PPM-Alliance polled under 29% of popular vote
(CNS): According to Elections Office statistics, as well as returning 12 independent candidates, electors voted overwhelmingly for independent candidates who did not run with the PPM-Alliance last Wednesday. The national turnout on Election Day was 17,404. Sixteen of them were spoilt ballots, 4,980 were for the twelve candidates that ran on the Alliance ticket, both winners and losers, while over 71% of votes, or 12,408 voters, were for Independents. Even removing Issac Rankine’s 348 votes and McKeeva Bush’s 458, the tally for Independents not tethered to the PPM was overwhelming, with more than two thirds of the country voting for them.
This adds further fuel to the position of Premier Designate Wayne Panton (NEW) that the country voted for and wants an Independent-led government.
Calculating the votes of only winning candidates, the nine MPs elect currently aligned with PACT carry a vote tally of 5,582, which is 1,245 more than the seven elected PPM MPs plus the two Independents in that camp, who have a combined total of 4,337.
While Cayman runs a first past the post system, now based on single-member constituencies, the fact that the country has only one political party is an issue. Roy McTaggart (GTE), who now leads the Progressives, has taken the position that because all of the former Cabinet members in the previous PPM-led government who contested the election have been returned, this means that the country voted for the status quo. But with less than 29% of the electorate supporting the Progressives plus its Alliance candidates, it is a difficult position to sustain.
By Sunday evening, despite false information being circulated by the PPM once again that they were confident of picking off some PACT members, both sides held fast with nine members. But it was becoming evident that McKeeva Bush (WBW) was more likely to align with PACT, given that he did not run on the Alliance ticket, since outgoing premier Alden McLaughlin had deliberately distanced himself from the veteran politician because of the assault conviction scandal. Furthermore, McTaggart had taunted Panton in a statement Sunday morning about the irony of aligning with Bush, despite his own precarious position regarding the entire Bush affair.
But while Bush was elected in 2017 with the most votes by number and the second highest majority of any member, last week he came within 27 votes of losing his seat. He now has the lowest majority in Parliament with the least number of votes between himself and his opponent, Mario Ebanks. As a result, the popular sentiment on social media is emerging that Bush should offer his support to Panton and help shore up the team of Independent candidates and a government that reflects the popular vote.
Other statistics also tend to skew towards the PACT. The two candidates who got the most votes by number are in the PACT camp. Chris Saunders (BTW) secured 902 votes to win his seat and Kenneth Bryan (GTC) 851 to secure his. Wayne Panton also received ten more votes than his rival for premier, Roy McTaggart.
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Dear Wayne and Roy,
The country voted for a majority in number of the Independent candidates and those candidates also overwhelmingly secured the popular vote. However, all sitting Ministers were re-elected. What the Country needs is now to come together and form a Govt that both recognizes the results, and contains the most capable persons to lead it through this challenging time. This means that you must put egos aside and come together in the best interests of the country. Given the results, the Govt should be led by Wayne as an Independent Premier, Roy as Deputy Premier and contain a broadly equal number of representatives from both sides representing those who are most capable. What we are seeing does not suit the Country and is not in our best interests.
Roy is not Premier/Deputy quality.Good accountant,yes.
PPM is a misnomer, with PACT representing the overwhelming majority of voters wishes the real progressive way forward is with PACT. If we had politicians within the ranks of the PPM that respected the responsible progression of Cayman’s development it Southaven been called People’s Power Movement and not what it turned out to be Politicians Power Manipulation.
Long live PACT and long live the people who support responsible change in the hands of the people!
PACT doesn’t represent anything besides a bunch of individuals with no platform.
Not one single person voted for PACT.
In the rest of the world the largest party typically becomes the government. Of course if they only have a minority of seats they will find this hard and will need cross party support in the form of a coalition with other partys and independents. Our independents are not a party and didn’t run as one so I don’t see on what basis they should form a government. IMO we desperately need a coalition of the competent taking the best from ppm and independents… if the next government drops the ball on financial services, covid, or tourism you can forget about any other concerns we may have!
