who are the sole owners of illegal fire arms.
      Murder is not incidental, in these cases of violence when these criminals chose to fire weapons the bullet does not differentiate where it goes or whom it kills children, babies.
      I am deeply concerned about the the future of these Islands if this criminal activity is allowed to continue to forment.
      Cut off the head of this snake before it devours the community and the good reputation of our country.

      • Anonymous says:

        This criminal activity, as you call it, has been going on for decades. Every few years, it rears its ugly head and several gangbangers are killed. Remember the brazen raid on the gang member in the hospital 15 years ago or so? Remember the police with high powered rifles on the roofs of building in George Town when the gang member was being brought into court? I do. This isn’t a good thing, but it’s not like it’s unprecedented.

        • Anonymous says:

          Wow, never heard of this at all. Ppl always say Cayman has no gun problem but it seems gang war is a significant issue here.

      • Anonymous says:

        It the PPM fault.

      • Anonymous says:

        It is too late.

    • Anonymous says:

      Your windbag summary counters your own advice on speculation.

    • Beaumont Zodecloun says:

      With respect, this has nothing to do with equality. I don’t disagree that complete equality is necessary in the Cayman Islands, however those folk who choose to live within a world of violence are not marginalised due to a lack of equality. They are folk who choose to ignore the laws and victimise law-abiding citizens, and for that, I have zero sympathy for them.

      If someone chooses to break into my home, or hold me up or steal from me, they have not earned the right to plead poverty. I would NEVER do any of those things, regardless of the stresses put upon me and my family. I would take the lowest paid job before that and would do it until I could rise up to better pay. That’s being a man, not a punk.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Time to implement the controversial but highly effective Stop and Frisk policy. Thugs don’t deserve to have the same rights as the civilized.

  15. Chris Johnson says:

    I see once again ex pats get it in the neck. Let me remind you that Meals on Wheels was set up by Rotary on the drive and enthusiasm of a Canadian, Larry Chomyn. Many of the delivery people of this food are expats.
    The Scranton area has a number of residents who are the recipients of food supplied by Meals on Wheels. A certain well known past president of the Rotary club has been delivering such food sine the programme started. You may have heard of him , Derek Haines MBE. In future perhaps he should wear a gun to protect the citizens of Scranton. By the way I know how well he can shoot.

    • Anonymous says:

      Correct. “Immigration” is the finger pointing solution.

      Instead- question the motives and not “yeah…they muss be foreign”.

      Just go ahead and stop all the planes and cruise ships from coming in and we will solve this immi..…oh wait…plandemic got that one on check already…..but, its still and immigration issue.

    • Anonymous says:

      Expats here, like every group, include amazing productive, community-minded, citizens like Larry/Iris, Derek, YOU (Chris) and many many many others! On the flip side, some of the most disgusting dregs of our society are also expats. The latter is whom people are referring to even if not specified.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s funny; they blame immigrants for committing the crime, then when it turns out not to be, they blame immigrants for taking away their opportunities. When it turns out the criminal had far more opportunities than the immigrant ever had, well, it’s still immigrants fault. We’ve no idea why but it’s definitely immigrants!

    • Anonymous says:

      Mr Johnson,

      Your unfortunate revision of history is exactly the reason why many Caymanians balk today and regret their kindness to all who washed up on our shores.

      Your name carries a lot of weight but it would have been far more credible for you to include the fact that the concept of feeding the elderly in the community began with Martha McField. Rotary then partnered with Beulah McField- to take it to another level and make it the successful program it is today.

      It is important to note that both of these ladies are proud, multi-generational, black Caymanian women.

      You see this narrative is important because when you stroke yourselves for your good deeds or stand around at the cocktail parties or have side bars in the office, it’s amazing how many of you only recall the actions and contributions of those you consider your peers or equals.

      Although neither Ms Martha or Ms Beulah are your peers or equals, nevertheless they deserve the respect of being acknowledged and to not simply wind up as a byline in your narrative.

      Anyone who disrespects our community should get it in the neck whether they are from here or not.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anyone who disrespects our community should get it in the neck whether they are from here or not.

        Fall in line or face death. Nice sentiment of Caymankind.

      • Anonymous says:

        So all that stuff from Mr Johnson about Mr Chomyn/Rotary/Meals on Wheels is lies, 12:36? Chomyn played no part? Just Ms McField?

