McTaggart still disputes Panton’s government

| 19/04/2021 | 149 Comments
Roy McTaggart

(CNS): Roy McTaggart, the leader of the Progressives, is refusing to concede, saying that Wayne Panton, the leader of PACT, does not have a majority and by putting McKeeva Bush in the speaker’s chair, he has created a hung parliament. Following Panton’s announcement earlier that he had secured an agreement with ten non-Alliance Independents, including Bush, McTaggart argued that with nine members in government and nine members in opposition PACT would not be able to pass legislation. He described Panton’s announcement as “merely a ruse” because a speaker can only break a tie in favour of the status quo.

Although the country has voted for an Independent-led government, McTaggart has still not offered to support Panton’s potential administration. Making it clear that the Progressives intend to obstruct Panton’s efforts, the PPM-Alliance leader said the PACT would not only be incapable of passing legislation, they cannot even elect a Premier.

“Parliamentary convention throughout the Westminster system of government in the Commonwealth requires that the casting vote given to the Speaker to break a tie be exercised only to preserve the status quo, not to pass legislation or to elect a new Premier. Mr Panton does not therefore have a viable government at this stage,” McTaggart said.

“This is merely a ruse and whilst Mr Panton may be able to fool some of the country with this tactic, he will not be able to fool the majority. The Progressives and our Alliance partners remain committed to working with elected members to form a Government that can manage the affairs of state and one that can stay together through the difficult time ahead,” he added.

The statement makes it clear that the PPM is not giving up despite what appears to be overwhelming public support for Panton to lead a government made up of Independents. But at this point McTaggart’s position is also untenable. Until either a PACT member reconsiders the PPM-Alliance or a PPM-Alliance member crosses the floor, Cayman could be heading to the polls again in the not too distant future.


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  1. Anonymous says:

    Can’t you guys get it….the people is sick and tired of the PPM.

  2. Anonymous says:

    The state of our islands is a complete mess, we voted for change and we got it. We don’t know what was negotiated between Panton and McTaggart but I would prefer to see a balanced experienced government with a maximum of 4 PPM forming it along with the independents for what is best for these islands putting aside egos and greed.

    Are all the various independents members going to come together and create one manifesto outlining how they plan to move the country forward or do they all have their individual ideas, can that work or will it be a one man show? With any organization/government a common goal is needed.

    Fellow Caymanians if you have not read our constitution I ask of you to please do, so that you have a understanding of it for yourself and not just listening to what you hear.

    Either way it’s still the same Caymanians that are in control, know your history!

  3. Anonymous says:

    Who is elected first, the Premier or Speaker?

    If it is the Premier then Mac can vote for Wayne as an MP.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Did Mr. Wayne Panton’s manifesto really suggest that land ownership should require development within a certain timeframe “or the land is returned to the market”?

    If that is the case that will result in the total destruction of what is left of the environment in the Cayman Islands. I think a lot of people are hoping that Mr. Panton will be good for the environment because he helped steer the National Conservation Law through – If he really believes in ‘returning raw undeveloped land back onto the market’ – there will be bulldozers clearing every last piece of land – it could be horrific…too awful to even contemplate…

  5. Anonymous says:

    I voted Andre in WBS. If I had any idea he would have sided with a wife beater he would never have received my vote

    I will not forget Andre. In 4 years time you have lost 4 votes from my family

    I am hoping there will be a hung parliament and I can vote again ..for a candidate who doesn’t reply on a Convicted criminal to get into office

    • Anonymous says:

      Andre, you’ve completely lost my vote too! You are a women abuser supporter and you are supporting a criminal. Why don’t you just put on your big boy pants and stand up against Mac the looser. Just stand against it, its as easy as that. History will not be on your side.

  6. Anonymous says:

    the best option is for Wayne and Roy to put on their big boy pants and get together face to face in a room – and don’t leave until they’ve worked out a Cabinet with a mix of the best of PPM and PACT.

