CIG warned of legal action over cruise port

| 19/11/2015 | 118 Comments
Cayman News Service

Cruise ships and tenders in the George Town harbour, Grand Cayman

(CNS): Ahead of a likely application for judicial review, a group calling themselves “Concerned Caymanians” has written to government through a lawyer seeking clarification on the point at which government agrees it has taken action to move forward with the cruise berthing facility. A similar case regarding the West Bay Road was rejected because of technical arguments about when exactly government had made a decision to move ahead with its deal with Dart Realty (Cayman). The letter is therefore seeking certainty on timelines before a legal challenge is mounted to the decision to press ahead, regardless of the environmental threats and economic doubts.

The letter, dated 13 November, indicates that the group believes the decision was made when government issued a formal press release on 30 October stating that Cabinet had approved the Outline Business Case on the cruise berthing facility and it would progress to the next step.

Chris Narborough, from Cayman Law, who wrote the letter to government and copied to a number of other organisations and activists who are all opposed to the current proposed development, said on the group’s behalf that the announcement implied that government had rejected the ‘do nothing’ or enhanced tendering options.

“For the avoidance of doubt we assert that a final decision has been made as the government has now approved the construction of piers,” the group stated in the letter. They go on to say that the press release was a clear public communication of the decision approving the construction of the piers, even if “there may be subsequent hurdles to overcome”. Their position is that such a decision is of sufficient gravity that the time for legal action is now.

Asking for clarification on that position, which would head off any potential technical rejection either now or in future, as was the case over the West Bay Road challenge, the group outlined the position it will take regarding the legal challenge.

The group stated that government had made a decision to proceed in the face of conflicting evidence over the environmental impact, that the decision was taken in the absence of a detailed public explanation to justify the move or was sufficiently open and transparent, that there has been a predetermination to press on with the project regardless of the evidence, and that the proposed development is not in the public interest.

Pointing out that the action, if it proceeds, could be supported by the Save Cayman campaign, CITA, the Chamber of Commerce, the National Trust and the Central Caribbean Marine Institute, the letter calls on government to answer a number of questions and define the moment of decision.

Asking government to reverse the decision to proceed and look at alternative means, the letter outlines a number of concerns that the activists say are supported by many people. The letter also raises questions about the cost of the project and the potential financial burden on the country, as well as queries about how the project lines up with the Public Management and Finance Law and possible conflicts of interest regarding officials involved.

Concerned Citizens letter re Cruise berthing proposal, 13 November 2015

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Reading through the Compass it is interesting to hear that the Chamber of Commerce has distanced itself from the legal challenge. The group of concerned citizens tried to make it sound like the groups mentioned were involved. Clearly they are not.

    • Anonymous says:

      If you read the letter, it says, “There may be a great many parties interested in a Judicial Review process for the Cruise Pier Development”

    • Anonymous says:

      Although members of these groups (like myself) may have been surprised, some of us don’t feel the need to ‘distance’ ourselves. It is totally within their right to do. Further, they did not “try” to deceive people. It’s a part of the process to list other possible interested parties. There’s no requirement for them to be consulted, only that a copy of the letter before action be forward to them for their information. The procedure is available online if you care to read.

  2. Anonymous says:

    I asked several cruise ship companies they said they didn’t want anything but the true and tested concrete dock they built everywhere else. I agree with you it would be faster and cheaper. But they said no to new tech.

    • Anonymous says:

      And who are you that you have such the inside source, Mr. Anonymous? Figures…Everyone is a know it all when it comes to the cruise dock

    • Anonymous says:

      Well if you know the heads of all these cruise ship companies so well perhaps you could ask them to commit their comments to writing so that any of your post can be considered credible. But you don’t, and you can’t. Next please?!

