Five robbed by armed men outside bar

| 12/10/2017 | 130 Comments

(CNS): Five people who were sitting outside Salty’s bar in Grand Harbour, George Town, just after it closed early this morning were robbed by three men, two of whom were said to have been armed with handguns that may have been fired. The outdoor bar stick-up happened around 1:00am Thursday, police said, when three hooded, tall, dark-skinned men of thin but muscular build approached and proceeded to rob the bar customers before escaping on foot, heading east with an undisclosed quantity of cash and personal belongings. During the robbery one of the victims received a head injury and police have not yet confirmed if this was because he was shot or hit by the robber. 

The victim was taken to the Cayman Islands Hospital and treated for non-life-threatening injuries and released but it is not clear how that injury was sustained.

In the first release issued to the press by the police on Thursday morning about the robbery, a spokesperson stated that no shots were fired in the incident. However, as the investigation progressed, police said it remained unclear whether or not any shots were fired after all during the commission of the crime. Police stated that it was possible that the injured man may have been being struck from behind or wounded from a gunshot. A second victim revealed later that he had also been injured.

Officers investigating the robbery are viewing CCTV footage and reviewing witness statements as part of the investigation and they are now working on the basis that shots may have been fired.

Anyone with information is asked to call George Town Police Station at 949-4222.  Anonymous tips can be provided to the RCIPS  Confidential Tip Line at 949-7777, the Miami-based call centre of Crime Stoppers at 800-8477(TIPS) or online here.

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  1. junior says:

    its out of control simple. it has been for some time now. police just hoping nothing happens and they seem to be doing a good job. things like this expose what they are really doing in regards to organized crimes.

    nothing




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  2. Anonymous says:

    Many want guns to protect themselves and families. But let me ask few questions.
    Who would want to be on this island during an “adjustment” period after carrying a gun is legalized? It would take years, if not a decade for people to get used to gun-carrying culture when “trigger-happy” (ready to react violently, especially by shooting, on the slightest provocation) excitement subsides?
    Who would you trust licensing? Who would certify that you completed “gun-user” courses to acceptable standards? Since everybody knows everybody here, all of them, who knows everybody, would get licensed in no time. No training necessary.




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    • Anonymous says:

      You phase regulation out, starting very strict. Nobody gets licensed under the age of 25 to start with. Nobody with a history of illegal violence gets a license. Must pass a mental profile examination. Must complete a gun safety course and range time minimum. Plenty of experienced gun owners here who will volunteer to help.
      Czech Republic just passed an amendment giving the right of their citizens to own and bare arms.
      Give John Q home owner a gun and we’ll see how many home invasions there are while John Q and his family are home in bed. It will end.




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      • Diogenes says:

        That explains why there are no break ins and home invasions in the US, oh wait.

        If the criminals expect resistance its not like they’re going to stop committing crimes, they are going to get better equipped and smarter. People built banks to keep money safe, banks are built to prevent people from stealing money by providing resistance in the form of locks, cameras, guards and whatnot (in the conventional physical way). Does that mean that criminals don’t rob banks because they could possibly face resistance? No people still rob banks and when they do they tend to plan it out ( or they just run in blind and try their luck) and they tend to go in well equipped. The point I am trying to make is that people are going to commit crime either way and adding civilian firearms for self defense isn’t going to do anything but make the situations more volatile.




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        • Anonymous says:

          There are 350 million people in the U.S. of course there are going to be home invasions and bank robberies. There would be more if not for good guys with guns. You are saying that guns don’t deter crime. It’s simply not true. As I’ve previously stated, the number of guns in circulation in the U.S. has risen 56% since 1993 while gun deaths have dropped 49% during the same period. If your theory is true, how do you explain the stats?

          Look, this is basic, criminals are criminals and good people are good people. Guns are tools for both. Right now only criminals get to use the tools.




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      • Anonymous says:

        at 6:43 pm
        What if John Q sits on a potty, his gun is safely locked for he has small children, knock on the front door, criminals force themselves in, what John is going to do to protect his family?
        Scenario#2 In a country where everybody knows everybody someone just learned that John Q just got a license to carry a gun and exactly what kind of gun(s). The news spreads instantly and now John’s house is a target for criminals to get his guns.
        The US has demonstrated time and again what happens when people bear arms.
        But there is more.
        If you examine carefully, what life style the latest mass shooters in the USA led months or even years prior to “snapping”? All of them, without exception, have altered their brains (a scientific fact if you bother to research) by 12-16 hours exposure to blue spectrum of light from electronics and artificial lightning. Blue softens the retina and frontal lobes. The frontal lobes are involved in judgement, impulse control, and social and sexual behavior. Choices are made based upon our dopamine levels in our brain. Poor choices are all tied to a problem with dopamine signaling. What depletes dopamine in our brains? Blue spectrum of light. What restores or replenishes dopamine levels in our brains? AM sunlight, before UVA appears in sun light frequencies.
        Steven Paddock described himself as being, at one point, the “biggest video poker player in the world.” Do you know what the research says about video gambling and dopamine. Of course not.
        “How do I know that?” Paddock asked rhetorically. “Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did.”
        At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, “I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year.”
        “I’ll gamble all night,” he said. “I sleep during the day.”
        Asked if he ever visited the hotel pool, Paddock replied, “I do not do SUN.”




