CMA: No fault divorce will devalue marriage

| 28/05/2018 | 109 Comments

Cayman News Service(CNS): The Cayman Ministers Association has posted a draft response to a collection of proposed legislation dealing with family life and marriage which, if enacted, would introduce the concept of no fault divorce. But the church ministers are objecting to the idea of removing blame and have said that the proposed legislation would “inadvertently but inevitably” devalue the institution of marriage. “The ‘simpler’ divorce becomes, the more trivial will this community’s view of marriage become,” the influential church leaders said. They have also objected to any recognition of common law marriage.

Expecting further negative social results, the ministers said there “has to be a moral base, a sense of right and wrong upon which the stability of family life, the law and the cohesion of society depend”, adding that this was an unjustified push by legislators towards “no fault” solutions.

The CMA said it was not implying that there should not be any reforms of the laws that deal with “these difficult issues”, and offered their support of the counselling facilities that are proposed. “However, the CMA continues to insist that to try to facilitate the principle of no principle can never be the way to benefit individuals or the society,” the ministers said.

The church is also objecting to the introduction of a common law principle, where couples who have never been formally married but who have lived together for more than five years can acquire rights similar to married couples. The minister said the couples who do not to consent to a “covenantal relationship” but choose to live together without obligation to one another cannot be considered the same as those who are married.

Although these proposed changes to a number of pieces of legislation do not contemplate introducing same-sex marriage, the CMA, which is vehemently opposed to any formal recognition of rights for same-sex couples, also accused government of trying to introduce same-sex marriage “surreptitiously …by the back door”.

The ministers believe that the legislative proposals could provide for same-sex marriage under the potential changes to the legislation to recognise lawful marriages made outside Cayman, excluding  polygamous ones. The church leaders suggest that while the marriage bill’s definition of spouses is of different sexes, the bill paves the way to recognise same-sex unions here that have been conducted lawfully elsewhere.

The objections from the church will not come as a surprise to officials or politicians in the Cayman Islands, and their opposition to the changes remain similar to the opposition made back in 2011, the last time government attempted to modernize the legislation relating to family relationships, marriage and divorce. The church was influential in derailing those last efforts and the CMA could once again undermine hopes for a much less acrimonious approach to divorce.

The comments from CMA come after a petition was launched in April objecting to the changes, which has been signed by 1,145 people.

See the CMA’s submissions to the Law Reform Commission

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  1. Jeff Morgan says:

    The unilateral, no-fault divorce experiment created havoc in Russia under the Bolsheviks, who were trying to destroy the family. The “divorce-on-demand” culture has needlessly destroyed millions of families and children in the US.

    In between 75-80 percent of the no-fault divorces, the lawsuit is filed against a spouse who does not want a divorce. It is a forced divorce, for any reason, or no reason at all. Reluctantly divorced spouses deprived of rights and due process protections, have their legal status forcefully changed from married to single, lose their assets and daily access to their children. States make federal incentive dollars through imposing and collecting child support, and they can end up in jail for contempt of court if they lose a job. Children have their family broken, lose the protection and love of both parents, and often experience depression or engage in anti-social behavior due to the divorce, yet they are forced to be pretend everything is okay–often due to the actions of a single selfish parent. Study after study has indicated the negative affects divorce has on children of all ages in the short, medium, and long terms. Who likes unilateral, no-fault divorce? Attorneys. They make a boatload of money will impoverishing their clients.

    Unilateral, no-fault divorce has been a disaster in the US, which is why some citizens are organizing and working toward its repeal. Please, do not walk down this path.

    Bravo to the ministers for standing up against it! Stand firm, and stand strong!

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m divorced, my child still has the benefit of my love and protection even though he lives with his mother. Also my parents divorced when I was a child and guess what? I got over it, my parents were there when I needed them, always checking and double checking I was really ok. It’s up to the parents to help the child through what is a tumultuous time for the child. If they don’t I’d blame the parents lack of commitment to the child and not the divorce. I was more traumatized by my parents fighting than the divorce.

      I pay child support in the US and I don’t see how they make money on it. Every dollar I give ends up in my ex’s account so that argument is flawed. Only way the state makes money on that is imposing fines on deadbeat parents.

