HRC expects UK to act as CMA remains defiant

| 31/07/2020 | 115 Comments
Boris Johnson, as the Mayor of London, supporting gay rights

(CNS): The passage of the Domestic Partnership Bill into law “should have been inevitable”, given the ruling of the Cayman Islands Court of Appeal, the Human Rights Commission has said. But as the “Legislative Assembly failed once again” to meet it obligations, “direct intervention by the United Kingdom now appears likely”, the HRC said in a statement. Meanwhile, the Cayman Ministers Association has confirmed that it will never support equality for same-sex couples.

As the members of the HRC quietly watched the situation unfold with “deep regret” that the country’s politicians failed to provide the necessary rights to all of its citizens, the association of local Christian leaders has dominated the debate over the last few weeks and remained defiant in its position.

In its position paper to the government on the Domestic Partnership Bill, the Cayman Ministers Association continued to deny the idea that same-sex couples should be afforded any rights, as they suggested that the call for marriage equality was about desires, not rights.

“The current scenario representing a seismic shift in western morality has resulted in legislators seemingly accepting the default position that a desire… must be catered to and reframed as a right,” the CMA wrote in a position paper.

Despite the fact that Cayman is a party to the European Convention on Human Rights and has its own Bill of Rights, which was voted into law by the Cayman people and confers the right to a family life to everyone, without exception, the HRC has not sought to correct the CMA.

While the church may not accept that same sex-couples have rights, the legal position is that they do and as a result the government continues to break the law by not offering a mechanism to convey those rights.

The CMA has played a significant part in this ongoing problem and was instrumental in the demise of the bill that would have rectified the legal breach. The church leaders have also made it clear they will not support any effort by government to meet its legal obligations.

“Our position has always been that we cannot support any legislation which goes against the teachings of scripture,” the CMA said in a press release issued this week. “While we understand the efforts to satisfy the directives of the Court of Appeals to specifically cater for same-sex unions, we cannot support this directive because it is contrary to the teachings of the Bible regarding marriage, the family and human sexuality.”

The government’s Domestic Partnership Bill was defeated in the Legislative Assembly on Wednesday by nine votes to eight. This means that legislators have defied an order from the appeal court and will lead to intervention by the United Kingdom.

The only two questions that remain now in relation to the issue is when it will happen and whether the British government will enforce the passage of the Domestic Partnership Bill or re-impose the amendments to the Marriage Law by Chief Justice Anthony Smellie last year.

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Why do we allow the CMA which alot of them I am sure are not even Caymanian. They come here and are afforded all the rights and yet they want to deny the same rights to born Caymanians. Makes no sense. Disgusting.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ona all sound Ike the Tower of Babel , contradictory palaver, arrogance and hatred and whatever else is evil.

      Every man Every woman has a right to exist , to choose to live peacefully one with the other and with each other provided that their right does not infringe on another’s rights. Now in the case of this never ending dispute there is only one winner and that is The Crown, earthly title indeed, but history has given its existence. Yet again the colonial ethos of overlording over the peasants and slaves to the Monarchy will feel it’s mighty hand extended from afar to put the uncivilized ( figure of speech here) wannabe leaders in their place and submit them to it’s will,for their imbecilic way of thinking, because they knew , they perceived that this would be the outcome of the debate, send the fool a little further .

      Rest assured that the vision of independence is now even further away, for men and women of today who hold leadership positions in these Islands who are unable to comprehend the art of compromise have no doubt set back the dreams and aspirations to be free men and women and to charter their own destiny on a ship well equipped with all that is necessary for a good voyage; well yes it will remain a dream. Until we educate ourselves in the art of diplomacy, of war of subterfuge vital traits of our colonial OverlordS, , we will be forever talking crap in the Legislative Assembly and in the street corners, while our young ones future just slips away day by day.

    • Anonymous says:

      A word of caution to the LGBT community, please do not inflame the upcoming right you shall be given to the point of being offensive in ya face attitude. This could have serious consequences with flare ups of anger by those who oppose your rights. Continue to be respectful and recognize that civility must be given in order to be received. 🌈…

  2. Anonymous says:

    We’re just specs of star dust.

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  3. Anonymous says:

    Time is up on CMA’s fallacy-based narratives. They should be denied platforms to spread hate, and lobby for the suppression of Caymanian rights.

    Anyone on FB can (and should) take a few seconds to anonymously report the “Cayman Ministers Association” page for violation/abuse of platform policy.