So people voted for independents but don’t want them to form a government? They want them to sit as independents? Who would run the country?
ROY MCTAGGART – A MAN OF EXPERIENCE, GOD-SENT, AND WELL EDUCATED.
Many folk are quick to jump with the Independents as leaders, and ignore the leadership ability of a man that has a huge resume. Folks may not know, never judge a book by its cover. I believe Roy McTaggart started from a humble beginning. He was born in the land of Jamaica, and attended middle school there for 5 years from 1968 to 1973. His parents took residence in Cayman, off Crewe Road, George Town. After his middle school days, in Cayman, Roy finished his high school education in 1979.
His father was the well-known businessman, William “UNCLE BILL” McTaggart. His great grand uncle, Dr. Roy McTaggart, a Caymanian figure in our historical books, was honoured the National Heroes Award in 2016. Graduating with a Bachelor’s in Accounting at the University of Central Florida in 1982, Roy became employed at KPMG, and served with them for 27 years.
Chamber of Commerce summarized his professional background, as follows –
“Mr McTaggart joined KPMG in the Cayman Islands in 1985, transferred to their Orlando office in 1986, and returned to the Cayman Islands in 1988. He was admitted to the partnership in 1991, became joint Managing Partner in 2003 and appointed Managing Partner in 2007. He was Managing Director of KMPG in the British Virgin Islands from 2007-2012.
“Hon. Minister Roy McTaggart is a former chairman of the Board of Cayman Airways, a member of the Commission for Standards in Public Life and is chairman of the Young Caymanian Leadership Foundation. He was also a member of the Board of the Cayman Islands Stock Exchange.”
Roy McTaggart retired in 2012, and then turned his attention to politics. It was always pressed on him to run before, but this time he did – And in 2013 he received the second-highest number of votes in the George Town electoral district – second only to Kurt Tibbets. This was Roy’s first time he ran in politics. He joined the PPM party. And from 2013 to 2017, he served as Councillor to the Ministry of Health and served as interim Minister.
In 2017, he was elected again after Marco Archer, his political colleague, was defeated by Kenneth Bryan. Roy served under the most important portfolio in government since that time – as the Ministry of Finance and Economic Development. His works has kept us afloat during the Covid pandemic, but not much talk about it.
At 63 years old, now Roy has a third term with the PPM Party, and he is now the Leader of the Party. My dear readers, please consider, how can anyone in their right minds say Roy McTaggart is not fit to lead the country??? Do you seriously think Wayne Panton has the leadership experience and ability like Roy McTaggart ??? Seriously… if you want independents representing you without a proper Manifesto to run your country, be my guest!
God sent, give us a break. God ain’t gonna get us out of this mess caused by greed either.
So if I am retired then shoukd run in next election, hopefully get voted in and enjoy a huge salary and draw pension for doing nothing for four years. Mmm…..
Leadership is more than education,it’s a thing thats born in you
Get rid of OMOV
I can only speak for myself when I say I personally voted for Mr. Suckoo because he was the only person who I have seen around my community way before Elections. It did not matter to me if he was an “Independent” or “PPM affiliated” as at the end of the day if he was successfully re-elected he would choose his path. If Mr. Suckoo was not on the list of candidates to choose from I would not have voted at all…just my 2 cents how some of us actually voted.
I lived in his district for the last 8 years and I didn’t see him once in the community.
I believe that.a Coalition Gov. is best at this time or a new election be declared. Too many things that the Public were not aware of in terms of the PACT now trying to form a Gov. The Sister Islands need to have MPs in Cabinet.
The MPs in the Brac should have a rep in the cabinet… and if they really cared so deeply about their constituents, then they should be willing to join the PACT government to have their voices heard. So do tell, why aren’t they jumping in to join PACT? Hidden interests perhaps?
About as useful as saying MPs in WB should want representation so one or more should join the Progressives Alliance…
What a shite show!