      As for losing rights and protections? My lawyer and I went toe to toe on every detail of the divorce in regards to assets due to her wanting pretty much all we worked for and most of what I had prior, which she didn’t get. If you don’t fight for it with a lawyer that can really help you, then you will lose it so that argument is flawed.

      Of course status goes from married to single during a divorce, forced or not. That comment doesn’t make sense and the only major thing in the US affected by that status change is the amount of taxes you pay and insurance fees (to a degree) so that statement is almost pointless.

      “often experience depression or engage in anti-social behavior due to the divorce, yet they are forced to be pretend everything is okay–often due to the actions of a single selfish parent” – Again lack of commitment to the child, that is the parent not the divorce.

      “Who likes unilateral, no-fault divorce? Attorneys. They make a boatload of money will impoverishing their clients.” – Funny thing, my brother got divorced, his ex decided she didn’t want to be in the marriage anymore, and reluctantly he went through it but they did it themselves and not one penny went to a lawyer. He has a daughter and he admits a lawyer would have made it easier but they still managed to hash it out amicably.

      I feel if couples:

      a) understood marriage to begin with and what they are getting into.
      b) understood WHO they were marrying to begin with.
      c) really wanted to be with that person. (up to debate of course)
      d) didn’t see it as a convenient thing to do.
      e) be faithful and treated each other with respect and kindness.

      They wouldn’t have to go through a divorce and if all else fails and it really isn’t working, abusive, or beyond saving after trying then they should be allowed to divorce.

  2. Get a Brain says:

    Seriously, Go fly a kite! Church and State!
    Don’t you people have something better to do!

  3. Anonymous says:

    I’ll tell you what REALLY undermines the institution of marriage is tying it to all that outdated religious mumbo-jumbo.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Marriage is the leading cause of divorce. Also, can we see who the beneficial owners of these churches are?

  5. Anonymous says:

    “The minister said the couples who do not to consent to a “covenantal relationship” but choose to live together without obligation to one another cannot be considered the same as those who are married.”

    This is so stupid. How come you live with someone for more than 5 years, and you are not considered married???? A damn signed paper won’t make a difference. You are together sharing everything, the good and the bad in your life.

    Seriously, go take care of more important things like teenagers moms, drug using, youth gangs, hunger, education, domestic violence….

    Do you think GOD want to see you living a miserable life because you can’t divorce?

    • Anonymous says:

      You seem really hurt by the facts! Maybe you should ask yourself this question, “why is my man living with me for 5 plus years and not a ring on my finger”

      • RICK says:

        I think it’s the other way around as to why are you living with him

      • Anonymous says:

        Because he understands diamonds are really worthless pieces of compressed coal and doesn’t want to give in to your man-made notions that a coveted hunk of carbon will magically make it so much better.

        Also if he is living with you for 5 years, the fact that he is there day in and day out, thick and thin doesn’t show commitment? Or are you just worried he may get tired of your BS and walk away.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Your Bible says: Malachi 2
    “O priests, this commandment is for you.
    If you will not hear, if you will not take it to heart To give glory to My name,”
    Says the Lord, “I will send a curse upon you,
    And I will curse your blessings.
    Yes, I have cursed them already,
    Because you do not take it to heart.
    “ I will rebuke your descendants…
    “You have departed from the way;
    You have caused many to stumble at the law”..
    Says the Lord of hosts.
    “I also have made you contemptible and base
    Before all the people, because you have not kept My ways
    But have shown partiality in the law.”
    …The Lord has been witness
    Between you and the wife of your youth,
    With whom you have dealt treacherously;
    she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
    He made them one, having a remnant of the Spirit
    And why one? He seeks godly offspring.
    Therefore take heed to your spirit,
    And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth. “the Lord God of Israel says
    That He hates divorce,
    For it covers one’s garment with violence,”
    “Therefore take heed to your spirit,
    That you do not deal treacherously.”
    You have wearied the Lord with your words;..
    “Everyone who does evil
    Is good…Where is the God of justice?”

  7. Anonymous says:

    Okay CMA.

