Drive-thru testing proposed
(CNS): Health officials might include ‘drive-thru’ testing at the hospital as a way of facilitating public access when the much-anticipated testing policy for COVID-19 is eventually rolled out. Chief Medical Officer Dr John Lee had results for just 12 tests at Friday’s press briefing and there were no new positive samples. But daily testing levels remain quite low, even though it has been more than ten days since a mass order of testing kits arrived here from South Korea..
Dr Lee explained at Friday’s press briefing that as they begin the “soft launch”, they need to test all the systems in the laboratories to make sure that they can accept the increased numbers in tests. But he said the main limiting factor for the delay in ramping up testing is Cayman’s stock of extraction kits, which are needed to prepare the sample for testing. They currently have the ability to test about 4,000 to 5,000 but they are very hopeful about their ability to get more.
The premier and the governor have both said that mass testing is part of their management strategy that will enable Cayman to emerge sooner rather than later from its current lockdown and help it manage a phased re-opening of the economy.
When large scale testing begins, Dr Lee has repeatedly said that front-line workers who are being exposed to the wider public on a daily basis will be tested first. This will give the authorities an idea of how widespread the virus is within the community and allow those who test positive to be removed from that public facing work.
If the virus is found to be largely contained to the current clusters and the few unconnected cases, which the CMO has confirmed is now eight, then the premier has said this will help shape the phased re-opening of the community. On the other hand, evidence of much wider spread would see the country locked down further.
During the COVID-19 briefing on Friday, Dr Lee also gave a short presentation about the early projections calculated by the authorities about the spread of the coronavirus in the Cayman Islands.
Dr Lee explained that efforts here to suppress the spread of COVID-19 have been very successful, which has resulted in very few people being hospitalised for the disease and only one death, compared to the projected 280 intensive care beds that would have been needed per 100,000 of the population if there had been an explosion of the disease. Under the worst case scenario, if no mitigation factors had been taken, the projection was for 910 deaths in Cayman.
But, he said, because of the suppression measures, the hospitals are not flooded with patients and are well able to cope with the number admitted and give them the best possible care.
However, there will be a possible resurgence of COVID-19 in October and November this year, and if the suppression measures are stopped now, the number of ICU beds that the models predict will be needed will jump back up to 280 per 100,000 people, and Cayman only has about 50, Dr Lee noted.
How to manage this expected resurgence of COVID-19 is being decided by governments all around the world. Dr Lee said the problem was “how do we prevent the bounce-back and the potential deaths and the potential hospital admissions” predicted. The best solution is a vaccine but that might be a year away, if it comes at all, he said, adding that immunity testing will probably come much sooner, although there are still problems right now.
However, Cayman’s population would still be vulnerable to a resurgence because most people have not built an immunity because they have not caught the disease. So for Cayman, the PCR testing which they are currently using remains the best option to get to a point where they can relax the suppression measures.
But Dr Lee warned that the disease is still hiding in the community and will re-emerge, so Cayman could be facing more lockdowns in the future to protect the community while we wait for the vaccine.
Premier Alden McLaughlin also focused on the problems of resurgence and opening up things too soon on Friday. Instead of his usual world-wide “grim reaper” report (which is available here and updated regularly), he read from a BBC news report about the resurgence of the virus in Hokkaido, Japan.
The authorities of the island had acted quickly and decisively in February to contain a serious outbreak of the virus. But following that success and having re-opened the community last month, less than four weeks later another state of emergency has now been imposed after cases have surged again. (See the full report here.)
McLaughlin said this was relevant for Cayman to consider. He also spoke about the need for testing to support the current strategy and any future opening of the economy, stressing yet again that “testing, testing, testing” was key. He suggested that construction might be one of the first areas that could return to work and pointed to a local labour supply already here that could be tested. But any phased opening was greatly dependent on that testing.
To date, Cayman has tested 702 people, 62 of whom have been positive, This is a similar level of testing per capita to the United States but is so far considerably lower than in countries like New Zealand, which the premier has often highlighted because of its low death rate.
See Friday’s full COVID-19 briefing below on CIGTV, set to start at Dr Lee’s presentation:
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Why do they have to stick a swab so far up your nose? Can’t they do an oral swab?