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t know them personally , I was asking a question if they thought that floating piers or that the sky bubble could be used. They said they needed to use the traditional pier that they have built all over world. I’m sure anyone would agree that the other methods offered would be cheaper. But they would rather spend more money on proven technology that has been used for hundreds of years.
        Any business man would go for what was best, including yourself. Something that people didn’t realize from contacting CNN news coverage is the world now knows us a little better. We are being monitored by the good guys from a long time. But now the bad guys are watching us too. Lets understand that if you can move 20,000 people in one hour , dude you got my attention. We are part of Homeland security. Where ever Americans travel security has been approved by the state dept and other agencies. So no that could cause a problem for the sky bubble . It’s not safe from Terrorism.
        The floating dock, Ha ,save-bots want the ships to be so far from shore I don’t know how long the ropes would extend back to the land in one illustration. You can’t tie to the floating dock. You will probably need to drive on the pier, so many problems . The tenders are definitely a no for the large ships. There is nothing they can do to fix the situation with that many guests.
        The best design is the one we have now.

        • Anonymous says:

          You ask the captain of the company or the captain of the ships? Unless any of this said and documented in an official capacity by the authorised person it means nada my friend.

  3. Anonymous says:

    There are many born and bred Caymanians (I am not one) who would love a say in the direction of their own country. I would suggest that their elected politicians actually engage them before signing contracts presumptuously. Alden, are you listening? Stop thugging your people over.

  4. Anonymous says:

    I don’t know what model of floating pier was suggested for Cayman but it strikes me that SeaWalk retractable floating docks could be the perfect solution:

    They can extend to more than 850 feet, 13 feet wide, solid enough to withstand small vehicles for loading and offloading, and can fold in port-side to keep them safe through storms. I am sure through discussions with the manufacturers a tailor-made solution could be developed for Cayman. Installed usually in 4-6 months, way cheaper than fixed piers and minimal environmental impact. It’s receiving great feedback from passengers and cruise companies alike, and some passengers using online forums have mentioned it would be good in Cayman. The Norwegian company’s website is here:

    • Rhett says:

      Would it be like walking a tight rope even without the Sea being too rough? Doubt that it would be safe, tourist friendly….hello lawsuits.

      • Anonymous says:

        Clearly Rhett, you did not read either of the links. Very safe, very stable, very tourist friendly, very much approved of by the cruise ship companies – an 13 foot wide solid walkway with handrails is hardly like walking a tightrope. Since posting this I have been told that this is the model that was considered and that there was insufficient room to bring the piers in? Well I’d rather make room on land for a retractable pier than clear precious coral reef to accommodate a concrete one any day.

  5. Anonymous says:

    I would like someone to explain how we going to go broke building 2 piers? We don’t have money unless the cruise lines pay for it. If they pay to build they will get paid back only if and when they deliver customers to Cayman.
    The only 2 ideas that came out of save-bots was a floating dock and a fanatical sky bubble. Neither one is usable . Then the save-bots wanted Gov’t to build out further and deeper. Adding more expense to the 2 piers which they really don’t want. They did not even finish to find out if it was possible. Before their next harebrained idea was launched . In a desperation to get a lawyers letter to try to frighten poor people of their rights. We need and want a dock. It will be built and when its built you all will be proud of it. People will start believing that we are a first world country and want to come back and visit in larger numbers.

    • Anonymous says:

      Delusional… This country can’t handle being a first class country… Quit thinking we are the United States or Kingdom and realize we can be a first class country with keeping the treasures that got us here… We cannot expand this country’s footprint, so lets keep what we do have the first class you want.

      • Truthsayer says:

        You are correct, 3:03! We aren’t Aruba….. and I sure am glad! I can’t imagine living on one of those hoity-toity islands. Let’s be what we are, and not try to make a playground for high rollers! Don’t spoil it for Caymanians just to sell jewels and junk. It’s not worth it !!!

        • Anonymous says:

          I would rather the “hoity toity”and the resulting influence. I am Caymanian and welcome them. You prefer the American influence and the rap culture/trashy celebrity obsession?

        • Anonymous says:

          Much better to attract high-spending over-nighters than hordes of cheap Carnival cattle.