While a storm PPM supporter I must say the people have spoken. You have to put your ego aside and country first. Its obvious the people did not want us returned. Man up, lets admit, cooperate, rebuild and move Cayman and its people ON.
Storm supporter – got it
A real trooper
Troll much?
So you’re a storm supporter, well we have a real $hit storm now. Are you happy now then?
The vast majority of people running as independent were rejected by the people. You forgot to mention that.
How did you figure that? Did you see the above chart? Thank God the people were not as blind as you.
28 independents failed to win their seat.
Were there 28 seats to be won? News to me.
So what?
Can you read?
some sort of hybrid government is the right move. Roy needs to check his ego, accept he isn’t going to be premier. Have him as deputy to Wayne, kick out john john, julia ‘speak in tongues’ minister for not educating the kids and a couple others that haven’t met the grade, replace them with independents and move on. Leave Makeeva in the wasteland where he belongs, and then pass a law that says if you go around beating up defenceless women, spend the g’ment’s money in a Casino, you go to jail, not re-elected to a cushy +$200k a year job.
Why? Do you realise in truth PPMs 29% is the largest of all. Independents all counted as 1 each. That’s why they are “independent”
The independents are working together so you have to tally them all together and PPM not even close to that number.
Anonymous at 9:44 am: After reading your post, I whole-heartedly believe you are the Premier we need! Think about it!!!!!
It is not Roy’s ego but Alden as he has Roy just as his front man but Alden will control everything. Alden and his little gang of tweety birds need to go!
So what about 29%? In a seat by seat based system that is an irrelevance. It is as banal as people moaning about Hilary getting the most votes in 2016.
The people has the power not the gov. The people has spoken, we do not want the PPM. How many ways do we have to say it? WE DO NOT WANT THE PPM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get over it and move on.
Pact should try to get David Wight to come with them.
David won’t get a ministry position with the PPM, because the Ministers will be returning to the ministries they had before the election.
Unfortunately David is a party loyalist and will not budge, even if it would be in the country’s interest.
That is completely wishful thinking! There is no way he does anything that Alden doesn’t tell him to do! Zero!
Best bet now appears a coalition govt. w/ Wayne as Premier.
David Wight can’t even tie his shoelaces without asking Barbara or Alden if it’s the right thing to do.
This is not about those numbers CNS this about what the ppm did to get elected ?We all know exactly what has been going on this election road out here and Infact what many so called upstanding candidates in the ppm were doing and Infact did the last time where or so called premier designate did not have a single meeting in areas like Randyke Gardens and Silver Oaks Yet he won handily by a significant margin.We all know bout the ppm election machine dealings and even during the pandemic where a Jon Jon proxie was doing what the representative for George Town should have been doing for his constituents. So sad so many are willing to sell their democratic rights for pocket change$$.. Caymanians please stand up against this Now or our children are going to pay the price later!
Not many voters in Randyke Gardens – landlord voters maybe, but less so the inhabitants.
Plus how many more areas can we divide GT into? No meeting in my neighborhood either but there was one 5 minutes away. Come on people.
You think they might have been busy trying to hold the country together during the pandemic? If you had a problem and couldn’t get help from anyone say that but don’t criticize a busy person with a very important task at hand that affects the entire country for not knocking on your door to see if you needed anything.
SIMPLE SOLUTION – To truly respect the voter’s wishes, LET’S GET RID OF THE 19 DIVIDED TERRITORIES, and return back to our original territorial number, 6 electoral districts: simply G.T., W.B., B.T., N.S., E.E., and the Brac. Remove the foolish OMOV or One Man One Vote. Back then, people had more than one vote and more political candidates to choose from BASED ON THE POPULATION IN THEIR DISTRICT. But … short sighted folk especially from the Eastern districts began to complain about it wasn’t fair enough and everyone should just have one vote and be like the United States … Well, surprise! You see now what has happen?