    Everyone of us can (and should) be an ally to justice and equality.

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  4. Anonymous says:

    I don’t need to prove God. He speaks for Himself.

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  5. Anonymous says:

    I do not agree with the assertion that the CMA has “dominated the debate”. They have stated where they stand, but social media and this forum have been full of submissions by people like myself who fully support equal rights for same-sex couples. The CMA does need to be aware of the damage they are doing to the image of the church in the eyes of many in the community, by focusing on this one issue as if it’s the last stand of the kingdom of God. However, they can’t be held responsible for the failure of the bill, as I’m sure most of those who voted for or against the bill pick and choose what CMA policies they will let influences their decisions.

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  6. Anonymous says:

    I for one do not want to live on an island that is run by a religious cult. Time for the UK to step up and let the will of the people rule. P.S. will it be possible to have slaves again soon?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Allowed by the Bible so why not.

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      • Anonymous says:

        “Our position has always been that we cannot support any legislation which goes against the teachings of scripture,” So why the thumbs down, that’s the CMAs stated position, and the Bible condones slavery. Try 1 Timothy 6:1. Or Leviticus 25:44-46. You can’t make a swinging statement like you can’t support legislation that is contrary to scripture, then pick and choose which bits of scripture you want to apply.

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    • Anonymous says:

      There are many other islands you can live on. ORIA will be open in September.

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    • Anonymous says:

      You came here and found it that way..Don’t like it, Cayman Airways and British Airways are up and running..You can connect through Miami or fly direct via Nassau on British…Either place will remove from the religious cult that you have made up..

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      • Anonymous says:

        Maybe you should question whoever has been teaching your Bible lessons. The Bible is pretty clear (reiterated across several books), on Minority Rights, and consequences for Oppressors who thwart and scheme Iniquity. You might want to familiarize yourself with some of these, and execute an emergency course correction if your death plan still has anything to do with Salvation:

        Proverbs 31:8-9
        “Open your mouth for the mute,
        For the rights of all the unfortunate.
        Open your mouth, judge righteously,
        And defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.”

        Zechariah 7:9
        “Thus has the Lord of hosts said, ‘Dispense true justice and practice kindness and compassion each to his brother;

        Psalm 82:3-4
        “Vindicate the weak…
        Do justice to the afflicted…
        Rescue the weak…
        Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.”

        Micah 2:1-3
        “Woe to those who scheme iniquity,
        Who work out evil on their beds!
        When morning comes, they do it,
        For it is in the power of their hands.
        They covet fields and then seize them,
        And houses, and take them away.
        They rob a man and his house,
        A man and his inheritance.
        Therefore thus says the Lord,
        “Behold, I am planning against this family a calamity
        From which you cannot remove your necks;
        And you will not walk haughtily,
        For it will be an evil time.”

      • Anonymous says:

        Your statement sounds ignorant, this person could very well be Caymanian so they didn’t come and find it this way. Please keep in mind as well that Christian Missionaries are who brought Christianity to Cayman, they were outsiders so why not be upset at them for forcing a religious view onto your ancestors?

    • Anonymous says:

      We dont wanna be run by the libral lunatic mob you mean!

  7. Anonymous says:

    Their quote “Our position has always been that we cannot support any legislation which goes against the teachings of scripture” Only shows that they are not qualified to lead the Government of the Cayman islands which should be lead by the will of the people and not the will of the interpretation of the Bible. Just saying.

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  8. Anonymous says:

    If the passage of the proposed domestic partnership legislation was so important then Alden should not have released the members of his government from their collective responsibility. Additionally, if it is the intention of the UK to force same-sex marriage on the people of the Cayman Islands then the governor should not have allowed a vote on a piece of legislation where one of the possible outcomes is essentially a rejection of same-sex marriage &/or the related rights and benefits.

    It is also important to recognize that after the appeals court ruling there was a vote on a piece of legislation where a possible outcome was to effectively reject that ruling. None of that made sense.

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    • Anonymous says:

      The doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty (imposed on us by the UK) means the judiciary cannot make/amend law – nor can the judiciary for the legislature to do so. The legislature make laws, the judiciary applies them.

      That is why there were options to object, no one has been able to assert why in every single other context the UK’s doctrine of parliamentary supremacy is upheld except this one.

      The Premier released his MLAs from collective responsibility makes it clear there was trouble within the ranks. Remember now, Alden cannot be Premier in the next election because he cannot serve 3 consecutive terms so he needs to play nice to be able to be Premier next time he can.