PLEASE!!!! Can we please start a petition to remove The Idiot Mr. Seymour from the panel???????!!!!!!!! He is completely uneducated, unprepared, uninformed and incompetent; inarticulate AND illiterate. Please Jesus hear our prayers and remove this idiot🤬
You’d be surprised just how many have the alternate view and take some comfort in his daily briefings. I know, most of the stuff seems irrelevant at best, but he’s clearly speaking to a lot of people and if it keeps them motivated and supportive, why not.
I wouldn’t say unprepared, he brought at least 10 pages of notes to the meeting.
@3:25 pm, surely you must be experiencing CoronaV stress sindrome. May I suggest that you take two Teaspoon of apple cider vinegar and a table spoon of castor oils drin that down followed by a stif shot of tequila. I guarantee you will have no time to mess with the Minister for Health The Hon Dwayne Seymour. Oh check your bathroom supplies after ingestion of the cocktail . Sayonara Bau!
I am a retired person over 70. I don’t have a pool and do not do household repairs or DIY.
How exactly is this so called quarantine working or trying to achieve? The object as far as I can tell is to stop the rapid spread of the virus. How? I go to the supermarket and whilst I see customers wearing face masks and social distancing staff are stand around in groups in close proximity with no protective gear. Police checking everyone’s ID but few police if any wearing masks to protect others. Empty beaches, but cyclists, joggers and walkers passing close to each other because of the crowded roads. Pool companies closed but two man teams, no protective gear, delivering bottled water, even though the water supply is safe to drink! The list goes on and on, so many exceptions that the ruled become the minority.
The virus is here in the world and is here to stay. Even Polio, although nearly eradicated still exists. So will Covd19 even if a vaccine is found. Is it anymore contagious than other viruses I wait to hear a so called experts opinion. Speaking of experts I notice they change their views to suit the latest information (a little like the people who forecast the hurricane season who are admittedly getting better at it). Let us review a few expert recommendations:
Stay 6 feet apart – however it is now known that the distance is woefully within the radius that the virus can be spread.
Masks should not be worn as they give a false sense of safety – now wearing masks is being recommended by many authorities.
Death toll in the USA estimated to be 100s of thousands – latest revision now 60,000
Authorities were panicking over the lack of ventilators – now some experts are telling us that the use of a ventilator may be lethal in some cases.
We don’t even know if the lockdown is slowing down the spread as we don’t know how many people have the virus! We didn’t learn from the isolation disaster onboard the cruise ships instead it appears that cases that might have recovered at home are taken to hospitals all of which become mini epicenters for the contagion. At the same time the really vulnerable in care homes are locked in together in what can only be described as Petri dish conditions for the virus.
I have had the flu, the real flu not what people these days call the flu! The fever, aches and pains, coughing and inability to breath are no fun to say the least, but I survived without going to hospital as most us did. And influenzas are still killing people worldwide, just not making headlines like Covid19.
I once heard a joke about a man visiting a doctor for a physical. The doctor asked if the man smoked, when he answered yes the doctor told him to give it up. The doctor asked him if he drank alcohol, again after he said yes the doctor told him to give it up. When asked if he still had regular sex he’s was also told to abstain in future. The man, somewhat disheartened asked if he did all those things would he live longer. NO said the doctor it would just seem a lot longer! We must be careful that all these experts don’t make the cure worse than the illness!
And before the grammar police start their criticism it could be that the content of this missive may be more important than its grammatical construction.
common sense comment. thank you.
I too am in my later years and feel lucky that I have never had flu symptoms bad enough to require hospitalization (knock on wood) so I am not too worried about this one. I have had a full life, travelled, raised a family, good career, so thanks government for trying to protect me but I would prefer to enjoy my freedom at this time in my life rather than be locked away for my own good. I am sure a lot of seniors feel the same way I do.
Wendy thank you for asking the hard and relevant questions that others are too intimidated or inept to ask.
Indeed. Thank goodness for Wendy! The others ask irrelevant questions.
Yes can we ask about the opening up. When, how and what.
Remove the curfew, open the businesses, open the airport, open the hotels. Wash your hands, wear your masks, don’t touch your face, test, trace, treat. And stay home if you are high risk.
We have no choice. It has to be done. The longer we wait, the worse things are going to be for everyone
Agree
Open the airport and hotels? For who? Tourists to come in? Are you flippin’ crazy? We get most of our tourists form the US, with the northeast providing the bulk. Do you have any clue what is going on there?