The majority of decent folk want more Independents in the House, but this is not possible, because not even Jamaica is divided up like us, and its a larger country! :/
Nothing about your elections is like the US.
This narrative about post election results with PACT and Progressives Alliance is revisionist history at best. To be clear, while there were loose discussions amongst a core of what has become PACT (look at the language used by CNS amongst others about an emerging potential for leadership with Wayne and Chris) as we progressed toward the polls, there was not PACT at the time people cast their votes. So to suggest that now it has shown the clear will of the voters is utter nonsense, given the voters would not have had the ability to make that decision.
The reality at the time of voting was this:
WBN: Rollie (party of Mac) v Bernie (Ind) – outcome, repudiation of party of Mac and status quo of Bernie
WBW: Mac (party of Mac) v Mario (anti-Mac) – outcome, Mac, barely
WBC: Eugene (party of Mac) v Katherine (Ind) – outcome, repudiation of party of Mac
WBS: Andre (Ind) v Raul (Ind) – outcome, Andre, no commitment to any group as provided to voters to aid in their decision
GTN: Joey (Progressives) v Johann (Affiliated with Chris) – outcome, Joey for Progressives
GTW: David (Progressives) v Pearlina (Ind, previous party of Mac) v Others (all Ind) – outcome, David for Progressives
GTC: Kenneth (Ind, affiliated with Chris), Frank (Progressives) – outcome, Kenneth and rejection of throw-away Progressives candidate
GTS: Barbara (Progressives) v Alric (Ind, affiliated with Wayne & Chris) – outcome, Barbara for Progressives
GTE: Roy (Progressives) v Emily (Ind, likely affiliated with Wayne), v Others (Ind) – outcome, Roy for Progressives
Red Bay: Alden (Progressives) v Sammy (Ind) – outcome, Alden for Progressives
Prospect: Austin (Ind, affiliated with Alliance) v Michael (Ind) v Sabrina (Ind) – outcome, Sabrina in plurality
Savannah: Heather (Ind, affiliated with Wayne, endorsed by Progressives as good person) v Malcolm (Ind) v Jeanna (Ind) – outcome, Heather for Wayne’s group
Newlands: Wayne (Ind, party of Wayne), Alva (Ind, affiliated with Alliance, previously UDP, previously PPM, definitely a fair-weather politician), Raul & Roydell (Ind) – outcome, Wayne
BTW: Chris (Ind, affiliated with Kenneth, Alric, Johann, belatedly Wayne?) v Vincent (Ind, affiliated with Alliance) – outcome, Chris
BTE: Dwayne (Ind, affiliated with Alliance) v Ossie (Ind, affiliated with Wayne) – outcome, Dwayne for Alliance
NS: Ezzard (Ind, known opposition to previous govt) v Jay (Ind) v Debbie (Ind) v Justin (Ind) – outcome, Jay, with repudiation of Ezzard and change of status quo from being in Opposition
EE: Arden (Ind, known opposition to previous govt) v Isaac (Ind, noted to say he would work with previous govt, or others) v McCleary (Ind) – outcome, Isaac, with repudiation of Arden and change of status quo from being in Opposition
CBW & LC: Moses (Progressive) v Maxine (Ind) – outcome, Moses for Progressives
CBE: Juliana (Progressives) v Elvis (Weed) – outcome, Juliana
From that perspective, which is what was known to people at the time they cast their ballots (not defined by the events that took place afterward), you have the full return of Progressives ministers and parliamentary secretaries, plus Alliance member and minister Dwayne. Progressive affiliated candidates lost to Wayne, Chris, and Kenneth.
Wayne ran with Ossie and Heather. Ossie lost to a Progressive Candidate. Heather did not run against a Progressive candidate and appears to generally be supported by Progressives due to her history with the party and good general character. 50-50 outcome where opposed
Chris ran with Kenneth, Alric and Johann, though near to the actual vote rumors emerged of a potential affiliation with Wayne’s group. Johann and Alric lost to Progressive candidates, Kenneth won against a Progressive candidate (handily), and Chris won against an Independent affiliated with the Alliance. 50-50 outcome
West Bay was effectively unaffiliated Independents looking to break the reign of Mac. Progressives, Wayne’s team, and Chris’s team not technically involved. Clear diminishment of Mac’s base and near-rejection of him altogether (so close!)