      Chess not checkers

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      • Anonymous says:

        …and the result is bad/abusive governance which falls at the feet of the Governor and FCO…checkmate. Game over.

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        • Anonymous says:

          This Governor needs to keep out of local politics..He is lucky that McKeeva is muffled otherwise we would be hearing a lot more about him..

  9. Anonymous says:

    I would like to know which churches are included in CMA.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I think there is a website for them. I don’t want to lie, but I think it includes Agape, First Baptist and Church of God.

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  10. Anonymous says:

    Wow! let’s stop this please. I have read most of this thread and everything is about vilifying the CMA. Come on, we are spewing hate just like we say they are.. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It would be better to show them that we are better than that and take the high ground and not subject ourselves to the same thing we accuse them of. I really don’t like what I am hearing. This will only serve to cause more division.

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    • Anonymous says:

      That is POINT of leftism, sow division where ever ooasible. Gender, race, nationalism, sexual orientation, income, creed. And tondestroy all that resembles Judeo Christianity and the traditional family.

      They (the left) are the biggest bigots of all.

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    • Anonymous says:

      CMA is an unabashed hate group. Their website violates terms of use and anti-abuse agreement and should be taken down immediately per Uniregistry and OfReg stated policy. Left or right, that’s not a matter of belief or opinion! CMA wrote it themselves and posted it!

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    • Anonymous says:

      CMA, through their own actions and comments, impune themselves AND disqualify themselves from any possible afterlife salvation, while accelerating their worst-case Orders in Council scenario. A trifecta of self-sabotage propelled by unchecked stupid.

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  11. Anonymous says:

    Colours (or anyone else willing to be the lightning rod) should file complaints against the CMA domain website [www.caymin.ky] with domain host, Uniregistry, our regulator, OfReg, and the domain host’s regulator, ICANN, the RCIPS and anti-hate reporting sites (HateBase, Online Hate Prevention Institute, etc). That website should be taken down in the next 24hrs.

    Uniregistry Acceptable Use and Anti-Abuse Policies:
    https://uniregistry.ky/legal/tld-terms

    R3.62.17. A Domain Name shall not be used: (d) abuse, annoy, threaten or harass any other person.

    Failure to comply with this paragraph will lead to the immediate revocation of the Registrant’s Domain Name, in addition to any separate legal consequences.

    R3.62.18. By registering a Domain Name, Registrants acknowledge that they must comply with all Applicable Laws including the provisions of the Laws of the Cayman Islands, and in particular the Electronic Transactions Law, the Computer Misuse Law, and the Information & Communications Technology Authority Law or their equivalent (copies of which are on the Authority’s website).

    OfReg Acceptable Use Policies:
    https://www.ofreg.ky/ict/upimages/commonfiles/1425398278KYDomainRightsofUse.pdf

    25. A Domain Name shall not be used:
    (d) to abuse, annoy, threaten or harass any other person.

    Failure to comply with this paragraph will lead to the immediate revocation of the Registrant’s Domain Name, in addition to any separate legal consequences.

    Further, CMA should also have it’s Non-Profit Charitable Status canceled per §8 for “violations of declared purpose” under the Non-Profit Organisational Law 2017:

    https://cnslibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/Non-Profit-Organisation-Law-2017.pdf

    8. (1) The Registrar shall cancel or suspend the registration of a non-profit organisation if
    (b) after an investigation, it is proven that the non-profit
    organisation- (i) engaged in or is engaging in wrongdoing;

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    • Anonymous says:

      …also, anyone can truthfully report their FB page for violation of user policy. Go to their page, click “…” at the top drop down menu, report site. We need to deny them their hate-filled bandwidth. Adios CMA.

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    • Anonymous says:

      They could, but I think it is better to leave CMA’s hate-page there for all to see. Keep them out in the open. That way nobody will be fooled by their pretense at kindness, charity, harmony, goodwill or any of the other things churches pretend to be into to hide the weird sex stuff and brainwashing.

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  12. Anonymous says:

    So, therefore, the answer to the plague, the answer to everything is Jesus. He’s still the same yesterday, today and forever. The media can say what they want. Newsweek, New York Times, it doesn’t matter. They are all going to be gone. Jesus is still going to be as important 1,000 years from now as he was 2,000 years ago. He is the answer. Jesus is the Master of the Universe, and He is on the throne. There is only one, and He is on the throne and He has no intention of getting off of it.”