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  3. Anonymous says:

    It is so sad to read about the ever increasing gun crime in Cayman. By the way, not all firearms produce shell casing folks. As for RCIPS, they are doing their very best, believe me, in trying to combat these criminals. It’s not such an easy task as one might think. They cannot be in every corner of this island. People want them to patrol the beaches because of the tourist thievery going on there, you want them doing spot checks on vehicles in different areas, catching the drunk drivers in Rum Point and in each and every bar on SMB. There’s no traffic department anymore as it’s been centralised and you want them to catch speed merchants who think they are F1 drivers. It’s impossible people to be everywhere. There may be 400 personnel as you think but they work in shifts and are spread out in different departments. You havent got 400 officers on patrol each day. There is another recruitment drive at present, so hopefully, all you young Caymanians will apply. A Police Officer is an excellent career with prospects to climb the ladder. I was proud to wear that RCIPS uniform and to serve the people of Cayman. Comm. Byrne is an excellent leader and very experienced in his field of work. I wish I was young enough to work as an officer again under his leadership as I would go back tomorrow. While we are on the subject of Police, I had the pleasure of observing a young Officer doing a pretty good job on the harbour in Georgetown on traffic control. He was really helpful with the tourists off the ships. Pleasant and courteous. If he reads this he’ll remember how I commended him on his work. Well done! So come on you young Caymanians, apply to join RCIPS and help get rid of the scum and get Cayman back to the jewel in the crown once again.




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    • Chris Johnson says:

      I have seen and know the officer at the landing. He is doing an excellent job. Helps the tourists and tries to control unruly taxis and buses that park all over with complete disregard to traffic and pedestrians alike.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Don’t disagree that they can’t be everywhere, but there are enough of them to do each of the things you mention on a regular basis and more. The new chief is fine but the street officers are woeful. The few I have talked to were nearly incomprehensible.




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  4. Diogenes says:

    Any new information on the investigation?




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  5. Anonymous says:

    Even if the Police didn’t believe that shots had been fired, at the very least the Police should have believed the victim and the area secured as a crime scene and a search made for any shell casings left behind, but no, the entire area was power washed early the next morning , presumably so the school children wouldn’t see the victim” s blood on the ground . Folks ! it was a gun shot to the head. I know because I know the victim He was in the U.S Navy. Wouldn’t he know what a gun shot sounds like ?? Even the nurse at the hospital dressing the wound said it is very obvious it was a shot as she could clearly see the “track” of the bullet. This Police Force needs to step up their game and be more thorough with their investigations.




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  6. Anonymous says:

    the perps were not european, american, canadian or asian……




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    • Anonymous says:

      Signed- The saddest man in the world, Donald Trump.




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      • Anonymous says:

        Says the man that must love the idea of unfettered and unregulated mass immigration into the Cayman Islands.




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    • Anonymous says:

      They musta been aliens…lol or you discriminating black, description didn’t say “black”. Do continue your pointless rant though…




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  7. ABC says:

    Dart should purchase Grand Harbour. End of story. Thank you Dart for stepping in to make Cayman Great Again.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Please stop using that ridiculous phrase.
      Also, your daddy-d can’t keep propping up your happiness with his checkbook forever. It just doesn’t work. Ask the Trump kids.




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      • Anonymous says:

        Without Dart, Cayman would be like any other democratic inner city hell hole like Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago. You cant trust a certain culture to enforce the laws on their criminals. In fact, that certain culture is trying to do exactly the opposite by blaming the police for all their problems in the US.




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  8. Anonymous says:

    No where in Cayman seems to be safe anymore!!!! Cops get your F’ing act together and do something about these crimes!!!!

    If our local cops can’t solve these crimes, I say we import help from our mother country.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Cops can’t be everywhere or know when a crime is going to go down I think the community needs to step up and turn in the low life’s that are committing these crimes . Stop covering up for your child , boyfriend or family member who doesn’t work, but comes home carrying money , jewelry etc.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Uhhh, oh never mind.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Probably better than importing them from our Baby Daddy country.