        • Anonymous says:

          Since you lack critical thinking and reading comprehension let’s review the statement:

          “Let me remind you that Meals on Wheels was set up by Rotary on the drive and enthusiasm of a Canadian, Larry Chomyn. Many of the delivery people of this food are expats.”

          The point was that he ignored others and is running around telling people that the Canadian guy started it all. He did not do it alone and worked with another Caymanian lady to build on what was started by a Caymanian. Had he said that the chap had helped to set it up, or was one of the driving forces behind setting it up, it would have been more inclusive, fair and appropriate.

          Too often we love to give credit to our peers and ignore the equally important contributions of others. No doubt Chomyn believed in the cause, and used his connections, clout and passion build MoW. But he didn’t do it alone which is what Chris Johnson unfortunately infers.

          Your inability 12:36 to distinguish the point demonstrates defense of behavior that smacks of racism and classism. Sadly it goes on everyday in the elite circles of this country but we are calling out the BS and holding the elite accountable.

    • Hjacques says:

      God forbid Haines going into Scranton. He would clean up the place.

  16. Anonymous says:

    It’s not the first and it definitely won’t be the last.

  17. Anonymous says:

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

  18. Truth says:

    When your leadership is Gangsta, your youth will be Gangsta. You were expecting them to turn out like the Governor?

    • Anonymous says:

      Jamaicans

      • Anonymous says:

        No where in this article mentions Jamaicans, so why must you? If you have any information call the number in the article. A man was murdered and a dozen shots were fired. I think that should be your focus.

        • Anonymous says:

          Which nationality, in particular, exhibits a cultural acceptance of reproducing outside of a stable family unit, and not providing for the progeny?

          Do such unstable family units increase or decrease the prospect of the children struggling to fit into society, and even turn to criminality?

          • Anonymous says:

            And which nationality gets in line to breed with them?

          • Anonymous says:

            7:44, in answer to the question posed in your first paragraph, the answer is Caymanian (though it is not strictly a nationality) in addition to others.

          • Anonymous says:

            Caymanians of course. Jamaicans too, Americans, Canadians and UK nationals. Right now my neighbour from the US has TWO caymanian baby mothers and he has been here for about 2 years, my coworker from the US had to flee Cayman with her 6 year child because her caymanian husband was abusive and a serial cheater. Last but not least I know 2 sets of caymanian twins same father, same age, different mothers and the father has been absent in their lives since they were born. The question you ask is applicable to every nationality. Not sure what the point of such a question was anyways.

            • Anonymous says:

              Comes down to self-respect and people need to teach their children a little bit better. the boys should be taught to respect women and the women should be taught to respect themselves.

    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t know. Does the Governor carry a gun?

  19. Anonymous says:

    If only the football pitch had lights.

  20. Anonymous says:

    3 Untapped new industries..
    Numbers Lotto
    Topless beaches
    Recreational Ganja

  21. WBW Czar. says:

    This is what happens when you deny young Caymanian men the chance to succeed in opportunities that are given away to expats. The school to prison pathway is rampant in our society.

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re definitely not raising your kids right, but how is that the fault o other people?

      • D. Truth says:

        You are correct, Anon 3:19 pm. It appears that no one gives a damn! I wonder why….. ?

    • Anonymous says:

      Expats must be out today because the truth hurts them most. It is reflected in the like : dislike ratio of your comment!

    • Guido Marsupio says:

      Expats’ parents made them study hard and with a good education they prospered. It was not given to them. Where are the Caymanian students’ parents? Do the students themselves not see the successful, educated, degreed expats eating their lunch?

      • Anonymous says:

        I’ve seen some expats get hired and imported here because they are white and don’t have an accent. Don’t fool yourself they are not all as educated and bright as they would have us believe. It’s called white privilege and sadly it’s more rampant than we want to admit

        • Anonymous says:

          Shut up. You have no idea, very few white expats coming here are actually born privileged. The vast majority are from a working class background and went to a state school.

        • Anonymous says:

          Absolutely right. I have had business interests in Cayman for over 10 years.
          There is no bloody way I would hire an expat. There are plenty of smart, motivated Caymanians.
          Seriously, my Caymanian employees are bloody excellent. They are tightly knit, respect each other and get the job done.
          I am happy for them because these are their islands.

        • Anonymous says:

          F*ck off. The biggest problem is single parent mothers getting pregnant again having 3-5 kids the Caymanian or Jamaican dad is no where to be seen. Look at the stats. Massively disadvantage compared to a two parents supporting a child. That’s the root of the problem.