EE and NS were a rejection of being in the Opposition. Isaac had more support from Progressives, and voters would have been aware that it would be likely he would join with them (as opposed to Arden). In NS, there was a less clear support with Jay from any particular group. This is probably best viewed that EE would be happy with a Progressives govt, provided Isaac plays a role and represents them, and NS wants to be represented in government, not in opposition to it.
This is what people voted on leading up to and at the time they voted. Using the lens of what happened after to try to describe voter intentions is nothing less than nonsense, as it aggregating voter numbers through the same lens.
Also, to the point that Wayne had more votes than Roy – Roy returned a greater percentage of his voters than Wayne. Considering there is not a national vote, the idea of comparing the numbers directly is silly since the districts have different voting populations.
This comment isn’t to push a particular position for who ends up governing, by the way. It is in response to this article, which is perpetuating recent “analysis” of election results using information that was not available to voters at the time they cast their ballot to support a particular political position and narrative. Frankly, the election results showed us that there are multiple things that voters want, both at their district level and nationally. Neither government proposed arguably meets what voters wanted, and somebody is going to have to swallow some bitter pills at some point (in both cases likely through accepting lesser candidates being placed in high positions of power in order to “win”). It does remain to be seen if either group at this point will cede the moral high ground and treat with Mac (well, Wayne already has, but he’s at least not yet thrown away all of his integrity by making any official offer to work with him). Frankly, this may end up leading to another national election, due to a 9-1-9 split and inability to form a majority or minority government. It might even be arguably better to have a new election – one in which actual alliances will be present and voters will have a more clear choice of what they are actually voting for.
Very good. Thank you 👍👍
Elvis’ party affiliation is the best part of this comment.
Haha almost missed that
THANK YOU!!!
All this after the fact and clouding the ACTUAL numbers to suit their narrative is dumb founding.
Thanks for an accurate view of what actually happened now what they would make you think happened.
I voted for an independent who said she would work with the PPM. Foolish me. Will never vote for an independent again. The last two elections should teach us that candidates need to declare their parties or teams before elections so that we know what we are voting for. This is not about winning or losing but holding our representatives more accountable. Those that voted independent finding themselves in the same situation otherwise would not be protesting independents decisions to join PPM so passionately.
Flawed verbal diarrhoea. While you can argue that the public didn’t vote for PACT members, it is clear that the population did NOT vote for PPM Alliance members to give them a majority either. There has to be a compromise to give effect to the wish of the people of the Cayman Islands.
I am not arguing that the “people” voted for a Progressives Alliance majority. WB was always up in the air, and Isaac was one of the only ones to be more directly affiliated with the Progressives in pre-election communications. Note that effective has worked out to where everything stands now. The whole point is that using a revisionist narrative on the basis of PACT post-election does not actually reflect what voters knew when they voted. So this general article, and all the numbers being bandied about on social media, are not representative of what people actually voted for. It may well be that PACT forms the government still, but it is by no means a clear mandate for them based on voting. Equally, the Progressives Alliance does not have a clear mandate at this point, though they clearly did have a return of their entire cabinet, less Tara who did not run again. Frankly, a coalition would likely be the most reflective outcome, but a government without a competent opposition isn’t a great idea either.
Personally, now that people are aware that PACT is a party (let’s not pretend otherwise given there was a lot more coalition building that the public was unaware of and candidates did not openly acknowledge pre-election), I think a new election would actually be the best outcome. Not everyone voting for Katherine might want Kenneth in their government, for example. Equally, not everyone voting for Isaac wanted a Progressive-led government either. Clearly most didn’t want any of their candidates to work with McKeeva, though some are now coming around to it because they’re twisting into pretzels to make it all make sense to do so. Given the way the chips seem to have fallen, let candidates now openly speak with their constituents about who they would prefer to caucus with and have them recast their ballots on that basis.