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    • Anonymous says:

      God doesn’t exist. Jesus was a cult leader, not dissimilar to David Koresh, Jim Jones, L Ron Hubbard, Bahgwan Rajneesh etc. A spiritual man who had a ton of charisma, but just a man. The new testament was written mostly 100’s of years later by people who did not know Jesus. It is wonderful that you have faith, and you are welcome to it – now try to imagine how you would feel if I was in charge and denied your right to religious freedom, and denied your right to religious assembly. Its the same thing – imposing your ‘beliefs’ as law.

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      • Anonymous says:

        God may not exist to you now, but when you die, there will be many questions that you will not be able to answer.
        Be blessed, be safe, be awake.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Prove it.

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    • anonymous says:

      and you point is?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe. But pretending you wield the authority of St Peter on earth, and have license to undermine your fellow humans, won’t gain you access to any kingdom. It’s entirely disqualifying. See you in hell, faux Christian hate-mongers!

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      • Anonymous says:

        Not hate mongering, trying to illustrate that religion and law should not be intertwined. I don’t hate christians or any religion, i hate when religious groups try to tell me what to think or what to do.

        ps if you’re going to see me in Hell that means you are there too?

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        • Anonymous says:

          If any of the prohibited menu options in Leviticus are true, there may be a long line get into Hell. I’ll be there for past and lifetime transgressions for sure, as will most of us.

          • Anonymous says:

            Really only applies to Jews and according to the last census you don’t have any.

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            • Anonymous says:

              Well that’s the pickle about quoting Old Testament word of God verse…everybody in the story was a Jew before Jesus Christ came along. There were no Christians yet by definition. #facepalm

    • Anonymous says:

      And yet he isn’t real. Jesus lives in your imagination.

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    • Anonymous says:

      the only throne he is on, is the one in your mind and that of your fellow believers. Society was formed before your God and will continue to do so after.

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  13. Anonymous says:

    At what point will these dinosaurs become extinct? If you wish to believe in the bible or any religion that is your choice and your right, but to use your beliefs as the basis to deny other peoples rights is no longer acceptable.
    Hey CMA, quick question: should we enforce Timothy 2:12I “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet” and Deuteronomy 22:13-21, 25:11-12
    or maybe we should write into law Genesis 19:30-38 ““Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.” or Exodus 21:20-21 “If a man beats his male or female slave with a club and the slave dies as a result, the owner must be punished. But if the slave recovers within a day or two, then the owner shall not be punished, since the slave is his property.”

    Your book and religion is as flawed as every other religion on the planet, you are no better or no worse, so please keep your book in the church and out of the rights of the people.

    bonus content: Genesis 6:11-13 God was angry because “the earth was filled with violence.” So he killed every living thing to make the world less violent. Hmmmm

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    • Anonymous says:

      @11:39AM

      Agreed! It’s a disgusting book. I’ll stop short of saying “It should be banned”!(b’cus I’m not one that advocates depriving others of their freedoms)…But I am thinking it.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Everyone has a right to sin, but why impose your sin on others?
      Many people have lived very sinful lives and there comes a moment of realization that this is unsustainable.
      Sin makes us miserable that is for sure.
      These repentant people then spend the rest of their lives preparing to meet the Holy God that has given them salvation.
      Bullying needs to stop on both sides. Don’t bully people into religion and don’t bully people into sin.
      Jesus bullied no one. He kept His mouth shut as they nailed the only man to have lived a sinless life to a piece of wood reserved for the worst of criminals.
      The ironic thing is that when we stand before Him, we will be those criminals.
      I thank Jesus for salvation and I urge all my brothers and sisters in the human race to seek Him while there is still time.
      All the best to everyone.

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  14. Anonymous says:

    I would not be proud of the lying 5th column deviant Boris “drag it out” Johnson championing my cause.

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    • Anonymous says:

      And you would argue that having Dwayne Seymour championing your cause is better?

      No one can control which politicians climb on any particular bandwagon, and their support should not affect your opinion – unless of course the cause promoters welcome the support. Not sure you can say that Colours are waving Boris around, but no shortage of our MLAs doing exactly that in regard to the CMA. Even quoting their letters in the LA.

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  15. Cayman Awake says:

    Those who are championing human rights and freedoms as they claim need to stop selling their weapons to countries who kill and imprisonments gays and lesbians who use those same weapons to bomb and kill innocent women and children in Yemen. what about their human rights ??? Stop taking their blood money until they adapt a domestic partnership law in their countries.