        • Anonymous says:

          Its called making excuses for not studying at school, not being prepared to work your way up or do a hard days work for pay.

          • Anonymous says:

            Unfortunately that’s taught by parents but they are absent because they’re having too many babies with different partners.

        • Truth says:

          Keep telling yourselves that and be happy with it. It’s called working mans privilege or educated mans privilege in the rest of the world. It is not for you.

        • Anonymous says:

          Most expats who come to Cayman are not white. They come from Jamaica, Honduras, India, Nepal, Philippines, Africa, and elsewhere around the Caribbean. They mostly do jobs Caymanians don’t want to do, either because they feel it is beneath them or the pay is too low. Most white white expats fall into one of three categories – highly educated, highly skilled or working in some aspect of hospitality. They do jobs that Caymanians can’t, don’t want or can’t supply in sufficient numbers. It’s really not a race thing.

          • Anonymous says:

            So by your argument caribbean nationals, philippinos, hondurans, indians etc came here to do low pay jobs that require no qualifications while white ppl come with their massive qualifications to fill high paying roles?

      • Anonymous says:

        My Caymanian parents made sure we all busted our ass in school and went on to college. We have had extremely successful careers and so have many of my fellow Caymanians. Same rules apply to my kids!

        People that whine about expats “taking jobs” are typically not qualified to do shit as they haven’t made any effort to better themselves.

    • Anonymous says:

      Your ignorance explains a lot about why young Caymanian men will never do well in a society. You are too full of knowledge to learn anything more.

    • Most ex pats as you call them , are doing the donkey dirty work, that most Caymanians feel is beneath them . There are plenty successful young Caymanians in the work force who have worked hard to get where the are today . So stop blaming the expats for the delinquents who look for the easy life. The baby Mama mentality is to blame for most of this. Absent fathers, not the hard working ex pats.

    • Anonymous says:

      This is exactly why Cayman is failing. Country full of sad, lazy, jealous peasants. Look in the mirror, it’s your fault

    • Anonymous says:

      Young caymanians get every chance to succeed but they are lazy and prefer to have everything handed to them. Stop blaming expats for a culture of hand-me-down laziness that is a part of Cayman.

      • Caymanian says:

        What an unfair statement. We have young Caymanians, both parents being Caymanian, that are psychologist, Dermatologist etc before the age of 25. Every country has their share of lazy people

        • Anonymous says:

          Yes that is true, every country has their share of lazy/bad/murderous people. But when lazy out weigh the hard working ppl and the culture of hand-me-down is never blamed but facilitated and protested for….something wrong.

    • Anonymous says:

      Stop blaming others! Raise your kids right.

    • Anonymous says:

      Two issues, recurring generations of fathers walking out on families and the state safety net stepping in to make up financially for the absent father. Eventually we are going to need a more drastic solution. Men that walk out on their kids and refuse to provide for them should be sterilised so as to prevent them continuing to do the same thing over and over again. The government and society needs to break the cycle.

      • Anonymous says:

        So true I know someone who calls himself a DJ has probably five children with different women and is on his 12th DUI or something now. Doesn’t pay any child support and I’m sure those children have other half siblings.

        • Anonymous says:

          Were was he born?

          • Anonymous says:

            I know someone who is a generational caymanian and has a child with a Jamaican man and refuses to allow the man to see his child. He supports the child and every time he wants to spend time with the child he has to go to her house where she physically abuses him infront of the child. What can be done to remedy this situation? Since you know everything about every nationality tell me about this one.

      • Bsa says:

        I agree and young teenage girls should be educated about having babies with multiple men and no income to support any of them.

    • Anonymous says:

      3:12pm, the young Caymanian men that are “denied the chance to succeed in opportunities that are given away to expats” are the ones that played gangsta from in school instead of getting educated! These fools caused trouble at school instead of applying themselves. These fools chose a life of crime instead of chasing further education. These fools live and die by the gun.

      When names of local boys come out after these gang murders, those of us that knew them in school are NOT surprised!

      • Anonymous says:

        And, 2:22, those of us that taught them, even at primary school level, are not surprised either.

  22. Bertie : B says:

    Social Media / Poverty / Drugs / Punk Attitude Towards Life / Wannabe Gangstas / all need to be addressed Now .Or let them kill each other of and pray no innocent victims get killed .

  23. Anonymous says:

    See chapo still hiding since that jungle thing that started all this. Leadfire till he is found.

