The price of fuel in the Caymans
I reside on the Brac and no, I'm not writing about the paving brouhaha. I like the smooth roads. While I don't think it right to spend our money on private properties, I shall let others discuss that. What I DON'T like is the price of gasoline! I don't keep track of gasoline prices in Grand but I do keep abreast of them here. For months it hasn't changed. It's been $5.73 CI for a l-o-o-n-ng time. I can remember last year when it would go up several cents per gallon quite frequently, and it might have gone down once or twice.... I'm not sure. Interestingly enough, I was reading an article today about the U.S. spot prices of unleaded gas. The first part of April it was $3.43 US. The first of June it had dropped to $2.66 US. That's a 14% drop in price!
The pump prices have gone down in the U.S. Since we get our gasoline from the U.S., why hasn't the price gone down here? The oil companies will tell you there's a delay in pricing because of the delay in the "pipeline"... getting it to the consumer, which sounds somewhat reasonable but isn't necessarily the whole truth. What I'd like to know is, "Who decides the price at the pump here in the Caymans?" Does the station owner set the price?... the oil company?... the broker?... the government? I know fuel will be higher here than in the states because of shipping, but $5.73 is ridiculous! Is anyone selling electric cars here?
Viewpoints
-
Annie Oakley(Read more)13
-
Sweet Pea(Read more)38
Latest Classifieds
- Work permit as Online Investor (Personal Investor)
- House for sale - Mt Pleasant WB
- \'09 Honda Fit 4sale
- New Blackberry Q10 Gold Plated and Gold Porsche Design (24 HRS BBM Chat:295941E1)
- Town - Extra Large Bedroom with XL Walk-in Closet
- ONE BEDROOM SHARING $325.00
- CINSA RElays
- Retirement plan
- Make Money Now - Easy as ever
- Stainless Steel Electric Stove & Electric Water Heater for SALE
Comment Policy
The comments posted do not necessarily reflect the views of CNS or any individual staff member. All comments are posted subject to approval by CNS. Read more
Recent Comments
- I think she just needs to
16 hours 15 min ago - Ok, privateers and then
16 hours 19 min ago - I have to say the comments
16 hours 23 min ago - This must be a joke
16 hours 28 min ago - How do you know she didn't?
16 hours 35 min ago - We love porn. That is why.
16 hours 47 min ago - You see that is how American
16 hours 49 min ago - Thank you for the comments
16 hours 51 min ago - Greed? One of the effects of
16 hours 52 min ago - Except that too would be
16 hours 53 min ago
Search




Comments
Point is that the "price" of
Point is that the "price" of a US gallon in US dollars and an imperial gallon in Cayman dollars ought to be about the same number because the gallon and the dollar in Cayman are bigger by about the same amount over the US gallon and dollar. Duties in Cayman may be higher or lower than excise taxes in different places in the US. Shipping cost is not really much of an excuse since much of the gasoline in the US travels farther from the refinery than gasoline to Cayman. Pipelines are cheaper than ships but a lot goes by barge and truck which are more expensive, and there is at least as much handling and drayage at the destination as there is in Cayman. One is left with the distinct feeling that the Cayman market participants engage in cooperative pricing to maintain a markup of 40-50%.
fuel prices
The international price for a barrel of oil is currently at it's lowest in months. Obviously, our fuel prices do not follow the world market's ups and downs.
Correction: they follow the"ups" but not the "downs".
Our artificially inflated price for fuels, including the gas station's high profit margins and McKeeva's additional fuel tax, increased the costs of all goods and services, a.k.a. the cost of living here, to unacceptable, socially destructive levels.
The dealers set the price,
I've picked up a couple of
I've picked up a couple of points while reading these comments. The first is that some contributors serially stick to the "fire, aim then point" routine. They reply emotionally wthout actually reading the letters they're responding to, or checking their facts. The other is that there are one or two pleasingly witty comments among them. Clever wit helps puts things in perspective, but the few blunderbuss responses show that much was missed.
I don't think the English sense of humour goes down too well here. The irony and satire is often missed and is taken literally, thus causing offence where none is intended.
I find all this angst about
I find all this angst about the use of the term "The Caymans" so funny. Of course it is acceptable to refer to the Caymans. That reference has been used commonly for a long long time.