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  16. Anonymous says:

    Dumb people here.

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  17. Anonymous says:

    Some people want to preserve the sanctity and institution of marriage.

    Get over it.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Some people wanted to preserve the sanctity and institution of various things contained in the bible including: Slavery, Incest, lack of rights for women. should we have ignored those by “getting over it?”

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    • Anonymous says:

      Oh really? Is that why there’s so much adultery going on in the church?

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  18. Anonymous says:

    Below is a link to a terrifying current (July 24, 2020) fallacy-propped circular rallying deep hatred behind more tempered public comments by Rev Torrance Bobb of CMA. These aren’t differences of opinions. Read all of it and try to reconcile the two. This is the kind of fanatical extremism that would open an active investigative file with federal law enforcement anywhere else in the free world. These are the fringe lunatics that continue to have the ear of the government.

    http://www.caymin.ky/CARIBBEANCAUSECOMMUNIQUE.html

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    • Anonymous says:

      Wow, what a creepy, moronic, self-contradictory document.

      They are opposed to “any-biblical and anti-science” positions. LOL. Is anyone going to tell them that their whole crazy made-up belief system is anti-science?

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  19. Anonymous says:

    “Our position has always been that we cannot support any legislation which goes against the teachings of scripture,”

    I do believe that is the same argument the churches used in support of slavery for eons.

    And none were more Christian than Paul who states in Ephesians 6:5-8 “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”

    Maybe in another hundred years they will come around.

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  20. Anonymous says:

    Do these CMA [members] really believe their own BS? Probably, since the so called good book has been redacted and changed so many times over the centuries just to suit the Church’s doctrine of domination over other competing religions, perceived pagan cultures and lands. Fundamentalism has no place in a democracy but just like ISIS wants its own Caliphate CMA is fighting to further its own fundamentalist ideals here.
    This is not what Christianity was meant to be, it’s all inclusive and was founded upon the principle of do unto others as you would have them do to you.
    I’m not a practicing Christian, far from it, but I do agree with some of its teachings, especially how they relate to treating fellow human beings.

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  21. Anonymous says:

    Again the only time the CMA speaks up and has a statement is in regards to this matter, otherwise they are silent. Child abuse and assault, silent. Spouse abuse, silent. Rape, murder, domestic violence, again silent! The list goes on and on….

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    • Anonymous says:

      The reality is that the CMA has no credibility! None whatsoever.

      Gay rights? Equality? Abomination. Against God. Anyone who supports this is an atheist. These people were not born that way. God does not make mistakes. These people made a choice so face the wrath of God. Our wrath. Our Opprobrium. How dare they. The nerve. Damn them to hell.

      Adultery, fornication, child abuse, domestic abuse, misogyny, rape, murder etc etc????…..crickets.

      When a politicians or others who pander to them get in trouble or are charged with offences such as assault, domestic abuse, sexual abuse, statutory rape, rape, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, gross indecency and you name it, crickets then letters to the court and perhaps even public support. He is a God fearing man. He is a good man. He is a good Christian. He has done a lot for the Church. He has done a lot for the country. He attends Church regularly. He was only recently baptised. Gods plan of salvation – he will fall – support the brother – dont question the plan. Support the man. Treat him good. Dont send him to prison. Yes re-elect him please.

      You want respect. You want people to become Christians. Cut the hypocrisy. Learn to be accepting and tolerant of your sons and daughters. Your brothers and sisters. Your aunts and uncles. Your grandparents. And sometimes even your parents. Be like Jesus.

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    • Anonymous says:

      and more such as:

      + “children” having babies
      + births outside of marriage
      + births outside of their marriage (“the outside daughter…”)
      + divorce (after taking an OATH to stay married ’till death do us part”)….and
      + re-marry at a drop of a hat and do so many times…

      NEVER do they say anything about these matters….too close for comfort…they’d loose WAY TOO many from the congregation….much cash from the tithing church goers and would not be able to drive their Mercedes…..