    This is for you, from the Bible (KJV):

    Deuteronomy Chapter 24: 1-5

    1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

    2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s [wife].

    3 And [if] the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth [it] in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her [to be] his wife;

    4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that [is] abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.

    5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: [but] he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

    ***Taking all of that into account….what do you say now Christian folk?

    • Anonymous says:

      For crying out loud, whats your point ? ?

      • Anonymous says:

        He’s saying the bible says it is okay to divorce but the problem is, the bible also says you shouldn’t like @9:10 posts. This is why the church should leave divorce to the Civil Court because the churches can’t get their shyte straight.

    • Anonymous says:

      For crying out loud, what bible is this???!?!?!!!
      Oh. King James version. Right. The book of laws according to A-holes. I wouldn’t have lasted back in those days.
      And now we know why I am not religious.
      Signed
      The Unclean One.

      • Anonymous says:

        Sorry you don’t comprehend it.

        Hope you seek Jesus Christ before it’s too late.

        Signed: Humble one.

        • Anonymous says:

          I hope you learn that having a caring moral compass does not require a belief in propositions contrary to basic science.

          Signed: someone living in this century, not in 100AD.

  8. Serious times says:

    Divorce does not just affect the couples join in Marriage but the families united throught it. Children loved ones and the way social unity within the community. We have to take this matter more seriously when looking this. Be careful what you change this can effect your futures to come.

    • Anonymous says:

      Like abusive marriages don’t do that now? CMAbot has been reactivated.

      • Anonymous says:

        I would think if a party is abusive then there will be someone at fault in the divorce proceedings so seeking a divorce under those conditions is not the issue being covered in the CMAs response.

        • Anonymous says:

          So what if two people simply grow apart from each other, no abuse or anything. The love is just no longer there. You go from married couple to legally bonded room mates and lose the chance of maybe finding permanent happiness?

    • P&L says:

      As devastating as divorce can be for the children it can be even more devastating for children to live with two parents who hate each other and argue all of the time… and what about domestic abuse? Stay then too? You can’t legislate everything into compliance. If you really care and want to help the community… take a look at the quality of people’s lives right now. The stress. The debt. The fear. The health issues. It’s hard out here!

      If people can divorce for irreconcilable differences which is very wide and liberal what really is the difference? Maybe it keeps people’s business out of court papers… hmmm. If two people no longer wish to be married what in the world do you think you can do about that??? There are other ways to support the community you care about other than forcing people to stay married. Geeze.

  9. Anonymous says:

    The institution of marriage was devalued a long time ago by the gyno-judicial system. There is absolutely nothing of value in a marriage for a man and men should stay away from marriage at all costs.

    When a man can be ordered by a judge to pay child support for a child that has been proven to not be his using DNA evidence then that says all that needs to be said.

    • Dan Man says:

      The father of the child should pay! But the primary reason for Courts to be in marriage is for the DEFENCE OF CHILDREN. Because they are unable to defend themselves in marital or adult situations, they need a voice. And that is why the Courts have laws to ensure their rights are protected. For example, the Maintenance Law. You have even have mothers that don’t want to maintain their children! What do you do? Say the Courts should just stay out of it?! Well that wouldn’t be justice for children! Likewise, if a man marries a woman with a child thats not his, but over a number of years fathered the child, and the child (who permanently resides here) sees him as a father, role model, and a financial support … should not the Courts see to it that it continues until the child has reached a matured age? For the proper psychological development of children, which effects society and reduce crime, I say the Courts has responsibility of taking care of children when no one is doing it …

      The hard pill or lesson in this: Men need to grow up and be responsible too. STOP DEALING WITH BABY MAMAS! At least deal with a woman that has a teenager or young adult. Leave the young girls with babies to deal with their own karmas! Why would you want to be responsible for what another man started???

      And if the Courts get at your case, you cry and whine like a girl. Grow up! You are responsible! You went after the lady for her looks! And then she just ended up using you, you fool! ?

      • Anonymous says:

        You’re missing the point Dan Man, he’s saying even though the child is DNA proven to NOT be his child he was still made responsible. That is wrong. If he knocked her up then absolutely he should pay.