    That’s the best for the voters and the best for the country. Just get it done. and soon.

  7. Bertie : B says:

    Power is achieved by the number one Bullshit Artist in any country . Back stabbing is the way of life in all political battles . Absolute power ? there happens to be an old saying about that. This is an absolute Cluster u know what .

  8. Anonymous says:

    It’s grating how authoritarian lecturing experts of Westminster parliamentary governance, always glaze over the key construct: that the executive branch must be held accountable to the other Legislative members and people. There’s no mention of private caucus Bill ascents, debate censure, or obfuscated back bench reporting. There’s another word for that and it’s not Westminster. Ironically, it’s the people of the Cayman Islands, that are right now grappling for something that better restores the baseline tenets of the Westminster system. We haven’t seen them in a long time.

  9. Anonymous says:

    I’d be so down for a snap election. Imagine if some of the half dozen marginally-defeated PACT members/sensible canadidates ran against McKeeva and Mario on the PACT banner in WBW. Two birds, one stone. Go PACT.

  10. Anon says:

    HUNG PARLIAMENT = A SNAP ELECTION. I wonder why Panton made Bush Speaker? What’s the REAL reason?

  11. Anonymous says:

    Why isn’t anyone talking about the great statesmen that Wayne has selected for his Cabinet. Enough Alden bashing already. You can’t fix yesterday.

  12. Anonymous says:

    Please keep in mind that it was the PPM/Unity government that called for early election in order to side step dealing with the Mac issue. I will never excuse them, or all that remained silent, for that. They were afraid of losing control prior to election, that is why they made the decision they did. They have no right to now use siding with Mac as a negative. It is the old “do as I say. not as I do.”

  13. BE says:

    The state of our islands is a complete mess, we voted for change and we got it. We don’t know what was negotiated between Panton and McTaggart but I would prefer to see a balanced experienced government with a maximum of 4 PPM forming it along with the independents for what is best for these islands putting aside egos,greed and personal agendas.

    Are all the various independents members going to come together and create one manifesto outlining how they plan to move the country forward or do they all have their individual ideas, can that work or will it be a one man show? With any organization/government a common goal is needed.

    Fellow Caymanians if you have not read our constitution I ask of you to please do, so that you have a understanding of it for yourself and not just listening to what you hear.

    Either way it’s still the same Caymanians that are in control, know your history!

  14. Anonymous says:

    “…or to elect a new Premier” – what is McTaggart’s source for this rule? I’d love the technocrats to cite the source for this. If not, then the statement is not wholly correct either. Anyone?

  15. Anonymous says:

    Roy doesn’t seem to possess a great deal of emotional intelligence

  16. Anonymous says:

    Roy Bush played you and your puppet master Alden. If you had the balls to get rid of him when you had the chance he would be back in West Bay now gambling on the internet and out of government. You got played by a 5th grader. Checkmate!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      👍😂

    • Hubert says:

      There are times when a guy with political street smarts wins out over a numbers guy who spent his whole life crunching numbers and only entered politics very late in life.

      The 5th grader also defeated a very impressive, educated Caymanian by 27 votes.

      You cannot knock political success.

      McKeeva is a political survivor and winner even with his sorry past.

  17. Anonymous says:

    Mac a convicted criminal as our Speaker!!! Come on Wayne! Shame on you! How is this in the best interest of our country?? and what does it say to our young men as to what behavior is acceptable? What does is say to our young women as to what they should be willing to accept?? Where are your principles? You are all parents? Where is your responsibility to set an example to our children??

    • Anonymous says:

      Why are you depending (in this case) on a lifetime Politician to set an example for your children? They are known to lie, cheat, backstab, beat women, beat men etc. DO NOT LOOK TO ANY POLITICAL FIGURE TO BE A ROLE MODEL OF ANY SORT. I don’t like the idea of Mac again but PPM caused it as they should have ousted him beforehand. I’d rather accept his half hearted apology than to endure another 4 years of PPM.