    • Wp says:

      You central boys really are a bunch of nuisance waste men that don’t want nothing out of life than smoke weed and promote violence! some of y’all ain’t scared of using guns and knives but y’all are scared of work!? Please get a life you waste man about more “leadfire” 😂

      • Anonymous says:

        life? its clearly gang life fool. you know nothing about – stay at work heathen.

        • Anonymous says:

          Gang life is an illusion. It’s the ultimate pyramid scheme of stupidity.

          Weak minded fools doing the bidding of someone else. It’s about as glamorous as getting shot down Martin Drive.

        • Wp says:

          I’d rather stay at work than being a worthless waste man who don’t want nothing in life! Gangstas ain’t supposed to be scared of nothing but clearly your afraid of work😂 low life bums like you will only have two outcomes in life is death or in jail! You’ll suffer in the long run not me…

      • Anonymous says:

        Your sentences are running marathons!

  24. Anonymous says:

    Now, who couldn’t predict an increase in crime with the island being closed? It was said over a year ago, but by those instantly labeled conspiracy theorists. What’s more deadly Cayman, cars, bullets or Covid?

    • Anonymous says:

      This has nothing to do with the island being closed and all to do with crap parents.

      • Anonymous says:

        The island being closed is also a factor.
        The island being closed = reduced economic activity = increased unemployment = lowered standard of living = low morale = irritability, violence, increased crime rate especially in theft.
        So yea, the island being closed plays a role, and dare I say, a more significant role than parenting.

        • Anonymous says:

          You are wrong but enjoy the delusion your mind lives rent free in.

          • Anonymous says:

            The fact that I got so many thumbs down on my previous post just solidifies the narrative that some of the ppl here are so uneducated. How can you argue with the facts of economic downturn? Jesas, unnu dunce bad.

            • Anonymous says:

              Oh, you’re. Caymanians parenting is great! A+! Especially the teenage baby mamas with MIA fathers. If it weren’t for the island being closed, everything would be great – Baby fathers would be working hard in tourism-related businesses to support their baby mamas and children. Baby mamas would be staying at home nurturing their children instead of going out trying to have another baby with some other guy (who would also be working hard in the tourism industry). You’re not delusional at all!

    • Anonymous says:

      Nothing at all to do with “the island being closed”

      • Anonymous says:

        Has to do with drug market being down because island closed.

        • Anonymous says:

          3:14pm, Nothing to do with that at all.

          You assume that the drug market has a right to exist

          The “drug market being down” because “the island is closed” are both merely symptoms

          This type of superficial analysis helps us to avoid the root causes of this plague

  25. Anonymous says:

    The Government has its preparations for border opening and the criminals have theirs.

  26. Anonymous says:

    Well you lot almost universally wanted the police to waste the last month nicking people for doing 50 on ETH. How about we let them use their manpower dealing with the real problem now?

    • Anonymous says:

      Perfect example on how people will complain no matter what the police do. I take it you’re fine with vehicular manslaughter of innocents because of insane driving, but have a problem with gang-banger types killing each other?

      • Anonymous says:

        LOL. How many logical fallacies can you squeeze into two sentences? Great work.

      • Anonymous says:

        I take it from your attempt to form some kind of counter argument that you’re fine with gang bangers killing each other in a hail of bullets in the center of town with no concern for any innocent persons within range? No? Of course not. Grow up.

        • Anonymous says:

          LOL – Yes, lots of “innocent persons” are hanging out on Martin Drive in Scranton at 11pm on a Thursday night. All good boys, right?

        • Anonymous says:

          Meh…..not center of town. Innocent persons aren’t hanging out in the street there.

          • Anonymous says:

            The clue is in the post above. It’s called a logical fallacy. The poster is laughing at 12:09 with his vehicular manslaughter strawman nonsense!

            • Anonymous says:

              Clue to what? Did you respond to the wrong post?

              • Anonymous says:

                No. 12:09 said “I take it you’re fine with vehicular manslaughter of innocents because of insane driving, but have a problem with gang-banger types killing each other?”

                This is a pathetically obvious logical fallacy (aka emotive/strawman) as pointed out by several posters.

                1:45 replied, “I take it…you’re fine with gang bangers killing each other in a hail of bullets in the center of town with no concern for any innocent persons within range? No? Of course not. Grow up.”

                Which is throwing exactly the same manner of stupid argument back at them, one assumes deliberately, for obvious effect.

                • Anonymous says:

                  Well, then wasn’t the whole thread started with the logical fallacy, at least by insinuations. that if police had been doing something other than giving speeding tickets, they could have stopped the gang-bang violence in George Town.