I don't know why there is
I don't know why there is confusion about this but here is the conversion--CI$1.00 equals US$1.20. 1 Cayman imperial gallon equals 1.2009 US gallons. So if you want to know the US$ price of an imperial gallon in the US, multiply the US$ price by 1.2. If US gas costs US$3.65/US gal., then an imperial gallon in the US would cost US$4.38 if you could buy one. If you want to know what that means in CI$, divide the US$4.38 price by 1.2. In this case you get CI$3.61 per imperial gallon in the US.
Bottom line is if gas in the US costs US$3.65/US gal., the equivalent price in Cayman money and gallons is CI$3.61/imperial gal. If you are paying CI$5.90 in Cayman, you are paying A LOT more than what the same amount of gas costs in the US. Your duty may be only 25 cents more than US taxes depending on where in the US you compare to, and the US price includes everyone's profit in the US, so much more than CI$2.00 per gallon goes to shipping and resale profits in Cayman. Someone is making a boatload of money on this in Cayman, and one would have to ask whether those involved are cooperating to maintain prices. That is not illegal in Cayman so far as I know.
If you got the first sentence
Not the original poster but a
Not the original poster but a 0.80 exchange rate is only used for cash transactions when a tourist pays in USD for a KYD item, mid rate is 0.83333 (reciprocal is 1.2) and is a useful comparison rate to eliminate FX spread. KYD 1.00 doesn't buy you USD 1.25, try it, go into any bank and see what you get, you will get USD 1.19 in return.
Whoops, should have said
Whoops, should have said multiply by 0.8 to go US$ to CI$, which increases the already large difference.
Again, not the original
Again, not the original poster but only cash transactions attract a rate of 0.80 from USD to KYD, 0.82 for cheques and transfers, mid rate is 0.83333 and KYD to USD is 0.84, in my view the poster took the correct approach in eliminating these variables and used 1.2 (reciprocal of 0.8333).
For Comparison
Just for comparison and education from a guy that lives in the US.
I live in Montana, where the cost of living is pretty high due to the relative remote location (of course, not as remote as The Cayman Islands.)
We are currently paying $3.65 a gallon for regular unleaded gas, up to $3.95 for Premium (higher octane, I'm not sure what octane you ge there normally.) Of that, about $0.40 per gallon are fuel taxes (road improvements, etc.), so the non-taxed price is closer to $3.45US a gallon. We don't have sales tax here, so other US locales could be 10% higher, and of course, many states and local governments impose additional taxes so the price can vary widely.
My father lives in Oklahoma, which is not only closer to the refineries, but also has lower taxes, so he may pay $0.50-$0.80 a gallon less than we do here.
I think the net of the situation is just like anything else, supply and demand, and how difficult something is to acquire will define it's pricing. I'm assuming there is no direct refinery pipeline to The Cayman Islands, thus the fuel is brought by ship, which increases the costs, as well as the remote location means it not only has to go a long way, but also pass through a lot of "hands" to get there, each of which takes a cut.
I guess one advantage there is the relative small location you're dealing with. To go to the "shops" here is a 25 mile drive each way, so 50 miles round trip. Even in a high mileage vehicle, which we don't actually have, you can burn through a lot of fuel just getting basic necessities.
That being said, I'll take prices here over prices there. ;->
I hear your concerns, but
I hear your concerns, but PLEASE do not refer to our country as The Caymans. That place does not exist. Unless, of course, you also refer to places like The Virgins or The Channels.
Realllyyy?
Hmmm...? Ok. So...next time you refer to what you probably think of as "Germany", be reminded that the local form of addressing their country is "Deutschland". Officially and locally "Germany" does not exist - it is the English translation of the name. But of course a purist and stickler for correct nomenclature such as yourself would already know that, right? But then again we could not care any more what they prefer to be called than furiners give a hoot about you not liking the term "The Caymans". They know what they mean and that is good enough for them. I trust you are doing your best to correct those silly people (mostly Caymanians) who refer to both Grand Cayman and the whole country as "Cayman"! To anyone not familiar with local vernacular this must be quite confusing. Let's face it, the truth is that in foreign and local colloquial vernacular "The Caymans" and "Cayman" and the "Cayman Islands" and "Grand Cayman" are widely used, and some of those terms are interchanged but are nevertheless well understood by locals according to the context. While you are on the subject and getting picky about "correctness", I am sure you will agree that it is high time that our National Song be officially re-written to make it look like Caymanians are intelligent enough to be aware that their territory consists of three islands. "Beloved Isle Cayman" as a national song reference is pretty moronic if you ask me.