    • Conscious. says:

      10:15 AM, what are you who are you to decide this country’s future and as you termed it our perceivable first world status. Quite frankly while you may have ties to the merchants, this is discernible from the way you speak; In any financing arrangement that your government makes with the cruise ship as the lender, it will be at a disadvantage, either by having to give up a significant portion of the passenger fee during the construction and for a long time thereafter. so what are you gaining huh?. You are destroying your environment, you are giving up cash you can ill afford for you don’t have a sustainable economic base, you don’t have reserves to cover you in the event of another Ivan; and all for what ? 12 thousand tourists at one time in the center of George Town with narrow streets, no side walks, no bathrooms, no sitting areas, no space for ambulances to travel to the port in the event of an emergency, and do on and so on.

      Yeah you will have a first time last time visitors paradise is that what is good for us all. I think not.

      • Anonymous says:

        We ,not me have had 2 different Gov’t to accept that we need a dock . We are losing business on this island in case you were sleeping. Our Gov’t was elected by a majority of Caymanian people not foreigners who won’t even hire a Caymanian. Cruise ship business is run by many people who are Caymanians. The votes you see here is small because of people working day and night . They don’t have time to vote. They don’t have a computer.
        The fee will be gotten from the money that will come from the tenders side. They get 5.50 per person times what ever finally comes . Hopefully it will be over 2 million visitors per year. Thats 11 million per year , not including the payment that Gov’t gets now.
        We have had 8-10 ships in a day and over 20,000 people have visited in a day already . Sorry you didn’t know. Plus there is a space for ambulances to come and pick up sick people anytime the ship is in.

        • Conscience says:

          Ok bright spark, so the tenders will provide some of the money huh, well ok, but ya didn’t provide an answer to the rest, well you weakly stated something about space for ambulance. Your flimsy argument does not hold any credence ole boy.

          Two wrong government’s don’t make a project right for the country. With the first an environmental impact study was not revealed, with this mess of a government we have one and despite the documented evidence that our environment will be destroyed, you and your merchants and this mentally ma
          Adjusted government still seek to rape and pillage this country. Listen up the old people had a saying Woe betide, I give you the same, woe be unto you that destroy what “He hath founded upn the Seas”. I done with you.

  6. Anonymous says:

    What happened with those hundreds and hundreds of votes last night. Was it a Kirkbot revolution or are there no two teams of night bots?

  7. Anonymous says:

    David millerCruise statement: Tourism association’s self-inflicted harm
    Posted by David miller on 7/21/2015 12:24:32 AM

    How can anyone whois for the environment deny what has been happening in GT? Here are just some examples of marine incidents that have occurred over recent years involving groundings and/or damaged coral reef because of an absence of safe berthing facilities:
    1984 ? Rhapsody grounding off the southern end of Seven Mile Beach
    1985 ? Grounding of Hyde?s Shipping vessel on Eden Rock
    1990+ – Grounding of North Empress on coral reef offshore the port
    1990+ – Grounding of the Athenian Express on coral reef offshore the port
    1995+ – Grounding of Holland American Line cruise ship on Soto reef area
    2005+ – Multiple groundings of the Seaboard Venture on coral reef offshore the port
    2005+ – Grounding of Seaboard Sun on coral reef offshore the port
    2005+ – Grounding of bulk Cement Carrier ship in Hog Sty Bay
    2005+ – Grounding of bulk Cement Carrier ship on Eden Rock
    2008+ – Grounding of Amazonia in GT north Harbour
    2008+ – Grounding of Holland America Line cruise ship anchor incident preventing departure of vessel unable to recover anchor.
    2010+ – Grounding of the Thompson Dream cruise ship near Pageant Beach
    2013+ – Loss of entire anchoring system of Carnival Freedom in harbour which had to be salvaged and recovered from GT Harbour.
    2014 ? Massive coral reef damages suffered from the dropping and dragging of cruise ship anchoring in the south side harbour from a Carnival Cruise line vessel this year anchoring at No. 4 anchorage.
    2014 ? Grounding of Thompson Dream cruise ship in GT harbour
    These are just a few of the destruction that hits these reefs. How about the more then 700 shipwrecks around these islands?
    If concrete is going to keep anyone away from GT then it would have been closed since 1937. People have been coming from cruise ships up to 8 ships in a day. No one I repeat no one has ever stop coming to Grand Cayman because of it .
    Again WHERE would this group suggest that a cruise facility think it should go??????