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  9. Anonymous says:

    Please people, these 3 upstanding gents used their stolen cash to invest in pork jerk and know they are selling it across from the wind-jammer plaza on walkers road(along with other herbs) so all the children can hear them jam thier music disrupting all the nearby residential areas and so passing kids can get a wiff of other herbs they are selling in the corner where there are 5-10 gentleman playing “jamiacan dominoes” near the shipping containers.

    SMH -used to be such a nice area and property values WERE on the rise. Now we have squatters near the shipping containers selling drugs and drinking to all hours of the night. Where are the Police? If things dont stop, I am selling my condo to the lowest drug dealers because that what appears is all that is becoming left of on this island.




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    • Whisky Bravo says:

      Be quiet with your racial slurs, you’re acting like there is some perfect race of people out there. Tell us more about where you’re from?




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      • Anonymous says:

        Setting the bar pretty low for a “perfect race” wanting only what every sane race wants which is a peaceful neighborhood. Injecting race semantics to avoid the obvious means you are still in denial, or worse that you simply want to shut down where the argument is leading becuase coackroaches like yourself tend to scurry when light and truth prevail.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Grow up. Right now!




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      • Anonymous says:

        I agree, every adolescent going on 30 to 40 and bass-jamming-hood-convict look-a-like needs to grow up.




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  10. Anonymous says:

    If shots were fired and the royal clowns in police suits didn’t believe it, then a very crucial piece of evidence in the form of a shell casing has probably been missed.




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    • Jotnar says:

      Unless it was a revolver




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    • Thinker says:

      Is this the 60% cut in gun crimes? Very effective! Just talk talk !!!!!!!! Get real they will be more than you handle, stop injecting funds into an organization that is useless. We need new kids on the block. Everyday its proven mor and more its not getting better but worse!




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  11. Anonymous says:

    And now this is the second time in less 2 years this place has been hit. Too bad a powerful/influential person wasn’t a victim in this, then maybe the RCIPS would be forced to step up their game rapidly.

    Wonder if they were home based or foreign thugs? I guess all that can be done in the meantime is install more cameras since developing robust border protection measures seems like a pipe dream.

    Cayman is like a free candy shop for these thugs. I’m at a loss as to why this little island is so difficult to lock down and our regular security and police forces offer little deterrent with only batons and tasers. Why don’t we have more properl trained undercovers here with concealed carry permits? I’m sure Dart has or had a few.




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    • Anonymous says:

      Reason being there are hiring only nannies domestics gardeners gas attendants or low skilled jobs people some of them which are of high ranks Sergeants/Inspectors . In all honesty what do you really expect ? Low morals unprofessionalism dominates. RCIPS has the lowest calibre of police in the Caribbean, can you make pearl out of pig ears? As long as these low calibre people are left to police our Island, crlme will will always on the increase and many crime will be unsolved.




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  12. Anonymous says:

    How about our legislators getting tough on illegal gun possession? It’s time for life sentences for illegal gun possession whether being used in a crime or not. Criminals are not scared of the current jail time of 7 years in most cases!!! Act now!




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  13. Anonymous says:

    Our politicians and our police continue to allow the people of the Cayman Islands to remain defenseless in the face of ever increasing violent crime. They can’t get it under control themselves but refuse to allow the innocent people of the country the right to defend themselves and their families.




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  14. Anonymous says:

    So now you are not even save when you are with a group of other people as those thugs will still come after you. Great!

    I said it so many times, it all starts out with petty offenses/crime and then it snowballs into something bigger. Residents continue to be coddled, not many laws are enforced and certainly not much responsibility assigned to individuals for actions/inaction. Just look at all the dark window tined cars, cars with missing license plates, rogue bike riders, people driving without valid license and insurance………too many people feel that they can commit offenses and crimes with absolutely no consequences to them……..no wonder criminals get more and more brazen cause we can’t even get petty crime under control




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    • Breadfruit says:

      Have you not felt the heat of the sun lately? My window tint is to keep my interior protected and cool. If I get into the car while it’s very hot my sensitive skin also acts up. After tinting it, my skin is a lot better. My tint is not for malicious purposes, so stop labelling the tint as criminal.




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      • anonymous says:

        Well, there is a legal level of tint and there is an illegal level. I understood 12.10pm to be referencing the latter. Is your own tint legal or illegal? If it is illegal you are breaking the law, regardless of your motive for having it. You do accept that, surely?




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      • Anonymous says:

        Move you sensitive skin some place cooler.




