Bush proposes 9 districts
Posted on Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:55 in Politics
(CNS): Despite the majority result in Wednesday’s referendum in favour of one man, one vote and single member constituencies, the premier has proposed an entirely different voting system and has announced his intention to set up a committee to examine the idea of creating eight districts on Grand Cayman, each returning two members, and retaining the status quo on Cayman Brac. Speaking on Radio Cayman on Thursday evening, McKeeva Bush announced his intention to create a bipartisan committee to examine this or other options. Such a proposal would, however, require the boundaries on Grand Cayman to be entirely redrawn.
In his unpublicised broadcast on the government radio station Bush said this proposal for returning 18 members to the legislative Assembly at the next election would address local perceptions about inequality but would not have what he believed were the “dangerous elements” of single member constituencies.
Although the referendum result delivered a clear and irrefutable message to the government about what the people want, with only ten months before the next general election the premier is proposing to completely change the boundaries established by the constitutionally formed boundaries commission.
Bush described the creation of eight double-member constituencies on Grand Cayman with as equal a number as possible of registered electors, who would have one vote each, where the top two candidates would be returned to the country's parliament.
Echoing comments made by Rolston Anglin shortly before the referendum, Bush said that there needed to be more discussion on improving the electoral system, as he announced the creation of a new group to examine the way Cayman votes.
Despite considering the referendum result a binding 'No' Bush said he was a leader that looked at all the angles of how people feel.
While I don’t believe that single member constituencies are good for the country, I want to continue to work for equality and a system that is fair," he said.
"I would propose we continue the discussions as to whether our present system should be examined without being skewed by the prism of so much politicization and whether we should consider moving toward a new system of all multimember constituencies, with eight electoral districts for Grand Cayman of roughly the same number of voters each and each electoral district returning two MLAs."
He said that Cayman Brac and Little Cayman would be left as is but the change on Gradn cayman would be in line with the principles of “equality and fairness as advocated by the One Man One Vote Committee."
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Yeah we should roll em over
Yeah we should roll em over too and not let them back into Cayman for at least a time equal to that they served! ;-)
The Constitution says two
The Constitution says two terms and a one-term break for premier right?
Well, why not for MLA s too?
4 or 5 terms? Are you
4 or 5 terms? Are you crazy?
2 terms max should be the limit.
dont worry everyone, ppm
dont worry everyone, ppm superman is here to the rescue! da da da da da.... da da da da da... da da da da da... watch him fly.... da da da da da.... oh sh%t... watchout for deh wall of expenses.... splat!
Thank MB. You fix and
Thank MB. You fix and show your critics how its done! :))
Yep, you showed them how it's
Yep, you showed them how it's really done-
1. Disagree with OMOV- tell them it's going to divide the country.
2. Tell them it's worked perfectly for 180 years- why change anything
3. tell them people did not want change and those that did not come to vote really voted NO anyway.
4. Spend $100-200,000 of their money to try to convince them
Two days later
1. Tell them your are listening to them and suggest CHANGING our 180 year old system.
2. Tell them you want to make it more fair and give everyone 2 votes now.
3. Tell them you want to DIVIDE the country up now even MORE!
That's how it's done.....tell them what they want to hear to go to polls and do what you want after they voted. That's really how it's done.
I cannot believe that on such
I cannot believe that on such a small island that the entire electorate wasn't mobilised on referendum day. Whatever your point of view, there was no excuse that should have stopped you turning out.
It just confirms what the rest of the world already knew, that you deserve everything you get because you're not capable of sorting it out when given repeated opportunities to do so.
Disagree! With very little
Disagree!
With very little notice we had 58% of the entire voting population come out in vote. This is an ago fishing.....amazing feat. This was planned for the middle of the summer when many families are away, a national holiday was given to entice people to travel or go fishing.