    • Anonymous says:

      Good point 8.37, and precisely why cruise ships should not come here at all, see how destructive they are? If you were a mariner you would know that a “safe berth” would not have helped here, ships run aground due to navigation errors, incorrect tide readings, excessive currents, bad piloting and so on. So thanks for pointing that out.

      • Anonymous says:

        You do remember that 1984 Rhapsody ran aground from them losing anchorage on the bottom? They then reanchored themselves and ran aground off 7 mile beach. Where they dredged to take them off? That wouldn’t have happened if they were tied to a dock. Remember now?

  8. Anonymous says:

    CNS readers. I am currently in the UK so while Cayman was sleeping I was reading. And then Cayman woke. And then I noticed how the pro-port votes were literally increasing by the dozens in a matters of mins as I refreshed my page. So I sat here and watched, and sure enough those lil Kirkbots are there refreshing and voting refreshing and voting. When Cayman was asleep the votes were well against the port, but as Cayman awoke literally 50+ votes were made on several posts over a matter of minutes. So take no notice of the voting system here on CNS until CNS get a chance to fix it so that it cannot be abused by these Kirkbots.

    Thank you.

    • Anonymous says:

      PS: I have reported this to CNS and they are aware… and watching you Kirkbotters!

    • Anonymous says:

      Check the Anon 8:22am and 8:48 am IP and see if it matches the 250 votes that showed up this am.

      • Anonymous says:

        Guilty as charged kirkbot although I didn’t realise you guys were keeping count!

        I freely confessed my sins to CNS when I reported you. I would add that whilst I post anonymously, CNS know who I am.

        • Anonymous says:

          @ 7:53pm So you are saying that CNS lies and in fact are able to identify us.Certainly if they can identify you they should be able to identify others.

          CNS: No, I know who this person is because they emailed me to tell me, not through any other means. Feel free to remove the tinfoil hat any time.

    • WayaSay says:

      It is the time zone change in the other direction. It is not so much while Cayman sleeps, as while the people hired to negative post are awake.

      This service is easily bought overseas on the internet. The people voting for Moses to put us $300,000,000.00 in debt are not even in the Cayman Islands let alone Caymanians. I would venture to say they do not even know where the Cayman Islands are on a map.

      It is all about self and winning and Moses Kirkconnell is the best in the land at that……… this time.

      If you want proof just look at what is occuring with Cayman Airways and the CYB route while he is distracting us with the Maga Dock. I have never seen so many CAL planes parked on the airport tarmac overnight in my life; notwithstanding that we have not improved service to and from other destinations that would improve stay over tourism to Grand Cayman.

      The Caymanians should not be so gullable as to allow this to happen when we have such a bad example next door in Jamaica. When Butch Stewart was finished with the Jamaica Government and Air Jamaica, the only thing he left them was $billions of dollars in debt. The only thing left of Air Jamaica today, besides the debt, is the tail of one plane in the middle of the road on the way to the airport.

      Wise up cayman, me, you, our children and our grandchildren will be paying for this Moses experiment for decades to come. Moses will fade away with his $billions, just like Butch Stewart did.

      One word to Alden, get ready for Moses to lead the PPM in the post 2017 quadrennial, reguardless if they win or not. Wayne you are the rookie and will have to wait, your money will not add up in 2 years, if Moses gets his way, and you are too diplomatic and not bold enough to stop him this time around.

      Those of you who are depending on the FCO to stop the port going ahead because the country does not have the money, are being naive…… …$300,000,000.00 is pocket change on the black market today and can be bundled overnight throught multiple shell companies and made availale to Governments around the world………it happens every day.
      When properly arranged and made available through ligitimate lending institutions, then paid out by a Government for services rendered, it comes out the other side “whiter than snow”.