Why not start running an advert campaign called “Come and Bring Your COVID-19 to Cayman”…somehow I am sure you recognize how ill informed a suggestion that is. Back away from the keyboard and stop confirming your stupidity.
POSITIVE news alert!
Quite interesting to see how fast countries adapting to new way of life which includes testing for viruses and making shopping safer.
Israel launches new ‘contactless’ roadside covid-19 testing booths which have zero contact between nurse and patient
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8226793/amp/Israel-launches-new-contactless-roadside-covid-19-testing-booths.html
Israel is among the leading countries in the number of coronavirus tests per million population
> Publix implements plexiglass shields, other methods for store safety.
> Publix offers scan-to-pay (zero contact) in new loyalty program
The government should just fly in a team from South Korea to administer the tests. South Korea were reporting that they were testing at a rate of 100K per day. They should be able to test Cayman in a day (a week at the latest) decide who is positive, contact trace, isolate and open up the rest of the economy. Done and done.
Good idea. Get JonJon on it.
JonJon did make the call for help, but the only thing he could say in Korean was “Stay Home!”
It looks like we all need to wear masks and act like we all have it.
#nomaskforme
Then stay home.
Your fear does not dictate my actions.
Your actions will be dictated by law (don’t worry, it’s coming). Are you going to resist? If so, I hope selfishness will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.
Sorry about that – the logic is flawed in my previous post. 60 smugglers would get through with the “vaccine card”, but 40% or 24 of them would still be smugglers since they have counterfeit vaccine cards that are undetectable. Of the remaining 40 without cards, searches would only identify 30% or 18. So, 42 of the original 100 would get away.
ARE YOU WILLING TO TRUST YOUR HEALTH TO THIS STRATEGY? Or is it better to track down the at-risk elderly with two more co-morbidities, and help them take extra precautions?
This is wrong.
If everyone showed up with a vaccine card, since the vaccine is only 60% effective, 40 people might still carry the virus (be a smuggler).
If no-one showed up with a vaccine card, and were tested instead, then 30 people might still carry the virus (be a smuggler).
I don’t want to burst some people’s bubble here, as it seems they will just die of fright. However, it is important to tell the truth.
1. Testing is not 100% accurate. Let us say the test is 70% accurate as in the following article. That means that 30 out of 100 people slip through that have the virus. In medical parlance, these are called “false negatives”. If you are counting on testing picking up everyone, then it WILL not. Even if it were 95% effective, then five will slip through.
https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html
2. A vaccine is not 100% effective. The coronavirus vaccines to date have been 60% effective. What that means is that 40 out of 100 people will get the virus ANYWAY when in contact with an infected person (providing they don’t have their own immunity).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
It is as though we are trying to catch smugglers coming to the island with ganja. 40 of them would get away straight away by waving their “I am not a smuggler” vaccine card. Of the remaning 60, we would search them, but only find 39 (70%) of the actual smugglers.
Respectfully, I think you need to leave the telling of the “truth” to people who are more qualified to do so.
Let’s start with the fact that you call flu vaccines coronavirus vaccines. But in any case, on what basis can you draw a parallel from the flu vaccine to a coronavirus vaccine that hasn’t even been developed? There is only one strain of sars covid 2 so far. There are many different strains of the flu.
Sorry if I burst your bubble, but your conclusions are faulty.
Good Idea! While the government is taking the most drastic authoritarian steps in the history of the Cayman Islands and possible the most significant actions in your entire life, just trust in the “official” narrative. Don’t take any time to critically assess any of the objections, or even research the subject for yourself. The government, and their medical advisor couldn’t possibly be wrong.
I have been doing my own research. I do think the government has made some mistakes, yes. That doesn’t change the fact that the post I was responding to is also obviously wrong on its face. It’s one thing to criticize the government, but no one will take commentary seriously that purports to tell the truth when its blatantly incorrect.
You go on like my wife and I just tune her out – unless she says something sensible. But you – I am just going to tune out.
Are you JonJon’s math tutor?
I would like to know how many test kits Alden in his wisdom has decided Cayman needs? Other countries seem to be testing each positive case 3 times..looking for 2 negatives for recovery. Negative testers should be tested sporadically over time.
sell them all, but 5,000 before they go bad.
Schools till a Vaccine??