        • Anonymous says:

          In order to pay child support, the Judge will ask if the child is his. If he says yes that’s his fault. He could request a dna test.

    • Anonymous says:

      Marriage is an institution alright… so is Alcatraz and mental hospitals.

      • Anonymous says:

        Remember the 3 rings of Marriage..

        1. The engagement ring
        2. The wedding ring
        3. The suffering.

  10. anonymous says:

    Hard to believe that in this day and age a country that retains “fault” divorce exists! It’s hilarious.

  11. Anonymous says:

    A marriage license should expire after a few years like a driver’s license. Say 3 or 5 years. If either person doesn’t want to renew, it doesn’t get renewed. No more divorce and no more people trapped in a marriage they don’t want. The only people who would be sad would be the divorce lawyers.

  12. Andrea says:

    Ahhhh 802….dont forget that a woman in an Islamic country cannot get a male doctor.
    They cannot get a loan.
    Forget rights.
    It is endless.
    Black bags suck but you have to cover up and is tidley shit you can do about it. No driving? It would not be for me.
    Cherish your freedom as it is not free bo bo.

  13. Anonymous says:

    I’ve sung it once and I’ll sing it again. Marriage is a civil institution. The wedding ceremony may be religious but the marriage is what is recognized by the government. Religious congregations have the right to determine the criteria for their own members but do not have the right to dictate those same terms on society as a whole. If I am a member of X church and they’ve decreed that as a member I am not permitted to divorce my spouse (or at the very least that it’s against the teachings of the church) then I have the option of either staying with my spouse and with that church, or divorcing my spouse and leaving X church.

    The problem with many churches (and I’ll extend this to religious institutions in general) is that they have failed to address the needs of modern society. This is one reason why more and more people leave the church; generally, the churches want to hold 21st century society to 15th century (and earlier) doctrine and it just doesn’t work. And so, because the churches can’t do anything else, they ratchet up their noise and complaints and oppose anything that even remotely threatens one or two of their doctrines. What they fail to realize is, the more noise make, the more people they drive away.

    Just my two cents worth…

    • Anonymous says:

      Of course it is a civil, legal, matter. Religion has a separate role and that depends on which of the various flavors of religion you chose to prefer, if you are the sort that needs that sort of thing.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Underage girls having babies. Drug use rising. Young men joining gangs and embracing the gangsta lifestyle. Some elderly Caymanians having difficulty putting food on the table. Kids coming out of school with no literary skills what so ever. Domestic violence and child neglect occurring regularly.

    And yet the church focuses its time and effort on no fault divorce! Kinda makes you wonder if this is just all about money and control. Nah, the church wouldn’t be self consumed by greed and power would it?

    • Anonymous says:

      perhaps if adults were mature and took marriage seriously, those problems wouldn’t be as bad… feminism destroys family values, and once that is destroyed, everything else gets worse from there…

      • Anonymous says:

        So by your logic feminism is the root cause of druggies, thieves, gangsters, hunger, illiteracy, incest and domestic violence. You are obviously a Mensa member.

      • Anonymous says:

        Eff off. You keep posting misogynistic crap all over CNS and it’s really pissing me off. You’re afraid of strong females cause your mom was weak and your father or whatever man in your life talked down to women. Grow up.

      • Anonymous says:

        Feminism doesn’t destroy family values.. it destroys men.. get it right.

    • Anonymous says:

      All I will say is what they say in church and that’s AMEN!!! Your comment is on point!!!! ?

  15. anonymous says:

    Everything is relative, so my marriage can’t be “good” unless there are many other marriages where the two people are suffering. That seems to be the basis for the CMA position. However, I’m please to see that despite this red herring divorce issue the CMA remain vigilant to their main cause of preventing anything from coming in the “back door”.

  16. Anonymous says:

    When they give some evidence for their sky fairy, I’ll listen.

    • KY-1 says:

      What an ignorant comment! No matter what a person believes or no belief, there are valid points that should be address concerning this issue,

      And all like you have time for, is to stir up irreligious comments that promotes your dumb beliefs and waste space on Cns for sensible comments. Please stop repeating the same sky fairy comments. Its annoying !