      These kind of transactions are being facilitated every day in places like London snd New Jersey…………but of course, that could NEVER happen here in the Cayman Islands…….however, we have found the funding to buy a handfull of planes for a broke assed, cash hemoraging company like Cayman Airways.

      This is not about what is best for yhe country, ot is about what is best for the financers in the game. There is never going to be the oppurtunity for unexplained expenses and cost overruns in fixing the dump or finishing the schools, that there is in a fresh project like the Mega Port.

      In the case of the schools, both PPM and then UDP sucked those out already and in the case of the dump, the $millions in consultant fees to “friends” has also been paid out. Do not expect either of these projects to float to the top of the pile any time in the next two years.

      We have alreagy managed to spend millions and millions on the dock for consultants and we still only know it will “cost between $150,000,000.00 and $300,000,000.00″………that is a 100% variance.

      Ps CNS you can put this in an opinion piece if you want to although I started it as a reply to a paid voting comment.

    • Anonymous says:

      8;22 your claim don’t make sense. there are lots of voters on here that are not from Cayman, most people against the piers are from overseas, including the ones thumbing down 5 hours ahead of the Caymanians. may i ask why are you so upset with people’s opinion of wanting to see the enhancement of Cayman’s infrastructure, which will suffice for generations to come. something is not right with this picture!

      • Anonymous says:

        Might not make sense if you are trying to cloud the waters and cast doubt on the validity of my claim.

        I read the article this morning. Most votes were for comments against the port. I came back a while later, no change, no further comments or votes. I thumbed-up a comment against the port. Now on my device for some reason I can’t vote more than once without refreshing the page. In the time it took for my page to reload after thumbing up a second comment, 10-20 thumbs-down and troll votes had appeared on the previous one. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work it out. In 10 mins the thumbs-down and trolls ruled by a wide margin. I reported this to CNS. Then by complete accident I realize by refreshing I too can vote more than once. So I had a bit of fun with those kirkbots proving over and over for a fact in the process what was going on, because they just kept coming back for more. I told CNS (again) at the time. Believe me, the vast majority of those votes came from me and the IP address I was using at the time. CNS should be able to confirm this. I was sat here just hitting refresh and watching it all unfold.

        More telling of the kirkbots is the number of thumbs-down and troll votes I got within minutes of CNS publishing my post letting everyone know what was going on. I would add that whilst I post anonymously CNS know who I am.

        There is nothing wrong with this picture at all I have been and I am being completely honest. I am coming home soon. I am against the current port proposal. Just because the people put their faith behind any political party does not mean the political party’s views automatically represent the people’s. Just as with Mac this approach is completely bullish and undemocratic. Don’t even try to patronise the Cayman people by suggesting this whole port farce the “people’s opinion”. That will never be the case until decided by referendum.

        Better facilities are needed but I don’t believe this is the right solution both in environmental and economical terms, and moreover for Cayman and Caymanians for generations to come.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Anyone else notice that the only two alternatives that the person/s that hired the lawyer mention or seem to care about are either keeping the tenders as they are or making an improved tender situation?
    Only pointing out because I think it helps answer some of the questions as to where the funding is coming from.

    • Anonymous says:

      So? There is only one alternative from the pro-ports, the one that makes very few any money and destroys the reef!

  10. Anonymous says:

    Just for clarity, as a board member on one of these mentioned groups we have not had any involvement with this legal challenge or letter. Nor has the association ever discussed any such action.
    I would be willing to guess that this also holds true with any of the other so mentioned groups or associations and this is something that Cayman News Service should further inquire.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Don’t they have a road to protest?

  12. Anonymous says:

    It has been another hard night’s work in the Kirkbot plant.

  13. Anonymous says:

    A country full of negative obstructive people is the reason why the country will never progress. We are supposedly the wealthiest and most affluent country in the region and yet our port and infrastructure is some of the worst in the Caribbean. We are moving backwards because we allow these negative, against everything people to rule our lives.

    • Garfield says:

      I may be negative but I am certainly positive on a new dump before we spend millions on a new port. The dump is a ticking time bomb. Let’s get our priorities right in Cayman.