As far as I am aware, ours is the only national song that facilitates ignoring a substantial part of the land and its people. Pretty dumb, eh? No offence to Leila Ross-Shier, I am sure she meant well when she penned an ode only about her "beloved" and "beautious isle" of Cayman Brac, but adopting it a national song was a bit limited in scope in that it ignores Grand Cayman and Little Cayman. (Sorry I could not resist that one!)
Anyway, back to your original point: Actually you are technically wrong in saying that "The Caymans" does not exist. A small group of islands south of Cuba and west of Jamaica, named "Las Caimanas", can be found on many a map and nautical chart of old. Yup, this is what our land was once called, "Las Caimanas". In English "Las Caimanas" can be translated as "The Caymans".
So there you have it. PS: I draw the line at the nausea-inspiring term "Grand Cayman Islands"!
The Caymans, the Caymans, the
The Caymans, the Caymans, the Caymans, the Caymans....Fuss all you want, CayMAN is goofy native talk. Fun to listen to though.
You are wrong. The Caymans
You are wrong. The Caymans is an acceptable term. While the term "Cayman Islands" and "Sister Islands" are locally used terms, in the latter case a politically correct term, as a matter of geography the Caymans comprise Grand Caymans and the Lesser Caymans (i.e. Little Cayman and the Brac).
The Caymans is perfectly
The Caymans is perfectly acceptable grammatically speaking. It's full name is the Cayman Islands (plural) so the contraction should be "the Caymans" plural. Grand Cayman is singular though.
Sharp eyed readers may detect a pattern here- if there's more than one you put an "s" on the end. Try it for yourself: Cayman Brac or Cayman Bracs? The Cayman Island or the Cayman Islands? North Sound or North Sounds? Corrupt politician or corrupt politicians?
I am wrong? What a strong
I am wrong? What a strong asertion. Really? Please explain how you can use the term "Grand Caymans" when there is only one? The term "The Caymans" is actually a fairly recent invention by our friends in the U.S. Unfortunately it has gained a hold in too many circles and I recently even heard it used in a radio advert by a very local shipping company. The name of our little country is "The Cayman Islands" and not anything else. Yes we use the term "Cayman" to refer to the country but without "The" and no "s". For example, "So you currently live & work in Cayman?" or "Did you enjoy your vacation in The Cayman Islands?".
Who mentioned "Grand
Who mentioned "Grand Caymans"? You ARE very wrong on so many levels. Both The Cayman Islands and the Caymans can be used and indeed the term "The Caymans" has some antiquity. Many old maps and charts will refer to the Caymans, to cover Grand Cayman (without and "s" because it a singular and one island) and the two Lesser Caymans. It is exactly the same as Grand Bahama and the Bahamas and similar to Grand Turk and the Turks. So get off your high horse and accept you are wrong.
The comment by Union Jack
The comment by Union Jack mentioned Grand Caymans. I've never heard The Bahamas name used to refer to just Grand Bahama as you appear to imply. Nor have I heard The Turks used to refer to The Turks and Cacios Islands or just Grand Turk. Maybe you should ask a citizen of those countries there opinion. Then insist that they are very wrong. I will never use The Caymans to refer to my country.
We are The Cayman Islands, we
Different people use
Different people use different words for different things. Not using the exact same words to describe something that you do is not disrespect. You have no idea what respect is. You are just looking for an excuse to bash someone.
Sorry, but you are wrong...
And who exactly refers to 'em by those names? Most Caymanians?
Poppycock!