    • Anonymous says:

      Bush, the best and brightest of Caymanians comes through again.

      Unbeatable at the polls and more political IOU’s than everyone.

      The greatest Caymanian politician ever.

    • Anonymous says:

      What are you living in?…Tell your children not to look to Politicians as role models.

    • Anonymous says:

      Panton is making the best out of a bad situation.

      in case you didn’t notice, Panton didnt approach Mac until such time as Isaac back stabbed PACT by signing two documents…

      If you ask me (and the majority of voters) we would all much rather have Mac as speaker (having signed code of conduct etc) than have the PPM challenging its citizens with their own tax money and selling Caymanians down the river to the developers/rich expats for another 4 years.

      to the PPM – I guess that small miracle with the port turned out to be a massive miracle that kicked your assess to the curb!

      And the best part (which shows just how disenfranchised you are with the Caymanian population) – YOU DIDN’T EVEN SEE IT COMING!!!!!

      Dont let the door hit you on the way out!

      Teddy

  18. Anon says:

    What I find so discouraging is the apparent foregone conclusion that the PPM members, sitting in the opposition role, will need to oppose/block any and every thing that the new government proposes. What about evaluating each proposal on the merits that it offers the country and acting accordingly? A strong opposition is a good thing – we should be looking at things from different angles and engaging in healthy debate. But not everything is controversial and opposition, for opposition’s sake, is exhausting.

    • Anonymous says:

      Tribalism and egos don’t allow for such sensible actions for the good of the country.

    • Anonymous says:

      To be fair, they would actually have to do this to be castigated for it.
      This is similar to the argument that Wayne HAD to buy off McKeeva with Speaker because otherwise the Progressives would. Note that they hadn’t, but it makes a useful straw man to justify deplorable behavior.
      I would suggest we save our indignation to those actions that have actually taken place, and to be sure there will be many that deserve it, but being mad about something that might happen and hasn’t is a little silly.

  19. Anonymous says:

    They are not independents Alric Lindsay said at the get back in line or you’re canceled meeting they had in prospect for Sabrina that the “independents” were meeting a year prior to the elections sounds a lot like a party to me and cayman marl road said they were peaceful in prospect that’s only because Sabrina said and did what they wanted to hear I wonder how things would have turned out if she chose to stay with ppm

    • Anonymous says:

      Correct! Let’s see how Sabrina fairs in PACT. All good as long as she’s not the Minister of Education!

  20. Anonymous says:

    What a sour puss! Power at any cost!

    Give it up and through your support behind the new Government.

    Roy, you are starting to make a complete ass of yourself. We all know it’s Alden pulling the strings but we see you face and hear your voice.

    Enough is enough!

    • Anonymous says:

      If Alden was pulling the strings Roy would have accepted Mac with caveats and form the Government
      Roy does not know how to win, and can’t accept that he’s lost. He’s been “Out-Wayned”

  21. Anonymous says:

    How is 50% of the seats “overwhelming support” for a Wayne Panton government? Looks like half the districts want Panton and half want McTaggart. Either way, we will have an unstable government. The Panton side has been consistently bashing the previous leadership, but no one is talking about Panton’s new Cabinet Ministers. Say what you want about the outgoing Ministers, but each one of them has more integrity than Panton’s bunch combined. We will now have a full Cabinet of rookie ministers who can chat but who have never handled money. It is going to be interesting to see what happens once the honeymoon is over and these guys get full access to the Cookie jar.

    • Anonymous says:

      Something wrong with your math skills.

      • Anonymous says:

        I like your last sentence which really sums up the reason why the PPM are so not wanting to leave..They no longer get to stick their hands in the cookie jar.

        • Anonymous says:

          So easy to generalise. Please do tell us exactly where all this corruption occurred. I’m sure the Anti-Corruption Commission and the Ombudsman’s Office would love to know.