      And dont tell me your trying to portray here a false status quo in Cayman??? Good Luck! Cause I know alot of Caymanians who oppose this law, and are not getting in religious debates! ?

      • Anonymous says:

        Free speech, buddy, you say God, creator of the universe, I say sky fairy made up as part of a bronze age anthropological construct to explain, badly, scientific phenomena, and to impose moral and societal control. If my beliefs are “dumb” then you would be able to provide the evidence why your model is more than a glorified fairy story. Until then, I do not see what right the fairy story peddlers have to impose their views on my life.

        • Anonymous says:

          You are truly ignorant, the sky fairy didn’t do diddle, I am a devout Pastafarian and I can say with truth and honesty it was our Lord and Savior the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his noodley appendages that created the universe.

          I invite you to read up on us and embrace the sauciness of life my friends.
          https://www.venganza.org/

    • Anonymous says:

      What a rude and insensitive comment. I hope that same said sky fairy strikes you with lighting.

      • Anonymous says:

        That would be the old school nasty sky fairy, rather than newer cuddlier sky fairy in the sequel. I suppose since the sky fairy sent bears out to kill 40 kids for calling someone bald I should be quaking in my boots.

    • Anonymous says:

      And I will listen when you prove the non existence of God. Ever wondered why it is called ‘faith’

      • Anonymous says:

        Faith doesn’t prove God’s existence moron, faith is believing that something is real whether or not it is. Maybe the argument should be not him proving the non-existence of God but YOU proving the existence of God and not by quoting 1000+ year old texts written by 3rd parties years after the event happened. Technically that is hearsay.

      • Anonymous says:

        Cause faith help you deny science.

        • Anonymous says:

          So faith wants you to deny fact and keep you ignorant to actual proven truth.. Yep, that’s religion alright, that’s how they have kept power since the first medicine man wore a bear pelt and wobbled around on all fours pretending to be suka boya boogy boogy the mouse god.

  17. Anonymous says:

    Religion should play NO part in divorce. I watched my mother while I was growing up get the crap pounded out of her by my A-hole father and when she talked about it to our pastor, that self righteous bible thumper made my mother feel like crap to the point she felt ashamed for wanting out. I had to intervene when I was older and stronger to force my father to leave us alone and told my mother’s pastor to go F himself. Most of the CMA are hypocrits, they would prefer a spouse stay in an abusive relationship than get out and try to salvage what little life and dignity they have left. They say divorce is an affront to God but the God I know is one of peace and if he has an issue with breaking up that type of marriage then he is NO God of mine anymore.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Pride you took
    Pride you feel
    Pride that you felt when you’d kneel

    Not the word
    Not the love
    Not what you thought from above

    It feeds
    It grows
    It clouds all that you will know
    Deceit
    Deceive
    Decide just what you believe

    I see faith in your eyes
    Never you hear the discouraging lies
    I hear faith in your cries
    Broken is the promise, betrayal
    The healing hand held back by the deepened nail

    Follow the god that failed

  19. Anonymous says:

    Some churches here control the pedo ring. It’s utterly disgusting and when it comes to light you all will burn in your hell.

    • Anonymous says:

      If you truly know about churches controlling pedo rings in Cayman, then your efforts should be applied to making a police report and not just typing away on CNS comments.

    • Anonymous says:

      Thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Some churches here are just bank rolls for their “devout” pastors and ministers. It’s amazing how many “men of God” here I see driving $60,000+ BMW’s. I over heard one comment on the $1,000 suit he was wearing to a friend of his once. Makes me sick. People are struggling and giving money to the church every Sunday and these 2 faced hypocrites living large. I guess when you have role models of the likes of Joel Olstein you can’t expect too much. Didn’t fully realize how having a church was such a lucrative business.