If I were an expat trying to show you "a little respect" I would have a helluva time to decide what in God's name to call things because we Caymanians are not always so damn clear on the matter ourselves. Take the Coryphaena hippurus as an example: If a visitor or expat resident goes to any number of local restaurants he will see "Mahi-Mahi" on the menu If he enters one of our fishing tournaments, the category is Mahi-Mahi. But if he talks to you he is disrespecting "your" culture if he does not call Coryphaena hippurus a "dolphin". Really now? You can't be serious. What a crock! For years and years, maps and signs referred to a popular swimming hole called "Smith's Cove"; but if a returning visitor somehow missed that the "cove" has kind of been, in some circles, officially reverted to being referred to as "Smith's Barcadare" he is showing disrespect. Realllyyy??? But wait! Didn't virtually all the the local media (CNS, The Compass, i-News, CaymanNewsOnline, etc, not to mention all the marl-road news and gossip I heard) late last year proclaim that a visitor drowned at "Smith's Cove"? Bloody hell! What do you want people to call it anyway? This may be a moot point since several of our barcadares now have boat launching ramps and so the term "barcadare" is quickly loosing out to the more widely understood term "boat ramp". Thank God! Google the term "the Caymans" (with the quotation marks) and you will find that the term is absolutely ubiquitous. Once that happens no amount of teeth gritting or resistance will alter the course of linguistic evolution. Your line of reasoning is grossly flawed. Cultures and their languages evolve and are ever changing. Including ours. Some changes are of internal origin, other changes come about through external (foreign) influence; regardless of the stimulus, change is an inevitable feature of a vibrant culture and its living language. Like it or not the term "dolphin" is taught in our very schools as a common name to refer to a marine mammal and Mahi-Mahi is the common name of the fish. Tell me, what should one "respect" in the case of Coryphaena hippurus? Educational enlightenment, or your stubborn and mindless xenophobia? Please...enlighten me lest I lead some poor expat to disrespect "your" culture by suggesting that he try the Basil Crusted Mahi-Mahi on his next night out at a very well established iconic grand old Caymanian eatery. Hmmm...? Come to think of it, maybe you should inform all those restaurant proprietors of this heinous lack of respect, eh? While you spend the day calling disrespectful restaurants, here is how I am planning on spending my free time: I have a friend who came to the Caymans to buy a condo advertised by a local "born Caymanian" broker as having a nice view of the "ocean"; he and I are going to have a swim at the Cove and afterwards we are gonna chow down on some delicious Mahi-Mahi. Bon appetit!
A barcadere is a boat
A barcadere is a boat landing, not a cove. There could be a barcadere in a cove.
Oh dear oh dear: we have got
Oh dear oh dear: we have got way off topic here and xenophobia has inevitably crept in. So I will stray even more off topic and ask our politicians, radio announcers and anyone else concerned to please pronounce Bermuda correctly: it is not "BERMOODA" as is commonly stated here, but "BERMEWDA" which is how the natives there pronounce it.
I just wanted to get this off my chest.
Nah, it is OK, I am not
Nah, it is OK, I am not looking for your "respect". I won't ever agree that something that is wrong is right to placate those who happen to live where I am working at the moment. By the way where I am working at the moment is where I am working at the moment. Home will forever be in England's green and pleasant land.
So it is "wrong" to say "the
So it is "wrong" to say "the Cayman Islands"? LOL.
So if someone permitted you to visit them in their home you would feel entitled to disrespect them there? Try that in my home and you will wish you were back in "england's green and pleasant land". Disrespect by expats lies at the root of the expat/Caymanian divide.
What a conceited statement.
What a conceited statement. This shows exactly why there are so many deep rooted problems in Cayman and at the root of so many of these the misplaced "respect" culture. Had this poster taken some time to understand what was being said, rather than rush to be rude and aggressive, then they would have realised that no-one was saying that it is wrong to say the Cayman Islands. The point that was in issue was whether it was wrong to alternatively refer to the Cayman Islands as the Caymans. Instead of taking time to understand this poster rushed to judge and ended up sounding like a fool. Or perhaps a fool fool.
Another ignorant expat post.
That will be day when you
That will be day when you "rise up", we all leave and your "country" goes down the toilet like all your Caribbean cousins?
For goodness sake
I have lost count of the number of posts here on whether these islands we live in can collectively be referred to as the Caymans.
The a recent comment being that using such a term is highly insulting and should result in all ex-pats being guillotined (or something like that). Followed by an equally insulting comment from an ex-pat.
Please calm down everyone, the original post was about GASOLINE prices. Not a common word usage. Over time words change their meaning. Remember when "gay" meant happy.
I thought I was born in England, but the post office now prefers I address letters to the UK or United Kingdom.
Rightly or wrongly, many people will refer to these islands as the Caymans. No disrespect is intended, it is simply shorter than "The Cayman Islands".
With crime on the rise, road deaths almost every day, high unemployment and a sky-high cost of living (including gas prices) don't we have more important things to fight about?
for goodness sake
I believe when Sir Francis Drake named it in 1586 Caymanas he never named it "The Caymanas". As I remember reading he was from England. Today English people remind you that when you call or speak about their country its called The United Kingdom not England. Why do they constantly correct me and feel its incorrect? I am not trying to be disrespectful. I believe that whatever you all call your country is your business, Its your right is it not?