          • Anonymous says:

            Agree 11:32 AM and the previous two Progressive led administrations put those “cookies” in the jar. They did not take any out except using some to take care of people during the COVID-19 Pandemic and the jar is still 2/3 full.

      • Anonymous says:

        Or yours. I’m pretty sure 9 still equals 9.

    • Anonymous says:

      Is it ok, in the Cayman Islands to be, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, if you’re a convicted woman beater?,
      By Offering to give 10% of your salary to charity? PATHETIC

      How can any INDEPENDENT, that ran against this ABUSIVE, CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, be part of the INDEPENDENT COALITION, “FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY”?
      PATHETIC

    • r3ally says:

      Man that ole cookie jar really is popular, but let’s wait and see if our new “leaders” turn into thieves. (Some of the older ones seem to believe it is their right to take whatever they need!)

  22. Anonymous says:

    McTaggart and the PPM lackeys are sounding like former President Donald Trump more and more, day after day.
    Read the Constitution you bean counter – SECTION 75(2)

    While we here thought the recent US election was a mess, the PPM has and is continuing to create a mess.

    Again bean counter read the Constitution. It does not matter what is done in other governments, as our Constitution clearly spells it out -SECTION 75(2).

    And yes you are welcome bean counter for my free legal advice.

    • Anonymous says:

      Bit of a stretch to bring Trump into this.
      The US has a very weak voting system that is open to blatant abuse and Cayman does not….we hope.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s only because the electoral college is a way to cheat into office. And they showed that even all the loopholes couldn’t help elect the unpopular. Just like here, ppms brainchild was omov.

      • Hubert says:

        Unlike Trump, at least the PPM are not calling for an insurrection.

    • Caymanian says:

      Actually Independents acting more like Trumpsters. Sending people to MLAs homes to harass them and their families. Thuggish mentality.

      But what I want to speak on is the ten pieces of silver or is that 10% of pay.

      Say what you want about what Alden did with Bush but he cut him loose and called an early elections.

      Wayne sold his sold to the devil.

      What I want to know is where is all the uproar now about McKeeva? Where are the women? Where are the husbands and fathers and grandmothers and grandfathers?

      Did your wife or daughter or mother or grandmother just become valued at 10%???

      I would have preferred PPM take the position they have now than take the deal Wayne just did. And kudos to McKeeva for sticking the knife in Wayne. Made him give him the seat Wayne wanted to call a no confidence vote on.

      You people honestly sicken me.

      • Anonymous says:

        Nothing different here Alden made a deal with the devil 4 years ago to maintain his power and also had the opportunity of ridding us of this tyrant, but didn’t and that was acceptable? Two of a kind work it out for yourself.

      • Anonymous says:

        Not quite sold his soul to the devil… made a PACT to be more specific.

      • Anonymous says:

        8::41 am Caymanian, Sorry if I sicken you, but I would bet that your drivel makes more real Caymanians sick than both of us would believe.

      • Anonymous says:

        Agree with most of 8:41 AM except that I would not give any kudos to McKeeva though I agree that ultimately Wayne and his PACT got played by McKeeva and by extension the entire country if they form the government.

    • Anonymous says:

      You gotta come off of that stuff…
      Please seek counseling…

  23. Anonymous says:

    Why can an outside Speaker, like Ms Mary, not be put in as Speaker?

    #sheisNOTsupportedbyPACT

    • Anonymous says:

      Because the PPM refusing to work with PACT. There are only 19 representatives and with PPM putting self interests ahead of country, the only option is to give someone already elected the speakership ergo Mac.

    • Anonymous says:

      No enhanced pay for Mac if that was done

  24. Anonymous says:

    Can someone enlightment me on what the salaries are going to be for the former PPM members, now back benchers, going forward. For example, Alden now drops from Premier to a back bencher. What will his new salary be? And what will it be for his former Deputy and Ministers?

    I know I can’t be the only Caymanian pondering this question.