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      • Anonymous says:

        @4:26 pm
        In the Cayman Islands that won’t work . Air inside a car heated not just through the windows, but the surface. Heat can’t escape the salon unless you keep the windows open. I tried to put tint on my windows at home (purchased at NAPA). The windows were as hot as ever, releasing the heat inside.
        Also, solar tint doesn’t have to be dark.




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    • Concerned says:

      We need a tough Police Force sadly it was tough in the 70’s 80s 90s as there excellent police officers who had the Island at heart. CIG needs to stop injecting all this money with no good results. Is crime increasing or decreasing ? Question to the CIG




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      • Whisky Bravo says:

        They dont need “tough” police they would need one at every corner to make you people happy, and this cant happen. Stay aware of your surroundings wether you’re at camana bay or at wellys.




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  15. Anonymous says:

    It amazes me that no Official seems to talk about the rise in crime. The radio shows are mainly talking about food and island activities and advertisement. No one seems to care! Out of sight, out of mind!

    It’s all out Big Projects! and Infrastructure spend!

    Why doesn’t anyone grab the bull by the horns and go on a strong offensive against crime?




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    • Anon says:

      Maybe they think its the least or still portraying as as a crime free nation and as the Jewel of the Caribbean. When a prominent one gets hurt or a tourist with strong influences gets hurt/killed and decide to make it a world wide issue then you will see the action/reaction. Maybe they think also that all these crimes are featured only in Cayman Media, sorry no more!




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    • Anonymous says:

      Cuz they can’t handle it….cowards and mice of men.




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      • Anonymous says:

        Because it doesn’t affect them! They have never been robbed, shot or held up; period. So, they could care less…thanks Alden.




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    • anonymous says:

      It’s a culture of living in denial. That’s why consumers are getting ripped off and a bunch of other things, like banks and their outrageous “fees” (really taxes). Until the elected politicians break their silence these abuses will continue and the general public continue to suffer.




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      • Anonymous says:

        I literally feel sorry for all expats coming here to make a life; they have ALL been sold a lie!

        Signed: Native Caymanian.




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  16. Anonymous says:

    Poverty and lack of education affects mostly the poor, but it also in turn affects the middle class and then on to the aristocratic! Not being taught any trade or allowed into any entry level position, this problem will only get worst – I ask how long it will be before armed robberies start turning to killings of innocent patrons and civilians, caymanians and expats alike.

    Something has to change as their is another generation of about 50/75 kids/teens who will fall into this same lifestyle of crime. Then the bars will dry up then the restaurants which will have dire circumstances for the economy and all the expats they employ! Stop importing labor and start training and giving these young people a hope for the future!




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  17. Anonymous says:

    How is it possible to not know if gun shots were fired? This doesn’t make any sense.

    The victims would know if shots were fired. Shots make a lot of noise. Surely some of the staff would have heard as well. It’s not like we need Sherlock Holmes for this.

    If the wound on the back of the head is a gun shot graze, then you could have attempted murder which changes this whole story. What is going on here guys?




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    • Anonymous says:

      The bar was closed! There was no staff, these guys were sitting around after the place was closed.




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  18. Anonymous says:

    Paradise was sold off by Caymanians!




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  19. Anonymous says:

    Gun laws restricting law abiding citizen to posses them are really effective to keep guns out of the criminals hands. Just make more gun laws obviously!….




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    • Diogenes says:

      Yeah cause the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun right? We should just hand them out, instead of improving education or focusing on social issues lets just hand out guns, seems to be working really well for the US.




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      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t agree with this comment as the laws are there to protect the guilty. Everyone knows we can’t stop the bad guys from getting their hand on a gun and they have nothing to live for obviously. What’s going to happen is an innocent person is going to take matters in their own hands because the Police is not doing enough.

        Prospect Businesses have been seriously impacted by these Robbers which is willing to bet all the same persons, just two weeks ago Da Station was held up in broad daylight and extra precautions put in place to protect them self’s and staff.

        I urge the business owners in Prospect to hold a meeting and demand the commissioner attend along with the MLA reps so the owners can voice their concerns.




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        • Diogenes says:

          Voicing concerns to the authorities and representatives is reasonable reasonable response, handing out guns is not. Cayman has enough crazy people already, not to mention handing out guns will be creating a brand new problem in the hopes of resolving another.

          Look at what other countries have done, mandatory buy backs and intense restrictions they didn’t just come up with those laws for fun, gun ownership can become an epidemic if mismanaged. Rampant Gun ownership leads down one path, why do think that we will be any different?