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    • Anonymous says:

      Yep their entire website is dedicated to anti gay talking points, its thinly veiled hate speech and in any other country would probably be considered clear cut incitement of hatred and hate speech

      Luckily for them, we live in a country where Christians can demean, insult and defame anyone they like but where it is illegal to wound religious feelings which should also shatter any idea that there is free speech in this country
      The religious fundamentalists are allowed to speak freely and say whatever they wish, but we all saw what they tried to do to Foots, it wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last they attempt to imprison persons who create or say things they find unpleasant

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    • Anonymous says:

      Too right. Their quote “Our position has always been that we cannot support any legislation which goes against the teachings of scripture” surely makes the CMA a bunch of hypocrites. Where’s their public objection to other crimes ? Then there’s CMA’s presumption that the rest of us are confirmed bible thumpers, and bound to support any CMA position. What rot. CMA still living in the dark ages.

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  22. JTB says:

    What gives the CMA the right to ram their weird Christian lifestyle down our throats?

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    • Anonymous says:

      At this point, both groups are guilty of pushing their personal beliefs and agendas down the populaces’ throats. The problem is that only one group is proposing to make sweeping radical changes to the law which affects all.

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      • Anonymous says:

        There is only one specific focus group that is still actively lobbying to deprive Caymanians their civil rights while pretending that sodomy and/or homosexuality are still illegal in the Cayman Islands (they haven’t been for over 20 years). Only one group that is talking about gay bath houses in San Fransisco, spreading AIDS, equating homosexuality with mental illness, and the corruption of family values and youth. And again, only one group teaming up arm-in-arm with an anti-gay hate group, “Cause Caribbean” to walk-back existing laws and create rightwing theocracies across Caribbean. It’s not even subtle or discreet because it is the entire CMA website is devoted to it.

        Before you ask: no mention of Christ on the website. No mention of helping people during COVID-19. No programs to feed starving Caymanian schoolchildren. Nothing about helping homeless. Nothing about drug rehab support programs. Nothing about Sunday school classes, or for that matter, any mention of the long list of other prohibitions per Leviticus.

        It’s 100% anti-gay 24/7/365. To many voting Caymanians, that’s not just radical exclusion, but a couple steps beyond that, into the fanatical extremism camp.

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      It’s not even Christian!

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  23. Anonymous says:

    CMA: “Our position has always been that we cannot support any legislation which goes against the teachings of scripture.”

    What a crock. The Bible is full of things that are in direct opposition to many laws and rights, not only in Cayman but in every civilized secular society. These XXXXX know this but they fixate on the gay issue because it’s easy to get a majority of their feeble-minded flock riled up over it.

    #lame

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  24. Anonymous says:

    The CMA needs to stop worrying about what two consenting adults do and start worrying about the MANY cases of incest, child abuse, rape and domestic violence in Cayman.

    I have yet to hear one minister, preacher, pastor, or preacher speak out about those issues.

    Maybe try living by the Golden Rule, treat others as you would want to be treated.

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  25. Anonymous says:

    Could we have or does it exist elsewhere a full list of ALL the members of the CMA so that we, who believe in the separation of church and state, know who we are dealing with? One thing that came across recently from the prayers given at the beginning of each of the many many Covid press conferences we once had with the Premier and his team was that we have in Cayman, a very small jurisdiction, a truly staggering number of “preachers”, “ministers”, “reverends” “pastors” and “bishops”, many of whom seem to be associated with churches with very bizarre names. Is there a licensing or monitoring procedure to stop the type of terrible fundamentalist evangelism that has gone on for years in the US where the “ministers” appeal for money constantly?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Most of them are about the “offerings”. This is why the charity law needs to mandate that every non-profit organisation, that wishes to retain such recognition, publish their annual accounts signed by every member of the board for that year. No real need for audited accounts. Just every board member to accept responsibility for them. Then all persons can see what each organisation is involved with.

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    • Anonymous says:

      The Cayman Minister’s Association is a thinly-veiled participating branch of the far-right anti-gay “Caribbean CAUSE” hate group. Nearly the entire homepage of CMA is devoted expressly to anti-gay rhetoric and fallacy-based narratives. Spreading these seems to be the primary purpose of the CMA.

      http://www.caymin.ky

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    • Anonymous says:

      Most of them aren’t even with status but yet the government acts like they are.

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  26. Anonymous says:

    Nobody gives an actual flook what CMA thinks.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Except the elected politicians because whatever pastor/minister/preacher will tell their congregation whoo vote for (Hint: the vote will go to who ever buttered the church’s toast the thickest in the previous 4 years).

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    • BeaumontZodecloun says:

      We will have to discuss later the actual measurement of a “flook”. I suspect it is weighty.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Also including what you think.