    Enquiring minds want an answer.

  25. Anonymous says:

    Ha. Ha. Ha. No miss here. Sit down. Accept your PPM defeat and get on with business being a representative of the Caymanian people;your boss I might add.

  26. Blessing in disguise says:

    Amen! I say we go back to the polls. I can think of at least four people that will loose the seat they got by mistake – one of them being Roy himself!

    • Anonymous says:

      You really see Emily picking up more than 100% increase in votes? Be realistic.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ho do you gain a seat “mistakenly” with about 85% of votes that could have been spread across 4 other candidates but were allotted to only one?? Please explain your logistics and definition of mistake :’)

  27. Anonymous says:

    Well, guess all Isaac has to do know is pick out a chair on the backbench..What an idiot! Hope you see know what following Alden will get you.

    Pissed off East Ender..

    • Anonymous says:

      Isaac – you made the right choice in staying with the PPM – don’t listen to the PACT mob.
      For those of us who think Cayman has no trains – we will all be shocked by the train wreck that will be our economy a year from now.
      If it was not for the PPM we would be a lot worse off in this pandemic.
      Thank you Alden, Roy, and the PPM for keeping us safe and being good stewards of our economy and tax dollars.

    • Anonymous says:

      True definition of “Pick and pick, until you pick sh*t”

    • Anonymous says:

      Its ‘now’ not ‘know’ so I guess not only are you pissed off but you are also illiterate……

  28. PPM Out says:

    Reminds me of a fish just pulled onto the shore – flipping about for a way to get back I.he water. I wanted PACT without McBeater, but this will hopefully be his last term and I am praying my children and grandchildren will reap the benefits of my discomfort. I cannot say they would have had the same chances with four more years of PPM . Please, Roy, give up the ghost and take your seat with the opposition.

    • Anonymous says:

      Roy was an independent then joined Ppm. Please switch back to being an independent free thinking man Roy (not Aldens puppet) & join the government. You are better than this. Think of what’s best for the country. Be an independent again & boot McKeeva back where he belongs.

  29. Anonymous says:

    Roy is starting to sound more like Alden every day.

    • Anonymous says:

      Who do you think wrote all of those pages he was reading out in his speech. I received the same thing in a chat group earlier from Alden and it was the same thing that Roy read.

      Roy doesn’t have that strategic, sly,deceptive personality that Alden has but he is a work in progress.

      • Anonymous says:

        No Pat Estwick writes all of PPM speeches and including their manifestos. Everybody knows this and she zones this for years!

        • Anonymous says:

          Yes I was told this years ago too. But want certain if she was a member of the party.

          Would be great if the public could obtain a copy of their member listing. We’d all be surprised who is funding them as well as advising them.

          Loved Roy and Barbara to death and then some, they both truly wonderful and emphatic people!!!! But this whole thing with the battle for power just made them leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I so wish Roy had played the game his way, instead of being Alden’s puppet.

    • Anonymous says:

      And they all sound like bullying Bush, more and more each day. They’re no different, little education separating them.

  30. Candid says:

    PACT has 10 and PPM has 9. Arcane rules aside, who has a better claim of right? PPM, leave the stage. You can shoot your own grandmothers just for the opportunity to continue selling out your country.

  31. BTE cryin says:

    jon jon – you’s an independant! run fast.

  32. Anonymous says:

    Roy, come on, I really expected better from you. Are you going to continue to let Alden lead you down this road of self destruction. You lost, suck it up! Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

    I was hoping that you or Moses would cross the aisle and retake your original positions. Forget Premier now, you were set up just like Marco and Alden will throw you under the bus just like he did him.

    Put your ego aside now and do what is best for the country and not the Party. People will respect you for that..

    I’m counting on you to thoroughly think this through. Be a statesman not a career politician.

  33. Anonymous says:

    The PACT is now doomed. There is no way the British Government can or should allow McKeeva Bush to hold any form of power whatsoever. He is a criminal and a shell of a man, not fit to stand for this Country or decide its fate. Any man to stand with him destroys himself.