Claptrap.
Thank you! People can play these numbers however they want and some people can be easily led to believe anything. Let’s keep it to the statistically relevant, shall we?
MOST of them will do what’s good for themselves!! Right now Sabrina Turner (for one) is doing just that….
Did you see the fear in her eyes when she spoke? She is in self-preservation mode right now.
Who can freaking blame her? Some people turned into vicious animals!
Well when you lie…
My support will go to the first of the two to publicly acknowledge that it is the system which as failed and commit to resolving it this term.
CNS, what a misleading title.
Utter nonsense. The independents are basically 1 man/1 woman parties. That is all they are, with their own selfish needs like any politician.
Direct rule sounds a lot better than any politician or party has to offer to the country.
So basically another 3 years of the same old crap. Will the Caymanian economy survive? Will Cayman ever be great again? Only time will tell.
What was that saying – oh yes
lies, damn lies, and statistics
Ummm – in the new version of statistics you seem to have overlooked that in the majority of districts independents ran against each other as there were no PPM candidates.
You might as well say that as the overwhelming number of electors voted for right handed candidates only right handed candidates should form the government
Playing with numbers. People voted by constituency. If the story’s theme was correct then Panton would have no trouble forming a government.
Hearing Mr Mctaggart’s math interpretation on the election numbers really makes me concerned about how hes run our finances for the past 4 years.
6:44 Say it louder for the people in the back! My thoughts exactly…
So shouldn’t you include Jon Jon as an independent party with an alliance to PPM? This is part of the problem…why are candidates being allowed to say they are “independent” when it is clear from their campaigns that they have political alliances….
And this leads to muddying the numbers. His numbers are being giving to WP team when he is not “technically” an independent if you are to use the numbers.
Seems to me this is misleading. The PPM did not run a candidate in every district. In the districts they had representation they only ran one candidate. I believe the stats presented in the graphic have multiple districts of multiple independent candidates.
So could you adjust these numbers for just the districts the PPM ran versus only one independent candidate or even just the PPM districts and multiple independent candidates?
I’m honestly not choosing sides, just thought the graphic was not a completely fair analysis of the data.
Hope we can sort this out nonetheless.
One is forced to consider why PPM could not scrape together enough candidates to run in each constituency. West Bay does not want PPM – that has been proven in past elections.
Wasn’t McTaggart C4C before PPM? If he changes his alliances again he will tie the member from CBE (ie being affiliated with the most political majorities).
Lets go with this story now, the leader of PPM joins PACT – have a good day Cayman.
Except much like PACT, C4C claimed not to be a “party”.
Parties by any other name smell just as stink.
Name one district other than GTC where Progressives lost their race versus the independents that couldn’t win in any district where Progressives ran!
Prospect
Bodden Town West
Newlands.
This illustration is misleading. Independent candidates are not a single cohesive group. They are individual (single, solitary) persons who run in their district and are not supposed to be affiliated with anyone else.
So grouping them together is further manipulating an already confused public.
If the island had voted for independent candidates in EVERY district, the independent candidates would still split off in to groups who want to be in charge and the negotiation, deal making, position offering going on to try and form a government would still happen.
However, the independents didn’t seem to act as independents from the start. They seem to have been conspiring and forming a pact for the past year. So… I guess they are a party?
I agree with you 100%.
Each Independent equates to a separate party, as they are not one massive grouping.
What needs to be looked at is the winners vote out of the total combined winners votes only. Then you get a much better data.
If PPM had the same number of Independents running in the election, then and only then could this visual become valid!!!!
The Progressives need to concede. They have clearly not won the 2021 Election.
It is time to allow a new government to be formed and they should offer their support to Premier Designate, Mr. Wayne Panton and the government in waiting.