Let’s compare: The 2010 national turnout for federal elections in the USA had 37.8% of the registered population vote. (The last time it reached over 58% was in 1968, but it does hover around 50% for heated elections like electing Obama) May 6th, 2012 – England: In England and Wales the average level of voter turnout was around 32% May3rd, 2011- Canada: 61.4%
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16681575
This small country came out and voted. Just wait until the next national election, I'll eat my hat if we do not get 75% of voters out there.....and will be proud!
Some people are not concerned
Some people are not concerned until something happens and then wish that they had partiscipated. One oppurtunity lost, cannot be regained. Today is the accepted time. I hope the majority will speak loud enough in 2013.
Actually, if you bothered to
Actually, if you bothered to do any research at all before spitting venom at the Caymanian people you would see that regardless of the size of a country, county, town, district etc referendum turnouts are always low in comparison to election turnouts. It is a statistic that holds true throughout the planet. It is also true that referendums pushing major reforms ususally need several go-throughs before they are passed. Sorry to awaken you from your blissful ignorance
I am so sick and tired of
Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:55 you
Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:55 you said, "Please consider that your rants are always seen by outsiders who see your foolishness in the media". I am sure that you must be directing that comment to your Premier! I do not believe that there is any politician in our history to date who would need such advice more!
If this government was
If this government was transparent maybe there would be less of those things that seem to make you so "sick and tired"
We are talking about BIG figures here, and not just for short durations, but basically anyone that can vote today will either be in the twilight of their lives or dead. We the people need to have full knowledge of the details of all of these projects prior to them being obligated to, and the ability to stop them if the majority of us don't agree. I did not intend on giving carte blanche for my vote.
If OMOV was a big enough deal to have an educational campaign, and it could be changed in the future, then these other HUGE projects need to have the same or greater attention given to them, because once the deal is signed, we can not afford to change our minds and our children will pay the price for our mistakes.
Just my $0.02
Mac is claiming "victory"
Mac is claiming "victory" over the referendum but the fact still remains that the majority of those votes were "yes" so that speaks volumes about the way people really feel. Clearly the "yes" votes in West Bay shows that even those living directly amongst him are tired of his immature, disgraceful behaviour. There will be an election next year, so continue with that behaviour, we are watching and listening. You might do what you want but it won't be for a long as you want.
Victory is no one's to claim,
Victory is no one's to claim, firstly the OMOV did not pass, secondly Yes to the OMOV had the most votes for people who turned up to vote. So anyone with a grain of sense will clearly see that more people want OMOV that those who do not. The votes that were cast on 18 July 2012 confirms this. I don't care what the spin doctors or misers want to say the imperical facts are there for the world to see in black and white.
Mac is going to punish EE and
Mac is going to punish EE and NS for overwhelmingly supporting OMOV & SMC by taking away our only true democratic districts.
The big problem with this is
The big problem with this is the potential for gerrymandering - manipulating electoral boundaries to suit the incumbent party support.
Nice to see that he realizes
Nice to see that he realizes a lot of people want a change to the current system, which I agree is unfair. Two people in each district sounds a lot better to me than just one person having all the power. This actually sounds like a sensible option as the one thing I always felt is that each district should have the same amount of representation I just didn't like the idea of having one district bossHopefully people will be open to dialog on this and not just knock it because it was brought up by Bush. The PPM folks and Miller wanted equal representation for each district so they shouldn't have any issue with supporting this, if they do it will only be because of their hatred for Bush.
Not to mention it will put
Not to mention it will put there little singular rule in jeopardy....I am sure they both would hate to have to share the spotlight in their districts.....
Two heads are better then one...Unless you're the one head in charge..
It looks like Mac and the UDP
It looks like Mac and the UDP have tricked their poor gullible followers.
Those who voted 'no' or did not vote believed the UDP arguments:
1. 'Why fix it if it is not broken?' they said. One poor misguided one from a single member district was on tv saying he voted 'No' because our system has worked for generations - it is not broken, why change it.
Now Mac is proposing to change the system. - That darn wind must have changed direction overnight.
2. 'Several representatives are better than one - do you want to give up your 4 votes for one?'