    • Anonymous says:

      Perhaps. But everyone should care enough to oppose what they are doing to our people through (repeated) successful lobbying. It’s reckless to disregard that a handful on unelected Ministers are actually shaping domestic policy and lining us up for more headline risks, and sanctions.

  27. Anonymous says:

    I’ll bet that they don’t refuse the money that homosexuals put in the collection box when it is passed around in church!

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      Periodt.

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      Of course no. Everyone knows gay dollar is strong. Wait till they realize how much money gay weddings are going to bring here.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Could have brought here. The no vote is already circulating in the USA

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        We realise how much money it is and yet we still don’t care.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I just have to laugh. Really. It’s ok. Whatever you say. Why don’t you put a sign in church then ‘heterosexuals only can donate’ ? I thought so.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Really, we never should use this as a money maker advantage..that’s crossing the line for me.

        Yes the Gay dollar is strong but using that as a means to win the fight for same sex marriage is wrong..

        • Anonymous says:

          It is not the means to win same sex marriage, it’s a benefit that comes along. What is not about money here?That is going to be a golden mine for many. For many years LGBTQ people were asking if they could have a gay wedding here and were turned away and left with no choice but go elsewhere. Just wait and see how some of the most prominent, vapid and intolerant homophobes are going to say ‘ let’s see what me can get’.

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  28. Anonymous says:

    CMA yet again made another helpful gesture to speed up imposition of same sex marriage. Sincere thank you from a very gay man and his boyfriend.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I want the gays to get married so they can quickly scrap the whole marriage law.

      I say get rid of marriage entirely…

      My thoughts are that the domestic partnership law was to gain an advantage over the marriage law and that most Str8 and gay people would elect that instead.

      If I hear one more rule. Of LAw thing I’ll puke.. Equality before the law but having a different Law isn’t equal. One land, many people one law.

      Let them marry and then scrap marriage law

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  29. Anonymous says:

    Raise your hand if you don’t give a flying fart what the Cayman Ministers Association chooses to support or not support.

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    • BeaumontZodecloun says:

      Represent

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    • Anonymous says:

      I don’t give a flying flook about their 17th Century Christian dogma either!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Their website is devoted 100% to anti-gay links and fallacy-based rhetoric. That’s literally the entire online content. There’s no pretending to be feeding, housing, or helping/uplifting anyone less fortunate or in need in the Cayman Islands. No redeeming “Christian” social responsibility mission whatsoever. It is pretty much a hate group 24/7/365, with a strong affiliation to a right wing theocracy-seeking group called “Cause Caribbean”. GoDaddy/Uniregistry also have liability and culpability as the hosts for this hate site: http://www.caymin.ky

  30. Anonymous says:

    They should be stripped of their not for profit status. Rather than spreading love, they are spewing hate.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Explain to me which part of their position is hate? Just because their position differs from yours does not make it hate.

      I do not agree with their stated position but everyone has a right not to agree.

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      • Anonymous says:

        People are entitled to their opinion. But what you shouldn’t do is prevent a right to a group of people because ‘you don’t like it’. A couple wanting to marry is none of your business. At. All. You don’t get to insert yourself in their lives and dictate what they can and can’t do. Can you imagine if someone came up to you and said you can’t get married because they don’t like it???

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        The denial of basic fundamental rights, without any alternative to marriage being considered as an option. A statement that basic human rights departs from western civilization. A refusal to accept that persons be allowed to live and live by their creed, even though it departs from that of (some of) the church. I am not a religious person, but would love to support a gay pastor in establishing a house of worship here.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Fair’s fair, they sought and succeed to bar social recognition for LGBT, their own social recognition should be stripped.

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      • Anonymous says:

        The CMA does not have the legal authority to actively oppress and seek ongoing suppression the rights of our citizens. That brand of hate is not an opinion.

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    • Anonymous says:

      Exactly! What would Jesus do? Not that!!!!!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Yes, spewing hate, fire and brimstone, but fornicating with little boys and girls is okay!

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    • Anonymous says:

      Colours Cayman should file a pre-litigation complaint to ICANN against GoDaddy/Uniregistry for hosting a hate site caymin.ky. Frank Schilling needs to take down their site for violating ICANN and Uniregistry policies on hate speech.

      Registry Domain ID: DO_89e6185cc1bb96eb289afdb906cdbb03-UR
      Nameservers:
      ns1.lohost.net
      ns0.lohost.net

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