    • Anonymous says:

      So you are so diehard PPM that you prefer the UK step in rather than anything else?

      SMH.

      Go sit down!

    • Anonymous says:

      He was good enough for the PPM for 8 years and even the UK said it was left to the PPM government to do something and they did nothing.

      Move on.

  34. Anonymous says:

    Give it up Roy!! Sit back and watch the Great Train Wreck unfold. Sad 4 years coming for Cayman!!

    • Anonymous says:

      We’re going to ban foreign real estate agents and ban work permit holders from owning cars
      And that shouldn’t be an issue because development will surely come to an half

      • Anonymous says:

        And why do we need foreign real estate agents? Why can a a Caymanian not do this job?

        • Anonymous says:

          Repeat it, louder, for the people in the back!

        • Anonymous says:

          Real estate agents are paid on commission only. Most Caymanians won’t work on those terms. Real estate isn’t a M-F/9-5 job. It requires work on weekends and holidays. Most Caymanians won’t work on those terms. To be a successful real estate agent, you have to hustle and kiss the ass of your clients. Most Caymanians won’t work on those terms.

          • Anonymous says:

            Real estate agents turn keys.

          • Anonymous says:

            I’ve never seen a realtor do a days’ work in my life. Most of them don’t even know the stamp duty laws, most of them pretend not to know anything about future developments that will be built on your doorstep. Wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them.

        • Anonymous says:

          9:04, Simple answer is a good number of Caymanians do not have the basic education to be real estate agents. Basic math and English is required for the job.

          We need to get our public education system going.

  35. Anonymous says:

    Oh the irony. All those celebrating “change” don’t seem to realize that this PACT plan makes the grand daddy of them all the most powerful person in the country.

    He can now cast the deciding vote on every….single…piece….of….legislation.

    And for those pro-environment groups, no-one is more pro development, pro dart than Big Mac. This is the man that wanted a multi-story tower.

    Be very careful what you wish for.

  36. Anonymous says:

    Congratulations Sleezy Panton for being so hungry for power that you are more than willing to openly show your disrespect for 50 of our citizens by making a political deal with a convicted woman beater so you can be Premiere. That is pathetic beyond words. You have absolutely no shame.

    • Anonymous says:

      Congratulations McKeeva Bush. You are truly the Muhammad Ali of Caymanian politics.

      Long may you reign over our great islands.

      A knighthood coming next year.

  37. Anonymous says:

    Roy, don’t take your eye off the Julie Mango! They are known for suddenly dropping off the tree limbs.

    Of course it would be all for the love of Country and District!

    • Anonymous says:

      PACT would welcome the Julie Mango.

      If Muslims or Jewish people were in control of the Cayman Islands you can rest assured that the Julie Mango would join the winning team. GO JULIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      The Julie Mango will soon make a dramatic move off the tree.

  38. Anonymous says:

    I don’t think very many of us are happy about this other than persons who were unconcerned with Mckeeva’s behavior in the first place but if the choice is having the PPM continue to destroy Cayman and the lives of Caymanians for the next 4 years or having that clown out a wig on once every 4 months then I know which I’d prefer to not have to make any arrangement with Mckeeva at all but the PPM and their financial backers have made that all bud impossible, if the choice is Mckeeva or the PPM, I’ll take the devil I know over the devils who will sell us all down the river to line their own pockets and to soothe their business interests

  39. Anonymous says:

    Stunned by the U turn by those previously campaigning heavily against Mac. Pushing candidates to say no Mac UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Completely unacceptable etc etc.

    And now.. weeeell he’s not all bad!?

    Seriously 2 faced. Seriously pathetic.

    • Anonymous says:

      “Stunned”…it was forced by the greedy PPM.

    • Shocked says:

      I can’t believe I’m reading this. Panton aligning himself with the person he hated to try to win an election. Everybody in PACT with a soul, run now.