                  • Anonymous says:

                    How is that illogical? It’s simply a matter of prioritising finite resources. You got what you wanted. Well done.

                    • Anonymous says:

                      It’s illogical because you assume the two outcomes are mutually exclusive. They aren’t.

                    • Anonymous says:

                      1:21 Fair comment. So where did the resources to step up speed enforcement come from? If you’re going to divert resources to speed enforcement and you’re going to divert resources to dealing with gangs shooting up GT, what crime do you let slide? The simple fact is; the more officer hours you waste nicking people speeding the fewer officer hours you have to patrol for, monitor and investigate serious crime.

                    • Anonymous says:

                      2:42 – The police officers who give traffic tickets aren’t the same police officers who investigate gangs. The RCIPS is well funded and well-staffed. Funding isn’t the issue – leadership is (and not necessarily from the top, but also through middle management.} Now, if you want to criticise about the efficacy of the RCIPS, that’s a different argument and one with which that I would not disagree.

                  • Anonymous says:

                    It’s hardly a great leap to imagine if they had been patrolling these areas at night instead of giving speeding tickets all day that they might actually have an impact on this type of crime is it?

    • Anonymous says:

      The REAL problem is primarily an immigration problem, not only a police problem.

      • Anonymous says:

        It would be if the participants were solely expats. A trawl through the firearms offences convictions mu=ight make you question that assumption.

        • Anonymous says:

          Unless you haven’t noticed, expat criminals are allowed to leave through closed borders. In any event, many of the persons you suppose to be Caymanian, are not.

          • Anonymous says:

            No, because your definition of Caymanian does not match the immigration law – just because you would rather prefer to ignore 2004 status grants, the children of same, and kids from expat/Caymanian hookups doesn’t mean that they aren’t Caymanian by law.

            • Anonymous says:

              And you do not consider the fact that large numbers of foreign fathers are not supporting their progeny to be an immigration problem?

            • Anonymous says:

              Just because someone is Caymanian under the law does not mean they need to stay Caymanian. The law provides for revocation. The law enforcement authorities ignore that aspect, and many others.

      • JB says:

        Man- US says the same thing about immigration is the issue. (To date)

        Let’s check that from a historical perspective.

        Who was in North America First? The whites or the Native Americans? Im gonna go with option B. Speed forward to today…what is the US saying about immigration? “Man- we have an immigration problem!”

        STOP BLAMING IMMIGRATION! Cayman was built off of what?! Its like blame the gun and not the person.

        Before people get on their soap box and state “immigration” is the problem….realize that Cayman in the BEGINNING…was built off of slavery. Who founded Cayman (supposedly)? Columbus who was a ……???? Yes. “Slave drivah”

        Nobody was indigenous.

        You have no immigration…you have no tourism. What happen to Cayman Kind?

        Look what “covid” did. Kicked ya in the gut and kapow! Propaganda got errbody and shut down everything.

        Closed down businesses that have been opened for years….not even hurricanes shut places down…what did it? Fear and through streamline media.

        • Anonymous says:

          Christopher Columbus is nort teh founder of teh Cayman Islands. He never set foot in the Cayman Islands. He only sighted them. The islands weren’t founded by slaves either. There were a lot of runaway slaves here. I am descended from one and on the other side was from the UK and that side didn’t own slaves. Not every white person was a slave owner.

    • Anonymous says:

      How about they do both? Disrespect for the law is rampant here at all levels.

    • Anonymous says:

      There’s about 400 of them. They can do both if they try.

    • Anonymous says:

      Unfortunately they seem to do neither and everything just gets worse.

    • Anonymous says:

      So what you’re really whining about is that the police gave you a speeding ticket, which you want to blame on a) the commenters on CNS who called for a police crackdown on speeding; and b) the police, who you feel should have been cracking down on gang crimes instead of cracking down on you. Nice deflection there, dude; you must be a lawyer.

      • Anonymous says:

        Nope, I agree with the poster and I haven’t had any tickets nor am I likely to. The police, police with the consent and help of the public. If they spend their time targeting otherwise law abiding citizens for minor traffic infractions they lose that support. Watched it happen in the UK. It got so bad the police had to farm out traffic enforcement to “safety partnerships” to disassociate themselves from it but it was too late.

    • Anonymous says:

      Stop doing 50 on the eth and giving them easy work mofo. Then, maybe THEN they will work on the real crime. You are part of the problem…

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