Now Mac is suggesting that less representatives are better - so instead of 4 you should get 2.
3. 'This will break up the islands into 18 different sections'
Now they are suggesting to break it up into 9.
4. 'Breaking the island up will result in garrison politics'.
For those who dont know what 'garrison' means - it means a group of troops in a particular location. So now they want 9 groups of troops, headed by two commanders each fighting the other one.
5. Singapore and other countries still have the same system as ours. It works well so why should we change ours?
Now 2 days later - lets forget the Singapore argument and not follow them anymore, we are proposing to change our system because it does not work well.
So those who were misled into voting 'no' or not voting must face the fact that your 'masters'
have reversed their position after you blindly followed them!
If you feel like you were tricked or deceived just remember it was your own fault or the 'PPM's fault.
And its the tax-payers fault because it was their funds that were used to trick you...
You can expect nonsense from
You can expect nonsense from a playful kinderarden child but not from a grown-up.
THE 7000 plus 3000 MAJORITY
THE 7000 plus 3000 MAJORITY HAS SPOKEN! THE ANSWER IS "NO"
The small minority of 5000 is just but 1/3 of the electorate.
WAKE UP, YOU LOST THE REFERENDUM. NOW ITS TIME TO MOVE ON....
Mackeeva is clearly not
What hapened to if we split
What hapened to if we split the country up we will divide the pople. Was that just "talk" Mac do you have any idea what you really think?
I have read the proposal of
I have read the proposal of Mr Bush The Premier, and If I am not correct in expressing what I am thinking, then I am open to be corrected.
Ok, am I correct in saying that, the proposal is to have TWO PARISHES in each district. Meaning for instance " Bodden Town would have two defined Parashes, say East & West Parish, and then in each Parish TWO PERSONS WOULD BE ELECTED.
Am I also correct in thinking this would apply to EAST END, NORTH SIDE BODDEN TOWN AND GEORGE TOWN. Having altogether 8 Parishes, and .16 Members.
If this is the correct proposal by the Premier, I think it is a good one leaning in the direction that is hoped for by the returning yes voters. Thanks to be corrected.
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I made some comments on 13:18
I made some comments on 13:18 time, and asked to be corrected. I see there are many thumbs down, whick is Ok, but I would like someone to please explain to me in more detail and correct me if I am wrong in my thoughts on this proposal, and if I am, then please explain to me where and how I am wrong.
This is what Cayman should be about. Democratically, we can, in a very civil way, request answers from those who are more versed in this, and to explain..
After reading his proposals, it would seem that he is leaning to the side of Honoring the peoples request.
Don' be naive dear Twyla.
I would love to correct you,
I would love to correct you, but I don't know how. If you read the proposal as you claim and then wrote what you did above, then it is a reading and comprehension problem that is beyond the scope of this site.
15:23 I chose to remain
15:23 I chose to remain anonymous like yourself and for the same reasons you choose. However, I must comment to say, since you are such a bright shining star why don't you answer Ms. Twyla's question, instead of pretending to be a BRAIN CHILD and cut the crap, which seems beyond the scope of YOUR SIGHT; and of course I mean sight and not site. Smart Jack.
Thank you 15:23 for your
Thank you 15:23 for your assistance, but I was looking for a more detailed correction. After reading your comments I was disapointed in expecting a better comment since you, I assume are more learned on this, and thankfully you have no readfing or comprehension problems. What a tangled web we weave, when we ourselves we must deceive.
He do this his way and what a
He do this his way and what a BIGGER MESS we'll be in. He must've watched a movie the night before and came up with this idea - Dristrict 9 maybe hmmm? Dunno what else cause this man just makes no sense damn near to all the time when it comes to the benefit of the people/country and/or what we want.
I thought Bush said if it is
I thought Bush said if it is not broke dont fix it. He said to all his supporters that the system was not broke, but now he wants to change it. things thak make you go hmmmmm.
OMOV team lost, now its
OMOV team lost, now its UDP-DART's turn for Cayman 's furture and Economy.