    • Anonymous says:

      But his voters returned him. That’s the sad part! Now both sides have to consider him to form the government. We are currently in an unstable place, this cannot continue so Mac has to be considered. We wouldn’t be in this position if the PPM had done the right thing. Maybe Mario would have had another few weeks to win over a mere 27 people.

      • anonymous says:

        That’s why we are a British Colony. When the voters are too high on swanky to fend for themselves the guiding hand of law and order from mother Britain comes down from above to show us right from wrong.

  40. Anonymous says:

    PPM may not have 9 come Wednesday.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hopefully some see the light…Alden started the destruction and Roy is the final blow to the ppm.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yeah, more like 11.

      • Lol. says:

        You must be new here because you clearly know nothing about Juliana. And she may not be the only one who leaves the party.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe not, but that will also speak to the character and fortitude of those that leave now that the particular Mac-sized die has been cast.

  41. Anonymous says:

    Accept defeat graciously and rebuild. You’ll gain more credibility and support in the long run, get 19 members one for each constituency and educate/develop folk. Stop mucking about.

    • Anonymous says:

      His political career has been one of selfish disregard for his countrymen….don’t have him in charge of ethics training.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well said, we don’t need any Caymanian Donald Trump wannabees in our political system.

      • Anonymous says:

        Cayman wish they had a trump. Only then things would make sense. Silly little bottom feeders. We are.

  42. Anonymous says:

    My honest opinion is that they are not being totally honest with us. Either they have more than ten members on their side or the idea is make Bush a Cabinet member after swearing in. This could be done by appointing a Speaker from outside and have Bush replace the least experienced Minister who currently would be Jay Ebanks. Not sure if McTaggart is right about them not being able to appoint the Premier perhaps someone knowledgeable can enlighten us as to the procedure.

  43. Gunbay Revolt says:

    Poor Roy please call Douglas the despot leader of East End he needs help cause it looks like his committee is about to depose him as leader! Oh Shit!

  44. Anonymous says:

    Desperation personified. The die is now cast. With no alternative but to welcome darkness, (the man, he was first to cast out), McKeeva Bush into his inner circle, elected member Panton shows his true colours. He sees no other path and so acting with expediency and impulse (yet again) and showing his lack of patience or ability – he shows us all where he truly belongs, on a bench far at the rear, ignored and taking his cheque. History repeats. And in this case — deservedly so.

  45. Anonymous says:

    “He described Panton’s announcement as “merely a ruse” because a speaker can only break a tie in favour of the status quo.”

    That’s just a sensible convention. We’ve seen what happens to those in this era when they get in the way of power. McKeeva has never had qualms with breaking the traditions of the Speakership. I expect he will do so here and if challenged he will say that surely as one of 19 elected he has a say too in who should be Premier.

    The fact is that as of now, if PACT wants to force itself into government, it can, and Progressives cannot do anything about it.

    • Anonymous says:

      Neither the Constitution or the relevant Cayman Islands law are as simple as that, if such things are to be followed, but then again we are talking about people, some of whom, have not always felt the need to obey the law.

    • Anonymous says:

      Correct.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe I am wrong but when voting for the premier at this point nobody is the speaker as the speaker can’t be decided until we have a premier?

    • Anonymous says:

      Is the speaker chosen before or after the premier?

  46. Anonymous says:

    The country did not vote for a Independant lead government. The country overwhelmingly voted for the PPM as no other party was contending.

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re not great with numbers right?

    • Food for thought says:

      First of all the people in CBE and CBW have no choice, so that is a given. It’s pretty bad that an alcoholic/drug user could build a base on the Brac and have more than 150 votes! they must really want JOC gone.

      Yet the bloody PPM couldn’t convince even ONE more person to run with them in WBW or anywhere? They can’t even get more members to step up in four years? Is there no succession plan?

      It’s very telling that several of their previous members are now in opposition or left the party; and people are protesting against them taking the helm.