I don’t want my child to have no education for 2 or more years and before some of you spill the crap that they don’t want to go to funerals for children they have the least risk of all.
Other places are opening schools why can’t we?
The new (or “novel”) coronavirus is one of several known to infect humans. No coronavirus vaccine was ever made. My bet, and I am rarely wrong, there won’t be one for #19.
Coronavirus is Earth’s vaccine. We’re the virus.
Ah – the 19 stands for 2019 you idiot.
Imagine Mandatory vaccination law is enacted and half baked vaccine that skipped safety protocols is forced on people?
Agreed. Let the lemmings get their vaccines and let the rest of us die in peace. You are vaccinated, you are immune, so leave me alone!
Government needs to explain clearly Cayman’s capacity to test at this point and for the next month. Until CNS asked directly about testing, the public was not aware that Cayman does not have the ability to test more than 4,000 – 5,000 people now and the public were not aware that if we are going to test on a large scale, Cayman will require “organizational help on a grander scale”. ( Direct quote from Dr. Lee). How long will this help take to arrive and what exactly will this help be required to do? CNS, will you please enquire about this?
The public was under the impression that when the test kit’s arrived, testing on a large scale was imminent. Now we are being told that we do not have enough extraction kit’s to do mass testing but “hopefully” we will start to get them in weekly amounts.
We are all generally sympathetic to the plight that our government is in but the facts in relation to where we stand with the test kit’s must be explained in layman’s terms and we must know how the government plans to use these 4,000 – 5,000 kits to get our economy re-started as safely and quickly as possible.
Everyone wear masks.
And where are we supposed to get masks from?
The Halloween store
Pharmacies.
We’ve got to give some credit to lazy people. It’s not easy doing nothing!
We can’t test everyone. Impossible as we are very under prepared. We’ve got 200,000 lbs of ribeye and no way to cook it.
Read up, so many people have had covid19 and have zero symptoms. That means the death rate is wayyyy lower than predicted. So Alden throwing out any number of poSunken deaths is ignorance at its finest.
Open up some business so we can at least be ahead of the next economic crisis from the US printing cash.
Presumed*
Cayman’s economy has followed the US economy every time there was a recession. If the US economy is doomed because of it “printing cash” as you suggest, how in the world do you think Cayman could escape that by anything it does?
um, if people are working now instead of not working XXXX or Alden continues to let no contact service be stalled then no money is going into peoples pocket prior to the collapse. I would rather have $500 then $0.
Finally, a Democrat state representative tells her story about her recovery from CV-19.
Listen to her story. You will be shocked at how political and evil some people can be.
https://youtu.be/hIGpATKfeWY
I wouldn’t mind being stuck in my home if I could buy a few items to make some improvements. Or even just MAINTAIN it. I need soil, pots, paint, chemicals for my pool to keep it in running order… etc etc. why can’t we get these items in. Curbside pickup by appointment only? Makes no sense.
Since they have no way to do mass testing in the next 2 weeks we really need to start gaining access to certain items if you want to keep the general public at bay.
Didn’t Alden day that he would consider relaxing some things after we felt we were on top of this? Well, the 1 positive was said to be hope. The fact that our hospitals have 1 patient with covid admitted using also very hopeful.
So now we need answers and not the same lip service and huge assumptions on how many would die.
Hush na man! Go buy yourself a six pack and watch gardening on Youtube.
Are you so ignorant that you don’t want to think about the way everyone’s mental health is going to be affected by this? Simple little things like gardening, swimming, or even fixing a toilet can be therapeutic. Let’s stop being so divisive and start trying to make an plan so we can all enjoy this time as much as possible.
You can come fix my toilet if it brings you peace. The damn thing frustrates the crap out of me!
I think that’s what it’s supposed to do.
Not being mean, but why didn’t you see this coming and stock up long ago? It was clear in January to anyone who followed legitimate news sources that China was in crisis and the problem would eventually reach the Caribbean.
Couldn’t you have warned us via CNS? You would have been of great service to Cayman.
Yeah I looked at the scenes from Wuhan and realized immediately that I needed to stock up on DIY supplies and pool chemicals. Trouble is I spent all my cash on toilet paper first.
Are you serious? I’m too busy being stuck in traffic on island to worry about some virus that’s never going away.
It appears that In Cayman people’s with coronavirus are treated by members of public as criminals.