          Who is going to regulate the gun market and ensure that persons are storing them safely?
          Who is going to provide the mandated gun safety and training courses? Who is going to keep the database of gun owners with their Serial numbers and markings?
          Where will guns be allowed and where will they be prohibited?
          What happens when a gun is stolen or misplace and ends up in the wrong hands say for instance a child or criminal? Who is responsible in that instance?
          Who is going to perform background checks to ensure that people who get their hands on guns are not planning on using them for self gain or violence and don’t have mental health issues (with the mental health resources in Cayman, good luck with that one)?
          If the crime is so bad that all the citizens need to have guns to protect themselves and their property then that means all the police will need guns too which will lead to more incidents and look forward to civilian shootings whenever anything gets out of hand.
          There are a thousand other unanswered questions and variables that cannot be accounted for.

          The negatives just keep going and going without even mentioning the huge easy new potential for violence and suicide, murders, assassinations, organized crime, intimidation, domestic violence and disputes, school shootings,

          Not everyone who commits gun violence is crazy or part of a gang, some persons just snap one day and end up doing the unthinkable, in a fit of rage or in split-second mistake.

          If you are someone who thinks that you are going to make a difference with a gun, I urge you to go take a look at the statistics of gun usage for self defense compared to usage in other ways, it begs the question is it worth it? No one should need a gun on Cayman to feel safe because at that point we are just an unstable paranoid mass of violence waiting to erupt

          I hate being the guy who seems paranoid and like some sort of crazy anti gun nut because guns do have their uses recreationally and for collections but gun ownership for self defense is one area where the results have been seen by all of us day after day in areas like the US yet people still think it is a good idea. Legalize pepper spray or something or demand a more present police force.

          Diogenes




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          • Dunz says:

            Compare England to America, as an example when it comes to gun crime. English police are mainly unarmed and still strike fear to most criminals.




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            • Anonymous says:

              I going to assume this is tongue in cheek.




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            • Anonymous says:

              Whatever it is you think you’re accomplishing with your gun laws, it doesn’t seem to be working.




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            • Anonymous says:

              As insane as this is going to sound folks, I would rather be shot than have acid thrown in my face!

              US vs. UK argument….essentially, where there is a will there is a way!

              Mentality is the problem world-wide.




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      • Get real! says:

        When you say it like that then yes it sounds like a random idea. But gun ownership can be more technical than just” handing out guns ”

        While we do not have the same liberty afforded to america. We could for the sake of immediate defense allow qualified persons to posses firearms .

        As an ex officer I can confirm that defense of your immediate space is as important as up and close attacks. Tasers are not always useful !

        In fact your possession of a firearm creates a fantastic deterent to would be criminals.

        This islands governance in emergency matters has always been stellar. I believe a task force responsible for rigid qualification of said firearms could be a real thing. And could be afforded by the same gun owners.

        Charge owner fees specific to firearm , ammo count and implement a strict 1 strike dismissal.

        I am very sure this will never be but please do not tell me law abiding productive people could not make this happen .

        Btw what are your thoughts on big pharama and all of these mass shootings?




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        • Diogenes says:

          Big Pharma is a complicated mess but it is part of a much larger issue which is the main issue that I advocate against. That being the way the US treats corporations and business entities almost like people, they are allowed to hand out money as a form of “free speech” it is one of the big problems in the US along of course with the political donors having the majority of the sway in elections and by having untraceable money in politics. I think that the US should look into regulating the actions of the corporations especially in regard to influencing and participating in elections.
          If you look at the numbers a vast majority of the time the candidate who raises the most money from donations and PACs tends to win the election. The system is clearly quid pro quo, the donors expect that if their candidates win they will favor their side and they expect legislative assistance in getting their agendas through easy example being the NRA in the US, they finance a lot of GOP members, hence nothing is done when a class full of 1st Graders is involved in a shooting ( honestly I’m not even american and their inaction, makes/made me both mad and ashamed)
          The mass shootings in the US could potentially be avoided or at least mitigated if they had some basic common sense gun control, federal background checks and mental health examinations necessary once every year or two years.
          Federal mandatory gun safety and training courses (Not really for the Mass shootings just more general safety for the gun-saturated US population). Limits placed and enforced on quantities of specific ammunition types and closing the online, citizen to citizen, and gun show loopholes that allow persons to avoid background checks by buying at different places.
          A complete and total ban on fully automatic weapons (though they aren’t the primary weapons used in mass shootings, they are still unnecessary and a bad idea, the federal laws on the books now are still relatively loose laws, I will never be convinced that any private citizen in any country needs a fully automatic weapon for any valid reason).
          Banning civilian owned bulletproof/ tactical vests and body armor and banning civilian purchase of armor piercing bullets and high capacity magazines.
          A Complete and total ban on bump stocks and similar devices made to allow semi-automatic weapons to emulate fully-automatic weapons.
          They aren’t really my opinions more of my policy positions and proposals. Not sure if that is what you wanted