      Arden – former PPM
      Heather – former PPM
      Ossie – former PPM
      Wayne – former PPM
      Sabrina – former PPM
      Anthony – former PPM (retired but crossed the floor)
      Lucille – former PPM (retired but campaigned with an IND in this election)

      So what does that tell you about their values/morals/leadership?

    • Anonymous says:

      12 independent vs 7 PPM – Austin out, Eugene out, Tara gone, Frank Cornwall landslide. Take out the 2 from Brac/Little and that means only 5 out of the 17 members from Grand are actual PPM members.

      If PPM wants to be part of a coalition Government they should join PACT -duh

    • Anonymous says:

      You still don’t understand what a party is do you? PPM IS NOT A PARTY!! Please educate yourself.

  47. John Doe says:

    Can’t accept the fact they are defeated. They never looked after their own, and they are looking to squeeze out ever single penny from me and my fellow caymanians. Enough bullying, you had the chance to make it right for the past 8 years and you never did, they want to be in power they want it to become dictatorship. Your time is over and the voice of people is prevailing!!

    • Patricia Bryan says:

      Every election if the government changes residents/voters say the previous administration made a mess of things. There really will never be satisfaction. McKeeva Bush/UDP were they worst for two election cycles…until PPM took the reigns. Then after these past two election cycles PPM are now the worst. McKeeva according to the people was a sellout because he sold out Caymanian land to Dart; allowed Dart to buy and build and got free concessions. He McKeeva gave free and unearned Caymanian Statuses. Then it has become Alden/PPM sold out to the UK and the white investors/money people/special interests groups. This government cycle is not the first Cayman was on a “black list” or being placed in a financial scrutinized position. This has happened a few times over the past 12 or more years. One thing politicians count on. A short memory. 6 of 1 but half a dozen of the other. It is politics. There will never be enough to please everyone all the time.

      • Anonymous says:

        Not so much short memory but we are busy shedding the dinosaurs with their old and newer (port, concessions, etc) secrets.

      • anonymous says:

        To his credit – Cayman was a desperate backwater when Dart showed up. McKeeva took a calculated risk. it is easy to judge him poorly in hindsight. The biggest problem with the Cayman Islands and the Caymanian people in general is their short memories and lack of consideration as to how lucky they were then and how lucky they are now. Always the focus on what is missing from their plate rather than grateful for what they have on it. Looking around this region you see so much need and want. Here we have an abundance because of our forefathers with vision. We need more of the fittest and wise and less of the fat, indulgent and entitled here.

        • Anonymous says:

          Cayman was better before Dart. You clearly weren’t here then if you can make such a statement.

        • Anonymous says:

          Calling Cayman a “desperate backwater” in the 90s when Dart first bought property here is an incredibly ignorant statement.

          • Anonymous says:

            Thank you. you obviously seem to dismiss the major economic stimulus of these islands occur in the 90s and prior to Dart arrival #facepalm.
            #stopspreadingnonsense

  48. Anonymous says:

    He will be reappointed speaker by Premier Panton after the election of the premier. Quick grasping at straws old man…just retire in shame.

    • Anonymous says:

      The election of the Speaker is the first order of business. This is why McKeeva will already be Speaker when the vote for Premier happens.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yep, read the Constitution Roy. I am sending you a pallet full of Kleenex from Amazon – cry as much as you want . . . from the backbench.

    • Anonymous says:

      The Speaker is the first to be elected.

  49. Anonymous says:

    Give it up, Roy. How about PPM do something right for the country and support the PACT government instead of desperately clinging to power???

  50. Anonymous says:

    Can’t accept the fact they are defeated. They never looked after their own, and they are looking to squeeze out ever single penny from me and my fellow caymanians. Enough bullying, you had the chance to make it right for the past 8 years and you never did, they want to be in power they want it to become dictatorship. Your time is over and the voice of people is prevailing!!

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