Meantime elsewhere:
“Kind words, compassionate words, the actual support of people daily hitting me up on messenger on Facebook texting me asking how I was doing, asking me if there’s anything they can do for me. I honestly just really believe I couldn’t have gotten through it without the support and this community,”
Why is it? What kind of bug has reset people’s brains to medieval age mentality?
The public has no clue who you are, so can’t possibly be treating you like a criminal.
You are quit wrong my dear. We are thrilled you are with us. You’re living proof that this virus can be beaten and that it’s not the mass killer some are making it out to be. And the irony is you are now way better off than those of us who’ve never had the virus and are still being locked up.
I would only query the time frame for testing everyone if we have over 100,000 test kits but only the ability to test 4-5,000 people because of the shortage of extraction kits. We were all overjoyed and optimistic over the procurement of test kits only to be told days later that we didn’t have the requisite amount of extraction kits in order to test everyone. This revelation is very disheartening.
Government at its best. They get full pay for incompetence while others loose their jobs.
Big paychecks too!
Be part of the solution and stop complaining.
we’ve given many suggestions to be a part of the solution… problem is… Alden won’t listen because his ego is blown up.
Be prepared to live like a prisoner for a few more months with no way to get a few things for your home so you could be making the most of this time.
Honestly tired of the way they have manipulate information to the public from the start. Just say what it is, we can only REALLY test 5,000 people and we knew this when we bought 200,000 test. Sorry Cayman but that big hero effort was for show and tell, … What happen was… We fked up.
We bought 200k box juices when we knew we only had 5k straws, now no one can sip their juice… 🙁 🙁 SMH
Like these press conferences are more like a realty TV show now. Wake up Cayman our government does NOT HAVE A REAL PLAN and we are going to be locked up until Christmas.
I appreciate that the sourcing problems are enormous but it takes a lot of the shine off the bragging of 200,000 test kits to now learn that these did not include the RNA extraction materials to prepare the samples for pcr. Govt may think it is managing expectations, buying time, or tamping down dissent but all it really does is create distrust.
That’s an understatement. We are winging this. They lock us up but release prisoners. That’s hush, hush though.
A strategy i think could work:
We should lockdown for 2 weeks or however long itll takes to test all households on island for the virus & whenever this is done each person is issued a card or risk band with the date they have been tested. Persons who are postive should present this at road block & those who are negative should IMMEDIATELY be quarantined & FINED!!! This would allow us to get back to some sort of normalization on our island.
The global problem is that there are no perfect universal tests. PCR tests tell if you have it now, even without knowing. Corona IgM tests show if you have elevated response antibodies to a variety of Coronaviruses (including over a dozen non Covid-19). Covid-19 IgG test if you have already had that specific strain and retain some kind of immunity (for now). Ideally a vaccine would get 30-40% of non-infected into the IgG category by the end of 2021 (per Bill Gates). Everyone says test test test, but we can’t action that plan if the kit and capacity doesn’t yet exist.
And we dont know yet if relapses are possible.
Quantine the negarive and fine them. Quanrine yourself. You have covid 19 because you have a high fever and confused.
What the hell is wrong with you? You cannot even string a couple of coherent sentences together. Perhaps you should pay more attention to your child’s homeschool?
Let me guess: You went to a government school in Cayman, right?
Thank you all for your hard work during difficult times and hope your efforts to secure enough test kits are not in vain because you can’t get enough extraction kits in order to test all of us. I guess I have no choice but to wish you the very best of luck, for everyone’s sake. There seem to be a lot of crystal balls being used to justify the extreme measures government is going to in order to suppress a virus that has mostly affected returning travelers and their close contacts. The government is obviously invested so we must therefore be able to test a large portion of the population as it is widely believed that is the best thing to do when seriously considering opening up the local economy. At this point I am losing all hope that is going to happen as at present we only have the ability to test 4-5,000.
i did the test..thank god it was negative..but man…they they put a q-tip the size of your lil finger through nostril to back of throat?? aint no walk in park….😉😅 …maybe they have a less invasive way now..like a swab of inside mouth?
Holy crap. Ouch. My friends was a mouth swab in the US.
so? are you negative or positive?
Try reading- “ thank god it was negative” is a bit of a clue
I am more of a glass half empty kind of guy.
You that was not a q-tip swab in your mouth.