  20. Anonymous says:

    Well the CMA can counsel those of their flock that believe in the sky fairy stories for whom their views may have some legitimacy. Me, I’ll pass, when I flew to Miami we didn’t crash through the firmament, and I realized it was all hocus-pocus.,

  21. Anonymous says:

    Simple fix… make it harder to get married and easy to get divorced. That would be more useful than the way it is now. Save people from their own foolishness; only those who are truly committed would get married so there wouldn’t be too much concern for divorce.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Because people’s lives are made more joyous by either staying in a loveless marriage or having an expensive and traumatic courtroom battle rather than just accepting the situation and moving on? Thanks CMA – adding to the sum of human happiness as usual. You should be ashamed of yourselves…if you had any shame.

  23. Anonymous says:

    It’s often similar pressures from the church that causes people to stay in toxic unhealthy marriages until one party, or in some cases innocent children, get seriously hurt.

    Please stay out of the private affairs of grown adults.

  24. Anonymous says:

    What a bunch of $&@$@&.

    Pass the legislation now!!!

  25. Anonymous says:

    Yet CMA Ministers have no issue conducting non Christian marriages for a fee. Under the law only Civil Registrars are marriage officers not affiliated to a religious order….and we only have one Civil Registrar on Island. Most marriages on Island are however conducted in the beach etc by CMA Ministers.

  26. Anonymous says:

    Everyone’s situation may be different but by the time I filed for divorce, the marriage was long over. It was the healthiest decision for me and my family. To then have to re-hash the details (for the nosey court staff who just screen shot and pass around your sensitive business anyways) only for them to become contentious all over again is not helpful.

  27. Anonymous says:

    What’s the difference between caymanian christianity and Islam. There isn’t. They are both fundamentalists forcing there believes upon others.
    Disgusting.

    • Surpreme Atheist says:

      You can draw Jesus and not worry about being blown up.

    • Anonymous says:

      What a dumb a$$ thing to say. Here’s a difference or two… Christianity went through Reformation, Islam has not. You can, as the previous person wrote, draw a picture of Jesus without having fear of being murdered. You can criticize Jesus without fear of being murdered. You can live life as a homosexual without being thrown off a cliff. You, if you so happen to be female, can drive, or leave your house without having to be “accompanied” by a male relative. You can dress “immodestly” (ie. in shorts, or skirts above your knees) if you so chose to. You have a choice of which church you want to attend, without fear of being bombed, or burned out. Want some more examples? No-fault-divorce is very different from being raped and then being stoned to death for having had an “affair” outside of marriage.

      • Mono says:

        Yea I see the difference alright:

        Islam extremist can kill you in a second!

        But Christian pastors, priests, and teleevangelists calling on Jesus name, kill you SLOWLY.

        They manipulate people and take their monies, and pschologically use them!

        • Anonymous says:

          Ok Einstein, yeah, they killin you “SLOWLY”. You’re too bright to argue with, so peace out bro. Keep your “monies” away from those televangelists cause any dummy with a Year 1 education could tell you that it’s a rip off. If you haven’t figured that out by now perhaps you deserve to live in Afghanistan, where I am sure you’ll have a much better and safer life, though they’d be killin you a bit FASTER there.

  28. Anonymous says:

    Who died and made them God?

  29. Anonymous says:

    The church is exercising its right to object, it doesn’t mean it will prevent it. What is the big deal?

  30. Anonymous says:

    How these men have time to address what they think is wider societal problems when they cant address the filth within their little churches? you pastors need to focus on keeping that mental chain around the sheep you currently have because that offering plate is only going to keep shrinking.

  31. Elvis says:

    These grounds would save a lot of time and money, some people really don’t know they can’t live together until they actually have,
    Ask me I’m walking evidence,

  32. Roger Eden says:

    Yeah but amm.. Religious freedom is also in our constitution and not every born and raised Caymanian is or needs to be Christian. Neither should we be forced to subscribe to their teachings/views on Life.

    I was raised in a Christian church and left shortly after becoming an adult and having a better understanding of the world as I know it. Is that my constitutional choice to or the CMA’s authority to prevent? My good morals haven’t changed, just my opinions.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Thank you CMA for reminding the majority of us who are free thinkers just how irrelevant you are to a modern Cayman Islands. It’s really mind-blowing that discrimination, and its sidekick – ignorance, are a doctrine of your propaganda. Grow up!