      • Anonymous says:

        I think education and skills training is equally more important.

        • Anonymous says:

          “equally more”? “is” ?

          I see your point.

          • Anonymous says:

            So if you saw my point why the need to criticize my spelling? Sorry I didn’t have a Uni education like you apparently had.

          • Anonymous says:

            Smart ar$e, “training” could be a singular noun with “education and skills” as adjectives modifying the noun. The point the writer was making was that this training was more important than the port and should be put on par in terms of priority as the dump project. Therefore the training was equally important as the dump project and more important than the port. The words at the end of the sentence “than the port project” are cleared implied. So one could make an perfectly good argument that the sentence is grammatically correct.

    • WayaSay says:

      The worst port in the Caribbean you say but have you noticed the statistics that show we are the port woth the 6th most cruise passengers in the WORLD.
      Sorry about the inconvenient truth…… but who cares anyway.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Oh, so asking Gov’t to put it out further was a ruse to try to stop the cruise facility? I hope people who thought that this group was really looking to remove this issue understand it has nothing to do with the environment. The Gov’t should counter by making a law to stop frivolous lawsuits .

    • Anonymous says:

      Different people want different things, some are satisfied with the move to deeper water, others think the whole thing is a mistake.

    • Anonymous says:

      Your definition of frivolous and others opinion may be two different thing. It is their right to challenge this in court. When we take that right away we give up our freedom. Be careful about taking away others rights as one day you may be on the other side wonder why you do not have the right to petition the courts for what you think is right.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Thank you Concerned Caymanians. It is time we forced our government to be accountable.

  16. SAM says:

    My gut feeling never fails me. It tells me that the cruise berthing facility will not be built.

  17. Anonymous says:

    The KirkBot network has been activated

  18. Anonymous says:

    why are the pro port folks scared of a referendum????

    • Anonymous says:

      A referendum would have been pure stupidity if they had used it for closing of the road that had 4000 signatures against it. Just think what that would have stopped? The day that road was opened was the best thing that happened for West Bay.

      • Anonymous says:

        10.04, your democratic credentials don’t pass muster. You don’t get to decide if it’s a waste of time. You wouldn’t be trying to force something through would you?

    • Anonymous says:

      Kirkbots do not have the right to vote.

    • Anonymous says:

      You do realise that both parties has in its plans to biuld a port. And in the last election both parties still recieved top votes by far. Personally I believe it should go to a referendum but I can see the other side too based on the election and what the politicians promised.

      • Anonymous says:

        That’s why neither will be elected next time around. Big change, soon come

        • Anonymous says:

          Oh please, it would have to be a pretty drastic change to work if any of the previous options are anything to go by.

    • Anonymous says:

      Obviously only a scared person would write a comment like this.

    • Anonymous says:

      because the majority in support are expats in the Jewelery retail industry, with a sprinkling of bought Caymanians

      • Anonymous says:

        And Dart. Don’t forget Dart. He owns the majority of shops in town. But they’re staying under the radar on this one.

      • UK Driftwood says:

        You only have to look in the new Kirk Breiltling shop not a Caymanian face in sight, the the promise of hundreds of jobs is rubbish. All the building work will be cheap labour from abroad and likewise the shop workers, although I don’t blame Kirk entirely as we all know unless the job description has manager director associate included it’s not good enough for a Caymanian…..

        • Anonymous says:

          There is actually a Caymanian in that store, my nephew, who Kirk’s has given a chance and trained him to be an amazing salesperson.

  19. Local says:

    It’s a sad day when the people of this country has to lawyer up against our elected leaders. If the schools fiasco wasn’t enough now they want to mess with our envorinment and put us in debt.

    • Anonymous says:

      You mean put us in debt again because it was the same PPM Governmen that burdened the country with its current debt which caused the UK to do what it wanted to do for a very long time, which was to control our finance. Why don’t we start a people’s initiated referendum to remove Alden /PPM government once and for ever. They are only for the expats, friends and thoses in the good old boys club which is so glaring.