There will not be a resurgence of Covid19 in Cayman in October if we comply with ongoing social distancing (total gamechanger in all the predictions) and continue with a really soft, some might say flaccid, curfew…..Dr Lee is a good man, that is obvious. But what is also obvious is he scared the absolute total sh*t out of the government with his graphs and worst case projections in March….and that’s ok too….they have done fantastic up and until recently, the beach closure is the wrong move….everything else, really amazing, well done to all…but we cannot continue like this…economy must reopen, and we cannot have a resurgence of something that hasn’t really been here to start with!
Social Distancing – who knew we would all bend down and take it and comply (99% anyhow), and this has made Dr Lee’s worst case fears redundant….and if we continue, there will be no resurgence
As long as we do not allow cruise passengers back, we will be relatively fine. We can open the airports as long as every single visitor/returning resident agrees to go into gov controlled quarantine for the 14 days and tests out negative…fine.
Please open the economy, sensibly of course….why cannot every single retail store for example open back up, but only allow 1 customer at a time? They dont have to have all their staff working at same time either, bring them in alternate days
Offices – operate by department, or alphabet…and space out desks
Nobody wants to be close to anyone anyhow so nobody will be sad to be told they can’t sit on the GM’s lap this week
Real estate – how hard is it to show a home if a realtor provides gloves and masks? Maybe not Open Homes, but 1 time showings? Come on
and so on…ALT? Why is that closed? Do the same as supermarkets.
unfortunately restaurants/bars/cinema/schools can’t reopen anytime soon, probbaly until vaccine but let’s worry about that later…and BTW, the schools, shame on you for charging full whack for private teaching, you are not providing a full service..all businesses are cutting back and helping out, the schools are far from paragons of untouchable virtue…if youve had a rent reduction or whatever, give it back to your families..they are a community, not a client
The beach? For F*ck Sake..open the beachs, and arrest anyone who is sitting or sunbathing..simple. But let us walk, jog, swim, fish…again, nobody wants to be close to anyone, we can avoid eachother
This virus should not kill us indirectly via the economy. Dr Lee was right to scare Alden. But now Alden needs to be scared by his finance minister.
There is obvious compromise, lets do it…stay home cayman as long as we have to, the government are going great overall, but its time to start giving us a plan to move forward in coming weeks
I mean, ALT has cleaning supplies. And supplies so I can fix my leaky toilet.
Pool store has chemicals for our pools. Even if we can’t swim in them, there should be no reason we can’t maintain them.
“.why cannot every single retail store for example open back up, but only allow 1 customer at a time?”
Because every shop from midtown to camana bay will have a line in front of it down to Prospect
Let’s just start with their CUC bill.
Since we hear selectively about Japan, how about an analysis of Sweden, which has no lockdown and 1400 deaths, (which is right in the middle of the European distribution)? What kind of a scientist selectively chooses data to fit their hypothesis?
Possible conclusions:
1. The Swedish are supermen, and unaffected by this pathethic corona-virus. Lucky them!
2. They don’t have the same virus – we have the tough variant but they have the wimpy one. But since the Swedes are using the same tests as the rest of the world, then all the tests are inconclusive.
3. The virus doesn’t like the cold. But the temperature in Stockholm is 46 degrees, and in New York is 42 degrees.
4. The Swedes are like the Borg and all move in lockstep, and never are closer than six feet away from each other. But we see photos of people in restaurants, or on park steps where they are not.
5.The lockdown is completely unnecessary.
While hysterical leaders might be able to ignore Sweden for now, Historical Analysis will cast a critical eye on this “pandemic” and is not going to miss the fact that the results in Sweden were the same or better than everywhere else without introducing devastating economic hardship.
Could be the actually understand statistics. And thus choose to lead not follow.
Sweden has one of the world’s highest death rates from Covid-19.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04
It appears that their model was/is a failed experiment and now they are trying to walk it back. Is that what you want for Cayman?
Sweden’s deaths per capita figure is considerably lower than Switzerland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, France, Italy, Spain and Belgium. And its cases per capita figure (1,309 per million) is virtually identical to Norway’s (1,280) and Denmark’s (1,221). Together the Scandinavian nations are faring better than any Western European country.
1:03 pm is correct. At at today, the death rate in Sweden, at 152 per million, is among those on the higher end. Compare US with 122 deaths per million.