          Also in regard to you thinking and saying that gun ownership somehow deters criminals and criminal activity it really isn’t statistically proven or shown to be true. Please look at the statistics yourself if you don’t believe me, I don’t believe guns should be banned, but at the same time most people don’t understand the risks associated with gun ownership. Sport shooting and shooting for fun at ranges and clubs is completely fine, Hunting completely fine, guns for protection against wild animals is fine but guns specifically for self defense is something I think that countries in the modern age need to move away from as quickly as possible.

          Diogenes




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        • Dunz says:

          It does not work in the US with all of their resources, so far, no citizen has stopped a school or mass shooting as far as I know.

          Also, what about revenge attacks after a person shoots a criminal.




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          • Anonymous says:

            People successfully defend themselves with guns every day.




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          • Anonymous says:

            Mass shootings are mostly always carried out by Americans themselves. Their own home-grown terrorists.

            But, it goes back to what another poster mentioned, mentality!

            Most of the time these kids conducting mass shootings, lived their lives through a screen, playing violent video games and being completely anti-social (parents don’t intervene and think this is ok).

            This is not good. When you teach your kids to stay home and NOT mingle with others, speak to others, you are looking trouble. If your kid can’t identify the difference between reality and fantasy, it gets all weird and disturbing. I.E. think of the young man who dressed up as “darth vader” from Star Wars and went into a movie theater and started firing at innocent people. Just insane!

            You can’t live your life glued to a screen, you need to relate to other human beings, to learn how to empathize with others and have compassion. There is a blatant lack of compassion for human beings today among all ages of people!

            Turn off the screens folks! Talk to each other.




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      • Anonymous says:

        The murder rate in the U.S. where guns are legal is 30% less than the Cayman Islands where guns are illegal. Don’t believe me, look at the FBI statistics and look at the RCIP crime statistics over the past 5 years. That’s right, you are more likely to get murdered in Cayman than you are in the USA. Not only that, but the number of guns circulating in the U.S. has gone up dramatically since 2012 while gun deaths have gone down dramatically. Google it and you’ll see. Explain that.
        When someone kicks your door in and they have a gun, what are you going to do other than pray you are not a helpless lamb to be slaughtered.
        You can pass a thousand gun laws and they only thing it will do is remove protection for law abiding citizens while criminals ignore them. Cayman is a perfect example.




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        • Anonymous says:

          I have looked at the statistics and your conclusions are misleading and vague to say the least. One would hope that you are smart enough to realize an apples to apples comparison of the US murder rate to Cayman’s Murder rate would be inaccurate at best and considering our population isn’t even 100 thousand yet (because the standard measurement is normally deaths/100k persons) you would have to be making some assumptions.

          Now assuming you are smart enough to make accurate statistical assumptions and to adjust for the drastic population size difference (unless you used numbers for a population closer to Cayman’s size, which funnily enough you didn’t specify) then we could begin to have a conversation on just how the rates compare.

          Your little fear-mongering “arms yourselves now before it’s too late” act is really cute but the final thing you are forgetting is that this is Cayman.

          According to the 2015 and 2016 Crime and Traffic Statistics, in 2015 there were 3 murders in 2016 there were 2 total. If we are going to start arming ourselves to avoid the handful of murders over the past 5 years then I have an even better idea why don’t we start saving lives in Cayman by prohibiting alcohol period. That would cut the number of incidents on the islands down by huge amounts and it would save lives. For instance in 2015 there were 159 reported DUIs and 12 fatal accidents (accidents not deaths related to vehicles and the fatal accidents not necessarily involving alcohol) in 2016 there were 178 DUIs and 6 fatal accidents (accidents not deaths related to vehicles and the fatal accidents not necessarily involving alcohol), of course not all of the fatal accidents involved alcohol but surely it would make a difference. If we are just looking at the numbers one could say that alcohol is more dangerous than guns if not just for the deaths think of all the fights and disputes that are related to or linked to alcoholic consumption.