Dat wat deh get!
Politicians lie through their
Politicians lie through their teeth to get elected, break their promises and then they make it almost impossible for us to get rid of them.
How can this be a democracy?
A government must at all times be sensitive to the will of the MAJORITY of its people.
I am trying to think of ONE thing that this current government has done that has had the regular, working Caymanian shouting for joy.
Help me out here, anyone?
The majority stayed home and
The majority stayed home and said NO. Get over it and let's move on with our economy. People are more interested in that.
UDP math goes like this Add
UDP math goes like this
Add person sick...plus 1
Add person in hospital...plus 1
Add dead person...plus 1
Add person who got postal ballot too late to return it...plus 1
Add undecided person...plus 1
Add "I just don't care person"...plus1
Add "I dont understand issue" ...plus 1
Add those voting NO ....add 1
Add those voting YES....subtract 1
Total...8. So the results are 1 YES and 8 NOs.....let's not change anything...(at least not until tomorrow- why?...well you know our maths might not work like that in May 2013-we got get elected again!)
Bush's worthlessness is
Bush's worthlessness is simply not going to be swept under the rug that easily any more my friend.
I stayed home....I didn't
I stayed home....I didn't vote.....I didn't say NO.....my not voting does not equal to NO.....
Looks like he is " running
He and some of his cronies
He and some of his cronies will probably get back in. The problem is getting anyone associated with the UDP, orther than JuJu Banton, back in to support him.
How is it that Cayman is so
How is it that Cayman is so quiet? Not a mutter from Ezzard and those who were spearheading this movement. Oh I see, still in shock. Poor tings, theyll get out it and again start spewing AntiDart propaganda to the crowd. And I bet you Alden whose HEART was never for this referendum in the first place, will be running on a NEW PROMISE just to get in you watch and see
HAHAHAHA, you know what's
HAHAHAHA, you know what's funny? Mac isn't keeping quiet, wanna know why? Because he's using your money to blab to everybody about how math doesn't work. The majority of VOTERS voted YES. I'm sorry someone who is incompetent that tells you any different makes that fact any less true.
Here are the facts, We had
Here are the facts,
We had members of our group that worked as a part of the election process from 6am until the final ballot was counted at minutes to 12 midnight. That is an almost 18 hour shift. We as a group need to discuss our thoughts and concur on the message. We allowed our members to get some rest, and met yesterday evening. Given the deadlines that the printed news media has we missed their deadlines for today’s printing. So I think you will have your official statement in the very near future. Please note that a few of our members have given interviews and view points in the last 48 hours in many different media formats and outlets. The only thing missing is an “official press release” and you shall have that soon.
I am sorry your expectation of a press release deadline didn’t meet ours, but given the fact that we are a group of grass roots group made up of individuals with lives and jobs I think our priorities are in the right order and the release will have come as expeditiously as possible.
Kind Regards
Kent McTaggart
Opposition is so upset. They
Opposition is so upset. They thought they could reach that magic number, but they were surprised on how they were the only ones caught up in their little world. Caymanians are smarter than that. We have an ailing economy and government needs our help not our criticisms. The UDP-DART deals must go on! Opposition, please stop attacking development, this talk about dividing Cayman, and do something for your country for a change!
Dear Mr. CD, Does "CD" stand
Dear Mr. CD,
Does "CD" stand for "Clearly Demented"? It seems apt.
How do you spell COUNTRY? UDP
How do you spell COUNTRY? UDP or BUSH ? Oh I get it DARTAINIA.
Just yesterday in the "Over
Thank you Mr. Premier. And
Thank you Mr. Premier. And Independent committee that is what we need. Not some group hijacked by politicians that have no SOLUTIONS for the economy but to attack Dart and development.
woof. I must admit that
woof. I must admit that sounds better than 18. And also I get to keep my other votes ;-)
"One flew over the Cookoo's
"One flew over the Cookoo's nest"!
Save us,We need help fast!
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