Sweden had to reverse its laissez-faire posture:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
If they haven’t closed down why are they on the higher end and not the absolute pinnacle? That’s the whole point of the debate! They should be on par with the original dire projections. Ours was 1,000.
That’s because they have barcodes on their ships.
And they make great meatballs and speak with a lilt.
Can we hear from someone in our community who’s had the virus? Perhaps we’d be better able to relate. Don’t need a name.
I, my wife and toddler suffered for 4 weeks before it was known to be CoVID-19.
I had a suspicion that my family was infected and we all distanced for 6 weeks, approximately 2 months before Cayman’s lockdown. I had travelled to infected areas before they were locked down.
It was a hellish experience, particularly not knowing what the “persistent flu” was.
There are probably other experiences out there but persons may be scared to come forward.
Thank you.
Can you confirm how you know you had it then?
Got tested
Wait, two months before the lockdown, 6 weeks of of distancing and 4 weeks of suffering..? I realize that some of these time frames overlap but when did you travel (date) and when did you first start noticing symptoms? (date). I’m only curious not trying to criticize or accuse. Just trying to understand the timeline of the infection. Our curfew milestones come in 2 week increments which don’t seem to make sense based on your account.
So we’re not immune because we haven’t had the virus. Take a test and it’s negative but still not immune. Solution, more lock downs.
We’ve never used the following against the flu. Mandatory distancing, masks, gloves and sanitizer in pocket / purse. Perhaps a more realistic way to fight this virus.
Don’t forget the supermarket workers and those still working at restaurants. For that matter any one still going to work physically should be tested before rolling out testing to general public. And continue lockdown till every single person has been tested.
I can’t wait 5 more months locked up
Please expand on this comment.
I haven’t heard the Premier highlight this – New Zealand’s prime minister has said she and other ministers will take a 20% pay cut lasting six months to show solidarity with those affected by the coronavirus outbreak, as the death toll continues to rise.
Pension law changes should include a variance so that those collecting pension AND salary after retirement age have to pick one or the other. Not both.
Why not cut salaries across all sectors -public, private, civil society- and deposit the money to a more substantive “emergency/resilience fund”.
All deposits would be accounted for by name
These salary cuts would last for 2 years.
Because we know lazy people don’t work. Now you want a % of someone else salary.
Hmnnnn…
9:05am did write “all deposits would be accounted for by name”.
How would “lazy people” … want (and get) a % of someone else salary”?
If that were the case I would retire immediately and let others support me with their hard earned salaries. And I am sure thousands of others would do the same. Is that what you want?
We need to test all essential workers first.
Starting with health care workers, which needs to include dental hygienists. Then police, firemen, CIAA staff, MLAs and their drivers (as applicable).
Second, test all registered children in all public and private schools. Test all teachers and faculty.
If testing is mandatory to return to school parents will comply and have their children tested.
Come on cayman, let’s all put some ideas out there to help. They need us, and they will appreciate the positive feedback.
Way to go, Dr Lee!
By the way, for those of us pushing for economic liberalization, here is some info from the web on the 1918 pandemic:
“In the United States, cities that committed earlier, longer and more aggressively to social distancing interventions, not only saved lives, but also emerged economically stronger than those that didn’t.”
Please tell that to Trump, somebody.
But it is useful for us also to know that.
We have got to hold on as long as necessary to these interventions—for our own present wellbeing as well as the short-term and longer-term economic strengths of present and future generations.
Let’s not forget the people that work in grocery stores and collect our garbage.
Making testing mandatory for returning to school is useless, they’ll get tested, go home and potentially contract the virus, and then spread the virus that way. Schools should remain closed. I do agree that ideas and positive reinforcement is needed though, I thought they should run the tests the same way they do the census. Door to door, taking numbers and emails to send the results, or to let any infected people know to stay isolated. I’m sure they’re some holes in this suggestion, but I do think it’ll eliminate the inevitable excuses like “I don’t have any gas” or for people who don’t have vehicles to still get tested. Also, they really seem to have an issue with traffic as it is, I can’t imagine the thousands of people with the sniffles rushing out to get tested. Even if they did it based on the last name system, it’ll still be chaos.
Test them with what?
I want mine scheduled at Popeyes
Get your cholesterol test at the same time
That would be killing three birds with one stone.
Greasy swab slide right up my nose hole Bobo