Aaah no. Ind should concede since they only have 8 and ppm has 9.
Did you pass math in primary school?
2021 Official Election Results
12 Independents
7 PPM
12 is greater than 7.
PPM is in the minority in 2021. They have NO MAJORITY to strongarm the results.
Democracy not dictatorship.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.
By grouping 12 independents you deny them their agency as independents by definition. It’s a farcical argument to claim they must coalesce into a coherent group by default.
Why in the flying @#£& the “Independents” can’t form a Government of 10, then ?
Following your flawed logic that should be very easy if they have 12!
I have loved reading CNS for years, and will continue to for many more, but there is more spin in this article than a washing machine!
It will all be resolved this week, and whoever is elected our Dear Leader, will govern knowing at any time someone could cross the floor.
Predicting what Mac will do? Who knows! Every large developer on the island is likely trying to get in his ear 👂. I am obviously pro continue on with the current administration, and am guessing the developers want to stick with the ‘known unknowns’.
Signed, The Accountant.
This is exactly why the PPM don’t have a mandate to govern. Additionally, I, like many other people, have lost all respect for Mr. McTaggart based on his own response to Mr. Bush’s conduct. It shows Mr. McTaggart’s true nature when he now taunts other people when he himself refused to take action when it would have mattered the most.
I don’t agree with your analysis, Wendy. People voted for the person they liked the most in their constituency, not for PPM and for independents. Eight Progessives were elected. That constitutes 42% of all the candidates. Therefore, the new government should be comprised of 42 % of the Progressives, so 4-5 of them should be part of the new government.
Instead of politicians choosing their own alliances, perhaps it would be more equitable if we dumped parties and put the shoe on the other foot whereby the people choose. A parliament comprised of the winners from each respective district. Each district represented in parliament and getting the person they voted in. Instead of all these muddy waters and horse trading the 19 elected reps ought to be given no option but to work together in the public interest. Those who didn’t win form an opposition of independents, so we have mixed interests on both sides instead of all this political stancing. Whoever gets in, they need to look at fixing this broken system somehow. This shit needs to stop now.
PPM will twist these statistics to show they won also.
Why didn’t they run candidates in all districts? They can’t say that they won any other districts other than BTW and EE because as of now those are the only two constituencies that they have in there camp.
They are so desperate for power at any cost that they will find a way even if it means up their normal payments to get someone to cross that isle with them.
Roy claims the PPM had a resounding victory at the polls because they won 5 seats in George Town and two in Cayman Brac. They two in Cayman Brac were automatic because they had no strong opposition. They ones in Cayman were hotly contested and the split between even the Premier and his challenger has to make him worried for the next election.
9:50pm
Do you think he will ask less of the PPM Party? Think not!
PPM members have too proven that they’re position hungry, self-serving and greedy.
I woud prefer the other group and if they fail to do what we, the people, expect of them during the next 4 years, oust they go.
Then and only then would you have the emperical evidence to point your fingers at anyone outside of your PPM Party and say to us the electorate “I told you so.”
Just some food for thought.
All progressives were returned.
Minister Seymour was retuned (Alliance)
Minister Tara Rivers endorsed candidate elected (she was independent but in government/alliance)
Arden McLean – independent opposition was removed
Ezzard Miller – independent opposition was removed.
Interested to know who thinks Progressives are not being given a clear sign to return? A few people who protest are not the voice and “independents” is not a party!
I voted for Alric but I still think it’s relevant to know how many of the 12,408 had an option other than Independent. What a mess.
I am staggered by the reporting we have seen in recent days – let’s break it down we now have 13 ‘political parties’ elected who will need to work together to form a coalition government
Progressives the largest party by far with 7
CDP with one member (recently convicted for assault)
11 other parties of 1 member each all who claim to be independent
It is incumbent on The largest party to attempt to form a coalition government in the first instance (which would need to be a minimum of a 4 party coalition )
Better than a 10 party coalition i would suggest – good luck getting 10 parties to ever agree unanimously on much !