What has happened most of the time on CNS is we are talking about one thing and someone changes the subject and gets disrespectful for no reason at all. So an Englishman named these islands and in his honour it was Caymanas then shorten to Cayman its been named that for hundreds of years . Please try to keep it that way. Thats the way we want it. We also want our way to pronounce "Cay-man-i-an".
As an instigator of this
As an instigator of this digression, I think the problem is that 80% of your visitors are from the US and they ALL (except for me) say the Caymans, just like they say the Bahamas (few have been to Bermewda). There are so many of them and so few of you that this is a lost cause. It is too easy to shorten the Cayman Islands to the Caymans. It is not an insult to do so and you can't correct them all. It's really not that big a deal.
as an instigator of this
Hmm making up numbers? "80%" People from the states repeat what they hear on ads on media. I'm in tourism forty years they usually call our island "the Cayman Islands". When those same tourist go to the UK do they call it England or "The Englands"? Do you correct them .It should be the United kingdom because of Ireland and Scotland true? You dont call Scotlands or Irelands. I noticed that if you break up the words Eng-LAND, Scot-LAND , Ire-LAND you dont put an "S" on the end of the word even tho it refers to three pieces of LANDS.You also don't call it The Englands or The Irelands or The Scotlands. Oh wait a minute that doesn't sound that bad you know . So what do you think? England better cayman better?? Respect
80% came straight out of
80% came straight out of recent articles in the news that reported the government's arrival figures.
I would rather you used the
I would rather you used the term "petrol" than "gasoline". Do it again and it is off with your head.
Way to miss the point.
Way to miss the point.
That boat sailed long ago.
That boat sailed long ago.
fuel is free here gasboy
fuel is free here gasboy
I don't believe the fuel
I don't believe the fuel comes from the USA, but South America?
They are still working"hard"
They are still working"hard" to get electric cars legalized for the road in Cayman. Expect results in say 2040.
Elec Cars Won't Solve Problems
Electric cars in Cayman won't solve any problems, CUC prices are astronomical. However, I understand the gas price issue. If I recall correctly, the gas prices here may have higher government takes, but more importantly I think it was something like a profit of 20% or so on gas itself, whereas in the US, they make a few pennies per gallon. So in reality, the profit margins on gas here are the real issue. For that matter, every business on island thinks they deserve a profit margin of 20%+, hence the real cost of living here is high. Just check out any product and compare to US, then add in shipping& duty and there is still a 20% margin. Must be nice to be in business here...hmmm maybe I will start my own!
The tax on fuel here is les
The tax on fuel here is les sthan most countries. The fact is the fuel companies have a monopoly and can charge whateve they want and it is not even illegal
I don't know where you got
I don't know where you got $2.66 per gal from. According to a news report yesterday the U.S. national average is $3.59. Some places are over $4. Big difference.
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
Also those are for U.S. gallons not imperial gallons.
If you are going to make a point at least get your facts straight.
Part of the difference is
Part of the difference is that the pumps in Cayman sell Imperial Gallons which are about 25% more than U.S. gallons.
One Imperial gallon = 1.2
One Imperial gallon = 1.2 U.S. gallons so there is actually a 20% difference. US$3.60 per gallon in the U.S. is equal to US$4.32 per Imperial Gallon. You then add the cost of shipping, the government duty of 75 cents per gallon, Texaco or Esso's profit and the profit at the gas station.
Texaco and Esso dont buy from
Texaco and Esso dont buy from retail stations. They make the stuff and their costs are much much less. They are ripping us off.
"For months it hasn't
"For months it hasn't changed. It's been $5.73 CI for a l-o-o-n-ng time".
Be thankful. In GCM it is almost $6.00 and has been there for months.
Yeah, but we don't get free
Yeah, but we don't get free gas in the Brac: only parking lots.
I understand there will be an
I understand there will be an energy problem with electric cars within the next 20 years. It takes fuel to make toenergy. my 2years. but you are right about the prices at the pump always quick to go up but very very slow to come down. FYI prices in Canada are also high approx 1.25 to 1.29 per liter x 5 in our imperial gallons and you do the math. US gallons only have 4 liters :)
and the solutions include many factors !
Fuel is still cheap in Cayman
Fuel is still cheap in Cayman - try using Europe as a comparator.
Post new comment