      • Anonymous says:

        You have got to be kidding. UDP way more expat friendly – although that doesn’t say they are any better or worse – I’d say the two are as bad as each other but at least PPM spend on-island rather than at casinos.

        • Anonymous says:

          They’re both awful! There are so many intelligent, principled Caymanians, why don’t they run… oh wait, answered my own question there.

        • Anonymous says:

          Expat-friendly??????????? The UDP wanted the expat tax.

    • Anonymous says:

      Isn’t he washed up though?

  20. Anonymous says:

    CNS: Please report who paid the lawyer that wrote this letter.

    • Anonymous says:

      Google the po box that save cayman shows as their registered office on the bottom of the letter.

      • Save Cayman says:

        Save Cayman has nothing to do with this letter. We were mentioned just as the other associations and NGO’s that have have had concerns about the CBF.

        • Anonymous says:

          Then why does it have the Save Cayman address on it?

          • Save Cayman says:

            Where does it have it on there?

            • Anonymous says:

              It is the sunset house address, same address as save Cayman. All of these are funded by the owners of sunset house and the tenders, same guys

              • Anonymous says:

                Yes, Save Cayman was started by folks working at Sunset House. That has been known since July. What does that have to do with this letter?

          • Anonymous says:

            Perhaps you should read the letter again, slower 10:09

            • Anonymous says:

              Perhaps you should read it again and slowly yourself! The letter ONLY makes reference to other agencies or organisations they believe have or would have an interest in seeing the project halted or given more consideration. It does not infer, imply or state that it is acting on behalf of these said named agencies or organisations whose Postal address it lists. So it is nothing to do with Save Cayman or National Trust for that matter which are two of the agencies mentioned. Before you tell someone to read again, you should first read. Thank you

            • Anonymous says:

              God yes, and look at the votes. Frightening and very telling at the same time!

    • Anonymous says:

      A true national hero fighting against corporate greed?

    • Anonymous says:

      That would be a matter of attorney client privilege for now, and none of yours or CNS’ business!

    • Anonymous says:

      Does it matter? They are funding a class right of the people to be protected by administrative abuse.

  21. Anonymous says:

    There we go…good job, this will delay it until its killed off as a waste of time…

    • Anonymous says:

      and money

    • Anonymous says:

      Amazing how overnight the kirkbots came out!! There were none before 9.30 last night! Like gremlins, right? Letting gremlins in never ends well

      • Anonymous says:

        I think they are paid Chinese contractors. The timeline fits. You can hire people in China to do this stuff quite cheaply. Remember who will be providing construction services on the deal in the end.

  22. Je Suis Cayman says:

    PPM is owned by Moses and the duty free merchants of GT who will bankrupt this country with this project. The disaster with the schools was just a warm up for Alden and crew. Pray the FCO stops the madness.

    • Anonymous says:

      Moses is doing the same thing with CAL. It’s all about how he can generate additional business for his personal and extended family gain. CAL is departing out of CYB to Cuba with less than a half dozen passengers. We must demand that Moses show us CAL financials.

      • Anonymous says:

        @3:12am It is truly amazing that you are saying that CAL is flying to Cuba from the Brac with less than a half dozen passengers. Amazing because that service is scheduled to come on line on the 28th November 2015,a full 8 days in the future.Please tell us how you are able to see into the future,and at the same time please give us the winning Powerball numbers for that same date (28/Nov?15).

        • Anonymous says:

          7:42 this is how desperate these people are of stopping progress in our islands as long as they are not gaining from the development. It is typical of people here, must be the salt air. They are so confused now trying to muddy the water with Moses and our new plane and destination to Cuba, which has nothing to do with the port.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Please do take this Government to court for blatant disregard of our environment. Viable alternatives are out there.

    • SAM says:

      4:54 pm
      Also, take this Government to court for the reckless disregard for the health hazard of the Dump.

      • Anonymous says:

        I assume you will want to take all previous governments to court then being as this problem spans across them all.

  24. Anonymous says:

    LOL, the only winners here will be the lawyers.

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