  34. Anonymous says:

    Divorce is such a destructive event.
    It creates emotional scars that run so deep.
    The victims become the perpetrators and so the cycle continues.

    I speak from experience on both sides.

    The truth of the matter is that marriage is a representation of the Godhead.

    The Father has been married to the Spirit in total perfection for ever. Perfection has always existed.

    Out of their perfect union, the Son (Jesus) has always existed. Since it is not good for the man to be alone, the Son needed a bride. This is where we come in.

    To the blind and deaf, these words are not for you, but to those who see and hear, preserve what you have, love your spouses, nurture your children in love and truth and prepare for the day in which we will be perfected.

    Peace and love to you all.

    • Anonymous says:

      1. no one is perfect

      2. “Since it is not good for the man to be alone, the Son needed a bride. This is where we come in.”

      I thought you opposed gay marriage?

    • Anonymous says:

      Love your spouses and nurture your children but supposed your spouse doesn’t love you back or shows their love and nurturing nature with fists? By you’re account they must stay and risk dying? You are f**king deluded.

    • Mono says:

      Christianity is a polytheistic religion. One day they worship the Father. The next day its the Holy Spirit. Next its the Son. They say its all one God, but they follow Trinity, they look at them each differently. So christians are really polytheists and pagans!

      True worshipers of God think of God one “unitive” way. There is no confusion! There is no idolatry or calling God a man!

  35. Anonymous says:

    “Introduce same sex marriage… by the back door” – I see what you did there LOL!

  36. phili says:

    But yet they do nothing about their brothers in arms buggering little boys, hypocrites ,stay out of the 21st century, you no longer belong here.

  37. Anonymous says:

    While most of the rest of us move forward through time and space, it’s good to take stock of the dinosaur-thinking population at regular intervals. With this latest roll call, the CMA have provided a helpful quantification of their lobby numbers at just 1145. Assuming those are all voters, the CMA lobby now represents just 5.4% of electorate, and only 1.7% of the actual resident population. ESO should note that number so that Cabinet and MLAs can recalibrate as necessary.

  38. Old owl says:

    Christianity does not have a monopoly on marriage nor morality for that matter yet these religious groups consistently insist on imposing their beliefs on other people who do not subscribe to theirs. As a Caymanian, I do not want to live in a country where decisions are made for me by people who take the bible literally. I really wish these ministers would humble themselves. It’s one thing to offer guidance and counselling based on whatever their biblical interpretation is, it’s a whole other thing to attempt to manipulate the law knowing that THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.

    • Anonymous says:

      Agreed, you know who else takes the bible literally? ISIS. They take their bible, sorry Koran, VERY LITERALLY.

    • Same Here says:

      Thank you! The same thing should be said to the LGBT gay crowd. They can privately do their own thing, but seeking government legislation to place on everyone! As a Caymanian, on behalf of my entire family, I disgusted at these groups trying to speak for everyone!

      CNS: You are arguing that oranges are apples. The CMA is trying to dictate what other people can and cannot do. The “LGBT gay crowd”, as you put it, is asking that they have the same rights as everyone else; they are not trying to make everyone gay. The equivalence here is the people who want a no-fault divorce and same-sex couples, who are all being dictated to by people who should have no input into their private lives.

  39. Anonymous says:

    Why do people even get married anymore?? It’s outdated religious nonsense.

  40. Anonymous says:

    None of their damn business quite frankly.

  41. Anonymous says:

    So the CMA thinks that by continuing to make it difficult for couples to exit from a loveless union is the way to go?????
    Why does the CMA think that someone MUST be to blame to a divorce????

    • Anonymous says:

      Because pointing the finger of blame and doing nothing is the norm here.

    • Anonymous says:

      Often all kind of lies are made up for people to exit marriages. Has anyone of the CMA been divorced? Or do they know the suffering that can go on in an abusive marriage? What is their basis for assigning blame to create an exit path?

      • Anonymous says:

        I doubt any member of the CMA has been divorced because their wives are just as brainwashed as they are and believe a dutiful wife takes whatever the husband gives her as is his right. I wonder how many of the CMA members wives wish they could divorce their husbands but sit quietly holding their tongue and taking their licks.

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