          With statistics it all depends on what story you are trying to sell is all I’m saying and clearly, you are pushing a pro gun, fear for your lives and families type picture. Next time let the numbers tell their own story




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            Oh this is rich, rather than disputing my claim with numbers of your own, you just dismiss my statistics as “vague” or lacking. Where are your numbers? Murder rates are what they are. You are correct that the U.S. murder rate measures in deaths per 100K people. It’s not difficult math to calculate that Cayman represents about 60% of the end figure using the 100K number. Go ahead a look for yourself if you don’t believe it and do post your numbers that contradict mine.
            And I’ll tell you something else. You’ll be hard pressed to find a city in the United States that isn’t an urban drug infested wasteland of 60K or under with a murder rate that matches Cayman. Small cities across the U.S. of that size (small town) do not have high homicides rates particularly when they are affluent communities such as you find in Cayman. There is a culture problem that needs to be addressed as well.
            The point is, there are far more good and decent people living here in Cayman than there are thugs and criminals, shouldn’t they have the right to properly defend themselves? Right now the predators have open season on the good and decent folks.
            Fear mongering? I’m not afraid of law abiding folks with guns. Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror.




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    Time and time again the criminals are getting away. It leaves to ponder, what is going on behind the scenes with the police.

    Times are getting harder. Technology is helping criminals perfect their crime. It seems as if the police department needs a major overhaul starting from the top. It may mean to bring in professionals who are fresh to the local scene to flush out those criminals and put them behind bars.

    We have to address this urgently as it is ruining the country and taking a heavy toll on businesses. These criminals are getting more comfortable day after day, as they play a cat and mouse game with the police.

    The change in management structure in the Police is not an option. It’s a must. They are not getting any firm pressure from the public or elected officials so it’s just another day in paradise.




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    • Diogenes says:

      Good luck with getting Caymanians to accept that, more expats. Are we talking about the same Cayman, because the people here detest having foreign nationals come to these islands. Most of them blame the crime on the expats in the first place. Not to mention the conspiracy theorists who will say it is an expat takeover in the police force.

      I personally do believe that we need experienced members from elsewhere to train or assist with law enforcement here but not everyone uses a rational thought process to decide what is or is not good. It is mostly just the “Us v. Them”, fear the great other, nationalistic bullshit that cayman is slowly becoming famous for.




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      • Anonymous says:

        Here is a good example of expat takeover. Bad expat takeover is what i am saying. 6 months ago a Jamaican cop stops a Jamaica driver. The Jamaican driver had no insurance or licence and the auto he waa driving had not been registered or inspexted for the past 4 years. And the driver was drunk. Guess what the driver was given a handshake welcome buddy instead of a ticket or fine. Thats bad expat takeover




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    • P&L says:

      We could start by asking for more thorough police records… some countries require a full historical report for immigration purposes… we only ask for six months from basically anywhere you set foot for a day… this won’t account for homegrown problems but it would at least secure the front gate a bit better!




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    • Anonymous says:

      business as usual




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    • Anonymous says:

      Need a local Commissioner of Police : Dennis Brady, Charles Clifford and Philip Ebanks all ex senior rank officers would straighten them out . Last local Commissioner was a complete failure. These exes are very knowledgeable especially Dennis Brady.




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  21. Anonymous says:

    The ghetto MLA’s will say it’s because they’re unemployed and too many work permits.




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    Psalm 23




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  23. Anonymous says:

    They only robing with guns because they can’t find a job, and the employers only want to spend money on work permit.
    Sometimes that story gets old.
    Then in court you hear how good the little criminals are and the one that seem to make the Judge cry is the “baby mama” about to have another little criminal [child], and how he plan to change his life soon as he can get off this case. Even though it’s the 5th or 100th time he been in court for one thing or the other.
    Yes, they will come across the wrong one very soon.
    There are unemployed persons. And the fact is that we have to stop thinking that they are employable. Treat armed criminals like dangerous criminals.
    This human rights foolishness needs to stop. Non criminal citizens need to have their human rights protected as well. Not just the criminals.




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    • Diogenes says:

      People tend to not appreciate what they have until it’s gone or until it affects them, maybe not yet but one day you might be very thankful for the rights afforded to accused criminals and convicted criminals by our justice system.

      Please do tell, exactly what are the human rights that aren’t given to “non criminal citizens”? I really want to hear this one.




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    • Anonymous says:

      I was unemployed for 2 1/2 years and never went out and robbed for food. Instead I got up every day and worked 2 low paying jobs and when I wasn’t working I was pounding the pavement looking for a job in my career field.




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  24. RICK says:

    I guess expats seeking PR Will be blamed for this




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    • Diogenes says:

      Haven’t you figured it out yet, expats are our scapegoats, very similar to what a certain world leader said about a certain group of people ( and others) prior to the outbreak of World War II. Very interesting watching the same basic principles be used again by different groups almost a century later, humans really haven’t changed much as a species.