This is how westminister style governments work – if the independents want to form a party and have a majority good luck to them otherwise let’s get real
Roy, quit the taunting folly and step back, don’t force yourself on the electorate to become the premier no one wanted, – where’s the pride in that ?
Well said!
The stupid thing is that’ what’s currently debilitating the PPM is that all of this is Alden’s creation. If he had had the conjones in the first instance to deal with Speaker McBeater (before or at the very least following his conviction) Roy would likely already be wearing the crown he expected, – Not today Roy-Roy, your master failed you just as you failed back then with your stance of silent alignment. ‘Right’ very much mattered then, and you know what’s coming home to roost just now, – yep, ‘right matters’
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And how did PACT deal with McKeeva? Did they meet with him and he promised not to do it again?
Exactly!!!! If they had done what they SHOULD have done regarding Mac this would have been a nonissue. Bumping up the elections by more than a month also contributed to this nonsense.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again…
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What I find interesting is that they refer to the independents as a single cohesive unit not, unlike, oh, I don’t know … a party?
Look, in order for a set of people to become the government, they have to work together. It’s a weak argument that supports the PPM. It beyond time for them to go and let another group have a shot at fixing all the things PPPM promised over eight/twelve years ago and still haven’t delivered.
It’s equally a weak argument to imply that people voted for PACT when no such entity existed at the time they voted.
Precisely.
You cannot, as a matter of fact, vote in a singular group of “independents”.
Fundamentally, they are separate and so it cannot be said that the country voted for an “independent government”.
What about the 8 constituencies who voted for the Alliance?
This is not a National vote and so you cannot claim what the overall popular vote is.
The majority of independents have been discussing national challenges, and potential ways forward that benefit us all, for a year, Rankine and Turner being relative newcomers to that dynamic. Still, they were proactive in networking amongst themselves, so as to not repeat the 2017 debacle. Naming a team does not make it a party, especially a party that mostly decides in favor of the rich and comfortable.
it was not a national vote. 71% voted independent in their own constituency. that does not mean 71% of the electorate want an mis-mash government of 10 independents with no common policies, no manifesto…and no prior experience.
you can always tell the PPM shills.
For using logic and reason?
10:48pm – Reality check!! PPM or not, common sense and the proverbial ‘love for country’/’good for ALL the people’ should prevail. 10:02pm is absolutely correct!!
71% is 71% no matter which way you interpret it.
PPM was unable to field any new candidates that were successful.
1. Frank Cornwall got crushed by Kenneth Bryan.
2. Alva Suckoo who announced that he was going to align with PPM, he lost.
3. Austin Harris, aligned with PPM, he lost.
4. Tara Rivers abandoned seat did not go to PPM.
5.Can you really count CBE? Their representative has been elected as UDP,PNA and PPM – showing us that district is not aligned with a party but with a candidate. Would not surprise me to see her join PACT.
Twist the statistics however you want the numbers do not lie and PPM failed, repeat failed, to entice the voting public to expand their numbers.
Don’t tell em, they probably won’t get it. I voted for an independent in my constituency because there were only two independents on the ballot and I did not want to miss my opportunity to participate in the elections.
That doesn’t mean I wanted an independent Government, it just meant I had the choice between a black dog and a monkey so I chose the dog.
There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. You could also look at it from the angle of the percentage of independents that made up the total field, vs. the percentage of independents people actually voted for, that analysis would have been a better statistic.
I had nothing but numpty’s to choose from either. But I woted jus to NOT wote for PPM.
So what did you think you were voting for if not an independently-run government?
Mac will do what is good for Mac. Not for the country. He may offer to align woth PACT but it will only be if he can attain an important position with power and scope for gain.
Just doing what all other politicians do.
He should be avoided at ALL COSTS!
The same as Alden did 4 years ago. Alden disrespected the people of these Islands to maintain power, nothing to do with his love of country and that was quite acceptable. There is very little difference between Alden and McKeeva.