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  25. Anonymous says:

    Which Honourable Minister is in-charge of the police?




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  26. Anonymous says:

    The premier’s 60% cut in gun smuggling.




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  27. Suspected Caymanian says:

    These are sad times in Cayman and sadly it aint going to get any better . As for the jackasses talking population increase we need to deport them first .We do not need anymore criminals from overseas to add to this trerrible situation we now face on these dangerous streets. Reduce our population now before this really gets out of control!




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    • Steve says:

      There is plenty criminal caymanians




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      • Dunz says:

        Also, the highest financial thefts are almost always Caymanian




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        • Anonymous says:

          How is Canover Caymanian?




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        • Anonymous says:

          9:30 am could check the number of expats who have cleaned out and cleaned up money and fled or were caught and processed through the courts. Caymanians yes but I read about citizens from US, Canada, Jamaica, UK, Africa, and the list goes on and on. Some were partners in firms, others were managers, and they sure made a clean sweep. Any thief, whether local or imported should be dealt with fairly, but the expats can steal and abscond and it’s all covered up.
          I would like to see a FAIR for one and all.




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        Your grammar is criminal, Steve.




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      Population cleansing for rich and poor coming.




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    PPM’s Cayman.




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    • Anonymous says:

      That sounds like you really thought it out. Share with us your thought process please.




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      • Anonymous says:

        Free for all for whole categories of work permits, with no advertising of entry level positions.
        No limitations on dependents from overseas coming and living, and ongoing mass importation of poverty.
        Collapsed education system for all but the most able.
        No enforcement of pretty much any law designed to keep the community safe.
        Minimum wage jobs having no expectation of advancing beyond minimum wage, ever.
        Abuse and disdain towards expatriate who can and are willing to help.

        That’s what I see.




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        • Anonymous says:

          5:44am I am not refuting your comment on disdain for expats, but I can assure you their are expats who have shown bias against Caymanians, while others have joined forces with us working and assisting in all areas. They sure are appreciated.




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  29. Anonymous says:

    It is expensive as hell to live here, crime is causing me to not trust going out after sunset, and the police are useless. Didn’t think I would ever leave Cayman, but the time is drawing near.

    As the Government fumble to deal with anything, the very goose that laid the golden egg is being plucked.

    I love my island, but my piece of mind and sanity I love a lot more.




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      where are you doing to go?




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        Moon…as if man has EVER.




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      • Anonymous says:

        Why. You want to join? There’s options… many Caymanians have dual citizenship just like many of the expats. A recent article discussed the fact that the government doesn’t even have stats on how many Caymanian families have left Cayman to settle elsewhere… there are PLENTY of us already overseas… and many more planning… don’t get it twisted… even with our love of country we can see Cayman is becoming less and less desirable a place to count on for the long term… so we explore our options and sometimes we go ahead and take them… and we look back fondly on our home country with memories of what it once was… we know we will return one day to whatever Cayman has become by then… but for now… maybe we want to live somewhere not as… uhm… let’s play mad libs… you fill in the blank.




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        UK welcome back home




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      You dontt want to leave cayman but have saved enough money now so its time to leave. Good riddance and dont come back when you have used up all your money that you came here for in the first place




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  30. Anonymous says:

    A victim claims on the record to have been shot in the head -albeit grazed, was found bleeding by the police, and has been treated at hospital, and yet the police are unclear as to whether shots were fired? How hard is it guys? Please tell me I am dreaming this!




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  31. Anonymous says:

    Trivia night may experience somewhat slow attendance next week. Hopefully the cctv can illuminate the scum robbers. Armed holdup of bar patrons most likely now the new targeted easy money grab for these gangstas.




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  32. Anonymous says:

    sad…these mongrels from town need to grow up




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  33. Uncle John says:

    They soon buckup on the wrong one, live by the gun you die by the gun




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  34. Anonymous says:

    Well there you go, with all this gun control we have and we are just as bad a our neighbors to the north




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      Yes, because we have mass shootings all the time




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      • Anonymous says:

        Cayman has less than 60K people. The U.S. has over 350 million. The odds of having a loose nut are 6000 X greater in the U.S. and still the murder rate is higher in Cayman over the past 5 years.




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      Cayman is worse by 30% over the past 5 years. And if you look at any small town in the U.S. under 60K Cayman is probably 2 or 3 times worse. Gun laws seem to be working great here.




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    Star students I am sure.




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  36. Anonymous says:

    Government better do something big about Crime here, otherwise this place will become likes our neighbor countries. need to treat criminals like what they are CRIMiNALS.




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  37. Stop The Crime says:

    Paradise LOST!




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